> be me> meet random Coptic Orthodox QT in the wild> never dated, virgin, virtually unscathed by western media/social media> I’m RC but not religious at the time but have a degree in philosophy so let’s check it out, w/e> realize her church is more cultural mixed with faith> don’t feel super welcome or at home > visit RC TLM mass. Feel more at home but not really since it’s mostly young couples with their babies > decide to end things since jumping ship to her faith seems a bit much for me as a man> remember I’ve dating maybe less traditional women than her but they’ve been more willing to submit and adopt my world views so keeping that in the back of my mind > I’m 33 and don’t think I’m going to meet another woman like this. It’s taken free Masonic digits years Bros am I going to autist and overthinking this? One side I feel like I’m massively cucking myself by converting. The other side is like I’m massively fucking myself by letting his unicorn of a woman go because I can’t let myself overcome the cultural differences. What would you do in the situation? Remember. This girl is a legit unicorn that RP bros talk about all the time and say don’t exist. I know. I’ve got a body count that I lost track of so I have a good sense on this and not just simping with rose tinted glasses right now Legit never thought I’d be in this sort of a mental crisis over a woman since I gave up on the idea of dating after my last LTR ended.
>>33742443The Church is not a social club, it is not a thing which should be taken trivially. If you are convinced in a fath, you must be convinced FULLY, with no nuances, otherwise you are getting swayed by "winds of doctrine" and may revert on it. (Ephesians 4).It's a Christian characteristic not to fold back on your beliefs and remain steadfast, regardless of denomination (1 Corinthians 15:58). If you can't accept your own beliefs, you break this, if she can't accept it, she breaks this.Otherwise i can say that belief is more important than anything material, you go to church for Jesus not people, and you adhere to what you believe out of theology, not by promises of romance.Remember also the book of Job and how he lost everything, remember Romans 14:8 which says that whether we live or die we do so for the Lord. You can lose your girl but the LORD remains, even if you have nothing and no hope of ever finding someone again, you cannot lose faith.Lastly, Catholic Church does allow marriage between Catholics and Non-Catholics, idk about Oriental churches.
>>33743568I appreciate it fellow anon.She would constantly reiterate the same theme to me as well. I tried to find the truth in her church and still am but history seems to be stacked against them in favor of the Catholic Church which also kills me since I’m unhappy with the current state of Catholicism. But regardless of it to go from a larger Christian community to a smaller, more insular one doesn’t seem to make much sense. Technically we could get dispensations to marry in one church or the other. Or at least I can but baptizing the children is the biggest problem. I’ve never had to break up with someone over faith before and it’s brutal. Usually breakups come with hard feelings you can use to distract yourself from the pain of it all.
>>33743590>She would constantly reiterate the same theme to me as well.Looks like you really struck gold there, but if this is the case i can't help you, the decision to believe in different theologies lies entirely on you, i can just say that Catholicism has a more solid theological backbone while other churches rely on mystery - hence why we get abstract concepts like the hypostatic union.It's a dead end, and your own theological choice, sorry.
>>33743633Yes. That’s why I’m having such a difficult time with this. I always hear people doing the convert for love but just doing it to go through the motions. I was thinking she was the same but no. She’s incredibly serious, steadfast, and devoted. Which I admire a lot about it it’s incredibly rare to find that in anyone. I’m hoping since she saw me struggling and eventually siding with Catholic for now maybe she will see that in me and perhaps look into it for herself and reconsider but I doubt it based on how their culture operates. That risks her being excommunicated by her family. For now I’ll keep attending both and see if one speaks to me more. FWIW the only Catholic Church I can attend is one with a reverent mass or TLM and there’s only one in my city that’s 45 minutes away. So I am considering that as far as future outlooks go. I feel more security free of change with her church for sure and there are 2 Coptic church’s within 20 minutes from where I live which is kind of crazy with all things considered. Says a lot about the current state of Catholicism
>>33742443Sorry, is the issue that you don't believe in God? or is it that you believe in another denomination?
>>33742443>this unicorn of a womanDid I overlook something? What makes a her a unicorn, the only fact I read about her is that shes a virgin and never met a guy before. Which unless shes in her early twenties is a red flag at best.Apparently you know fuck all about her besides that, from your post I completely fail to see what makes her special to you besides some mentally ill obsession on your side. > realize her church is more cultural mixed with faithYeah no shit. The Copts have been around since Antiquity, and survived as a minority in islamic countries ever since the middle ages. "Tight knit" is a massive understatement for their cultural community, which is why she also needs to convert. Her family will never tolerate her marrying outside, and even if you marry in you will never be fully accepted for the rest of your life due to not sharing literal Aeons of history. And thsi matetrs very much, because You're not just marrying her, but her entire family and community who wil from then on make up your life. I have no idea why you are so obsessed with having awkward teenage sex with a woman who doesn't know how to suck a dick, but if thats what you're after look for some early twenties chick whos behind in the curve and wants an older guy for her sexual inauguration. Seriously, being obsessed with virginity at 33 is just pathetic. Deflowering a chick is really, really not that great , more or less turning your entire life on its head is beyond a doubt not worth it.
>>33743909And to add to that, you will build your entire relationship on more or less a lie. And a pretty grievous one at that, faking belief is no joke, and I say that as a non-Christian. You'd kick it off by either forcing yourself to find faith even though its obviously not intrinsic to you, or you will straight up lie and pretend which everyone will eventually realize.Let it go. Its never going to work Internet tradcuckoldry and its consequences have been a desaster for men.
>>33743909I’m not obsessed with deflowering her stop making assumptions. I couldn’t give a fuck about the sex aspect for me it’s more important a partner have fewer partners in general just to be able to pair bond. With her I have good confidence in a last marriage and that’s only part of the reason why. But chill the fuck out about the deflowering aspect because I agree about all those points on it but sex means little to me as it does to have a partner you can place your trust into in this day and age. I just really haven’t gotten that vibe with most women I’ve met or dated. I was joking with her normally I have to ponder if I want to marry the woman not what religion I need to be in. Also agree on the points about the converting and marrying in. That’s basically been one of my main points of hesitation is that I’ll never be fully accepted or fully “Coptic” enough in their eyes and she insists that isn’t so. But there’s a massive “we need to fix you and your Western ways” vibe I get from her family with I genuinely don’t fuck with. Like why are you all here then, to continue living and brainwashing future Coptic generations with your persecution mindset cause you guys are and were too prideful throughout history. And this whole conversion thing on their end reeks of that to me. So fair points minus the virginity thing.
>>33743916TBF I don’t mind their faith at all. I love the Divine Liturgy and going to it. It’s more so the culture and their generations of persecution complex that I can’t get behind at all. The faith part isn’t the problem since to me after being at her church at the Catholic Church there’s a lot more in common than not. For me it’s the culture, their mindset, and them not actually being the OG church I give them second but that undoubtedly has to go to the Catholic Church.
>>33743930>just to be able to pair bond.Incel meme. People having hordes of sexual partners generally points to emotional problems because having constant new partners is one way to cope.But taht doesn't mean anyone who has dated a handful of other people is unable to "Pair bond". Which is a term out of biology to describe animals btw and doesn't apply to humans, as human emotions are more complex than animals mating while the season is on. Its just the usual incel garbage.>a partner you can place your trust into in this day and ageWhile I agree, the number of prior partners is a terrible indicator for that.Honeslty, to me it just looks like you're desperately looking for a way to be certain to not get emotionally hurt. There is no such way, any relationship entails taht possibility always. Which is what makes it hard, but it goes for everyone.>a lasting marriage"not divorced" is not an indicator of a good relationship lmao >>33743959Theres a huge difference between "Not minding" and actually believing it. >It’s more so the culture and their generations of persecution complex that I can’t get behind at all.Thats at the core of their (and her) identity though. Really, let it go. Look for a normal girl with a handful or other partners and you will most likely be fine. You just have to chance getting hurt again, there is no other possibility besodes incelling it up and quitting alltogether. >For me it’s the culture, their mindset, and them not actually being the OG church I give them second but that undoubtedly has to go to the Catholic Church.Literally the exact thinking motivating a ton of the people who persecuted or atleast shunned their ancestors. Better not tell them this kek
>>33742443Ditch Christianity, ditch her, work on yourself and find an atheist woman. Most importantly, ditch Christianity.
>>33743568oh give me a break, the differences between roman catholic and coptic orthodox are really far more cultural than theological. It's all Christian.
This bitch isn't ever gonna give you any pussy so why are you deluding yourself unless she's just a slut larping as a tradcuck.
>>33742443> I’ve got a body count that I lost track ofkys manwhore
>>33742443Do whatever you need to do to keep her
>>33742443>33 year old virgin thinks he can still afford to be pickyThis is why I have zero sympathy for incels. They literally do it to themselves.
>>33742443Hi, Anon. You have the same problem every Christian guy has - marry a woman outside the Church or a woman inside the Church? This is just a version of that problem. The answer is to not marry her. But here's the thing: we don't know the rest of the story besides virginity and cultural differences, so we don't know why you like her, much like the screeching woman has pointed out above. You should think about that as well: why do you like her? While you do that, you can date. Having a girlfriend means seeing if you want to get married. Give it until Easter. Tell her this but with words that work on a woman:>I'm not leaving the Church and my children will be Catholic>I'd like to keep seeing you, I like you a lot and I want to know if we can find a way to work togetherif she says there's no way to work together you break up and that's it, but that's her choice then. If she asks for a deadline you say Easter, but you don't say the deadline until she asks you. It's just for you. AND BRING HER TO YOUR OWN PARISH. See how she reacts to all the families and the little children.
>>33745353he has a body count he lost track of. you niggas on 4chan have got start learning to read
>>33742443She’s hot but fucked in the head with religion. unless you are fucked in the head too it’s probably not a good idea
>>33744138To me the faith of her church and mine is the same. It’s the cultural differences that are noticeable and she seems to want her entire cake on that. >>33744552I ponder this from time to time. I’ve dated non-believing women and they always been pretty submissive when it does turn to something more serious. >>33744612Yup>>33744632She’s definitely larping lmao>>33745620Yeah. My thing is there’s a lot there that’s good that we fundamentally agree on. She’s pretty but doesn’t abuse social media. She’s smart and also makes six figures like me so we could have a good stable home for a kid or two. She’s more rational from what I can tell minus the religion and culture part. As I said she’s unscathed by western programming. Which can be good and bad. For example she’s never seen a single Harry Potter film yet. All this leaves from for her to have shared new experiences with me which is nice. Harder for the woman to get bored. I brought her to a TLM and of course the guy in the pew in front of us was open carrying a revolver and her Orthodox brain didn’t like that. She liked how packed it was, how people were dressed, and how orderly it was. But she seems reluctant to go back and I think that’s due to social pressures from her parents and church since he Priest/Abuna regularly keeps in contact with her so if she isn’t in church one weekend or if I’m not at this point it becomes a massively annoying problem. Last week she really started to pressure me on the church and if I’m going to convert. I said I don’t think I can if you’re not willing to compromise or meet me half way somewhere so we ended things. Part of me says just convert and do my best to ignore and avoid the cultural stuff to the best I can. The Vatican and Pope Leo now aren’t really selling me on staying in the faith.
>>33742443These LARP threads are dumb.Its OK if you convert for no reason at all.But if you convert because you love someone then according to neckbeards on the internet thats double plus ungood.Followed by comments that are factually wrong about catholic marriage, etc.Just ask your LLM to generate better discussion prompts these are no good.
