Honest thoughts on the manosphere, redpill and blackpill?>women aren't capable of loyal love>women have nigh-destroyed the institution of family and marriage, abandoned their husbands, refused to have kids, and forced employers to hire them at gun point>women are evil succubus that trap the weak-willed man>white women intentionally trying to spread HIV/STD>women's accountability (whatever that means coz no man has explained it coherently)>she's not yours. it's just your turn>women want the abusive guy. they hate the nice guy. >basically an incel/porn addict echo chamber that has nothing good come out of it>genuine burning desire is the only thing that matters. the ONLY thing that guides female behavior is sexual attraction. they are obsessed with sex. if she wants to fuck you, she will literally do anything for you, agree with your opinions, and love you. if she doesn't... you're not even a man in her eyes>self-proclaimed alpha white males who lost competition in his home nation goes to SE Asia to cope>younger girls (18-22) really like older guys (35-45), it is not just cope>don't get married or have kids because you'll get divorce-raped, taken to court, accused of rape, and cheated on regardless or not if you begin a relationship with a woman. they're all evil bro>a bunch of black grifters and ugly pickme women like pearl saying they hate women and most of what they say is hyper exaggerated bullshitIs RP and BP content is for bitter men who want to cope?
>>33760665My thoughts are other countries attacking each other with new age propaganda. It's now Left vs Right, Man vs Woman and 90% of the people that see this BS are being consumed by it.>Is RP and BP content is for bitter men who want to cope?Yes but it is also propaganda aimed at mentally vulnerable people designed to pit the populous of countries against each other, the way to destabilise a country is to make it's population fight amongst themselves and that's what has been happening. Call me nuts or a conspiracy theorist but you can see it with your own eyes happening right now.
>>33760665Gender relations are screwed but everything you mentioned is more a symptom not the cause.
It is absolutely true that women haven't been held nearly accountable enough for their actions for decades, and there's no change to that in sight for polite society. They are absolutely becoming worse and absolutely the cause of a huge number of societal problems today, but it's currently culturally unacceptable to call them out on it. Men are, however, entirely free targets because of the obvious shitstains out there that wear our skin.Simultaneously, that viewpoint is entirely hijacked by grifters selling books and "courses" or "consultations". Every single one of them is trying to profit off of men's real disenfranchisement.Any movement that becomes a cult goes wrong every single time, but people are too fucking stupid to have their own thoughts and not fall for it, so... Whatever.
>>33760665As >>33760714 said, red pill stuff was basically hijacked during the 2010s by a bunch of glowie psyop organizations who noticed how popular those communities were with disillusioned young men at the time and decided to use it to push demoralization propaganda which evolved into the black pill.The original red pill wasn't about how women were all malevolent succubi but more that being a spineless pussy was a turn-off and that you needed to have a bit more of an edge to get women (basically the opposite of "be a pushover guy" propaganda of the time). It also pushed a lot of self-improvement i.e. if you're fat, lose weight, if you're weak, get fit, if you're socially awkward, here's some strategies on talking to people and coming off as cool instead of cringy, etc, etc.In reality black pill grew out of MGTOW which, no matter how feverishly its adherents protested, really was just a bunch of losers who did the dating equivalent of "you can't fire me, I quit" and then started pushing talking points about the gynocracy or whatever and how women deep down were all evil whores who would betray you on a whim which grew into shit like the manosphere and so on and so forth. I say it's a glowie psyop because a lot of the prominent manosphere figures were also very well politically connected if you dug deep enough.Original red pill though was just the PUA memes about how to "really" get girls as opposed to the "blue pilled" mainstream advice. Kinda dumb in its own way beyond the common sense basics but mostly harmless and the guys behind it generally had good intentions.
>>33760665There are good things about it becuase they give hope to young guys, motivate them and basically provide a support group becuase nobody is alone in this.The problem comes with the redpill/blackpill ideology which it spreads, creates incels and just forces normal women to act the act opposite just so that people like these can stay away - If these people believe that women should be pure and sumbit to their will as some sort of maids, why shouldn't the women in question do the opposite so that these creeps stay away?There are virtuous women, and we ought to look up to them, manosphere will rarely show you an example of it.>.t Catherine of Sienna
>>33760791I remember I was into the old PUA stuff for a while. I had just gotten over a bad 3 year breakup and went on a rebound date with a cute girl I really liked and got ghosted. Sent me down a real rabbit hole.The advice did work for me though. Mainly the taking better care of myself, working on my confidence and the mental reframing gymnastics you have to do. IMO - it was very respectful towards women. It was about getting them to like you naturally instead of expecting them to be into you just because you bought them dinner or whatever.It worked for me though I kind of fell out of it once I found a girlfriend. I was surprised to find out years later that people viewed it so negatively in broader society.
>>33760665>Honest thoughts on the manosphere, redpill and blackpill?They are not worth having thoughts about.
>>33760665>Is RP and BP content is for bitter men who want to cope?At this point, mostly yes. There are elements of truth to it (which is mostly common sense if anyone just stopped to think about it for about two seconds) but much of it has been exaggerated and distorted to a clownish extent. And weak men, bitter men, and losers cling to it as a crutch or cope and never actually turn things around.It's also pretty cringe because for all the harsh criticism of women, there is very little inward reflection and criticism of men. These are guys with very high standards for women and very low/middling standards for themselves.>>33760791I'd say this anon has it 100% correct.
>>33760665I noticed a generational split between mgtow and blackpillersMgtow are men who got women and were typically married. Blackpillers are young men who struggle and have never had success.
>>33760665Rollo Tomasi has like 20 books.The first one, the original Rational Male, is good though. No way the others aren't just a cash grab and masturbation of the same ideas.
>>33760965>but much of it has been exaggerated and distorted to a clownish extent.It genuinely baffles me how insane some of the blackpill talking points are. Like the relatively recent obsession with height, this insane idea that only men 6' or higher will ever get laid. Like, do these people genuinely not see reality? They just have to look around at other couples for more than a minute to realize the so-called "heightpill" is complete bullshit.How anyone takes the blackpill seriously is beyond me. It's all so unbelievably stupid and bitter that it's bewildering that anyone could be so emotionally tone-deaf to believe it.
>>33760665I think it is funded slop to divide the populus with a us vs them mentality.The only people who really subscribe to the ideas are maidenless losers.
>>33760976Yeah, the OG mgtow guys were divorcees fresh out of bad marriages. You can argue that they didn't handle things well, but I get it.But these modern blackpillers? They're zoomers who have never talked to a girl who are terrified that they'll end up "divorce raped".This is like being dead set on believing that you'll die from being eaten by a shark when you'll never be within miles of the ocean.
>manosphereMost are grifters in this age, selling courses for stuff that's easy to find.I do wonder how much of their opinion on women is just confirmation bias. I know stats exist, but are their thoughts actually universal or only relevant to the scene of women they hang out with (Instagram/OF models, Miami/Las Vegas/LA chicks, 8-10/10 girls in general)?>redpillThe very basic tenets (be masculine, non-chalant, don't be a pushover, etc.) are fine but it's mostly aligned with the greater manosphere as above, so a lot of grifting. The more focused stuff, like "running plates" and the psychological acceptance of "she's not yours, it's just your turn" is relevant if you plan to never having a family and just being a forever bachelor, which is not for every man.>blackpillEvolutionary psychology. The memes and community are funny but it does get depressive if you take a deep dive into it. I'll say this, the way people treated me after I got a couple of high ROI surgeries like 10 years back was night and day. I regret not going all the way then since I felt two surgeries was already too taboo for men. Now hardmaxxing is becoming mainstream.
Manosphere is just feminism for meni.e. agitprop to atomize the western family unit
>>33760665its people being tricked by capitalist propaganda into fighting a culture war to avoid realising we should be fighting a class war. just like conservatives throwing tantrums against trans people and immigrants for causing their life problems which are actually caused by the ultra rich and neoliberals, its mostly stupid men being used as tools by people who hate them, and not having the introspective capacity to understand that
>>33760665I dabble on looksmaxx a bit, but the vast majority of the posters of there are retarded teenagers, and paki/indian/muzzy brownoids. It's funny because posts from their mods or staff are well-written mention texts on facial harmony, and it's shortcomings. While rates on there are just coming from retarded faceblind brown autists/ low-iq posters who can't even articulate their rate, or provide constructive criticism. Some of the shit is true, some of it's half the story, because anything that doesn't fit their narrative they'll throw out, though, some aren't so retarded. I'd say looksmaxx beauty ideal is become a white aryan giga chad slayer who can plow through tinder whores/whores in general, and any other approach is gay/cope/not valid/explained by something else. Though I'm just saying I've known a lot of cutecel slayers, and they still can't explain kpopstars/feminine guys, and they underrate MJ/ other celebs mad hard. Wag away everything with muh halo, muh status. Differing beauty standards are inconceivable to them.
also you should see what they consider ltb, It's like overcompensating, like some incel just went having average women isn't good enough, I need models, and begone the herculean process of attempting to turn themselves into gigachad. Overcompensation, I appreciate the autism, and am also eager to see what one can accomplish if they will it. But to be honest I'll never have a tear rolling down my cheek if a ltb is blowing me every night, women are so ridiculously beautiful even ltb's are hot.
>>33760665>women aren't capable of loyal loveoh yes they are I stopped fucking my gf in the vag on the regular a year ago (unless she asks for it), and she'll blow me whenever I ask, after like 6 months of not fucking her vagina I fucked it, and it was as tight as the first time I fucked it (difficult to get a single finger in).
>>33761192it's all true with vapid chronically online zoomette whores, but one trip through the shartmart/target will blow their entire narrative up, and trust me the women like that you seriously don't want in your life.
infact, you'd be better off paying to fuck prostitutes that hot because atleast they'll go away after you blow your load.
By all means though you should definitely improve your appearance, as much as possible, that you can afford, and is not bogging yourself, no bad will come of that. The question is how do you not bog yourself, and when do you stop, so that you don't bog yourself. Other people will treat you better, but you can still love yourself even if people are shit, and that should be the first priority.
>>33760665Sometimes they hit the nail on head, but a lot of them just do grifting in order to get money from the fans. They are acting like onlyfans girls, instead of getting a picture of a titty you get opinion of an old balding guy. Also they rarely give any valid solution to fix the problem in the society.
