In what regard?

>>33794631
Some simp will still usually scoop them up. It’s on the woman to decide if she’s finally “ready to settle” or if she’ll self-sabotage by continuing to maintain high standards while her market value decreases

>>33794631
i think dating is always blackpilling for women, the quality of the average man in the West is basically garbage. the most you can hope for as a woman is just sex, trying to get a guy to marry you in a Western nation is basically a fool's errand even if you were an 18 year old woman.

>>33794708
>trying to get a guy to marry you in a Western nation is basically a fool's errand
And whose fault is that?

I'm a 30-year-old woman and I've never even kissed anyone. Physically, I'm absolutely gorgeous and I'm sure that I easily could find a man if I wanted to, but I don't want to. The thought of having sex absolutely repulses me, and the thought of anyone caring about me (let alone loving me) repulses me even more. I don't even have any friends, and I don't want to have any. There are no good people in this world, and there is nobody worth caring about. All human beings are worthless garbage and I'm not going to care about garbage.

>>33794745
men's fault for allowing women to vote

>>33794772
based

>>33794699
>>33794776
>>>/r9k/

Dating at any age is blackpilling for women because men are disgusting predators.

>after 30
Nigga, are you serious? Do you think it's even remotely uncommon for thirtysomethings to date?

>>33794631
They have nobody but themselves to blame. They had an entire 12 years to snag a guy who was a good person but instead they had sky high standards. Not my problem.

>>33794631
>after 30?
You're naive if you think this is when modern women start to settle down

>>33794987
This.
Plenty of good men after 30 and beyond. But a woman is an economic oddity: her standards increase as her value decreases. If you're young you just need to be there. If she's older, you better be rich and handsome before accessing her rotten eggs.

>>33794783
>>>/kys/

>>33795030
>Plenty of good men after 30 and beyond.
I'll disagree with this. I've personally never met a man 30+ who was actually good and single.

>>33794631
she's gonna do it again at some point, she got high from the attempt. It's just bungee jumping, but way more powerful and long lasting.

>>33795084
t. foid

Yes, we know you don't consider any man who doesn't look like Henry Caville to be a good man.

>>33795143
Yeah, I'm a woman.

It doesn't have much to do with looks, it's mostly personality trait - most of the men I've met who were single in their 30s were complete whores, porn sick, mentally ill, completely socially inept, were unemployed, etc.

>>33794631
Not blackpilling at all. Just dont have expectations and enjoy life.

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>>33795215
>the men I've met
uh oh
how do you meet them?
maybe you should think of other ways.... because this clearly isn't working for you (I know a shitload of good single guys 30+)

>>33796210
>how do you meet them?
Work, church, hobbies, and through my husband. I have never wondered why a single 30+ year old man was single.

>>33794708
Most men are shit, true, but it's not that difficult to filter the shitters out. Just don't have sex outside of marriage and don't marry a dude unless you actually like him. The first part filters out basically all of the men who would use women or (more commonly) take them for granted as easy sources of sex. The second filters out the men who might meet that low bar, but who aren't a good match for one reason or another.

>>33796230
sure but that's not the same thing as

>>33795084
>actually good and single.

not being employed or socially smooth doesn't mean you're not good.

>>33794631
Should've dated the 5'8 STEMcel nerd who's making 6 figs.

>>33795071
>>>/incels.is/

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>>33794631
If she didn’t get what she wanted before she won’t now. She’ll settle and do some mental gymnastics to convince herself the guy she settled for is actually better. Women are successful when they know what they want and go for it right away

>>33796337
>not being employed or socially smooth doesn't mean you're not good.
Yeah, anon. I wasn't saying every single 30+ year old is evil but just not a good dating prospect.

>>33794631
I won't read curiosity threads. Ask for advice next time.

>>33794772
i love you

>>33794772
Should probably get some help for that

>>33794772
But you are a human being. Are you saying you are garbage, then?

>>33796323
>>33796339
I did this for 12 years and got a conservative man after another who wanted to use me for free labor and fuck sluttier girls on the side while he waited for me to be ready to marry.

>>33795030
Why wouldn't their standards increase? They got used and abused because they had lower standards and now the point of comparison is singlehood instead of competing males. The problem is that young women eventually realize that they're being used so men have to either meet those high standards to retain a partner or attract a new naïve 19 y/o every couple of years.

>>33794772
>I'm a 30-year-old woman
>lived 29 of those years as a man

>>33796674
>They got used and abused because they had lower standards
No it's because they're stupid and deliberately do what's bad for them. They get warned about the "bad boys" and abusers, but fuck them anyway because they're pinheads who want exciting emotions over stability, then seek stability only after learning the hard way
It's like being warned about smoking causing lung cancer, smoking anyway, then getting mad the doctor won't perform the surgery for free because how could you have know it would cause cancer?

Also, women tend not to talk about themselves in the third person, loony troon.

>>33796710
Define a bad boy.

>>33796695
kys projecting troon
ywnbaw

>>33796783
>I know you are but what am I
Naw sorry loony troon I never claimed to be a woman

>>33796879
>You will never be a real woman.
And thank God for that!

>>33794788
So you either find someone in your 20's or be as bitter as you in your 30's?

>>33794631
Men will fuck you but they won't ever truly love you unless you settle with some simp. The body you have now is nothing to the you at 19-23 so consider it a settlement on your part if any guy shacks up with you.

Incels:
>I'm so lonely I cant get a gf
>Ask a girl out? Dude, I can't do that. I'd just get rejected again.

Femcels:
>Im so lonely I can't get a man
>Eew! Today this creepo tried to hit on me again. I hate dealing with men!


The problem isn't the opposite sex. The problem is that you're just lazy.

>>33794631
The people who are posting in this thread are dumb. Yes, me too,

>>33795215
Seems to me that you're interacting with the wrong men, then. I know plenty who are none of those things, and only single because of how women act. They'd prefer to focus their time and energy on being successful and enjoying life than deal with the dating market.

>>33796674
>I did this for 12 years and got a conservative man after another who wanted to use me for free labor
Yeah, press x to doubt.
Anyone who is waiting until marriage to have sex is probably not going to be living together outside of marriage, since (a) that massively increases temptation, and (b) even if it's done with the purest of intentions, that's not how it looks to anyone else. If you're living together for an extended period of time, that's going to imply sex. And the kind of person who doesn't care about how it looks probably doesn't care about the standards very much, either. It's fundamentally selfish--as long as they think of themselves as good people, they don't care how it comes off or who it effects.

And needless to say, but infidelity isn't conservative. Statistically, it's slightly but consistently more common among liberals--especially being correlated with the 'openness to experience' personality trait. I.e. the trait that lends itself to moral permissiveness.

>>33794631
The only people who can date these days are the "normies" who avoid radical internet culture like the plague. Learn your cultural roots. Talk to your grandparents. Stop hating your communities. You can't be an island like you always wanted to be. You aren't strong enough.

>>33794788
by that logic, men are all evil. Speaking of the opposite sex in absolutes never goes well

>>33794772
>but I don't want to
okay so then you're irrelevant to this whole topic. now fuck off

>>33797444
I only lived with two of the men and both instances were for financial reasons. Living together was never implied and I don't believe it's relevant, I'm not sure why you're formed your arguments around it.
>that massively increases temptation
You shouldn't project your struggles onto other people. I've never struggled with that and while some of the men tried to pressure me, none of them outright raped me after I maintained I had no interest in premarital sex.
>that's not how it looks to anyone else
In what world does this matter? You wait for marriage for internal reasons, not to impress friends and family. I didn't tell anyone but my partners since it didn't concern anyone else and I honestly don't see why you'd freely share something so intimate about your relationship as whether you're having sex and when and why. I don't draw conclusions about whether my friends are already having sex with their partners, that is simply none of my business and just thinking about it would be bizarre and disrespectful.

>>33797617

>by that logic, men are all evil.

Yes, men are all evil. So are all women. All people are nothing but pure evil.

>>33797898
>Living together was never implied
The "free labor" bit implied it to me. I've only ever seen women apply that to housework. Looks like I was right, too.

>You shouldn't project your struggles onto other people
Oh, please. You're not stronger for putting yourself into tempting situations. It's just reckless. An alcoholic who leaves open bottles on the table wouldn't impress me. Nor, for that matter, would someone who claims to have never done drugs in their life if they had bags of cocaine lying around. People have sexual urges. Yes, they can be controlled, but if you're trying to control them, the first line of defense is not putting yourself in the situation where it's necessary.

>In what world does this matter?
The world inhabited by other people. Nobody else is in your head--they only know what they see.
A big part of morality isn't just doing the right thing, but also giving the appearance of it. Otherwise, it gives cover to less scrupulous people to act indignant when they're called out.

>I didn't tell anyone but my partners since it didn't concern anyone else
Yeah, and it strains credulity to your partners to claim that you lived with multiple different dudes without touching them. This is going to select for men who either aren't interested in waiting to begin with (who don't really care about the implications) or who are similarly reckless/impulsive. Both of which are more likely to cheat on you, and neither of which lends itself to moral rather than political conservatism.

>>33798474
>putting yourself into tempting situations
Again, that is projection on your part. Sex may be tempting for you, but it is not for me. If I wanted to have sex I would. I want marriage and I have no interest in having sex outside of it and since I've given up dating, I will never have sex, and that is fine by me.
>An alcoholic who leaves open bottles on the table wouldn't impress me.
>who are similarly reckless/impulsive
This is a remarkably stupid analogy. Why do you imagine everyone as an alcoholic? A normal person can have alcohol around without indulging. It isn't "reckless" or "tempting" or any kind of a volatile situation for a non-alcoholic to have a bottle of wine in the house. Are men really that sex-addicted? Even men who purposely seek women who want to wait for marriage?
>A big part of morality isn't just doing the right thing, but also giving the appearance of it
You are full of shit. Morality is never about bragging rights, not in any manner or form. Showing off inherently diminishes any good deed since it blurs the lines between innate morality and seeking praise, and doing so normalizes praise-seeking behavior for those around you. And besides, I didn't wait for marriage because of morality regarding premarital sex but due to personal standards for life partnership. Premarital sex isn't seen as immoral in my culture, I would not have been celebrated for abstaining.

>>33794772
Anywhere you look in this universe, there are always exceptions to the rule, and I assure you there are plenty of sincere people in both sexes who practice temperance. You cannot win if you do not play.. so play in places that ARENT predatory apps and date sites, those are where the human debris gather. Do not paint everyone with a single brush, this isn't accurate and you and everyone else know this.

>>33795215
It seems as an adult you’re either a knower or not and she doesn’t know

>>33796674
lol that's what you get, trying to use men for free labor while you just sit back and vet, make him wait while doing nothing yourself.

>>33801107
Is this reply AI-generated? A lot of the replies I get don't match up with anything in my posts.
How is going over to his place to cook and run errands while he sits on his ass, doing nothing and using him?

>>33794772
kino

>>33800844
>I want marriage and I have no interest in having sex outside of it
Same here. That's why I wouldn't put myself in a situation where I'm living as if I'm married. Both because of how it looks ("yeah, babe, I lived with this other woman for a couple years, but I pinky promise that I didn't touch her!") and because it's far easier to avoid something if I literally don't have the convenient means to do it.

>Why do you imagine everyone as an alcoholic?
I don't. I'm saying that, just as an alcoholic is drawn to alcohol, most people are drawn to sex. Especially men. Again, people have self-control, and should exercise it, but that doesn't mean all situations require equal exertions of it.

> Are men really that sex-addicted? Even men who purposely seek women who want to wait for marriage?
Addicted? No. But we do have a more constant sex drive, so a man who is willing to wait (or, if you live in a very conservative country, a man who wants a wife with a good reputation--probably to get his mother's approval--but who isn't great himself) is not the same as a man who WANTS to wait. The former is far likelier to falter, because he doesn't have as much internal motivation to control himself. If you tell a man who doesn't value exclusivity to live with a woman and never have sex, he's a very good bet for ending up sexually frustrated. That's entirely his problem, true, but you obviously don't want to end up with those guys, do you?

Why do you think you ended up getting cheated on multiple times? My guess is it's a combination of bad luck with the guys you ran into, and a selection effect on YOUR part, of finding men who don't care about the implications of living together. These will tend towards the less committed.

>>33800844
> Morality is never about bragging rights
Appearances aren't about "bragging rights", it's literally about being a functioning member of society and having credibility as a moral agent, while denying the same credibility to people who would abuse others' trust. You're right that people shouldn't be flaunting how "good" they are. But this is very different from being mindful of how you come off.

Is appearance more important than what you actually do? Of course not. But it's not irrelevant, either. While you can justify, for example, going in and out of a stranger's house with a big bag in the middle of the night for some reason of expediency or as a favor to them, it's obviously not something you'd do on a whim because of how it looks.
Alternatively, I'd never ask a woman to hike alone with me unless we were already in a long-term relationship. I obviously would never harm her, but she doesn't know that, and it's not only unreasonable to pretend it's not a risk to her, but also dangerous to encourage that kind of risk-taking with others. Someone with far worse motives would make the exact same request--and it's only by being aware of how it looks that I can draw the distinction and not act that way.

And to reiterate, I believe what you've told me. I believe you when you explain what motivates you, your intentions, and your integrity. That's why I've taken the trouble to post: I want you to find what you're looking for, and I think it's premature to give up.
I think you are making it harder on yourself by choosing to cohabit, so I think you'll get better results if you tried not doing it. What do you have to lose by not giving up? If nothing else, it's much less inconvenient to dump a guy for being shit if he's not paying half the rent.

>>33797508
In my community everyone is a drunken retard bro… there is nothing to find for me

>>33795215
Honestly most married men are weak retards
A woman's validation really is worthless

>>33805282
yet married men are more successful in most areas in life than unmarried men when you compare the 2 groups

>>33805318
>fat
>no sleep
>emotionally unstable
>hates life
>only working a "successful" full-time job to support their kids (one of whom is probably another man's)
yeah bro sure

>>33805318
Please everyone also note that this whore specifically brought up "success" and not, say, happiness or fulfillment

>>33794772
Average delusional hag

>>33802064
>it's obviously not something you'd do on a whim
True, I don't go out at night, I don't like surprises, and I've never done things I didn't plan carefully if there was a perceivable level of risk involved.
>because of how it looks.
This part just isn't true. Absolutely no one gives a single shit and even if they did, any unsavory judgement they make is a moral failing on their part rather than mine.
>I think you are making it harder on yourself by choosing to cohabit
As I've said several times now, I did not move in with most of them. One I knew as a flatmate before we started dating and another lost his house 2 years into our relationship so I let him move into mine. If anything I regret not doing it earlier since that was what allowed me to discover he was cheating on me.
Moreover, it's extremely easy to appear well-adjusted in front of someone you only meet in public every now and then. It was always only once I started spending a lot of time with them in private that I discovered that they were awful people.
>Alternatively, I'd never ask a woman to hike alone with me unless we were already in a long-term relationship
It's obvious that I did not visit those men until I trusted them. But if I'm not allowed to spend time with them in private, how am I meant to get to know them? Are we meant to spend every shared moment at a park or in a restaurant where we can't be truly ourselves or talk about anything private? Where we can't ascertain whether our lifestyles are compatible or not.

>>33794772
fuck you, ama nurse. not that it matters. but there!

>>33794631
>>33794708
you can just date 18 year olds. I am 33 and my gf is 18. shit is pretty cash

>>33807140
How'd you snag her? The closest shot I've had recently was going back to school but now I'm working and I'm too busy

>>33796337
If you're 30+ and not employed/underemployed and have really poor social skills then yeah, you arent a good spouse prospect dude. I realize shit happens and someone can get fired which sucks, but theres a big difference from that and some 32 yo whos only ever worked retail jobs and never earned more than $15/hour.

>>33794772
I can fix her

>>33801262
>Is this reply AI-generated?
90-something percent of 4ch is AI generated at this point. The few of us who are humans make it worth it.

>>33794776
Men didn't let you, kikes did

>>33807140
i'm not against it, maybe it will happen in the future

>>33797196
That's not even the problem you greentexted

You explicitly write out that women don't want to negotiate at all. Incels are just a symptom. You misframing womens absurd starting criteria as incels "not trying" is ringing hollow.

>>33794631
I dunno. The quality of the women over 30 that I'm finding is absolutely radioactive waste, not even worth bothering with. Physically, things are degrading as expected but it's the emotional and mental issues that blot out everything else. No matter how insane you prepare yourself for, she's bringing something worse.

>>33794631
it's very blackpilling.
you think that by age 30 dudes will leave you alone, but the exact opposite happens. they just become more desperate and go out and date for all the wrong reasons and try to lock you down asap because they're afraid of staying single for the rest of their lives. this is made even worse by their looks crashing out fast; 20yo guys these days are beer-bellied ungroomed smelly freaks. by 30 they look like they're actually homeless and flea-riddled.

to the few not-fake foids lurking here, remember the classic strategies to scare moids off, or at the very least keep them at a distance:
>say "I have a boyfriend" whenever your relationship status is questioned by a moid (aka when he's trying to see if you'd be "available" to him, gross)
>wear a fake wedding ring to work
>never let a moid gift you anything, no not even a candy bar; it invites them into your circle and makes them bolder around you

stay vigilant and you'll live another 30 years in peace.

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>>33809907
>it's still the guys fault

>>33794708
>>33807140
What kind of man marries 18 year olds past 25?
You'd have to be incredibly immature or more likely, just not give a fuck about your wife at all and only marry her for her body. Also pedo vibes (conveniently marrying the lowest possible age)

>>33794772
Shut the fuck up and post your tits, you stupid cunt. Also post feet.

>>33809907
You're that one virgin femcel thats been malding all over the board those past days, arent you

>>33811121
have sex, incel

>>33811231
Dial8

>>33811121
>Also post feet
kys fucking foot loving degenerate scum