the fuck am I supposed to do? Been leeching parents the entire time. Still have some money saved up because I'm insanely frugal but I just can't imagine getting back into the job market or what job. Fired from code monkey job because CRUD apps are too hard for me apparently. also have a bsc in biology but lab shit was the fucking worst. no I don't expect 4chan adv to point me to the perfect job that fixes my life but wanted to vent somewhere.
>>33810745Relate to everything but being demented and job experience.Just wanted to bump your vent
>>33811237The perfect job for you is a lineman, particularly ones in Florida.>Always hiring>Nothing required>Paid for training>Good insurance and benefits>Pay is only $25/hr, but you work enough hours that it becomes about $95k/yr without factoring in hurricanes>good coworkers, most of my high school classmates went this route while I am grinding university for a job that pays about the same
>>33810745>Fired from code monkey job because CRUD apps are too hard for me apparently. Are you actually this retarded or did you have a shit employer?Also regardless of your personal perspective, the market is extremely fucked right now.
>>33810745It's hard to get coding jobs even if you years of experience now. Probably just pick another career.
>>33811355both? it was a consulting agency so a lot of bouncing around different projects different codebases had to switch from MacOS at the start to Linux since they only had linux boxes and basically shamed into using vim instead of the code editor I was used to. Lots of dumb small things contributed to my complete failure but it was like a crew of people that basically grew up being complete code nerds and then lots got comp sci degrees while I was self taught for a couple months and then did a bootcamp and after that crazy grind I didn't really wanna grind more shit out of work hours. I felt cursed at that job and a complete lack of self confidence like I'd think of three ways to do some simple shit and then not be able to decide and then always pick the wrong way and obsessed too much about doing small commits and shit and was so worried about git history and doing things neatly. I definitely was not near the standard they wanted and everyone was like billing hourly on their own shit or I just was not good at getting help from people or they weren't good at trying to provide it. in conclusion might as well kms
>>33811483>it was a consulting agency > had to switch from MacOS at the start to Linux since they only had linux boxes>basically shamed into using vim instead of the code editor I was used to.Nigger this place sounds like a fucking nightmare and is not a healthy code environment
>>33811635if you were a code nerd from childhood it would have been a fantastic job like there were tons of good parts I didn't culture mesh perfectly in that regard.
>>33811272in response to this I feel a do nothing wfh overpaid tech job would be way superior but it seems like you need to slowly transition to that in tech by having a job that you automate 95% of without your management realizing it. I'm already mid 30s don't think manual labour is the future for me regardless.
>>33811745Can't tell if you're baiting or just a retarded midwit. That's not a good environment. I was a "tech Wiz" kid and work in the profession today.
>>33811483lol it's a crud app just use Claude or something
At least you're not this anon
>>33812349well one of my coworkers at the time was another bootcamp guy but he was the only one. At one point he credited someone else with helping him a ton when he started and yeah definitely didn't have that experience with anyone. I'm probably making it sound worse than it was as a defense mechanism. like I wasn't actually shamed into vim but it's like, literally 90%+ of the devs there used it and were sharing sick efficiency things. at the time I was fired I was probably about as fast as I was at using atom and atom took me about 1/50th the effort to learn and use at all. The worst part was probably just one of the co founders we didn't mesh well like wasn't too long in when I could tell he thought I was fuckin dumb. he was apparently one of those kids that sleep through calculus and then get 100 on the exam so fuck that guy>>33812428if i had time travel it wouldnt' be to use claude in my failed web dev job.
>>33812659yeah that'd be beyond miserable desu.
>>33810745Hey man, I read the thread, and that's not a normal work environment, they sound completely fucked. My advice is to do what I did: look for a job that's not in the tech industry. Just because you're a programmer doesn't mean you have to work for a software company. Pretty much any company that's large enough will need at least one. Think healthcare, manufacturing, higher education, insurance, fuck, literally anything, if it's big enough they need developers, or at least someone who can tard wrangle consultants.The double-edged sword of that kind of job is that whatever you inherit will probably be complete shit. So, nobody will judge you for how you do things, but also the person who originally wrote it retired 15 years ago, there's no documentation, and it's not in source control. Oh, and it's also in VB6 or something. If you can improve it at all you'll be seen as going above and beyond.No advice on the resume gap, but seriously, developer in a non-software company is the way to go. Great job security too.
>>33815444well yeah it wasn't a normal company. Cofounders made it about 3-5 years prior to my getting there and were just recent CS grads with zero management experience. Just wrote code for money and expanded from there with some hires as they got more. When I was axed it was like 12 developers and an office manager. One of the founders did a bit more of the admin stuff but that must have been more like dealing with clients and business shit cause it wasn't any kind of employee stuff. I will agree that that kind of dev stuff would probably be the best where there's less pressure from like being surrounded by seemingly great programmers wanting the neatest code. but at this point I just have now ancient rails and JS knowledge though I haven't forgotten concepts I learned so at the same time I could get back into shape but fuck I just wanna leech for 10 years and kms or some shit lmao
very weird timing. someone in my extended family has this low code shitheap app that I helped a very small amount with and is now asking if I would be willing to remake it as an actual webapp and it's just like, yeah I'm certain I could get all the functionality but I have no idea what timeilne I could manage and like the backend quality might be a shitheap and testing fucking testing unit tests seem so fucking dumb dude doesn't test anything useful but ya gotta have that 100% code coverage and they want an offer of like yeah I would build that for a flat rate when I have no idea if it would take me 160 hours or 500 because of being a retarded failure and then also a flat rate entices lower quality practices. just thinking about it is stressing me.
and deploying. and fancy js shit they'd want.
Maybe I'll join the (Canadian) military if there is some kind of tech job path. This is my latest retsrd thought
I guess the only thing even appealing about the military is I can't imagine getting rejected and once you're in there's like a path. there is probably some airforce tech job I could get but I have no idea what the relocation or basically anything else would be like. and basic training would probably be miserable though I am in pretty good shape lifting wise just don't do any like extended cardio.
dude you can't even believe how much I hate this bullshit "low code" platform it's the worst thing I've ever endured in my pathetic coddled life.
>>33810745how much in savings and do you have a car?
>>33834287No car sold it after it sat there uninsured for years and lost most of its value in repairs needed just to sell it lmao that was dumb. Got about 80 grand cause that job paid okay and was split over 2 calendar years so very little tax and invested it all and insanely frugal and some inheritance came in.
>>33834615>no car>I only have 80K :\buy a car and prepare to live in it
>>33815444I work in defense and can attest to all this bullshitNot to mention: public sector really opens your eyes to how millions of tax dollars are egregiously wasted on meetings and compliance bullshit. It's amazing to me that aerospace companies are able to get anything done.But the gravy train never stops. It's a living
>>33837374why would I need to live in a car. My family isn't kicking me out.
>>33837387replied to the wrong thing.
>>33810745I hear your venting palAt the end of the day you have your wits about you, and having a bachelors puts you in a higher percentile than most (not trying to grease your weasel, you aren't a genius) in terms of ability to complete a complex task. The bad news is having a bachelors in the natural sciences means fuck all for your credentials, unless you're going into research which is pretty much pozzed and doesn't pay the billsHow much longer do you have left to NEET it up? You can make your situation work for you. Whatever is distracting you right now, unplug the SATA cable storing it and throw it in the attic, along with the xbox or what have you, and start devoting yourself to making something valuable. Use AI tools like Base44 to spin something up..it doesn't have to be sexy just make something, anything valuable that you can bring to the table. If one idea doesn't work toss it out and start fresh.Failing that, >>33811272 is always a reliable fallback. Either way you can tell yourself you tried, and you'll end up on your own two feet. Trust in your intuition. I'd give it about 3 months tops before throwing in the towel on a tech job, if you can afford to do that.
>>33837409>How much longer do you have left to NEET it up? You can make your situation work for you. Whatever is distracting you right now, unplug the SATA cable storing it and throw it in the attic, along with the xbox or what have you, and start devoting yourself to making something valuable. Use AI tools like Base44 to spin something up..it doesn't have to be sexy just make something, anything valuable that you can bring to the table. If one idea doesn't work toss it out and start fresh.I have essentially indefinite time since my expenses are very low as I'm leeching my parents. There would be a massive acceleration to it all if my parents died but then I would have that inheritance, but if that did happen I would definitely be in "okay I *actually* have to get a job" mode. but they should have a good 20 years left lmao god I am fucked up I just don't care about life. I have one physical activity hobby I care about but I'm also stagnant as fuck at that so it's impossible to be motivated to work hard at something else.
Download Claude learn basics of GenAI - making apps with langchain, API integration, MCPs, RAG systems to talk chatbot with pdf documents.Take some volunteering job, does not need to be in tech, it may be even in damn animal shelter or homeless soup center, whatever big volunteering org that has som computer system to help volunteers. Use your new knowledge , think how such system can be improved with GenAI. Make PoC , contact admin , integrate your code with his system.On new job interviews talk about how you used your sick AI skills to bring up productiveness of organization by some fakeass measure. Profit
>>33840801I mean not Claude - Cursor editor. But watch out for costs, maybe block card if it's too big idk
>>33810745A decade of living off your parents doesn't make you NEET. It makes you a bum
if the future is getting AI to spit out apps to talk to other AI apps then lmao
