>>33821869
Yeah. Dating is cooked. Women are out of control. Just focus on you and build resilience. Try to meet women in meatspace instead of playing the female games on apps.

>>33821869
Try not being ugly. U sound exactly like the boring tripletexter girls laugh about.

>>33821869
Yes, it's sad that men's behaviour has degenerated so much that ghosting has become a necessity rather than a rarity, but we are where we are. You'll get used to it.

t. man who got used to it

>>33821934
Why is it a necessity?

>>33821869
>What the fuck? What is this shit? I'm obviously being a faggot and doing something wrong
You’re not doing anything wrong, the same thing happens to me and countless other men. It’s just how they are now. Women have countless options at their fingertips at all times and are just evil. Her response is absolutely disgusting.

>>33821934
>t. man who got used to it
Women literally have no reason to block or ghost, for no reason. That’s like exclusive to women. They can do it for no reason, devastate the guy, and you’re defending them?

>>33821943
Aww poor man can't get the vagina he feels entitled to after giving her attention?

>>33821869
>daily texts
>date the next day

You're way too available, she barely needs to snap her fingers and you serve your ass up on a silver platter.
Don't you have any friends, hobbies, anything? hy would you text someone every day who isn't even your gf?
This kind of game might have worked when you were 20 due to both being little shits, but now the guys these girls meet are all grown up ,have a life and don't run after girls like big eyed puppies.

Also, if your're engaging in e-dating be aware that you are joining a 90% sausagefest. No woman who hangs out there for long is right in the head, because having your inbox spammed with hundreds of "matches" every day will inevitable addel your mind, its not a situation that ever happens in real life.
If you saw a club, taht contains 9 guys for every woman, would you think this is agood place to get laid? Apply this to e-dating.
Also, the alglorithm works against you because its not in Match Incs. interest that you actually find a partner and subsequently cancel your subscription.

>>33821943
I've done it to plenty women , when you don't really fit well its often a good option to just let things die quitely. Stop latching on every whiff of pussy like a 14 year old boy.

>>33821982
Fair and educative but I think you're being too harsh on the talking every day part. If you're interested in each other and have time to talk, why not do it? Holding out responses on purpose feels a bit tryhard to me.

>>33821982
>>daily texts
>>date the next day
The problem is if you don't do this she loses interest too or blocks you because her ego can't handle being left on delivered.

>>33821993
>If you're interested in each other and have time to talk, why not do it? Holding out responses on purpose feels a bit tryhard to me.

You're not wrong, I just feel its such a huge invest into someone you basically don't know, and who as you noticed my be gone at any second at that point.
Shes just a prospect who may or may not develop into something more, why invest so much emotion into that? Often times women "ghosting" has nothing to do with you, its their way of rejecting guys because rejecting people is actually rather uncomfortable, so most women take the easy way and just stop responding.

>>33822002
If shes really that prissy, be glad she filtered herself. Just imagine what being together with a woman like this would mean. I shudder at the thought. Also I suspect its an online phenomenon once again. Only ever had thsi happen with chicks I met online, and I suspect a lot of those were just bored and lookign for some simp to entertain them digitally.

>>33821869
>She asked if I was free the next day, I said yes, we arranged a date for the next day and then last minute she canceled and stopped responding.
That's on you. You're too available. Need to schedule at least a week later so it looks like you're busy (ideally, you would actually be busy and not faking it).

>>33822024
>If shes really that prissy, be glad she filtered herself.
Yes, good, BUT... an overwhelming majority of women are like this. I don't want to say ''all'', but after experiencing this terrible pattern for months (that and only that, no parting on good terms or simply being friends) what else is there to imagine?

>>33822018
I think ghosting after a few convos that didn't work out is fine and not really what irks men. What's upsetting is getting to know each other deeply and all of a sudden seeing <<instagram user>> or noticing they're not responding back for no reason. It's gay. Super gay. Because unless the other person did something disrespectful, you owe them the ''sorry, I don't think it's going to work''

>but then women would have to do that every time that's so much work
Only if you're texting seven dudes at the same time.

>>33821869
I feel like we're speaking in two voices in this thread. Let's make it clear, dating as a concept is split into two:
1) Dating from an app, which is what you're referring to
2) Dating from IRL, which is what I do (or at least attempt)

In my IRL experiences, they don't ghost, they just cancel with some excuse or nothing happens, it's always a soft rejection. There was only one girl who was a complete slut who ghosted me, then we saw each other at an event the next day and acted like nothing happened.
It is what it is dude, but the bottom line is, from several girls I tried with IRL - no one ghosts at least. And that's the nice part.

I guess you've just made me realize a benefit of dating irl.
This issue is actually much closer to my heart than you know or than I'd like to admit - I never had success on dating apps, there's plenty of accounts online telling that women ghost, but I only ever get bots and the 2 real women I did match with, did in fact ghost after a while. I completely understood it - they have all the options.

I see - an empty chat. Silence. Nothing else happens.
She sees - 30 other exciting DM's with new guys, each can be an exciting new adventure :) and take her on a new exciting journey in new places, fuck her with a different body, different cock, different wages that he earns, different beach house that he has access to

It only makes sense. And that's why I got off the apps, and I said to myself - sure I'll be facing different difficulties, but I would rather face these IRL difficulties than participate in the WORST rat race in the world, with a bunch of picky choosy women who are dating up and up and up. Fuck that. So yeah :)

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>>33821982
>don't run after girls like big eyed puppies.
There is a small subset of women who actually like this. Unfortunately it always ends up being toxic. Ask how I know

>>33821966
NTA, but this is why our ancestors simply treated them as property. Giving them any say in the matter was a mistake, ultimately men are going to get whatever they want with force, same as it ever was. You're supposed to give people a legal, reasonable way to achieve what they want - if you can't do that, then people have to get it the illegal, unreasonable way. Like beating them over the head and carrying them off to Grug's rape dungeon.

>>33821869
>I (27M) came out of a six year relationship and realized that dating has completely changed. It honestly makes me uncomfortable how ghosting or outright blocking someone has become the norm.
Why do zoomers pretend this hasn't been the case since like 1999 when millenials and Gen Xers were blocking each other on ICQ and MSN messenger.

>>33821982
Exactly this.

Dollars to donuts, OP is a double texter.

>>33822376
>>33821940
hey OP definitely take advice from the mental cases here talking about how all women are evil and all deserve to get raped. Very cool and normal thought processes here and definitely not a one way ticket to incel town.

>>33821938
>>33821943
Ghosting is necessary because, if you actually send a message saying goodbye, too many men immediately resort to abuse and threats. If ghosting and blocking is the only be sure you can avoid rape- and death-threats, then women are going to ghost and block. And sure, not all men behave like this; but more than enough do to make ghosting a completely reasonable precaution. If you're going to complain, you need to answer the question: exactly how many death threats should a woman be required to receive in order to protect your precious feelings? Ten? Twenty? Fifty? How many? Alternatively you could direct your anger towards the men who are being abusive and threatening - they're the ones who are actually to blame.

>>33822419
>Why do zoomers pretend this hasn't been the case since like 1999 when millenials and Gen Xers were blocking each other on ICQ and MSN messenger.
You must be out of touch if you think it's comparable (bless your soul though).

>>33822445
>saying goodbye to someone means he will come to your house and rape you

>>33822069
Where do you actually meet women in real life?

>>33822538
it's literally the exact same thing, snowflake

all these socially retarded zoomer come up with every excuse under the sun to talk about how dating has COMPLETELY CHANGED in the last ...

9 years, yeah cause dating apps and social media didn't exist in 2017.

With OP too he blindly stumbles out of a 6 year relationship, completely rusted over, and expects to be crushing pussy like some gigga chad instead of stumbling through dates like anyone else does after getting out of a long term relationship.

Dating is kind of like riding a bike, except the streets have changed with potholes that weren't there X years ago and the bike itself has loose gears and rust on it, etc.

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>>33821869
>dating in 2025
>dating in current year
>dating women these days
>dating modern women
>trying to date modern women in modern society
>dating was better 20 years ago (I am 25 year old)
>social media and dating apps ruined dating

anyone who opens up their "dating problems" thread with a statement like this is always seeking to shift the blame.

They always come up with shit like
>can you BELIEVE that according to this jpeg of a graph, most women PREFER attractive men??!!!??!? This was never the case before social media dating apps on our modern smart phones!!! Now popular women have access to plenty of guys!!! This is unheard of!!!!

>>33822542
>saying goodbye to someone means he will come to your house and rape you
Please try and be just a *little* less retarded, anon. What I said was that saying goodbye to someone may cause him to THREATEN to come to your house and rape you. And that absolutely does happen, *far* more often than you want to believe.

>>33822630
Your post is as retarded as the one I replied to, because it repeats the same argument.

>>33822630
>>33822542
>>33822445
I don't have a dog in this race, enjoy your little back and forth, but threats aside the real problem with "remaining friends" especially online is that it almost always leaves room for doubt that "oh, maybe he/she'll take me back if I message them a 500 word text in a few months"

>>33822600
I'm btfo'ing that >>33822419 argument with one simple question: did people in 1999 have smartphones with continuous internet access?

>>33821869
I am 23 and I'm wondering the same fucking thing with what is going on with women. I'm in college and everytime I get a girls number or social media (if she doesn't outright reject me or already have a boyfriend) I get ghosted. Everytime I match with a girl on a dating app I get ghosted or they don't even respond at all. Every time I add a girl on snap from a dating app they often don't open my message or they stop opening the message after some stupid fucking short conversation. I don't fucking understand women in 2025 and this game they all lijr to fucking play with ghosting. Shit is fucking infuriating. Just say you aren't interested and stop fucking wasting time and doing this shit. How do people even couple up when it seems like all women do this shit?

>>33822600
You must be American. The way I read it, coming from a place where reading comprehension is still actually taught in schools, is that the OP merely wishes to find a meaningful connection again and has been rather patient, quite unlike what you suggest.

>>33822672
Snap or instagram is a bad place to talk to ADHD women because as soon as you are away she's going to have 40 other guys in her inbox trying to entertain her.

>>33822611
>>can you BELIEVE that according to this jpeg of a graph, most women PREFER attractive men??!!!??!? This was never the case before social media dating apps on our modern smart phones!!! Now popular women have access to plenty of guys!!! This is unheard of!!!!
Okay, where is the graph? You claimed it always happens, yet I see no JPEG of a graph as you suggest? Curious.

>>33822667
>did people in 1999 have smartphones with continuous internet access?
No, and it didn't matter.

Dating is still the same pricinples.

Most people prefer attractive and charismatic people, women have more access to a bigger dating pool than anti-social loners, they always did.

>>33822674
>has been rather patient
he went on two dates, it sounds like.

>>33822683
I don't save that shit to my hard drive, it's the fame meme okcupid graph that's been reposted for like 10 years now.

>>33821869
The problem is that guys are extremely autistic and don't pick up on social cues or underlying emotional reasons for why girls say things until they politely come up with an excuse to leave, which guys will also interpret literally and reject, coming up with reasons why their excuse is wrong (when in reality, it's only an excuse and they just don't like you anymore). This is why it's perfectly rational and good for foids to ghost guys. Unfortunately, until you accept this, you will be seen as a retarded creep by every woman, because they can pick up on your inability to understand them immediately

>>33822684
You completely skirted around the point. It's not comparable, and I'll lay it out for you: in 1999, dating required initiative and effort in real life. If you met someone, you actually had to talk, call, or see them again. In 2025 most interactions happen through apps or social media where attention spans are shorter, options are infinite, and people can vanish mid-conversation because there’s no social cost.

Your argument is basically that since some of the principles of attraction didn't change, dating as a whole didn't either. Terrible reasoning.

>>33822690
Can you leave the thread now that there's no mythical meme graph to complain about? (or stay here and seethe)

>>33822688
Not really, it's obviously not his first week as a bachelor.

What I find most exciting about this thread is that you can tell which posters have had meaningful conversations with women before and who has a comment history on r/theredpill.

>>33822729
And with that you mean the people begging for sex?:) glad we can agree, then!

>>33822672
Fucking so true

>>33822611
>It is always your fault as the man women are perfect creatures doing no wrong and are certainly not susceptible to mass social conditioning and algorithmically-driven dopamine addiction
I've been romantically active since I became a legal adult in 2010 and I'm telling you, no matter what you faggot face believes, that it's never been worse. Get fucked kiddo.

>>33822764
It’s not about perfection. Women tolerate a lot more than men do. Maybe you should just consider lowering your standards and call it a day mr single at 33?

>>33822445
>>33822630
LMAO whores will get a bad response from being straightforward one time and will claim with a straight face all men are
>What I said was that saying goodbye to someone may cause him to THREATEN to come to your house and rape you.
Ok and? There's a thousand situations where this might happen to a man. People get road rage, they get ripped off in a store or something and follow people home, USUALLY OTHER MEN, and kill them all the fucking time.
What you're suggesting is that women are uniquely stupid, neurotic, and paranoid if they can't cope with the possibility of violent bad actors existing in the world, and a logical conclusion of that is that women should not be entrusted to have civic responsibilities and freedom at the same level men do.

>>33822772
>Women tolerate a lot more than men do.
Holy shit you can't be serious
>Maybe you should just consider lowering your standards and call it a day mr single at 33?
That'd be more of a burn if it wasn't coming from some deranged social failure taking women's hormones.

>>33822784
>If I don’t caricaturize the person I’m arguing with as a transexual, my argument might look weak

Hmm

>>33822791
I mean what you're saying is just so retarded I assumed something had to be wrong with your brain medically, and I know there are no biological women on this site.
I'll concede that women have it harder when I see more women dying in war, on oil rigs, at the top of HVDC transmission lines. etc. Once as many women die as men from those jobs, I'll concede that getting scary texts on top of all that means they have it harder.

>>33822778
You got butthurt about your online dating experiences and now believe women should be second rung citizens. Is that you OP?

>>33822808
Your brain doesn't have much horsepower if that's the conclusion you're taking away.
I was pointing out the world is a dangerous place filled with dangerous people. Doesn't matter if most of them are men, because men have to deal with those other men too. Either women need to be adults and accept this, or perhaps if it's such a pressing problem on the top of their minds that it colors every interaction they have with a man, then maybe they shouldn't be put into positions where they interact as much.
Because you're somewhat right, women are fucking obsessed with the idea that every man is going to kill them and rape them. In past societies or 3rd world societies like India this is a valid worry, but if you're that worried about it in a first world country it comes off as paranoid delusion.

>>33822833
How many times to men get rape threats?

>>33822838
>How many times to men get rape threats?
In the real world, about as often as women do which is zero.
How many times do women get guns pulled on them compared to men? Happened to me twice, and I'm just a normal ol guy.

>>33822778
>and a logical conclusion of that is that women should not be entrusted to have civic responsibilities and freedom at the same level men do.
Based. The world would be a better place if women were subservient to men, to exist as fucktoys, breeding sows and housemaids. Incels would not exist, autism would not be a problem, and there would be universal peace since there would be no more fighting over the attention of holes, every man would be given at least one female to use as they see fit.

>>33822838
>>33822845
Also I qualified "real world" because in prison, the rate of male on male rape is WAY higher than male on female rape in free society, but I didn't want to argue off "technicalities"

>>33822848
And you ask why women block you?

>>33822848
This is quite literally why Middle Eastern countries RETURNED to Sharia law. They tried Western liberalism, it nearly ruined their countries, they had a hard "conservative" reaction to rectify things.
I'm not one of those cringe "white Sharia" people but some practices from the Muslim world are kind of based, like segregating men and women/children in public dining, and women needing male escorts.

When I was in my chad phase, I managed to get poon on dialup. I can only imagine how easy it is for a woman to get men with jobs to wrote paragraphs.

>>33822859
Lmao. The Middle East is a region where their politicans post AI-generated music videos of missiles being launched on their Twitter. Obviously, they are not ready for the freedom that Americans have.

>>33821869
This thread is divided in two main camps:
>I think everyone should be held accountable for their actions
>I treat women like shit because they do the same to me

1 is going to win out in the end by virtue of seeking people with grace, whereas 2 will inevitably burn out -- having consumed pages of redpill and PUA slop.
I'm in it to get a woman with content, not some bimbo you have to run manipulative tricks on like >>33822600 suggests. You can tell by the poor reasoning in his ideas that he's gotten them from an echo chamber.

>>33823210
I'm not that anon but
>I think everyone should be held accountable for their actions
No, what those people and you are arguing is that every MAN should be accountable for SOME men's actions, without seeing the retardation of it
>1 is going to win out in the end by virtue of seeking people with grace
>I'm in it to get a woman with content
I can tell you're going to end up as some mid's oofy doofy hubby, and you're going to think you're the luckiest man in the world for it. Another Sucker Idolizing Mediocre Pussy for sure.
>>33822600
And you, you are also an idiot. I was on AIM, I was in IRC, yes the way people think and interact has completely changed.
>9 years, yeah cause dating apps and social media didn't exist in 2017.
Tinder came out in 2012, so it has existed almost 200% longer since 2017. You really are a fucking moron if you don't think spending more time on the exponential adoption curve of the technology doesn't disproportionately affect the way society uses it. Not to mention in that time the Techno-Pharisees producing this digital poison have been refining algorithms to specifically skull fuck you and exploit your brain's reward pathways. Entire documentaries and dozens of studies have been done covering exactly that issue, but no it's nothing.

You know what, I agree with you faggots. It is a masculinity issue, men aren't masculine enough to do wat needs to be done and see to it certain people start swinging from lamposts as a warning to others to never do this shit, fucking with the psycho-social fabric of soceity for ad revenue, ever again.

>>33823263
>I can tell you're going to end up as some mid's oofy doofy hubby, and you're going to think you're the luckiest man in the world for it. Another Sucker Idolizing Mediocre Pussy for sure.
Projection laden with PUA jargon is not an argument. Now please stay on topic and contribute to the discussion.

The rest of your post I agree with. Dating apps are a jewish circus.
>You know what, I agree with you faggots. It is a masculinity issue, men aren't masculine enough to do wat needs to be done and see to it certain people start swinging from lamposts as a warning to others to never do this shit, fucking with the psycho-social fabric of soceity for ad revenue, ever again.
based

>>33823263
>I can tell you're going to end up as some mid's oofy doofy hubby, and you're going to think you're the luckiest man in the world for it
As opposed to what? Having sex with strangers in your 30s?

>>33822445
many men take rejection badly but if you had a good time and just ghost it could lead to stalking instead.

>>33823315
>Having sex with strangers in your 30s?
This vanilla nigga criticizing being a Chad

>>33823315
>As opposed to what? Having sex with strangers in your 30s?
How about building your life's dream because you're not nailed down to some nagging yenta, and actually being in the position of power in any relationship you get into because you're internally fulfilled by something else anyway?
This is our gift as men btw, because we do not have wombs we don't have that deep biological call to start families with the same intensity women do, and can actually fill that void with pursuits we elevate to that same level. This will help you both to be a better partner and during periods of solitude.

>>33823413
Haha so r/MGTOW, I see. Well, if your dream is to die without children that know you, go ahead.

>>33823295
>Muh projection
You need to get off r*ddit and go outside once in a while if you don't think there is an abundance of absolutely miserable men making their entire lives performances to keep around a woman barely at their own level. I mean fuck me man, I know this one guy whose fiancee brought me back to their apartment at 3 am to try and cheat with me (swerved her because I'm not a homewrecker), when I saw them together IRL the dude was treated like a whipping boy. While that's not all women, that's at least 40% from my observations.
If I said "lame performative relationship in which you'll be obliged to be her personal servant, financer, and entertain her" instead of the PUA jargon which you understood in 0.5 seconds, would that have been better.

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>>33823424
>Haha so r/MGTOW
Are you so brainrotted you need to put everything in the context of internet neologisms?

>>33822445
>If you're going to complain, you need to answer the question: exactly how many death threats should a woman be required to receive in order to protect your precious feelings?
if i haven't been untoward then it doesn't matter if it's infinity death threats. punish and block each individual according to what they've done, not what anyone else has done

>>33823424
>>33823447
Also this is a strawman anyway, because being a phenom is independent of relationships. If you've got legitimate skills and mastery of a field and it's brought some kind of material dividend to your life, that will make you more attractive anyway.
I never said I wanted to die without children, I'm just ok doing so if it comes down to it because I'm a man, not a woman or a boy.

>>33823479
You can go and master the art of the blade, I'll be over here having sex.

>>33822702
>in 1999, dating required initiative and effort in real life. If you met someone, you actually had to talk, call, or see them again. In 2025 most interactions happen through apps or social media where attention spans are shorter, options are infinite, and people can vanish mid-conversation because there’s no social cost.
people used to get "ghosted" in 1999 as well when people wouldn't pick up the phone, have their roommate or parents say that they're not there and delete whatever they left on their answering machine.
Also in 1999 there were these things called bars and raves and parties where people would go to potentially hook up instead of swiping at a computer.

Of course it was mostly the attractive and popular & charismatic people who would get the most success - sound familiar?

>>33823436
>If I said "lame performative relationship in which you'll be obliged to be her personal servant, financer, and entertain her" instead of the PUA jargon which you understood in 0.5 seconds, would that have been better.
K, but how does that negate what I said here >>33823210 ?

Looking for a woman with consistency is by definition antithetical to the archetype of a simp, since it involves selecting for qualities that most of the dating pool do not possess. Would a tail-wagging, Cancun-trip-funding simp do that?

>>33823574
You're not refuting my point by using a recycled version of your first poor argument. I'm ghosting you unless you respond with something new anon.

>>33823595
nothing you said has addressed my point that the dynamics are the same.

Most people prefer attractive popular, and charismatic people. Loners and nerds have a harder time. Chad and Stacey have the whole world at their disposal.

The internet didn't create that, and it didn't change it either way.

>>33823721
If you believe we are simply talking past each other, then here’s my point in brief: dating has dramatically changed, and technology has been a big factor in that.
Other people have already pointed it out >>33823263

So yeah, the Internet did in fact create that (and changed it along the way). Unless you refute all the evidence presented in studies related to dating apps and social media, I suggest you stay put.

>>33823797
>>33823263

>it has completely changed
>it has dramatically changed
zoomers are worse at dating, but dating is still the same.

Honestly don't blame social media or dating apps for the reason why you were raised by 4chan or epic youtube memes

>>33821982
>want to become a professional football player
>go to practice every day? No, leave a few days in between

This is how regarded you sound

>>33823466
You are so dumb it hurts.

>>33823820
Still not addressed my point as I expected. Why don’t you address my point?

You can keep saying that you disagree with me, but only I presented actual evidence. Why are you not doing the same?

>>33822778
>There's a thousand situations where this might happen to a man.
How many rape threats do you receive in an average year?

>>33823828
NTA but you should take rest days, no one's out there training and competing 7 days a week

>>33823845
>only I presented actual evidence
No you didn't

>>33823858
>>33823263

>>33823870
>there are documentaries and studies out there, somewhere
that is not presentation of evidence

>>33822574
I think if I answer this question generally, It'll be too much too wide, so I will answer about me personally:

In no particular order, this is how my week looks like and how many women are present in every event I do:

Salsa lesson and Bachata lesson ~ 30 women
Acting group ~ 15 women
Two Choirs ~ 30 women
School clubs (I attend 3 clubs a week) ~ 30 young fertile ladies

Weekends I go on hikes, and social meetups of all kinds, so that's another 20-30 fresh women that I don't know, depending on the type of event.

All in all I meet a fuckload of ladies weekly cuz I go to hobbies where consistent ladies are present and I also go to all types of random events where new random ladies are present and also my school clubs have a lot of ladies that come and they always rotate plus I always go to different clubs so the ladies rotate even more.

And this is coming from a guy who, just 2 months ago in August, I was sitting at home and nothing was happening, but I decided to change that and now I'm constantly outside meeting people so honestly I'm starting to relax a little bit and like expect less from ladies but also calm down my expectations. And like, when I meet a nice lady - then I want to talk to her. Then I try something with her.
So far nothing's worked out but I did try and I did get experience and girl-friends, and now alot of the stuff people write here like being super awkward about asking girls out and stuff is much less scary to me, because when I'm around a nice person I want to keep them around me so I see asking a woman to hang out simply because she's a nice person as something normal.

Tomorrow I'm going on a hike with a girl I met at a medieval festival. I was there for 2 days, second day my friend left me, and I decided to stay alone, that's when I met her and we danced for 4 hours together til the end of the event, then I asked her if she wants to hang out cuz she's a nice person&she said yes&now nearly a month later we're meeting for a hike.

>>33823721
>Most people prefer attractive popular, and charismatic people.

What you meant was:

>women are EXCLUSIVELY attracted to tall, muscular, blonde, blue eyed men with huge cocks.

>>33823858
>no u
Concession accepted.

>>33823903
lmao, this was me when I met my wife 10 years ago. just a few weeks into the relationship I stopped all the nonsense and kept only hobbies which don't take so much effort like going to the movies. It is ridiculous what modern society requires you to do to get a partner. Might as well jump through burning hoops.

Smartphone “phubbing” (ignoring a partner to look at one’s phone) is linked to lower relationship satisfaction and higher depression (Roberts & David, 2016, Computers in Human Behavior; ScienceDaily).
• Smartphone overuse correlates with relationship conflict and reduced psychological comfort, especially when one partner feels neglected (MDPI, 2023).
• Attachment studies show that people with anxious attachment styles are more prone to problematic smartphone and social media use, which can replace emotional intimacy (BMC Psychology, 2023).
• Dating app users report being less satisfied with their relationship status than non-users, likely due to choice overload and comparison effects (Radboud University, 2024).
• Surveys also find that excessive smartphone use weakens romantic relationships—66% of married participants reported negative effects (Economic Times, 2022).

>>33823957
I think you’re getting ghosted after posting these sources.

>>33823957
>>33823969
>being on smartphone bad

this isn't proof that "dating has changed"

>>33823916
>>women are EXCLUSIVELY attracted to tall, muscular, blonde, blue eyed men with huge cocks.
yeah nevermind the global popularity of short skinny brown eyed dancing koreans with questionable penis sizes
and blacks

The dating market didn't change. Women have always been attracted to Chad. What changed is the efficiency of the dating market. In the past, when women wanted to fuck Chad, they'd have to go to a bar and hang out and wait for Chad to approach them. This was a very inefficient, time consuming method, forcing them to settle for non-Chads. In 2025, women don't need to do this anymore. When they want Chad cock, they just go on social media, scroll down a bit, and message some random Chad "wanna fuck?" Chads from all over are now available to women. This is also why 25% of bars in Ireland have closed in the past 2 years. They simply aren't necessary for dating dynamics anymore.

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>>33823946
well thanks for sharing brother and desu I do these hobbies yes to meet a lady, but it also helps me in becoming a better person
I believe the two are interconnected
to quote maslow's hierarchy of needs (pic related)
having love and intimacy is part of reaching self actualization, which is feeling whole, like you're "you" and you express yourself.
I think that you'll always be lacking if you neglect either love OR belonging, the hobbies helps me feel a sense of belonging because I have my people in my hobbies who I love (and I don't have family where I live), and the gf will help me to feel love. Both of which are needed to TRULY reach self-actualization.
So I agree with you that you need to do so much to get a lady nowadays, but I also never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever want to reach the point I was in when my ex of 5 years (who I moved countries for) cheated on me and left me completely alone.
therefore I will do my best to not drop my hobbies, and remain an interesting and attractive person even when I do find my future gf. Cuz I don't want to settle, I want to have a good relationship. I want to feel like someone's first pick, I want to feel like that person loves me truly, I want to know that if that person leaves - I have the support network to support me through that process. That way the relationship will be more healthy.
Two attractive people who CHOOSE to be with each other is way fucking better than two people who feel like they need each other out of necessity.
And honestly girls fall in the "attractive and unbothered" category way more often in my experience, so fuck that shit, I'm going to become attractive to someone, then stay attractive. And if she decides to be an unattractive and needy bitch that's fine - but I won't let go of my attractiveness factor, because I want to be desired and know I have options and know that losing her doesn't mean the end of the world.
I am fully disillusioned and I will not become complacent again.

>>33824058
>only Chad has sex
no

>>33821869
I'm having no trouble dating. You just need to abandon all the feminist horse shit of the social media era. Women still very much look for stable masculinity. They test it, they want to destroy it, but if you hold it, they all behave appropriately. Women individually and collectively play wild mind games that will fuck you over as a man. It'd be like if every man was telling women how much they love flat chests and flat asses and women started believing them. Just don't listen to them and that's step 1 of being the sort of masculinity they gravitate to and test. A woman will walk into a restaurant and say "I demand a plate of shit!" Your job as a man is to bring her the steak.

They also like being treated mildly like shit and the key thing is being just enough of an asshole that you aren't boring, but not so much of an asshole that you wreck them. You have to tease them and fuck with them right up until you have sex with them and then after that, you can be all lovely dovey. That's how it goes. It has actually been like this for a while, but social media has changed the game and whipped all these girls into a frenzy which means they're going to come for your manhood harder than ever. The game is still the same though. It's still at its core: hold a masculine frame and tease them until you guys hook up and then drop the shit, because after a woman sleeps with you she gets addicted to you anyway.

As someone who knows the game, I assure you it's still very much the same. You still open, you still tease, you still wait until you get some signs she's into you, you still wait for the moment to initiate the kiss, and so on and so on. It's all basically the same now as it ever has been.

>>33824168
>They also like being treated mildly like shit and th
walking up to a cute girl reading a book and being like
hey nice ass, RETARD

>>33824065
Retarded triangle

>>33824187
Lol I told a girl with a tattoo above her eyebrow
>so how many missed ballet recitals brought that one on
I thought it was hilarious. I still do, but it was just a tad too much on the asshole/mean spirited side for that girl.

>>33821869
My experience (and I'm in my heart of hearts not trying to demotivate you or anyone else reading this) is that women will give you this kind of treatment to some degree almost solely depending off of how good looking we are. When you're physically attractive you can say whatever. You can do almost whatever within reason. If communication stops and you don't message her at all after your last mutual exchange she'll eventually text you up again after some time if she's interested in you (it sounds obvious but apparently not to a lot of autists reading this).

It boils down to looks. Looks will make you visible out of the crowd of background characters. Looks will open the door to approaching. Looks will make it possible for you to have a conversation. Looks will intrigue her and capture her attention. Looks will turn her on and make sex much more effortless for both of you. Looks will make you bearable to her when life is tough. Looks will make it easier to forgive you.

Anyone with a life who's actually lived and been to parties, clubs, dinners, get-togethers, etc. have witnessed this first hand. It's actually undeniable as far as I'm concerned. People say that dating apps are an anomaly but that isn't true in my experience. In fact, it can be even more brutal irl.

This doesn't go to say that it's over and that you're ugly, no potential, etc. I'm not getting the same amount of success when I'm overweight with ungroomed hair everywhere and looking borderline sickly. When I brush up however and get my act back together, it's day and night difference. If you were to go based off of attention, reciprocity, ceiling etc., it's not even another level but a different world or dimension altogether. Just because of the way I look. And it applies to all of us. It sucks, but it is. It's something we have to contend with. We are reduced to our superficial display and mental image in the minds of others.

>>33824075
Only Chad gets laid, but Chad can be a lot of different things. Chad isn't necessarily buff, or rich, or an athlete, or white, or black. Chad could be a stoner who puts girls at ease and knows how to hang with them. Chad could be a sad pretty boy with artsy pretensions. Chad could be a broccoli haired gymrat. Chad could be a bluecollar guy with a throat tattoo and a motorcycle.

People need to find their own way toward becoming attractive in both women's eyes and their own. Confidence happens when you think you're sexy.

>>33824450
>Chad is meaningless, actually
No, Chad has always been the top of the top - athletic and good looking and popular. Literally the captain of the football team who gets to bang the prom queen.

Some emo goth kid or stoner bro or even quirky chungus redditor may be at the top of their own domains and getting their own girls no problem, but they're still medium fish in small ponds.

and honestly there's nothing wrong with that, I had better luck & relationships in alternative circles than I ever did trying to fit into normieland and compete with actual Chad,

>>33824536
I guess what I'm saying is that isn't going to be as appealing to members of subcultures as the kings of those particular subcultures. And I'd argue that society is mostly fractured into subcultures.

Athletic prom king Chad isn't going to have much luck with the rabid fans of kpop boys who wear lipstick and nail polish.

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>>33823903
Wow, this is actually enlightening. I must do this.
How old are the women in these groups, typically? I am 20 and would like a girl my age.
My hobbies include drawing—so obviously I should go to a drawing class. But these are quite so very expensive, at least in my country. How much are you paying? Is anything free? But if nothing else, I am willing to shell over some cash.
Can't go to school clubs though since I work full time on a solitary night job, so I never see any women.

>>33824551
> And I'd argue that society is mostly fractured into subcultures.
Not really, way less so then it used to be. Nearly all the big goth clubs and punks scenes and metalhead bars from decades ago have closed up, same with underground rave scenes and big music festivals specifically for punk or metal.
However those "everything" music festivals are bigger than ever with like whatever zoomers rapper being on the same stage as fuckin Foo Fighters or something with Blink 182 also there alongside Bad Bunny or whatever.

And with gaming & anime being more mainstream and popular than ever before, it's just one big giant pot of watered down normie where one shirtless twitch-streaming dude is at some EDM concert one day, at the gym the next day, and after that he's streaming whatever video games or reacting to anime. Same with his almost-shirtless female counterpart who's such a self-described epic nerd when she's not listening to taylor swift or vibing with her 50 000 instagram followers.
>the rabid fans of kpop boys who wear lipstick and nail polish.
I'm not one to shit talk other subcultures but have you seen what those ghouls actually look like? Especially in the west.

>>33824011
Now you’re just putting your head in the sand or playing wordgames. Anon, if a conversation is so stressful for you that you don’t want to admit you were wrong, this website might not be for you.

>>33824621
I'm not wrong. Just because there's new technology that adds more extremes in the dynamics of dating doesn't mean that they've completely changed.

Back in the day, people would just watch cable TV or pretend to read a magazine if they wanted to ignore their partners - and cheating was way easier since there was no digital paper trail you would just go to the nearest bar on every strip mall and street corner.

>>33824675
Dating apps just made the dynamics that was always there more transparent. Most of the "social nonsense" got filtered out and people are left to act (swipe) how they actually feel. Nothing changed.

>>33824708
>Most of the "social nonsense" got filtered out
what's that?

>>33824715
Pretending to be intrigued (being polite), pretending to not be superficial, social back and forth, etc.

before yall project, im a virgin. i know what moids are like because they admit it

>>33821869
funny how when a woman is abused it's "choose better men" as if moids arent all the same, but when a moid is inconvenienced...

>>33824675
Cope.

>>33824729
>Pretending to be intrigued (being polite), pretending to not be superficial, social back and forth, etc.
you still gotta do that on apps and social media though, especially when you meet up IRL for an actual date.

>>33824675
Technology completely changed the “mating market.” Instead of 20 possible matches in your social circle, you can now access thousands — which alters mate selection dynamics and expectations. Denying this is futile.

>>33821869
Women ditch you when you're too available and predictable also the more you talk to them and the more you share in common with them the less interesting and mysterious you become. It's happened multiple times with me, the more you bond the more they pull back, it's fucked.

I'm pretty new to dating as I spent my 20's focusing on my career and building my home but what I've come into now is a nightmare. I envy previous generations, I see old couples together and they've probably been together for like 50 years, it's unimaginable to me, unobtainable in this current world.
Women are broken, their brains are fried by constant validation on social media and their (usually single) friends constantly telling them "you can do better" "you deserver a man who makes 150k a year" ect

>>33824752
Yes but you've already filtered out for attraction. It's like with a party where there are 40 girls and 40 guys but only 3-4 of the guys are really visible to the women and the other 36 are a nuance and in the way and they would rather not have them there in the first place but they have to keep the act up because we live in a society. Long sentences.

>>33824765
>Instead of 20 possible matches in your social circle
how do you only have 20 possible matches in your social circle?

>you can now access thousands — which alters mate selection dynamics and expectations. Denying this is futile.
except this was already happening 25+ years ago

>>33824770
>only 3-4 of the guys are really visible to the women and the other 36 are a nuance and in the way
what about the girls

>>33824814
It's the reverse. 3-4 of the girls are invisible to the guys and it's usually because they're fat (not fat-shaming just being honest). Men are just programmed to fuck, it's awful.

>>33824853
>only 3-4 girls out of 40 are fat
what decade or strange exotic culture are you living in anon

>>33824866
Scandinavia. I rarely see overweight women in theirs 20s, even to this day.

>>33824805
>how do you only have 20 possible matches in your social circle?
20 possible matches is a low figure for you? wow, you must be very tall, and/or white. I have 0 possible matches because girls dislike me for my height (5ft2) plus I'm indian

>>33824954
>height (5ft2) plus I'm indian
That is brutal anon, I'm so sorry. I always do what I can to strongman short guys irl and wing their way to success with women. I sincerely wish you the best of luck.

>>33824954
>my height (5ft2) plus I'm indian
Damn man, I guess it really can be worse, but just know that we're all suffering and with enough effort we can ALL make it. I saw an Indian guy with a Dutch girl just because he was a really funny charismatic guy with good English and probably had a great job too
You can do it!!
t. 5'7 iraqi jew (white thankfully)

>>33824917
I feel you dude, I live in the Netherlands, everyone's fucking hot, and I'm an overweight male, I think that just excludes me from the dateable club entirely

being short in 2025 is a death sentence really.

>>33824805
Your argument is weak and misses my point.
>how do you only have 20 possible matches in your social circle
This nitpicks my illustrative number rather than the argument. I didn't literally mean 20, obviously. I meant a smaller, finite and localized number of potential partners. You should get checked for autism methinks.

>except this was already happening 25+ years ago
Online dating was not mainstream in the 90s and 00s. After smartphones and social media, the scale exploded. How many people do you think used online dating in 1998 versus 2025? Cite a source.
If it was already the same 25 years ago, why did sociologists and researches describe the smartphone era as transformative?

Pick one: (A) My claim is wrong because I exaggerated the number, (B) My claim is wrong because online dating was already equivalent 25 years ago, or (C) You don’t have evidence and are just disputing phrasing. Which is it?

>>33824333
>I thought it was hilarious.
Really?

>>33826073
Shed the weight, your life will improve tenfold.

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>>33821869
>women anything in 2025
Nobody tell him

>>33821869
people are still bothering with these shitshows? Finding a creative hobby would be my advice, its fulfilling

>>33824011
There’s no stronger evidence of low IQ than the inability to extrapolate to higher order effects
>smartphones are influencing social interactions in a negative way
>Dating is a social interaction
>Therefore smartphones are negatively influencing dating
It’s called “deductive reasoning,” look into it.

>>33824168
>muh masculine frame
A more likely explanation is that you’re a double digit IQ normie
I don’t have that chart but you’re literally 3x as likely to have had your first sex before me, going off your IQ (probably 90ish) vs my IQ (verified 135)

>>33824450
Is right and you >>33824536 are wrong
I’ve seen it myself. A 6’3” Harvard rowing team banker who would have no trouble picking up Stacie’s at a DC cocktail party would absolutely strike out at let’s say, a rave
In fact, in my experience the men who get laid the most are the ones that regress to the mean - they have shitty tattoos, the same shitty taste in music, know all the same shitty shows like Love Island and know about Labubus and shit. The exceptional top 1% types get locked down pretty quickly and can’t really even do that much sleeping around.

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>>33826890
You'll be like that retard who though he was the joker and then literally looked ed from ed, edd & eddy in court like the retarded boy that he is.

>>33826912
People want to cuddle and have sex, anon.

>>33826832
I'm really trying brother.. I'm really trying.
40 pounds down, 40 pounds to go

>>33823903
this honestly sounds exhausting. not just carving out time for these clubs but having to ingratiate yourself to so many people. and it won't take long for them to realize you're a fraud and a boring person in reality.

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>>33821869
Dude, dating apps are total bullshit. With dating services, both parties are necessarily trying to impress one another, ie they're not in their natural environment with their guard down. Posturing is name of the game, and when one thinks they can posture more effectively elsewhere, they will do so on a whim. Hence, the only thing real about dating apps is the sexual intercourse. If you want to e-date, but you want it to be decidedly less Machiavellian, you just need to make friends on any website other than a dating service; that way you'll meet people actually engaging with your hobbies and sharing your interests, rather than simply saying things that may make it likelier for them to receive sex.

>>33827335
Back in the day, nerds fell in love over shitty Sonic OCs on deviantART or dumb fanfiction on Final Fantasy forums. Maybe those specific ways of finding your spouse are no longer relevant, but the best way to meet people on your wavelength will always be to stay on your wavelength.

>>33822329
how do you know

>>33827323
>it won't take long for them to realize you're a fraud and a boring person in reality.
>It's exhausting
Maybe you anon, not me, I'm a genuine guy and I genuinely enjoy the time outside, the interactions, the people and the activities, and most importantly I much prefer it to being home alone. (I live alone in a large studio I rent)

>>33824576
I'm glad you found it useful mate!
In the dancing, acting, and choir, they are 18 to 35 years old, a healthy mix.
In my school clubs, they are all 18 to 23-24 max
I'm paying nothing basically, chips.
The acting group is 90 euros a year, the choir is 90 euros a semester (every half a year), the second choir is 50 euros for the whole several-month project, the dancing is by far the most expensive because It's not a group that does it for fun Its actual lessons, that's 48 euros a month

If you add the cost of all my hobbies and split it monthly, Its 67 euros a month, in dollars thats 78 bucks. For 78 bucks I got 4 out of 5 days of the work week completely booked with fun activities.

if you can't go to school clubs - that's fine mate, I only just started clubs recently. And honestly the best place to meet ladies is in the variable events, the ones I find from meetup.com or from the various whatsapp groups I was added to from those meetups. There you'll meet all ages again from 18 to 35 and even higher, but depends on what you do, and there's ALWAYS things to do.

Also went on the hike with that girl today, it was awesome, I showed her a good time and she's a really lovely girl and super compatible with me, if there's anything she's proven to me Its that I should go to more medieval fantasy festivals because she's essentially a female copy of me. Only problem is she lives quite far and I don't think she's romantically interested, but It's great aura to have a good female friend, maybe one of her other friends ends up being my gf, who knows? we made tentative plans to go metal concert, medieval festivals, & more hikes.

>>33827821
forgot to add - the school clubs are free, and the variable events are usually free and if they aren't free - they cost a minimal, 3-5 euros to participate, which is like 6 bucks

If scrotes had a fraction of the attention women are getting they would act the same if not worse.

>>33827821
NTA but reading this gave me some hope anon. I don't know what it is, but lately being single has been killing me. Like I was fine with it for years and now suddenly I'm crying like a bitch over it (I'm a man btw). I feel so hopeless and stuck but I'm gonna try and put myself out there.

>>33828451
>NTA but reading this gave me some hope anon
<3 much love my man

>Idk what it is, but lately being single has been killing me. I was fine with it for years and now suddenly I'm crying like a bitch over it (I'm a man btw). I feel so hopeless and stuck but I'm gonna try and put myself out there.
I get you. I can't describe through text how much I get you. Being single is the worst, I was cheated on by my ex of 5 years ago who I moved countries for, and I've been alone for a bit over a year now.
Believe it or not I still oscillate between feelings of hopelessness and being stuck, and then hope.
It has definitely, 10000%, unequivocally got better since I started doing things. I'm 29, I'm old as fuck. I'm still a student, my hair has a little bit of receding going on at the sides of my forehead (and that's about as far back as hair goes in my family, we never actually lose our hair). And I'm still overweight, 40 pounds to go. I'm dealing with all these things - and STILL I'm trying.
Trying is ALWAYS the correct option. No matter how bad things are - KEEP TRYING. you will wake up one morning and there will be a morsel of hope, and something to show for it.
I'm now at the point where I'm disillusioned with girls being interested in me, and I've largely reduced my expectations. Part because I know and see that there are many girls out there, and part because I've convinced myself that my weight is the last barrier. Therefore I've deemed myself unfit to get excited over - until I'm at least healthy weight, if not fit.
But I'm never not trying. I carry on. I continue to meet women because even in my current state, maybe one is stupid enough to want an old overweight student because I do have a great personality, at least that's going for me.
You got this brother. I don't know when she's coming, I don't even know IF she's coming, but I know that when I'm trying my chances are higher than 0, how much higher I don't know, but it's enough to know that I must try.

>>33828521
Ex of 5 years, not 5 years ago.
Also another difficulty I forgot to mention is that I'm in the Netherlands, where everyone is fucking healthy weight and a lot of people are fit, and they speak Dutch. I don't have any of those things going for me. 40 pounds is incredibly much here and it's the minimum I have to lose to reach healthy BMI

>>33822445
You are speaking the truth, I'm male and I think it's a very easy concept to grasp, and it's appaling that every single response you got doesn't seem to get it at all, or are being offended. It's a shame the average male has so low EQ. Being able to feel empathy and being able to look at things from others' persepctive is a rare thing nowadays.

>>33826371
>Online dating was not mainstream in the 90s and 00s
It 100% was, you already had mainstream Hollywood romantic comedies with A-list actors about online dating in the 90s.
By 2005 myspace was the biggest social media site in the world and was bought by News Corporation for just over half a billion dollars - and its entire purpose was for teens-25 year olds to hook up with each other. In 2006 it was the single most visited site in the United States.

Either you're too young to have been aware of it, or you were too busy on newgrounds or Sa or WoW or whatever else at the time to have been part of it.

>>33822845
i assume it's womens fault that moids pulled guns on you?
i assume it's womens fault that moids commit over 98% of mass shootings?

>>33828654
>Either you're too young to have been aware of it, or you were too busy on newgrounds or Sa or WoW or whatever else at the time to have been part of it.
Nice shower comeback, but as >>33827104
pointed out, you are retarded. Let's get you to bed, gramps?

>>33828654
>''but le movies''
And Top Gun existing means everyone flies a Tomcat F-14 right?

>>33830056
Women can't shoot guns

>>33830274
le movies are a reflection of popular culture. No one was sitting in the theaters watching meg Ryan romance Tom Hanks through a computer going
>WHAT WHY I DON'T UNDERSTAND, HOW IS HE SENDING HER SOME SORT OF ELECTRONIC MAIL MESSAGE THROUGH THE COMPUTER TELEVISION, IS THIS A STAR TREK SCI FI MOVIE????

and good job ignoring the second half of my post detailing how myspace was one of the most popular and most lucrative websites of the 2000s.

>>33830259
correlation is not causation, and like I said online dating has been a thing since your parent's time.
maybe it's how they met, a couple of emo goofballs on myspace.

>>33828654
You didn't pick one btw, why are you so scared of engaging with what I wrote? I'm feeling like OP here lol pls respond?

>>33830309
>and good job ignoring the second half of my post
Ironic, because >>33830311 and >>33823957

>>33830309
>correlation is not causation
This phrase doesn't mean ''a cause doesn't exist''. It means we have to analyze mechanisms (something we literally did). Smartphones change attention spans, communication norms and partner selection. If you just throw it around like a redditor it makes you sound like you don't have a degree desu.

>>33830311
>>33830322
I already did.
>correlation is not causation

>>33830334
>Smartphones change attention spans, communication norms
of course
>and partner selection.
nonsense.
what/how has it changed about partner selection?

>>33830351
You literally just asked ''how has technology changed partner selection’' I already told you. Algorithms on dating apps prioritize looks, messages are shorter, attention spans are lower, communication is more superficial, women get an endless supply. That’s exactly how technology changed partner selection.

Also
>repeating ''correlation is not causation''
This spell is doing 0 damage nerd. Either engage by pointing out why it isn't causation or recant.

>>33821921
>>33821934
>>33821966
Samefag ragebaiter

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>>33830383
>Algorithms on dating apps prioritize looks
Look have always been a priority, unless you want to go back centuries when marriage and reproduction was done purely out of pragmatic necessity with whoever wasn't dead yet.

You can easily look at 1950s-40s pop culture like pic related and how the archetypes of Nerds vs Jocks was already a social issue back then. Dating apps did not create the importance of looks when trying to date.

> women get an endless supply
It's not an endless supply, the internet is not creating more people than there actually are IRL. Unless you're talking about the billion Indians getting imported each year to every country. That's your endless supply of men on the internet.

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>>33821869
I'm just about done bros

>>33822672
What? You didn’t get the memo? All women are Jews now

>>33828654
No it wasn't. I online dated in the 2000s and that was frowned upon. It was far from mainstream. It started to get adopted by people which is also why there may be movies from thast time. Those were made because it was an unusual topic.

>>33830452
look at that nigga on the right. pure natty. love to see it.
>the internet is not creating more people than there actually are IRL
eh, there are bots and fake profiles which people think they are real. a girl is gonna see 500 likes and think 500 guys actually like her. in reality even if 95% of them are real, still.

>>33830056
>i assume it's womens fault that moids commit over 98% of mass shootings?
You are one dumb biological male. No one ever said it was "womens fault," just that the world is a dangerous place and women need to either accept it while trying to live like men (i.e. "liberated"), or we go to a system like Sharia where you get all the protection you want but can't leave the house without a male relative and covering your body.

>>33830452
>unless you want to go back centuries when marriage and reproduction was done purely out of pragmatic necessity with whoever wasn't dead yet
NTA but yes, that would be nice
>It's not an endless supply, the internet is not creating more people than there actually are IRL
No offense but you're kind of dumb if you don't see the problem that instead of the 100 or so men from her village, women can chat up and get attention/validation/sex from millionaires in other countries.

>>33821869
Dating has never been easier. You meet women outside and online, they can literally be taking a shit while hitting you up.

>>33831366
>idiot contrarian who wants to be contrarian for contrarianism's sake

>>33830452
Saying women don’t have an endless supply because ‘the internet doesn’t create more people’ is like saying Netflix doesn’t have more movies because they already existed on VHS. The difference is the access, that is how supply chains work. You literally argued that famine doesn’t exist because there’s enough food for everyone (there is) and it not reaching them is irrelevant.

>>33831423
No. That’s reality. Never been easier, you have more access than ever before. You bitching about it doesn’t change how easy it is

>>33831481
Not true. Girls are not interested in dates anymore. Just validation. Gen Z is not having sex.
If you are not Gen Z I don’t want your opinion btw crusty ah unc.

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Yes this is normal nowadays

Everyone is a narcissist and follows the same cycle

>>33831498
That’s an incel take.
If you are old your opinion doesn’t apply.
If you are young your opinions doesn’t matter. Loser mentality

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>>33831526
he's telling the truth while you're delusional lol

10% of the men are doing all the fucking

>>33831540
This has always been the case.

>>33831521
good pic. I've mastered 1. 2. and 3.
working on 4. now

>>33831686
it doesn't work on women

because they are better narcissists themselves

also kys cluster B demon

>>33831750
>it doesn't work on women
it does, however target selection is yet another skill to master

>>33831793
no it doesn't lol

keep thinking you're a pua master though after seeing one infograph. I only wish I can be there when you crash and burn so I can laugh at your face

>>33831636
not as much. Before social media became mainstream, when girls wanted to have sex, they'd have to go out and spend time in social settings, bars, clubs, etc, waiting to run into chad. this took time and effort. Now they can just open instagram/facebook and message chad "wanna fuck?" it takes them 5 mins tops. Chads have bigger harems than ever. bars and clubs are closing down everywhere because they became redundant.

its a pity really, I go out all the time, and bars and clubs used to be so fun. they've changed a lot. even 10-15 years ago they'd be full of people having fun, just vibing together. 15 years ago it was completely normal to approach random people at bars/concerts/hobbies in general and just have fun with them. great way to make friends and meet girls. now people go to these places to hang out with people they already know. if you approach people they immediately get defensive and ask "what the fuck do you want? I'm here with my friends" and after 2 or 3 failed attempts security will ask you to leave. shit sucks. all socialization is done online now on instagram and tik tok. approaching IRL is completely dead now, unless you're chad ofc

>>33827139
Your seething is palpable.

If you are using dating apps or social media you are participating in a Jewish circus. Now you can pretend to be the best gladiator, who is strong and mighty above all the rest, and therefore doesn’t suffer the problems this circus imposes on everyone else… or you can join the discussion about why this system is inherently destructive to the dating world and society.

>>33831884
>Before social media became mainstream, when girls wanted to have sex, they'd have to go out and spend time in social settings, bars, clubs, etc, waiting to run into chad. this took time and effort.
A. Girls like that.
Unlike all the antisocial schizoid who look at dating and having a social life as some sort of ordeal, girls enjoy the process of going out.

B. If they're hot enough to attract Chad online in 5 minutes, they have no problem doing so at a bar as well.

>even 10-15 years ago they'd be full of people having fun, just vibing together. 15 years ago it was completely normal to approach random people at bars/concerts/hobbies in general and just have fun with them. great way to make friends and meet girls. now people go to these places to hang out with people they already know. if you approach people they immediately get defensive and ask "what the fuck do you want? I'm here with my friends" and after 2 or 3 failed attempts security will ask you to leave.
that's just you being old and no longer being a cool 20 year old

>>33831313
>I online dated in the 2000s and that was frowned upon. It was far from mainstream.
frowned upon by who? Your weird parents? Myspace didn't become the most popular website on the internet in the 2000s by doing nothing and appealing to no one.
>>33831341
>eh, there are bots and fake profiles which people think they are real. a girl is gonna see 500 likes and think 500 guys actually like her. in reality even if 95% of them are real, still.
yeah and guys see plenty of fake profiles for girls.

But the entire incel cope is that "woman (now) have an unlimited supply of men to date"
They physically don't.

>>33831363
>No offense but you're kind of dumb if you don't see the problem that instead of the 100 or so men from her village, women can chat up and get attention/validation/sex from millionaires in other countries.
realistically, most aren't doing that. The average woman isn't going out of her way to date a millionaire uzbekistani. Only really desperate weirdos with a foreigner fetish fall for the LDR meme. People still date locally within their city/area/postal code.

>>33832549
>that's just you being old and no longer being a cool 20 year old
NTA but this is patently false. Nightlife in my country has been steadily dying out since 2019 and it has also lost its social dimension of meeting new people. If you don't believe me, I'll just copypaste some news headlines you can run through google translate that illustrate my point better than your snarky act.

>>33821869
I’m 25 and have never dated someone who wasn’t already my friend for at least a year first. The idea of “going on dates” before “going steady” is completely alien to me. I just hang out with a bunch of people, keep track of who’s single and who’s not, treat everyone like I’m there to have a good time and not to bang, and let something happen if it happens. I’m not even a physically attractive or particularly charming guy, but getting to already know someone in a neutral and friendly context can get sparks flying over time. It also protects you from getting into a relationship with someone with 0 mutual interests.
I think I would lose it if I actually had to navigate dating apps.

>>33832576
I think the idea that you’re treated like a psycho rapist by default for approaching people in public is pretty overblown, but there is definitely far more awkwardness and unwillingness to talk to strangers in a public setting. I’ve struck up convos at bars and cafes, but it was definitely not the norm, and it was often with other men.
I think the last time I had a sincere, pleasant convo with a stranger in public was at an anime convention. Even there it seems like the vibe’s shifted since I was a teenager. Everyone kinda blows you off after you take cosplay photos.

>>33832576
>NTA but this is patently false.
You don't think that the anon there being 15 years older than the young people he used to hang out with 15 years ago has something to do with it? It's the fault of social media, again?

Also
>15 years ago it was completely normal to approach random people at bars/concerts/hobbies in general and just have fun with them. great way to make friends and meet girls.
Not really no. Who the fuck is trying to make friends at a bar? Imagine being on the other side of that fence where you're out hanging out with your group of friends and suddenly some guy walks over all HI!!! :DDDDD trying to wiggle his way into your group out of nowhere.
>now people go to these places to hang out with people they already know. if you approach people they immediately get defensive and ask "what the fuck do you want? I'm here with my friends" and after 2 or 3 failed attempts security will ask you to leave.

lol @ you being kicked out, you're clearly doing something you're not aware of. Also it's always been standard to go out with at least one friend at a bar or night club when you're trying to hook up. You said so yourself, everyone is there with their friends and so you should be doing the same. You can still flirt with girls and buy them drinks etc but then fact that you're there with friends or a group of friends shows that you're not some sort of serial killer or giga rapist or something.

You can also of course approach women by yourself, but there's ways to do it. I've never been kicked out of bars.

>>33832569
Yeah, and people still eat food locally, doesn’t mean Uber Eats didn’t change eating habits.
Also my challenges in >>33830322 are still open. You did not specify your point about correlation vs causation, you merely repeated it. You also did not address >>33831474 in which I lay out what a supply chain is and how it applies here. You can take another few hours to respond if you want.

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>>33832609
>You don't think that the anon there being 15 years older than the young people he used to hang out with 15 years ago has something to do with it? It's the fault of social media, again?
I gave you the reason (nightlife dying out in my country), you ignored it and continued the snark. As promised, here's a headline from 2019.

>>33832615
>Uber Eats didn’t change eating habits.
well not really. Instead of driving out to the fast food place, or their chinese restaurant having a dedicated delivery driver, it's just done through an app where they deliver wahtever to you.

Uber Eats didn't create entirely new eating habits, there isn't a "an endless supply of food for women" as the argument goes for dating apps and social media.

>dumb Netflix VHS analogy
even Netflix doesn't have unlimited movies on it, nor would you want to watch all the crap that's on there.

The biggest argument was that that women have an endless unlimited supply of men (that all live up to their standards) thanks to the magic of dating apps.

They don't. They have a limited access to Indians and fake bot profiles. They're still limited by the real-life physical realities of where they live and how many people live around them.

>supply chain
what are you talking about now, move those goalposts back

>>33832629
>look at the headline
only fools get their information from headlines.

Post the actual article.

>>33832609
>Who the fuck is trying to make friends at a bar?
At least 10% of the people there throughout the entire history of drinking culture spanning back to ancient Mesopotamia. You’re supposed to be getting to know people better, playing pool and darts with them, striking up convos, buying them beers, etc. One of the bartender’s roles is to act as the mediator in these interactions or (in the worst case) to act as a surrogate friend.

>>33832635
>well not really. Instead of driving out to the fast food place, or their chinese restaurant having a dedicated delivery driver, it's just done through an app where they deliver wahtever to you.
K... thanks for proving my point, I guess?

You just described a total behavioral shift and then said it’s not a shift. Apps changed dating the same way Uber Eats changed eating. Same end goal, completely new mechanics, expectations, and addictions.

>>33832635
>Uber Eats didn't create entirely new eating habits
There are actually significant social and health implications to being able to summon a courier with the press of a button to get almost any food or product you want hand delivered. Some good, most bad.

>>33832637
Haha like the ones in >>33823957 you casually dismissed? I'm not letting you get away with this, either you engage with what was already posted or admit you can't refute what was posted.

>>33832654
>At least 10% of the people there
what numerology RNG generator did you pull that from?
People go to bars to hang out with their own friends, try get laid with strangers, or to get away from their bitch wife and other problems at home.

Never once in all my time at bars did I ever go out thinking "oh boy!!! I sure hope that tonight I can make a very cool friend!"

>>33832656
>You just described a total behavioral shift
I didn't. I said that instead of driving out to McDonalds, you get the McDonalds driven out to you.

>>33832663
and before that it would be several buttons, you would dial up the restaurant and place your order via phone, instead of the app.

>>33832665
those aren't actual articles, just the headlines once again.

You'd rather spent hours everyday playing debate instead of looking for a gf.

Like I said earlier "being on smartphone bad" isn't proof that dating has C H A N G E D or that women have now an unlimited supply of men or that women didn't care about appearances until 2017

>>33832679
>what numerology RNG generator did you pull that from?
I’m sorry I don’t back up my rhetorical guestimation with peer-reviewed sources.
>try get laid with strangers, or to get away from their bitch wife and other problems at home
You often do both of these things by talking to people and striking up a rapport. This can lead to friendships, believe it or not.

>>33832690
>and before that it would be several buttons, you would dial up the restaurant and place your order via phone, instead of the app.
This used to be limited to Chinese and pizza joints mostly. You couldn’t summon a guy to bring you a socket wrench and a pint of ice cream on command before. Now think about what this does to people’s habits when everyone can do this whenever they want.

>>33832736
>You often do both of these things by talking to people and striking up a rapport. This can lead to friendships, believe it or not.
I mean I'm trying to explain to you, and possibly other anons, why you get weird looks and cold reactions when trying to approach groups of friends by yourself at bars. Especially a bar full of younger people with you being 15+ years older than them.

If it's some small town pub or one of those hole in the wall 5-seaters in Tokyo where you see the same 60 year olds every weekend - sure - they'll be glad to be your friend. They're probably even more lonely than you.

Bars are the last place I would go looking to make friends.

>>33832690
>I didn't. I said that instead of driving out to McDonalds, you get the McDonalds driven out to you.
Bro proudly explaining my point for me while denying it the next sentence. ''We don't walk to food anymore, it comes to us, but nothing changed!'' Weak argument, and therefore:
>point still not addressed
Aiaiai...

>those aren't actual articles, just the headlines once again.
Sorry I forgot you only recognize arguments if they're printed on a scroll and hand-delivered by a medieval scribe.

>You'd rather spent hours everyday playing debate instead of looking for a gf.
No need to be butthurt. All you have to do is present better arguments. Want this to be over? Here, I'll make it easy: explain how instant access, convenience, algorithmic matching, and infinity supply (but not literally infinity!) have no influence on dating and why the articles I posted are wrong.

>>33832759
The issue is that you are speaking in absolutes as if it is a bizarre behavior to want to strike up convos at the bar. Nobody is suggesting you worm your way into an established group of 4 people and try to buddy up to them. They are saying that those groups are now the default and singles are much more scarce.

>>33832751
>You couldn’t summon a guy to bring you a socket wrench and a pint of ice cream on command before.
Yeah, they would be called your room mates or parents or husband or whatever. You've never see the show My 600 Lbs life? I started airing back in 2012, maybe it hasn't caught on in Holland yet. These fat fucks were barely able to get out of bed let alone drive down to wal mart so they would have whoever drive around all day buying ice cream and chicken wings for them.

Again, you people are acting like looks being a priority was created by social media in 2017 - and now you're pretending like being obese while eating slop didn't exist prior to 2019.

>>33832779
>Yeah, they would be called your room mates or parents or husband or whatever.
Wow, someone you have a prior social relationship with instead of a complete stranger you are permitted (and encouraged) to never interact with? You’re right, that’s completely the same thing.
>maybe it hasn't caught on in Holland yet
I’m American.

>>33832771
>''We don't walk to food anymore
brother, no one in America was walking to food. They would drive there.
You're acting like someone else doing the driving for them is somehow a radical change that completely subverts the previous system of...

...Americans already being fat.

>explain how instant access, convenience, algorithmic matching, and infinity supply (but not literally infinity!) have no influence on dating and why the articles I posted are wrong.
some things have change, but the pricinples of dating are the same.

People now are still focused on looks as they were 40, or 80 years ago. People now are still mostly landlocked to whoever is immediately around, as they were 40 or 80 years ago.

There is no infinite supply for women, or for men for that matter, and that's your biggest argument.

>>33832791
>Wow, someone you have a prior social relationship with instead of a complete stranger you are permitted (and encouraged) to never interact with? You’re right, that’s completely the same thing.
what does it matter if it's Ranjeet the delivery driver or Karen your roommate bringing McSlop to you? Besides the former being more expensive.

>>33832777
>Nobody is suggesting you worm your way into an established group of 4 people and try to buddy up to them.
That's exactly what the other anon was describing
>now people go to these places to hang out with people they already know. if you approach people they immediately get defensive and ask "what the fuck do you want? I'm here with my friends" and after 2 or 3 failed attempts security will ask you to leave.

>hey are saying that those groups are now the default and singles are much more scarce.
That was always the case, even when girls went out as single and ready to mingle they went out with their ugly friend - or sometimes they were the ugly friend. As a guy too you were expected to have a friend along with you again as some attempt at proof that you're not a serial killer rapist.

If a girl was truly all alone by herself at a bar, she's over the age of 40 and has severe mental problems.

>>33832806
Sit and think about this for a few seconds.

>>33832819
It's cheaper to have your partner/parents/roomies bring it to you, and there's much less risk of it being half-eaten and having been spit into.

>>33832798
Uber Eats rewired eating habits, Netflix rewired entertainment, but swiping through humans magically didn’t rewire dating?
30 years ago, your dating pool was coworkers, classmates, and local bars. Today, one swipe throws hundreds or thousands of potential matches at you, all filtered by preference.
Dating apps that offer convenience, algorithms, and global reach (all things that influence dating behavior in a person) and are all downloadable in the app store (everyone has a smartphone in 2025) but oh well I guess you can't download common sense.


>>33831540
Good graph.
This thread has taught me, however, that autists fail really hard at understanding that the principles of something being similar does not mean dating as a whole is the same.

>>33832826
There's a much more glaring distinction here you're ignoring.

>>33832690
>''i'm NOT gonna read the articles!''
Pussying out already?

>>33832839
Its not an autist lmao, its a troll trying to derail the thread. Everyone knows instagram completely changed the dating market. In 2025 girls won't even date if you don't have a nice Instagram profile with hundreds of followers. Bars and nightclubs are dead because social media made them redundant. Everyone knows this. There's no point in arguing unless you're just trolling.

>>33832848
Never underestimate the lengths the terminally online will go to be right on the internet (except opening articles).

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>no one was dating online before the creation of dating apps in 2018
>myspace? never heard of it, it happened 30 years before I was born, so it doesn't exist
>everyone know that smart phones in 2020 created a magical stream of an endless supply of CHAAAAAAAAADS for women to fuck for all of eternity while they ignore us nice guys
>before the creation of food delivery apps in 2022, Americans were the healthiest people on earth who were all trained as Olympian athletes since birth. Cell Phones created obesity in 2024
>Social Media created women's obsession with appearance in 2026, before 2027 it was impossible for a skinny weirdo or fat loser to be single. Everyone had a hot virgin girlfriend and the world was nothing but rainbows and gum drops.
zoomers have a strange view of the world, like nothing existed prior to the mid-2010s that were the foundations for all of those things that happened afterwards

>>33832910
Why u butthurt? Simply engage with the posts that made you mad or leave lmao.

>>33832910
>everyone know that smart phones in 2020 created a magical stream of an endless supply of CHAAAAAAAAADS for women to fuck for all of eternity while they ignore us nice guys

Change this to 2012-2013 and it's completely correct

Lol
Lmao even

>>33832839
>Uber Eats rewired eating habits, Netflix rewired entertainment,
rewired how?
It's -slightly- more convenient than it was before (arguably more inconvenient now with streaming since you have to have 8.99$ here, 15$ there, 10$ there, 5$ there, when back in the day you would just watch whatever was on TV every week for free and buy the movies on DVD when they came out and own them forever) but it's hardly the civilization-tipping revelation you try and make it seem to be.
like oh no, someone drives the mcdonalds to you for more money instead of you driving out to mcdonalds yourself, meanwhile these people have always been 450 lbs. It at least keeps drunks and stoners and pill poppers off the road potentially.
>30 years ago, your dating pool was coworkers, classmates, and local bars. Today, one swipe throws hundreds or thousands of potential matches at you, all filtered by preference.
>Dating apps that offer convenience, algorithms, and global reach (all things that influence dating behavior in a person) and are all downloadable in the app store (everyone has a smartphone in 2025) but oh well I guess you can't download common sense.
and 20 years ago on myspace you could be doing all that - without the need to pay out the ass for premium tinder. You could be browsing by your postal code within a 5-10-100 KM radius, and message those girls for free.

online dating wasn't created last Tuesday.

>>33832847
go ahead and post them

>>33832848
>In 2025 girls won't even date if you don't have a nice Instagram profile with hundreds of followers.
God forbid that women want proof that you're not a skinwalking loner with 0 friends. 20+ years ago you would've been cringed out just the same for not having a myspace page or MSN messenger.

>>33832941
explain how there's an literal endless supply of men online, Indians aside.

>>33832954
First, you admit dating apps and MySpace give access, convenience, and global reach. This is my point since the beginning. You claiming 'principles are still the same' is futile, because the (trigger warning!) articles that I've posted explain how these things influence dating.

>go ahead and post them
I've already posted multiple articles here. Considering you're in this thread 247 it shouldn't be hard for you to find them.

Also, if MySpace was already mainstream online dating as you claim, why did it vanish so fast? You said it yourself, it was the biggest social media site in the world. What happened?

Are you finally going to man up and engage with the studies I posted?

>>33832969
You were the one who claimed that social media and smartphones facilitated women's access to Chad. I'm simply agreeing with your statement. You're based.

>>33833010
No my newfriend I was repeating other people's talking points, which is why it was written with green meme arrows.

Besides "access to Chad" is moot, le mythical Chad creature already has countless girls orbiting around him online or offline.

>>33833009
>First, you admit dating apps and MySpace give access, convenience, and global reach.
For about 25 years now. Which is why they're nothing new, and they didn't change the principles of dating.

Attractive and popular people have always been attractive and popular, dating apps from last tuesday or dating websites from 25 years ago didn't create that.
You're the ones talking shit about how dating apps place importance on looks, that's always been the case for generations. You don't want to date a fat chick with tattoos and blue hair now and you wouldn't want to date her 40 years ago either.

Same with somehow Chad only being able to get women through smartphones, as if charismatic actors and sportsball millionaires and rock stars didn't have groupies around them for decades as well.

>Also, if MySpace was already mainstream online dating as you claim, why did it vanish so fast? You said it yourself, it was the biggest social media site in the world. What happened?
Facebook is what happened, and Youtube. Websites come and go.
Remember Vine? Probably not.
>Are you finally going to man up and engage with the studies I posted?
I don't think you know what "studies" means.

You've posted headlines of studies. I've dealt with those accordingly several times over already.

>>33833050
>I was repeating other people's talking points
Oh, so instead of making a new statement, you were just agreeing with someone else's? Gotcha, thanks for the clarification

>>33833064
>You've posted headlines of studies. I've dealt with those accordingly several times over already.
By ignoring them?

We can settle this right here, right now: move on from anecdotal evidence and address the scientific findings. I'm not giving your post(s) any further attention until you address the studies I posted >>33823957. Now please, this is getting ugly, either engage, or stay down. If you refuse to do so, l have no other option than to view your claims as abandoned.

>race
>height
>face
it's all that matters
you're probably lacking in one fo those areas

>>33832941
>Change this to 2012-2013 and it's completely correct

in that tiemspan, they were still in the early adopter phase and simply allowed people to chat with each other based on their pictures. No algorithms at all.

Reason is that the companies were coasting off investor money and didn't have to turn a profit yet, their whole task was to create a concept of proof. They succeeded at that, but once they started monetizing by grading people by their chosen subscription tier it all went to shit.

Turns out commodifying human relationships is not possible. As the apps userbase dwindles rapidly and remaining ( over 80% male) users are all unhappy , we are getting closer to the point where the failure of this undertaking has to be openly admitted.

App addled losers will desperately keep bainging the drum though, as those apps only work if they are the default mode of meeting partners since most people wont use that trash unless they are basically forced to by all other modes of flirting being eliminated.

>>33833102
Just go home and grab yourself an arrange marriage jeeta Rakshit. Should have Uber eatsed enough money together to at least afford some fat Dalit chick so you can stop being a browncel.

>>33833172
It won't make you taller, your face sharper or change your race. And these three things are all that matters, OP.

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>>33833097
>until you address the studies I posted >>33823957.
bro those are only headlines, and they even within the headlines they talk of correlation but no causation.

There you go, "studies" have been dealt with - again.

>>33833160
>in that tiemspan, they were still in the early adopter phase
NTA but the early adopters were in the early-mid 90s.
>kiss.com 1994
>match.com 1995
>yahoo personal 1997
even "modern" ones like OkCupid were founded in 2004, PoF in2003, etc.

This thread is full of the copiest of copes about how online dating didn't become mainstream or popular or even didn't exist until like 11 months into 2019 or whatever the random date is in the late 2010s.

>>33833284
>bro those are only headlines
You must be trolling. Fucking retard, lol. The name of the study + university + year of publishing is right next to the headline.
Anyways no engagement with the actual content = you failed the challenge.

>>33833284
>NTA but the early adopters were in the early-mid 90s.

It only really hit off with tinder and most of all the accompanying marketing campaign to make e-dating socially acceptable. I grew up in the 90s, and everyone knew that e-dating was for bottom barrel losers, shut ins, spergs and the disabled exclusively.
The normie wave only came with realy tinder, and now has mostly left again.
The latter is what people who still blab about internet dating are trying to cope. Monetizing it is not possible in the lonegr term, so it is fated to sink back into obscurity and become purely a niche for peope who really can't leave their homes once again.

>>33833414
>The name of the study + university + year of publishing is right next to the headline.
So post them, please.

>>33833418
>I grew up in the 90s, and everyone knew that e-dating was for bottom barrel losers, shut ins, spergs and the disabled exclusively.
Are you the same guy who goes around saying that like only bottom barrel losers, shut ins, spergs and the disabled were into Marilyn Manson - even though he was selling millions of records and headlning MTV award shows and selling out arenas and involved in mainstream Hollywood movies and everything.

People aren't bottom of the barrel losers and all that when they manage to get dates, even if its off the family computer circa 2003. The real losers are the ones who never got to experience the golden years of online dating before everything got turned into pay-to-win apps where the most basic features became paywalled.

>>33833462
>only bottom barrel losers, shut ins, spergs and the disabled were into Marilyn Manson

Lmao what. He was the basic edgy kid fare back when I was a teen. So of course not.

>People aren't bottom of the barrel losers and all that when they manage to get dates, even if its off the family computer circa 2003.

Cope. No one back then would have publically admitted having a profile on one of these things, because it meant admitting that you had given up and consigend yourself to plapjaking with greasy fats who shower twice a month. Everyone can "get a date" (whatever that means ,not a mutt) if you just lower your standards enough. Doesn't make you a non loser.

>The real losers are the ones who never got to experience the golden years of online dating

I as around for that, and while I had a fun summer or two this shit got old real fast. More exciting to meet women IRL, and spares you the completely random toss up with basic bitches and crazies. Real life is infinitely superior alone on the fact that you have already established some base complatibility before you invest so much as a single text into the other person instead of it being a total crapshoot where you know nothign about each other besides them looking vaguely fuckable.

>>33833418
>I grew up in the 90s, and everyone knew that e-dating was for bottom barrel losers, shut ins, spergs and the disabled exclusively.
my guy what did you even do online in the early 00s then, just jack off by yourself?

>>33833489
>Cope. No one back then would have publically admitted having a profile on one of these things, because it meant admitting that you had given up and consigend yourself to plapjaking with greasy fats who shower twice a month. Everyone can "get a date" (whatever that means ,not a mutt) if you just lower your standards enough. Doesn't make you a non loser.
I mean myspace and the other early social media sites and messaging programs. Actual dating sites were for proper middle-aged adults but all the teens and 20something year olds were on early social media like myspace.
Of course there were plenty of emo kids and mallgoths and pop-punkers and all that, but there was also the normiest of normies on there.

>No one back then would have publically admitted having a profile on one of these thing
on myspace? it was like the first or second thing you asked someone when you met them. Same with if they had MSN Messenger.