Everything I do, everything I say, absolutely nothing works to get women to consider me as a potential romantic option.I am 29 years old. Throughout all of high school and college, I didn't ever once receive a single sign of romantic interest from any woman, EVER.What is wrong with me? Am I a leper? Am I a mutant? Why do women show interest in men who are much fatter, shorter, and smellier than me, but never consider ME as an option?
>>33834933post body
>>33834933Same age, same issue. Still a virgin too. Reason is probably our faces.Some of us have unapproachable faces. I have really intimidating resting face that look like I am giving a death stare permanently, plus my eyes are naturally wide and my eyebrows are really down, think like an eagle, plus my jaw looks like it's always clenched when compared to normal people. I have guys looking at me like I'm spooky, some even apologize when I am in the gym or in the super market or whatever for petty little stuff like dropping a bottle near me, blasting workout music, or barely brushing me softly while passing near me, things they shouldn't even apologize for. So you can imagine how girls would feel. I knew it was my face the day I heard from my neighbour who had just moved in at the time that his wife thought I was a thug while I was talking to him one night near his house and was going to call cops. Asked him why, told me it was nighttime and my face looks scary. He was giggling, I wasn't.
>>33835074>Reason is probably our faces.>Some of us have unapproachable faces.Nope.I am not necessarily "hot", but I have a better face than most men I've known who have had girlfriends/long term partners.I've known men who looked like absolute ogres or goblins, and yet still attained girlfriends and dates with ease.It just doesn't make sense. It is like I am cursed.
>>33834933You, as a man, have to take the first step. That's how the world works. Are you intentionally obtuse?
>>33835090How exactly can I take the first step when no women express signs of interest in me?
I'm the same though I've been approached somewhat regularly by women. I got too used to NEET life that engaging with normies is exhausting most of the time.
>>33835081Then maybe your face looks unapproachable in another way.You can have a symmetrical face yet be unapproachable due to your hair, your glasses, the way you sit or walk, they way you carry yourself.Foids especially are weird about what they find approachable or not. You'd find them with ogres like you said, but those ogres have appealed to something in their weird brain.Then you have the fact that self-doubt, just like confidence or bravado, all somewhat radiate out of someone, even if they say nothing.
>>33835090If you think a man who has been ignored all his life will make a move one day out of the blue by himself to risk experiencing humiliation, you're retarded.
>>33835096>How exactly can I take the first step when no women express signs of interest in me?They don't, in the typical case (stfu about "chad"). You must provoke such interest and be prepared for rejection, aloofness, indifference, ridicule, or even attack. ACCEPT that you might get hurt.
>>33835117No, you're the retarded one. "Humiliation" is a risk you must accept.
>>33835127>They don't, in the typical case (stfu about "chad"). You must provoke such interest and be prepared for rejection, aloofness, indifference, ridicule, or even attack. ACCEPT that you might get hurt.>>33835127I can't. I can't accept that.I don't want to ever allow a woman to be in the position to hurt me.
>>33835134That anon is a likely a retarded foid. Disregard her bullshit. No one deserves to "accept" abuse like that. Best thing you can do is change your entire look, fashion, hair. How much do you weigh? Are you overweight or thin?
Congratulations, you are the only man in the history of mankind, the only one in billions over thousands of years, who cannot attract women. Do you want a medal or something?
>>33835096Oh no, it's the "I can't talk to girls because they don't show interest" guy. Move on, everyone. He is a lost cause. He is mentally ill. He does not want a girlfriend and only whines nonstop.
>>33834933>I didn't ever once receive a single sign of romantic interestthis sentence, every time. another signs-of-interest-awaiter.a majority of men never get a single sign yet they eventually get a partner. why is that OP?
>>33834933Idk persona 3 looks very coolHaveny played the games but I always wantedBased pic choice you deserve pussy just for that brother
>>33835795It hasn't aged well. It was nice when it first came out but if you have played P4 and P5 it's disappointing in comparison. The mechanics are clunky and there's a lot of grinding.
>>33834933>height>face>raceYou're lacking in one of those. That's your problem.
>>33835127>ACCEPT that you might get hurt.You're setting him up for failure and abuse. If he *looked* like a model, then women would be all over him. He'd only have to install Tinder and have them fawning over him. But he doesn't and this is the problem.
>>33834933>I didn't ever once receive a single sign of romantic interest from any woman, EVER.How do you know that you understand what all signs of romantic interest from women are?I had no idea women were attracted to until after I got a gf and noticed that that sometimes women looked at me the same way she did occasionally. The signs were always there, I simply had no idea what to look for.But nah, I am sure with your vast experience deeply interacting with women has left you and absolute expert at reading them.
>>33835134>I don't want to ever allow a woman to be in the position to hurt me.Odd way to phrase that you're joining a monastery for life, but you do you man. Chase your bliss.I hear some of them have amazing food.
>>33835096…by expressing interest in her? You are the male, she is the female. Act like it.
>>33834933More than likely that you did get hit on, you just didn't notice because you have self esteem issues.
>>33837589When a woman is into, she'll unambiguously tell you. You won't have to conjure up reasons why she might be into you and delude yourself into seeing "signs". When you have to do this, then it's not unlikely that what she's really after isn't you personally but, perhaps, something that you would provide to her in a relationship.
>>33834933>I am 29 years old. Throughout all of high school and college, I didn't ever once receive a single sign of romantic interest from any woman, EVER.It's time.>>33837516no he's not he's That Guy who refused to talk to girls for 2 decades because he thinks a woman has to show you her pussy first before you're allowed to talk to her.
>>33835134>I don't want to ever allow a woman to be in the position to hurt me.Brother, as a soon to be 30 year old completely dateless virgin you harmed and damaged yoursef a million times worse than you ever could by having a woman tell you that you're not her type or that the vibes were weird
>>33837620>When a woman is into, she'll unambiguously tell you.For a woman to be into you, you need to have some sort of pleasant banter, casual conversation, small talk, or quick exchange of texts.Something that OP categorically refuses to do
>>33837653>no he's not he's That Guy who refused to talk to girls for 2 decades because he thinks a woman has to show you her pussy first before you're allowed to talk to her.You're blaming him for something that he is not at fault for. Then when he *rightfully* hates you for it, you'll condemn him. Pure malevolence. If he had the looks, then all he would have to do is go on an App. The women are going to flock to him, if he has the looks. But, apparently, he doesn't and that's his problem. >>33837682Except you do not need that, at all. When a woman wants you, she'll always laugh at your unfunny jokes.
>>33837708>If he had the looks, then all he would have to do is go on an App. The women are going to flock to him, if he has the looks. But, apparently, he doesn't and that's his problem.Looks aren't enough. You need to be ale to make eye contact with women and exchange words with them - which he refuses to do.Especially if he got into dating apps, he would have to show up at a date and talk to a real life IRL real woman - something he refuses to do.>>33837708>When a woman wants you, she'll always laugh at your unfunny jokes.Right, and you still need to have made unfunny jokes to being with - something that OP refuses to do.I'm not fuckin Adolph Pol Pot Stalin over here with "pure malevolence" (lmao) for pointing out the obvious.This is your first time dealing with him,
>>33837726>Looks aren't enough. You need to be ale to make eye contact with women and exchange words with them - which he refuses to do.Yes, you need to have these *basic* skills. Obviously. But his problem is, as he said, that he is not attractive to women. Not that he's not able to talk to them. And the cause of that is his looks, of course.>Especially if he got into dating apps, he would have to show up at a date and talk to a real life IRL real woman - something he refuses to do.>Right, and you still need to have made unfunny jokes to being with - something that OP refuses to do.When did he say that? You're making things up about OP. >I'm not fuckin Adolph Pol Pot Stalin over here with "pure malevolence" (lmao) for pointing out the obvious.You're being disingenuous with him. Why would you, if not out of malevolence.
>>33837790>Not that he's not able to talk to them.That's exactly what he said.>>33835096>How exactly can I take the first step when no women express signs of interest in me?>>33835134>I can't. I can't accept that.>I don't want to ever allow a woman to be in the position to hurt me.He can't accept talking to women first.
>>33837802No, it's not what he said. He did not say "I cannot talk to women". Neither in the OP nor in the posts that you linked. He will not accept that he has to expose himself to abuse. This is sensible. >How exactly can I take the first step when no women express signs of interest in me?You should not. You should let the women come to you. Use the apps to test that! If they don't come to you, then you're lacking in looks. That's all there is to it.
>>33837826On the matter of "making the first move" he replied>I can't. I can't accept that.what do you think that means, if not "I cannot talk to women">You should not. You should let the women come to you. Well that's shit advice, that's exactly how OP ended up in the situation he's in. Your advice is "be 11/10 exceptionally attractive in terms of looks so that women have to come to you".That would be shit advice for even an okay-looking to slightly above average looking guy, nevermind someone who's ugly.
>>33835117You are not a man, you are a bitch. A man takes action regardless of fear, pussy
>>33837855>what do you think that means, if not "I cannot talk to women"That he will not accept it. Not that he is, somehow, incapable of it. And it's sensible. He should not accept it. Exposing yourself to abuse. That's stupid.> that's exactly how OP ended up in the situation he's inAnd? OP's situation could be worse, you know. He could delude himself into a marriage with a women, who does not truly desire him and who does not give what he wants. That would be more miserable. >Your advice is "be 11/10 exceptionally attractive in terms of looks so that women have to come to you".Exactly.>That would be shit advice for even an okay-looking to slightly above average looking guy, nevermind someone who's ugly.No, it's what they need to hear. You see what they want is not necessarily a relationship. What they want is to be *desired* by a woman. To feel *love* from a woman. There's a difference. However, sadly, they will not be desired, if they do not have the looks. I'm sorry, but that's what it is. And they need to hear the truth of that. In order to come to terms with it.
>>33837890>That he will not accept it. Not that he is, somehow, incapable of it.he's incapable of accepting it>And it's sensible. He should not accept it. Exposing yourself to abuse. That's stupid.Abuse? Where? What kind?Have you been abused when trying to ask girls out?Oh whoops I'm sorry, you don't ask girls out or talk to them either, have you ever been abused whilst sitting around waiting for girls to ask you out?
>>33834933well, i actually feel like the worst physical traits a moid can have are close set eyes and a long head. i'm shocked that moids dont complain about those
>>33837905>he's incapable of accepting itIt's not easy, if people are being disingenuous about it and, perhaps, your own ego tells your sweet little lies that you wish were true. >Abuse? Where? What kind?You said it yourself. He has to accept that he might be hurt. But no, he does not have to accept that and he should not. >Have you been abused when trying to ask girls out?I might have been, if was more desperate and dumber. Wouldn't be first.>Oh whoops I'm sorry, you don't ask girls out or talk to them either, have you ever been abused whilst sitting around waiting for girls to ask you out?You making things up about me.
>>33837944>It's not easy, if people are being disingenuous about it and, perhaps, your own ego tells your sweet little lies that you wish were true.what are you talking about?>You said it yourself. He has to accept that he might be hurt. But no, he does not have to accept that and he should not.As I said earlier, he's hurt himself waaaaaay more doing this than he would have by just asking girls out and experiencing the nothingburger of being told "no thanks".>You making things up about me.Well you're talking in riddles, have you ever been with girls?
>>33837957>what are you talking about?How can you accept the truth, if you don't find it out? Right? >As I said earlier, he's hurt himself waaaaaay more doing this than he would have by just asking girls out and experiencing the nothingburger of being told "no thanks".You're being very reductive here. It's not about a rejection, okay. It's about deluding yourself into a relationship with a woman that does not love you. That's worse. >Well you're talking in riddles, have you ever been with girls?Is it necessary for what we're talking about?
>>33837986>Is it necessary for what we're talking about?If you’re attempting to have a conversation or giving advice about how to get with girls, and you’ve never gotten with girls…then of course it matters, retard.
>>33837986>How can you accept the truth, if you don't find it out? Right?please be more vague>You're being very reductive here. It's not about a rejection, okay. It's about deluding yourself into a relationship with a woman that does not love you. That's worse.worse than being a 29 year old dateless virgin who cannot communicate with women? I don't think so chief. You can get out of a relationship - at any time.OP is forever stuck in his own handbuilt hell of never approaching or talking to women and wondering why he has no gf.Is it necessary for what we're talking about?>Is it necessary for what we're talking about?Yes, because you're saying that being rejected is literal abuse.The fuck it is.
>>33838001When studying the behavior of ravens, would I have to be a raven myself or know one personally?
>>33838019Bro wants to fuck ravens.
>>33838010>please be more vagueI don't understand what your problem is. >worse than being a 29 year old dateless virgin who cannot communicate with women? I don't think so chief. You can get out of a relationship - at any time.That is very naive. Imagine, if they live in a flat or a house. If there are children. Or if you get sick. Being alone is not the end of the world. But for some a divorce could be. >OP is forever stuck in his own handbuilt hell of never approaching or talking to women and wondering why he has no gf.Not built by his own hands. >Yes, because you're saying that being rejected is literal abuse.I never said that. You making stuff up about me.
>>33838027No, I want humans to be studied like ravens.
>>33838049>Not built by his own hands. >doesn’t approach girls>gets no girls>surprised pikachu face
>>33834933I'm on the same boat as you. 28yo. I kind of feel like giving up at this point. I'm two years away from the point of no return. Nobody likes a lonely 30yo man. Some even see it as a red flag, too. I feel a bit jealous when I see my circle of friends getting girlfriends like it's something you just kind of come across regularly in life but I know better at this point than to throw a tantrum about it by now. I just have to come to terms that, no matter which way I approach them, there's some people who are meant to be alone their entire life. I happened to be one of those.
>>33834933>I didn't ever once receive a single sign of romantic interest from any woman, EVER.Did you show any interest in THEM, ever?They're not going to just throw themselves at guys while we get to sit back and choose. I truly don't know what happened to so many of you on this board that you came to apparently expect that.
>>33838058Insanity is doing one thing over and over again and expecting a result that is different.
>>33838084You don’t approach the same girl every time, retard.
>>33838090I was talking about you. Telling me one and the same thing over and over again.
>>33838049>I don't understand what your problem is.ah well how can you understand a problem is if you don't know what the truth is, right? or something>That is very naive. Imagine, if they live in a flat or a house. If there are children. Or if you get sick. Being alone is not the end of the world. But for some a divorce could be.bro you're talking strawman shit of the 10th degree here talking about "what if OP was married and had five kids and somehow couldn't divorce" - OP can't even talk to girls. Having kids is nowhere near on his list of present or near-future problems.>Not built by his own hands.He refuses to make the first move.>>Yes, because you're saying that being rejected is literal abuse.>I never said that. You making stuff up about me.what did you say 40 minutes ago here>>33837890>That he will not accept it. Not that he is, somehow, incapable of it. And it's sensible. He should not accept it. Exposing yourself to abuse. That's stupid.OP shouldn't expose himself to the abuse of making the first move on girls.
>>33838099Let's deliver OP to the knife then.
>>33838108you're OP aren't you lol
>>33838084>doing one thing over and over againFucking kek, he's never done it at all retard.
>>33838117You're making stuff up about me and OP simultaneously.
>>33838122I head it a thousand times and I will hear it a thousand times more. But you know, I only have to speak once to get those thousands of copes.
>>33838126Because you're OP, trying to defend his learned helplessness in the third person.If not, why are you personally defending OP in non-sequitur fortune cookie quotes.Talking shit about how being rejected is abuse. LOL
>>33838136You can't expect help from people. So I don't ask for it. >If not, why are you personally defending OP in non-sequitur fortune cookie quotes.Good question. I'm interested in humans and their behavior from an analytic POV. Perhaps, I would like to be convinced that I'm wrong. After all, the question why somebody is going something is not easy to answer. Usually, people do not have reasons for what they do.
>>33838162>an autist and retardedOh lovely
>>33838162You've yet to explain why you think being rejected is abuse.
>>33838162>the question why somebody is going something
>>33838168The spite is seeping through my screen. You thought I were OP, yes. You never came to his thread to help him.
>>33838183You have a massive fucking chip on your shoulder. Go recruit others to your own personal pity party somewhere else.
>>33838190The truth shall set them free.
>>33838183help is often being told the one thing you don't want to hear, it's quite often -not- agreeing with someone and further enabling their problems.OP has spent near 30 years without ever approaching women, we're telling him he has to.You're telling him to just wait another 30 or 40 years, no woman has ever come to him first but uhhhhhhh just wait another 30 years bro.You're the one who's full of evil malicious malevolence, who never came to this thread to help anyone.
>>33838205It is a matter of fact that women are attracted by looks. You're trying to bury this, because you don't want it to be true. You'd rather life in your land of delusion, because it's comfortable. And if that means that OP is going to suffer, then so be it. Perhaps, you secretly believe that he deserves it..
>>33838229We can all at least take solace that you are a genetic dead-end.
>>33838238The dying son is going to swallow you up.
>>33838262*sun
Death is a gift that we will all receive.
>>33838229>women are attracted by looksthat's the initial attraction, but again your "solution" is that OP should just transform into an 11/10 supermodel and wait around doing nothing definitely not ever taking the first step in social interactions with women.Looks are also meaningless if you're some sort of mental retard and you're unable to have normal conversations like a normal retard. Most incels aren't really ugly or physically repulsive - it's all psychological.I'm not an 11/10 myself either, and neither are the girls I've been with.You still need a minimum of social interaction if you want a gf. OP will not do that, and you're encouraging him to keep on not doing that. You're the one who wishes to see him suffer even more as if 30 years of complete loneliness wasn't enough..
>>33838282>>33838262>>33838019>>etcthis dude really does speak almost entirely in weird fortune cookie quotes
>>33838292Suum cuique.
>>33838285You can't transform into a 11/10 model. I advised OP to go an app and test it, if he has the looks. If he does, then he's fine. He can work from there. If he doesn't, then he's better off alone. >Looks are also meaningless if you're some sort of mental retard and you're unable to have normal conversations like a normal retard.I never denied that. >OP will not do thatHe did not say that in the OP post. Nor in the posts that the you or the anon linked to me.
>>33838328Apps are notoriously biased against men>If he doesn't, then he's better off alone.so your advice to anyone who's not an instagram model is that they should suffer in loneliness for all of their life. >>33838328>He did not say that in the OP post. Nor in the posts that the you or the anon linked to me.He refuses to, will not, or "cannot", take the first step in a social interaction with a woman with the goal of asking her out.
>>33838372>Apps are notoriously biased against men.The app does not do anything. Women are notoriously biased against men.>so your advice to anyone who's not an instagram model is that they should suffer in loneliness for all of their life.Only to the men. You have to be conventionally attractive. Not necessarily a model. But conventionally attractive, yes. >He refuses to, will not, or "cannot", take the first step in a social interaction with a woman with the goal of asking her out.Link the post. Maybe I'm wrong and I didn't see. I'd admit it.
>>33838386>You have to be conventionally attractive. Not necessarily a model. But conventionally attractive, yes.spitball a number out of 10, if it's not 11 out of 105? 8? What's "conventionally attractive" out of 10?>>33838386>Link the post. Maybe I'm wrong and I didn't see. I'd admit it.This is my 3rd or 4th time linking the post >>33835134>I can't. I can't accept that.>I don't want to ever allow a woman to be in the position to hurt me.
>>33838393I'd say 7-10 works out. >This is my 3rd or 4th time linking the postYea, but I did respond to that. It's not like I'm ignoring you.
>>33838404>I'd say 7-10 works out.so anyone who's < 7 should just what, kill themselves? Nice blackpill shit there.>Yea, but I did respond to that. It's not like I'm ignoring you.No you are quite literally ignoring several times of me pointing out that OP said exactly what you claim he never said.
>>33838434>so anyone who's < 7 should just what, kill themselves?I advice them to stay out of a relationship, as it'll be unsatisfying to them. Does not mean that they have to commit suicide now. >No you are quite literally ignoring several times of me pointing out that OP said exactly what you claim he never said.>>33837826I'm done with this topic.
>>33838453>I advice them to stay out of a relationship, as it'll be unsatisfying to them.The best relationships are the ones that aren't completely based on looks.>>33837826>He will not accept that he has to expose himself to abuseOnce again - being rejected is not abuse.
>>33834933Stop Giving Biocunts Attention
>>33838466extremely trans post
>>33834933My guess is you're introverted and don't interact with women much in your usual routine.Not hard for a guy to stay invisible that way.This doesn't mean you're repulsive to women. It just means you're not the top 1% of physical attractiveness, so you have to make an effort to connect with women. And if you're not only introverted but socially awkward, this will obviously come much harder to you than to most guys. Whether you think it's worth it or not is up to you, but this is a very different question from your worth as an individual.
>>33838372apps are not biased against moids. thats retarded. there are more moids on them.>>33838466Why Do You Capitalize Everything
>>33834933Everyone in this thread is talking bullshit. >muh ur the man act like itIf a girl has any interest in a guy she will show it.In college all of the girls in my class showed interest in my friend group except me. I noticed that none of them showed me interest and yeah it did bother me. But the girls going from guy to guy turned me off regardless, she just wanted dick, not a bf.I got a girlfriend for a short while whilst in college and only then did a girl I know show interest in me because she knew I wasn’t available. The memes are true. That was obvious she wanted me because she put my hands on her boobs and threw me on the bed of a friends house we were staying in at the time whilst he was in the fucking room. If I were single I’d have done something about it and I wish I were single cuz she’s married now and I’m single.The point is I never initiated anything with any of the girls involved with this. I was always too worried because it was the height of the metoo era bullshit and now I am ready to do something about it, I’m alone working with people 20 years older than me.
>>33837620>When a woman is into, she'll unambiguously tell you. What the actual fuck are you basing this on? Middle school behavior?Women generally do not risk rejection because they don't have to.I seriously have no idea where you got this idea from.>You won't have to conjure up reasons why she might be into youWhat?Who is out there dissecting imagined reasons a girl might like them? To what end?People like people. You present yourself and your traits you feel are positive in the hopes she'll like them. If she likes you, great. You don't need to imagine why.>delude yourself into seeing "signs". It's not delusion. It's observation and, yeah, mostly useless and entirely inconclusive.You look for signs and signals that she's comfortable with you, then you ask her out.>When you have to do this, then it's not unlikely that what she's really after isn't you personally but, perhaps, something that you would provide to her in a relationship.Again, what the fuck are you on about?She's not going to love the truth of who you are before you date. Of COURSE she wants what you would provide in a relationship. Being an enjoyable person to be with and liking you poo personally is also something you provide in a relationship.Your thinking about all of this is frankly bizarre. It's like one alien instructing another on human mating after reading a Judy Blum novel mistranslated into Russian.>>33837826>You should let the women come to you>>33837890>>Your advice is "be 11/10 exceptionally attractive in terms of looks so that women have to come to you".>Exactly.Yeah, not really sure what you're doing here.If it's trolling or an attempt at humor, it's just so dumb that it falls flat.
>>33837869As someone in the same predicament as OP, where do you draw the line between courage and retardation? To me, it seems like I’m gonna fail at the start anyway, because women are psychic and can tell if a man hates himself just by looking at him, so why even try when I can see all the tiddies I want from the comfort of my room?
>>33842610>and can tell if a man hates himself just by looking at himWell there you go, so maybe try to stop hating yourself then. This is what people mean when we say some people have to do some more work on themselves before they worry about dating.
>>33842802That takes years which some people dont have
>>33842802Maybe I’ll finally go on my first date at fucking 35, great.
>>33834933Why can't you just accept that some men are never meant to find a gf? Why so scared of being alone?
>>33838466Im trans btw
>>33837589>Bro, she looked 0.3 second longer. Shes into you.
>>33845698why are women like this
>>33847693meme gender
>>33845576>some men are never meant to find a gfSays who?
Because you haven't gone out of your house enough. That and you are a bit inconsiderate towards your options.
>>33848473Says all of nature, the only reason genetic dead ends were able to breed because the women were forced into it (India as a modern example)
i don't think i've ever met people who got together through anything else besides school, work, or occasionally even friends. if those wells were dry i'm pretty sure you're just fucked to run through single bartender moms for perpetuity.
