5-6 years ago i successfully deluded myself into being bluepilled. i legitimately thought i wasn't an incel despite never even going on a date with a girl. i thought it was different because i wasn't mad about, and in my mind that somehow made me on the same level as the guys who actually were dating and having sex. fast-forward three years, and after numerous rejections and friendzones i finally snapped and became blackpilled. at first it was kinda nice because it was like a moment of clarity. i didn't have to delude myself into thinking i could get a gf by staying in the friendzone. after years of being blackpilled however i feel like it's taken its toll on me. i no longer care about anything. i don't care about my health, my hygiene, wearing clean clothes, anything really. i know it doesn't matter and i know for a fact that the best outcome for me if a single mother decides to settle for me. it's driving me insane. i'd give anything to be a bluepilled redditor at this point.
>>33847890You can absolutely spit out that black pill, and you don’t have to be a redditor to get there either.Rejection is normal. It hurts real bad, but it doesn’t necessarily say anything about you definitively. It says that you were incompatible with some women for one reason or another.You need to do some serious introspection and decide what you can and cannot reasonably change about your situation, and you need to believe what I said to you in the previous paragraph as well.Read what you wrote here, anon:>i feel like it's taken its toll on me. i no longer care about anything. i don't care about my health, my hygiene, wearing clean clothes, anything really.You can’t live like this. You need to spit out that black pill, and that bogus, trite shit you’re trotting out about single mothers after that part of your OP isn’t you talking—it’s the blackpill. You need to cut that shit out.You are imagining the worst possible future for yourself. You’re deciding what is going to happen before it has. You’re catastrophizing. Cut that shit out.https://youtu.be/Z-zdIGxOJ4M
>>33847928>Rejection is normal. It hurts real bad, but it doesn’t necessarily say anything about you definitively. It says that you were incompatible with some women for one reason or another.rejection is normal, yes. never having any success isn't however. even the nerdy guys and the fat guys i grew up with have no problem with relationships. when your only outcomes are rejection or being friendzoned and you see most other people have at-least some success, it only reminds you how much of a complete failure you are.>You need to do some serious introspection and decide what you can and cannot reasonably change about your situationthe neat thing about this is i basically applied the scientifc method and know pretty-much for certain what my future holds. for over a year i went through a vigorous self-improvment phase. i lost over 80lbs through diet and excerise, bought fashionable clothes, and joined two different hobby clubs. the result? not even a single date. i was just as invisible to women romantically as i was before. i already know what some people might say, "you didn't try enough", or "a single year isn't long enough you need to keep trying for a longer period of time"; but it doesn't matter because at the end of the day i put in more effort than the average person EVER has to do and yet it didn't change me.
>>33847890>at first it was kinda nice because it was like a moment of clarity. i didn't have to delude myself into thinking i could get a gf by staying in the friendzone.The blackpill is not clarity. Those who perpetuate the blackpill are NOT friends trying to bring you happiness with some "objective truths". The blackpill is meant entirely to make you give in to your despair, to make you isolate in your own misery and reject any attempt to pull you back out by convincing you that you specifically are a victim of a shallow and cruel world that hates you for things you cannot control. You have already felt its negative effects, and if you keep going down this path it will eventually kill you - the ultimate goal of the blackpill is to demoralize you so badly you end up committing suicide.The world is far more multifaceted and complex than the shitty little statistics hardcore blackpillers try to use to justify their garbage. You have been hurt, and that pain is absolutely valid, but it does not mean you are worthless, or that all women are evil harpies bent on hurting you for their amusement. Most importantly, you have to embrace love. Not just love for a woman, but love for yourself, for friends and family and the life you can have. Recognize that you aren't alone, that the only opinion that truly matters is your own and those who you truly trust, not the hateful ramblings of some dipshit on the internet. If you end up with a single mother who genuinely loves you and makes you feel fulfilled, who the fuck cares if some dude on /r9k/ makes assumptions about her and calls you a cuck? Don't go seeking out validation from people who have none to give, live your life for you.
>>33847991>The blackpill is not clarity. Those who perpetuate the blackpill are NOT friends trying to bring you happiness with some "objective truths".the blackpill is inherently negative, yes; but it's not some sort of manufactured propaganda. the blackpill is simply a mirror of the dating world for most non-nt people. the only reason it's so strong and has had such a widespread reach is because it reflects the experiences of a lot of men these days; no one who has positive relationship experiences is taking the blackpill. it's also not designed to make you want to kys. yes, it is negative and making you miserable is a known side effect; but that's not its goal. its goal is to stop you from making a fool of yourself, to stop you from accepting the friendzone in the hopes you can one-day leave it. to stop you from making a clown out of yourself thinking you can impress a girl. to stop you from marrying a single mother who doesn't love you and only wants you for stability.and yes i know the irony of defending the bp while also asking for help in refuting it, but im just trying to explain why i and many other men have taken it and why its so dangerous.
>>33847890actually trying is always harder than giving up.for a start, stop thinking about life using the whole pilled framework, the only people who do that are pathetic losers who are incapable of thinking for themselves.you could also start by realising that a significant part of this dogshit ideology you have embraced comes from both literal russian psyops and the work of billionaires who drive culture war to avoid class war. think kind of doomer thinking is you being used as a tool by people who hate you, backed by other people who want to justify giving up because theyre terrified of questioning their egos, and are too lazy to put the hard work into bettering themselvesthere is a reason that the only people who push those loser ideologies are the dumbest mother fuckers on the planet, or are looking to exploit people they dont care aboutstart by not letting yourself be a tool
Why do people care so much about having a relationship?I've never bothered with one 'cause I don't get the appeal.
>>33848055>you could also start by realising that a significant part of this dogshit ideology you have embraced comes from both literal russian psyops and the work of billionaires who drive culture war to avoid class war. think kind of doomer thinking is you being used as a tool by people who hate you, backed by other people who want to justify giving up because theyre terrified of questioning their egos, and are too lazy to put the hard work into bettering themselvesdid the russians also make people bully me and make girls reject me to get me to take the blackpill? were they all just psyops too
>>33848028Alright, anon. Stop. First of all, I want you to recognize that you are doing precisely what all blackpillers do: you are cherry-picking the pieces of the conversation that you can use to further uphold this negative viewpoint, while ignoring or dismissing the parts that directly challenge it. If you are truly serious about getting out of this absolutely repulsive mindset, you need to start looking at the whole picture, not just one or two small parts. And I mean that for EVERYTHING, not just replies to this thread.Because no, the blackpill is NOT an accurate mirror of the dating world. It is a broken funhouse mirror of the dating world as presented by a bunch of depressed men who refuse to acknowledge that women are not some homogenous mass and that every woman is different and has different values. They see a handful of Tinder stats and watch one or two TikTok whores and think "yes, this is how every single woman in the world operates". But it is not reality, not by a long shot - women have emotions and are capable of love, and these so-called "single mothers who just want stability" are not nearly as common as the blackpill makes them out to be. Avoiding opportunistic whores is common sense, whereas the blackpill tries to convince you that all women are opportunistic whores.And for the record, the blackpill is designed to make you kill yourself, even if it doesn't mean to be. It promotes an unhealthy idea that you should never even try to seek companionship, that you as a human are fundamentally flawed and will never be happy because you don't hit some imaginary, arbitrary checkboxes built from the aforementioned cherry-picked Tinder stats. The blackpill wants you to approach the world with hate, to hate women and hate men and hate yourself. And when you mire yourself in hatred on a consistent basis, pretty soon you lose sight of anything that could give you reason to stay alive.
>>33848071ignoring the biological drive that affects most humans, there's still a large societal pressure to be in a relationship. it doesn't matter how well off you're doing in life, if you never had a gf people will (justifiably) look at you like some sort of weirdo.
>>33848109Why do you care so much about what other people think of you? What bearing does their opinion have on your life? Do you only derive your sense of personal value based on whether or not some random person approves of you?
>>33848077they drive people (not necessarily you, but in general) to attitudes that get them bullied, yes. because these 'pill' attitudes make people idiotic, egotistical, prideful, ignorant, and hurtful losers. you take the advice from retards about treating women like shit and acting creepy towards them and you get judged for it, yesthat's not to say it is always the case for everyone, but it plays a huge part in it.men take advice from shitheadsthey get turned away for acting like shitheadsthey blame others because they got judged for acting like a shitheadthere will always also be cases where good people are treated poorly by simpletons who enjoy hurting innocents, but the opinions of those garbage sacks dont matter. if youre a 'pilled' person, then you make being treated like shit much more likely, and entirely justified
>>33848081>Because no, the blackpill is NOT an accurate mirror of the dating world. It is a broken funhouse mirror of the dating world as presented by a bunch of depressed men who refuse to acknowledge that women are not some homogenous mass and that every woman is different and has different values. They see a handful of Tinder stats and watch one or two TikTok whores and think "yes, this is how every single woman in the world operates". But it is not reality, not by a long shot - women have emotions and are capable of love, and these so-called "single mothers who just want stability" are not nearly as common as the blackpill makes them out to be. Avoiding opportunistic whores is common sense, whereas the blackpill tries to convince you that all women are opportunistic whores.this logic falls apart upon inspection because of how widespread the blackpill is nowadays. it isn't some niche community tucked away in the corner of the internet, it's a global phenomenon that transcends normie social media and even netflix now. if the vast-majority of women weren't shallow and strictly judgemental like you claim, there wouldn't be a blackpill since there wouldn't be so many lonley men to amplify it.
>>33848121>Do you only derive your sense of personal value based on whether or not some random person approves of you?this may be surprising anon but most normal people do. in fact you'd have to be a cold unfeeling psychopath in order to not care what others think of you.
>>33848129>you take the advice from retards about treating women like shit and acting creepy towards them and you get judged for it, yeswait hold on, you really think taking the blackpill is the cause of being bullied and rejected, and not the result of it?
>>33848137So the fuck what? Human history is full of dumbass ideas being believed by large swaths of the population because it was the easiest way to explain the shit that was wrong for them personally. Why bother practicing good hygiene, when the reason you're puking your guts out is because you have a demon inside of you that needs to be exorcised? The personal biases of a bunch of lonely guys coalescing into a "global phenomenon" does not automatically mean that it's true.Anon, your resistance towards people trying to help you in this thread makes it seem like you don't actually want help, that you just want to argue about why the blackpill is some inherently correct truth because you want to continue justifying it to yourself. Honesrly, are you actually interested in giving up the blackpill?
>>33848140Lmao no they don't, retard. Normal people care about what people they care about think of them, not the random morons they pass on the street. Like holy fuck, imagine how neurotic you'd have to be to give a shit about what the bus driver or the guy at the convenience store thinks of you.
>>33848150its reinforcing built on an inability to critically evaluate life, yesa functional person who is capable of introspection and doesnt have a huge and delicate ego can judge being bullied or rejected honestly. either they did something wrong, in which case they can work to better themselves, or they didnt do anything wrong, in which case the people who bullied or rejected them can be ignoredan incel-type mind is not capable of understanding either of these points. if they did something wrong, NO I DIDNT IM GREAT THEYRE UNFAIR. if they were judged unfairly or bullied or rejected YOU SEE ALL PEOPLE ARE LIKE THIS FUCKING NORMIES AND FEMOIDS. then they retreat to their echo chamber, becoming more delusional and reinforced while they drift further into failure and misery
>>33848165no ones actually trying to help me itt. instead they're all gaslighting me that the blackpill isn't real and that single mothers don't exist. a genuine approach to helping would be to acknowledge that yes, life isn't fair, and that a lot of what the bp says about dating is true. considering no one itt is willing to even admit that, it makes me question why im even seeking out your guys advice in the first place.
>>33848182okay so stay with me anon. i know you haven't left the house in ages, but in real life there are groups of people that you have to interact with on a daily basis. for instance, and i know this may sound foreign to you, but in college and university you have what are called classmates and dormmates. also, and this may be surprising since you're a neet, but when you have a job there's people who are called your coworkers. similar thing goes with having a hobby, there's a group of people that you have to interact with. these are not "random morons" you pass on the street, they are a part of life.
>>33848189>a functional person who is capable of introspection and doesnt have a huge and delicate ego can judge being bullied or rejected honestly. either they did something wrong, in which case they can work to better themselves, or they didnt do anything wrong, in which case the people who bullied or rejected them can be ignoredyou're either really good at posting b8 or you're just legitimately retarded lmao.
>>33848193No. Dumbass. Shut the fuck up and reread the thread, because everyone is telling you that the blackpill is extremely skewed information. Yes, dating can suck. Yes, retarded whores who only want 6'4 10/10 Chads exist. Yes, shitty single mothers who only want a meal ticket exist. No one is denying any of that. What we are telling you is that the world of dating and women is so, so much larger than that, and what the blackpill perpetuates is an extremely small subset of shitty human behavior. And the way to not let yourself be consumed by the blackpill (i.e. EXACTLY WHAT THE FUCK YOU WERE FUCKING COMPLAINING ABOUT IN THE FIRST PLACE) is to recognize that the blackpill is not the universal truth about dating and women that it purports itself as.Do you fucking understand now, or are you going to continue to be obstinant and act like it's everyone else's fault you are not understanding this basic concept?
>>33848255OP is retarded, he can't be helped. I disagree with you but OP is retarded. He even contradicts himself>even the nerdy guys and the fat guys i grew up with have no problem with relationshipsBlackpill fundamentals are looks > all, so idek what OP believes in
>>33848255>>33848268>What we are telling you is that the world of dating and women is so, so much larger than that, and what the blackpill perpetuates is an extremely small subset of shitty human behavior.this argument holds no weight when 63% of men under 30 are single. idk how good you guys are with numbers, but 63% is not considered "an extremely small subset".>s-ss-source??https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2023/02/08/for-valentines-day-5-facts-about-single-americans/
>>33848285>this argument holds no weight when 63% of men under 30 are singleThis argument only holds weight if you just blindly assume that these 63% of men under 30 being single is primarily caused by things cited by blackpillers.
>>33848285Oh my fucking god, >>33848268 is right. You are retarded, and a faggot to boot. You live your life off fucking statistics you gleaned from random sensationalist websites instead of just going out and fucking talking to women. And when you ask for help, you fucking spit in the face of everyone who tries to give you the kind of encouragement you need to get yourself out of this shitty toxic mindset, meaning you are either just baiting like a faggot, or you are genuinely too far gone to be helped. And worst of all, you act so fucking superior to everyone like you hold the fucking keys to the Truth About Women.So you know what? You're right. The blackpill is true. It's true for you specifically, because you are the exact kind of smug, retarded incel that no one, man or woman, wants to be around. You are going to fucking die alone, surrounded by your own filth and excrement, ignorantly assured that there wasn't anything you could have possibly done to save yourself. And when you put that fucking gun in your mouth and pull the trigger, I sincerely hope you do so with a smile on your face, since according to your idiotic defeatist gospel making your last meal a fucking 9mm bullet is the only logical course of action for anyone in today's dating market.Fuck you, OP. Can't believe I wasted my fucking time trying to help someone who never wanted to be helped in the first place.
>>33848315The amount of anger and seethe is astonishing lmao. Do you usually get this angry at words on a screen anon? Sounds like you need to get some help lol.
>>33848311>if you just blindly assume that these 63% of men under 30 being single is primarily caused by things cited by blackpillersno wait you're right, the majority of men under 30 just aren't trying hard enough lol
>>33847890The blackpill is true in the sense that human nature is based off of looks which are largely out of our control, however this doesn't mean you should completely stop caring about yourself and ruin you life. Online blackpill spaces are demoralizing echo chambers full of crabs in a bucket. Take care of yourself, otherwise they win
>>33848333>no wait you're right, the majority of men under 30 just aren't trying hard enough lolIts not a good sign that the second you are required to do any bit of analytical thought about your own opinion you immediately jump to this brand of low effort strawmanning. The reality is that these men under 30 are likely single for a multitude of compounding reasons. I wouldn't pretend to know these reasons because I haven't researched it. That being said, your argument "The blackpill is right because a bunch of guys under 30 are single" doesn't logically follow. You have to explain why, not just state two numbers and let the correlation make your argument for you. This is like 8th grade prop logic.
>>33848230oh shocking, youre not capable of questioning your egojust so surprising
Everything about the "blackpill" is a lie. Everything. It's meant to demoralize you and turn you into one of the incel cultists. The best way to realize this is to go outside and talk to girls and/or use dating apps. You will have girls in no time.
>>33847976>never having any success isn't however.It is like anything else in life: If you consistently fail, analyze why that is and do better next time. For example, "friendzoning" almost exlusively happens because you act like a castrated Beta around women. Women just don't give you the LJBF if you've shown clear and unanimous sexual interest in them as women, not friends.It seems like you never bothered to read up or ask more experienced friends how to show sexual interest in a socially acceptable manner aka flirt. You should do that. Its a (social) skill, and it can be learned and practiced.From the way you write it sounds like you just do whatever and that the important part is looking good. Its not, even Chads looks are only the door opener. >>33848028>but it's not some sort of manufactured propagandaMost definitely is though. A few individuals who hang out on the internet 24/7 and aggressively propagate their beliefs using established propaganda methods because its the only thing they have going for them. Its basically home cooked propaganda.>to stop you from accepting the friendzone in the hopes you can one-day leave it.This shit has been literally solved for decades. Look up what being " Nice Guy" is and stop being one. "The friendzone" happens when you fail to show or reciprocrate sexual interest witha girl, simple as that. If you were genuinely unattractive, you'd never end up there anyways as it is the result of a formerly attracted woman drying up when you act Beta.
>>33848469Talking to women black pilled me. They shit talk white males and brag about fucking blacks. They also reject me if I make a move. I’ve been rejected by every woman my whole life. Never been on a date and still a virgin. I’m Tall, white, not fat, shower twice a day with soap and water. Great teeth, have my own car and job. Live on my own.
>>33847976>the scientific methodgod schools need to teach scientific literacy so fucking bad
>>33848347>>33848759>equating 63% of men under 30 to "a bunch of guys" and "a few individuals"what compels you guys to act like total faggots on the internet lmao
>>33848986Oh great, the discord troons are here
>>33848986>They shit talk white males and brag about fucking blacks.Not a single girl in real life does this. You've watched too many incel wank fantasy videos.
>>33848986>I’ve been rejected by every woman my whole life.How many? How many women have you asked out in your life? What happened when they rejected you?
>>33849148literally happened a few months ago and the white males in the group just stayed quiet.>>33849149Over 15 cold approaches in my life over 100 rejections from text/online I also paid for dating sites and never got a date.
>>33847890There is good news!
>>33848986I got women to drive 40 mins to pick me up on the side of the road because my car broke down for a first meeting. They initiated sex, asked me to fuck them in the ass, and tried to get me to move in with them without having to pay any rent. I'm 5'6 and at the time I was legit homeless, hadnt shaved or showered for literal months, and was 30 lbs lighter than my natural weight from malnutrition.Ever consider you guys might just be fucking gay?
>>33849567but how am i supposed to do that if they literally aren't ever asking me to sodomize them or move in with them no matter what i do
>>33849567I’m not black im white and I’m over a foot taller than you
>>33849604All you have to do is be fun and happy. People tend to mirror happy people and it gets their guard down. Try to focus on her and the way she talks and the way she thinks and what she is looking for. Then use that knowledge to match her energy and gently steer the conversation in a flirty direction. Figure out along the way if it's safe to be more explicit or if you're pushing it too far and need to take things slower. It's an acquired skill. Key is to focus less on yourself and how you're acting and how you're coming across, and more on intuiting her mental and emotional state. This is why autists have so much trouble. You need to be able to pick up on subtle cues to be able to figure out what they are feeling and walk that fine line keeping them stimulated in the way they like without overdoing it.
>>33849652But like a calm and confident type of happy not a manic excitable puppy kind of happy. One makes people comfortable, the other makes you look like desperate beta. Everything is about nuance.
>>33849652>This is why autists have so much troubleYeah, there is no way around havign empathy, as in being able to read others emotional states.Its also telling that incels are crazy focussed on easily quantifiable numeric metrics like height, dick size, wealth, age etc. pp. because flirting must appear like black magic to a legit sperg. The result is shy, but otherwise presumably normal guys like OP reading taht shit and having their brains boiled to the point where their ability to interact with women gets completely fried. "Blackpillers" should really get themselves diagnosed before they start madyl projecting their issues all over the internet, all it does is ruin men who would just have to go out there and hit on women a few times to get a feeling for it.
>>33849652White females have RBF and don’t smile or laugh and I’m the one that’s upbeat and trying to have fun I invited a girl over because I got a new game and she said no because she thought I wanted sex so after I found that out I told her if it was about sex I would have said it and she didn’t respond. I’ve also been stood up on dates women agreed to.
>>33849739And I can read the room, women avoid eye contact with me so that means they hate white males and women never flirt with me and if I flirt with them they don’t respond so I’m left looking like a fool in front of dozens of people and coworkers.
>>33849669What I don't understand is why men like OP take the blackpill so hard it becomes next to impossible for them to spit it back out. Even when they ask for help and recognize the blackpill is genuinely harmful, they go out of their way to defend the delusional claptrap like their fucking life depended on it, like those numeric metrics you mentioned are literally God and cannot be refuted. Why would they ever remain blackpilled to the point of combative arrogance when the blackpill has objectively worsened their lives?
>>33849829Being bluepilled is not going to make me look like a black. White women can tell when a white does black face with the exact skin color blacks have.
>>33849829The blackpill is easy, it takes the blame off of the incel. A blackpiller assumes anyone who is against the blackpill is criticizing them personally, and they lash out because of it.
>>33849669Its completely impossible for a sperg to flirt, why shouldnt they take the blackpill?
>>33847890Yes. Seek Jesus. That’s an excellent way to start. If your whole idea of happiness hangs on women, then there’s obviously a lot more you wrong. You’ve gotta learn to love and accept yourself.
>>33853669I have sexual needs and Jesus doesn’t care and I don’t want to goto heaven because it’s filled with blacks
>>33849669>hit on women a few times to get a feeling for it.Maybe that's how women became so out of control: being the object of free affection everywhere and getting the power to deny these young guys sex and not give a flying fuck about whether the guy they denied ever recovers his self esteem or finds a gf.
>>33854111>the guy they denied ever recovers his self esteem or finds a gfPart of getting a feel for it is realizing taht getting rejected just doesn't matter, its part of the game and women have other challenges.If you fall apart at the seams and have your self esteem actually damaged by a rejection, you should seek therapy. And also stop pedestalizing women you don't even know, some chick you haven't even have sex with ain't shit and her opinion of you is as irrelevant as that of any random passer by>being the object of free affection everywhere and getting the power to deny these young guys sex the first simply isn't being percieved as anything special by women, also they lose that power overnight once they hit the wall and haver to cope hardcore. Other than men who can go on for a long time if they take care of themselves and don't have shit genetics.The latter, "being denied" something that was never on the table with that particular woman in the first place is an utterly ridiculous though.
>>33854088Nigga you are aware the "blackpill" does not literally refer to black people, right?
>>33847890No woman will ever love you, 90% of women out there do not love their man, they don't know how to love anyway; they only tolerate him as long as he provides.Learn to be stoic and get by without their fake and subpar love therefore about 90% of women should be invisible to you. Rise up above your biological programming.Take care of your health anons and find distractions to help pass the time, that's all most people do anyway, the difference is they do it with somebody so time wasted together flows differently. It's merely an illusion as the brain gets fooled (temporarily).
>>33854222Black pill is realizing that white women ages 18-24 that aren’t fat makeup less than 1% of the planet, and most of them refuse to date white men. So I’m stuck with being alone because other races aren’t attractive to me. Not interested in monkey heaven.
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>>33854375This guy >>33854274 is the one söyfacing in the background
>>33854371>realizing that white women ages 18-24 that aren’t fat makeup less than 1% of the planetAmerimutt cope. Imagine being american. I'd just make use of the one good thing they got going , buy my self an OG Colt Navy and do revolver duels with like minded bros until I eventually go down in glory.
>>33854375In a just world both would be immediately exiled or executed
>>33854422American white females are all I’m attracted to but only if they aren’t fat and coal burners
>>33847890>can you really un-take the blackpill?Yes it's completely possible to choose to not be a huge faggot at any time. But will you make the choice? That's another question entirely.>thinking i could get a gf by staying in the friendzoneAnd you didn't need to take le epic blackpill to figure out the friendzone is bad, all you should have needed was some balls and a bare trace of common sense.
>>33854481>But will you make the choice?This entire thread is proof he won't. Blackpillers never want to spit the blackpill out, even when it's actively killing them.
