(last attempt to post this, if this doesn't get posted I'm gonna be pissed as hell)>be me (18/female/Sub5 to Low-tier-becky kinda situation? idk, just generally unattractive in general (not sure if anyone can see it in the photo)/barely leaves the house)>Wanting to get a boyfriend because I'm lonely but not having a lot of success>Not a lot of opportunities in person (which is why I gave up on leaving the house), so that's out of the question (fuck Colorado, I hate it here)>tried online forums and social media, but a lot of the guys I was looking for were either taken, not interested in dating at all, or gay.>had one relationship with a guy on discord that went pretty well (he's a sweet guy and he made me happy), but had to break up after my mom nearly found out about it (she thought I was hooking up with some pedo or whatever, it's retarded as it sounds)>he got with another girl, meaning I lost the opportunity to get back with him (still pissed off about that since I loved him so much)>Since I can't get back with my ex, I'm considering going on a dating app as some sort of last ditch effort to find a partner (I have been trying to avoid this option considering how disadvantaged you are if you're unattractive)Is a dating app the best way to go or are there better options? Or am I just fucked?PS, this is my first time posting to 4chan, so apologies if I'm using the greentext thing wrong or if this is the wrong board to post to!
>>33853003Go away Ranjeet
>>33853003I've seen worse, and your somber expression doesn't help. That's actually the main thing: an open, relaxed and confident "impression" (best I can describe it) would make a world of difference. Styling your hair would also make a difference.
>>33853003Good luck, people on 4chan don't put in their name often. If you want to meet other guys, they're usually at the gym or at any hobby shop.
>>33853061I only put my name there cause i didn't know what else to put there lmao And I do know this antique store that kinda looks like a hobby place, maybe i could check that out sometime (if the weather isn't balls cold here lmao)Thanks anon!
>>33853041I've thought about getting my hair changed before, and I'm hoping my mom can take me to get a haircut sometime (idk if she'd go through with it, considering my parents are known to make empty promises and shit, which pisses me off desu) Do you have any reccomendations for hairstyles that both math my personal style (somewhere between grunge and 2000s-olderbrother) and could attract a guy?
>>33853003Frankly you should work on yourself first before seeking a partner. Your options will be limited by your level of character build and progression and currently you are basically designing yourself to be and stay at the bottom of the pile which frankly is a humiliating place to choose to stay and will not serve you long term.You are 18. You don't need a relationship. What you sound like you need is to go and work on yourself deeply. Your identity seems like a classic malaptive misfit type who wants to fuck up the rest of their trajectory in life by defining themself based off some who-fucking-cares bullshit that happened in high school socially.It's fine to be different. It is not fine to deliberately box yourself in so young into such a clearly prohibitive identity and persona that leaves you feeling left behind and ignored. Do not settle for this. You should work on your appearance and take pride in it. Ditch the attention-starved internet weirdo aesthetic and find a compromise - you can still signal your interests without needing to go full outcast and frankly the gameplay perks of seeming at least "regular enough" are worth it. Ie - good haircut, clean style but with a metal tee for instance as an example. It's not about appealing to normies. I'm not asking you to reject all parts of yourself. It's just about ensuring that you've not ended up so abrasively "counter culture" to the point of nobody fucking wants you except from people within a very specific niche.There's a massive lack of self confidence bleeding through in your post. I'd say get into fitness, work on your style - experiment on feeling more objectively attractive. It's not about ending up a 10, that's probably a delusion. But you can take a 10 and make them dress like shit, not look after themselves and hunch over a computer getting enmeshed into a world of obscure and anti social online culture for years and they'll come out washed out.Live your life. Find your worth.
>>33853133This was the kind of reply I was hoping not to get, and it's also the reason why I was so hesitant to post this in the first place.>"Frankly you should work on yourself first before seeking a partner."No shit sherlock! Of course I do, it's obvious.but because my parents never bothered to reinforce that (I'm pretty sure they gave up on me) and everyone kept criticizing me for doing it "wrong" somehow (even though I was doing it exactly the way they told me), that I eventually stopped. No point in trying if you're not getting the support from your peers needed to do it.That's why I hate whenever people tell me "just work on yourself!", it's not helpful if i CAN'T work on myself.Maybe I should've clarified that in my post, but idk>"You are 18. You don't need a relationship."Just because I don't "need" it doesn't mean I don't want it. It's like going to a fast food resurant like mcdonald's and telling another customer that they "don't need it" and can just get food at home. They know they don't need it, but they want it anyway.And I know this isn't the woke, feminist and "self-empowering" thing to say, but fankly, I would say i do infact need it, especially because I don't have friends to substitute for that like most of the girls my age do, and talking to people on discord only does so much for social interaction. Btw, what do YOU think is an "appropriate" age to start dating, really?? i'd love to hear that!>"It's not about ending up a 10, that's probably a delusion."I never said I wanted to be a 10, infact all i asked in my post was "hey, are dating apps a good solutions to my problem or should I try something else?", not "how do i looksmax to the point I become a super sexy Stacey and make everyone love me?". Infact this whole reply is giving me any advice BUT what i actually asked for, and honestly that upsets me.
>>33853559Also, sorry if I sound like an asshole for saying this, but when you're told over and over again "just take care of yourself!" anytime you need advice on something, eventually that's gonna piss you off the more you hear it, especially when you've tried. and frankly, I'm tired if it.
>>33853559Don't blame parents, take accountability. That's what adults do. Fuck your peers, why do you need their validation? The whole point is to go off and do it for you, not others. In the process you ultimately realise that those people aren't for you anymore anyways, so you become grateful for having not allowed them to steer you. And what's with this "I need support" stuff - who told you that? I certainly didn't say it. That's not the narrative any grind-coded philosophies encourage.Then we get to the McDonald's comparison. It's actually pretty good at making my point.You absolutely should be sitting at home, learning how to make the recipe, using the tools and sourcing the ingredients for something that will be objectively nutritionally better for you and tied to scientifically backed better health trajectories long term.McDonalds is a lazy, convenient choice that skips the need to do the work. Especially if you go on to build your future around eating there.The age for dating is relative and in my view very context sensitive. Really there is no number and the metrics I use are more abstract. I believe that nobody is ready to date until they know themselves, have done the work and came out better for it. Where the obvious elephants in their room have been addressed psychologically so they aren't just charging about the place running through relationships with maladaptive psychological traits and inferior self esteem. Having a strong sense of vision, purpose and values that can only come from the kind of self actualisation that hard work and suffering will bring. A weak foundation is not appropriate when you wish to build a future with someone.I responded to your question honestly. I did you the favour of hearing that. You are not ready for dating. Improve yourself first. It's the highest act of self love and you deserve better than the trajectory outcome you have coming if you don't.
>>33853003>Is a dating app the best way to go or are there better options? Or am I just fucked?There may be better options.Take underwater clean up volunteering for example, you automatically filter based on the criteria needed to indulge in doing so(resources to afford the act against time spent making money, rough gauge of level of character, level of physical well-being to render service, ability to swim, etc.).
>>33853565I'm curious when the last time you sat down and analysed your life, analysed your feelings and then began reverse engineering solutions, strategies or phased approaches to solving those issues was? When was the last time you really thought about where you want to be 1,3,5 years from now or asked yourself what elephants in your room are you not addressing?Really commited pen to paper. Really thought about it and tried to problem solve your own life and ask what you wanted from it beyond cheap fixes that don't address the roots of the problems.When was the last time you bought some books or wiped your algorithm and started steering yourself towards goals? For how long did you ever apply consistency or priority to this "work" you say you did? How seriously did you even take the "work" when you were doing it? Was it something you woke up and thought about every morning? That you made your phones wallpaper? That you made the sole focus of your attention for hours of the day while you figured shit out and got results slowly? How long were you willing to sit with the pain of your own feelings before running away, shutting down or forgetting about trying? The biggest favour you could do yourself is to view this as a fight for your life and future. Currently all you are due is a weak willed, slightly older guy who probably likes warhammer and hentai. Hold off on a relationship a few years while you work out this awkward phase and unfuck your head and there is a far brighter future on your cards.
>>33853590>"wahhhh, she's upset because she's tired of being told the same bullshit all the time that never helps, so i'm gonna continue to blame her for all her problems and call her immature and not actually answer the question!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! wahhhhhhhhh"That's literally all i'm getting from you, maybe actually read the god damn post next time you fucking retard. atp I'm just better off looking up guys on the sex offender registry and telling any of them that i'm a 15 so i can actually get groomed and shit, maybe they'd give me a chance. Maybe that's what I was missing out on after all!Also,>"You absolutely should be sitting at home, learning how to make the recipe, using the tools and sourcing the ingredients for something that will be objectively nutritionally better for you and tied to scientifically backed better health trajectories long term. McDonalds is a lazy, convenient choice that skips the need to do the work. Especially if you go on to build your future around eating there."You missed the WHOLE point of that analogy, but somehow I'M the illiterate one?? FUCK YOU, even one of my friends who has dyslexia and worse autism than me could understand that shit better than you.I literally said that you shouldn't be telling people what to do with their lives just because YOU don't find it "necessary" That's why there's a fucking loneliness epidemic amongst GenZ, they don't even bother anymore because YOU told them not to! How does that make you feel, huh? you know what? fuck you, there's no point in trying to reason with people like your retarded ass
>>33853003>first time posting to 4chanEverything's fine, except for posting your face and using your name rather than leaving it blank like I'm doing now.>discordWhile I think my own opinion of online friendships and relationships being rather fulfilling is quite outside the normal response to such a question, I don't think LDRs will "work" in the long term without both parties trying to close the distance with each other fairly early on; in your case, mostly using a relationship as a friendship, then there's little necessity for that. I myself really only communicate with this very pleasant girl I found on >>>/soc/ one day, initially aiming for a friendship, then a relationship, then a friendship again.>dating appNot a good option, at least if you're a man anyway; studies have been done on how these platforms work, and from what I recall it mainly involves manipulating who gets shown to whom, using the most alluring people as bait for many of the uglier people to stay on them, only potentially improving, in theory, their chances once they actually pay for some sort of "premium." I think you would have much better chances by just literally going outside and directly asking guys "I think you're cute, would you like to go out on a date sometimes?" Guys tend to be much more direct about these things, and will take it nicely.>Sub5 to Low-tier-beckyI don't think these sorts of ratings are helpful, as they try to appeal to some sort of objective beauty through only one person; I think a much more productive way of rating people would be to take a bunch of people, show them a picture, and ask whether or not they could see themselves in certain situations with the person, and then you'd _actually_ get some useful data. For myself, your face is similar to the girls I tend to find most attractive: a bit tired looking, somewhat androgynous leaning towards feminine, pleasant eyes. I will attach an example I have saved as to show I'm not lying about this.
>>33853646FINALLY, FUCKING SOMEONE WHO ANSWERED THE QUESTION INSTEAD OF GIVING ME THIS BLUE-PILLED BULLSHIT OR BLAMING ME FOR MY SITUATION, THANK YOU ANON!btw, I only posted my face because I know some people won't believe me if I said I was unattractive and didn't provide a photo, so :p (people are weird)
>>33853003If you're a girl, and not a guy, just know that I would smash. Also you have an exAnd you consider going on dating apps as a "last resort"Two things that men here don't have a chance to do. Consider yourself extremely lucky that you don't know what to be TRULY out of options feels like. And go on those dating apps and just work on your discernment skill - to find the good guy rather than the problematic ones or the ones that seek only sex without commitment
>>33853003>>be me (18/female>>Wanting to get a boyfriend because I'm lonely but not having a lot of successAt your age it's as easy as just taking some better pics and maybe choosing an outfit more designed to attract guysAlso sounds like you swallowed a lot of demoralization, hard for me in a single post to convince you to reject it. Short version - be less terminally online.
>>33853615>>33853615Oh, i dont know truly, it could possibly be MOST OF MY GOD DAMN LIFE SINCE MIDDLE SCHOOL?????atp I'm convinced most of y'all didn't even bother to read the actual post I made and just wanted an excuse to make yourselves look morally superior or some shit as some sort of adrenaline rush or whatever. This is why our generation can't solve problems, it's all run by attention seeking assholes like you.
>>33853639You've been invited to save yourself because no one else can. You've been invited to solve your own problems because no one else can. You've decided to down the route of blaming others and excuses. You've literally said you will not solve your own problems.In our interactions you have failed to once conceed any ground, admit any truth to what I've said or sound remotely like you want anything other than your narrative to take precedent.You are too closed off and sensitive to have been ready for the answers you got. >>33853683I don't believe you. The reason you can't solve your problems is because you refuse to acknowledge that they are your problems to solve. I've just gave you my best shot at passing on the advice and insights that saved my life. I don't run shit.
>>33853003I though u were trans guy
>>33853711You know what? fuck you, you're right, and I am wrong no matter what I say because you're always in the right! Because nobody actually taught me how to solve my problems growing up, I was expected to figure that out on my own, my WHOLE life. Of course I'm gonna be "closed off" and pissed at the world for leading me down a path like this, infact i think most of my problems would've been solved if it truly WERE as simple as "just work on yourself". And of course I'm emotionally stunted because of that lack of social development from a young age, you think I don't know that? kill yourself.You know, this whole argument could've been avoided, if you just read the original post from the start and not told ME how I should live MY life that once again, I NEVER CHOSE TO HAVE!!!!! God forbid I open my retarded mouth for anything, huh? >I don't run shit.Apparently you act like you do. because you can't even be bothered to just listen to anything someone else says, but somehow, SOMEHOW, you have the nerve, the ARROGANCE, to point out MY short comings?Heh, And you wonder why I don't listen to anyone! Just get off this thread and leave me alone, apparently we can't come to a conclusion here, so I'm ending it here. Goodnight, Tardnon. <3
>>33853762I don't blame you, I actually was trans up untill a couples months ago lmao (I guess the transphobes were right when they said it was a phase, because I love being a girl and stuff :3)
>>33853711Oh, and PS! >"because you refuse to acknowledge that they are your problems to solve"I do actually acknowledge that I have my flaws, THEIR RIGHT THERE FOR EVERYONE TO SEE, and everyone knows I'm not one bit perfect! WHO IS??? the problem is that you think it's somehow easy to fix those when my family can't even keep the damn house clean because everyone's too busy making empty promises that will never be fulfilled. (seriously, it's disgusting in here, but nobody bothers to do anything and I hate it)So yeah, go fuck yourself <3
>>33853003You are a disgusting tranny parents must be proud get a job and look like a normal member of society instead of a walking cigarette
>>33853565Yeah cause you need to take care of yourself what do you bring to the table? Absolutely nothing who would want you
>>33853803I would bring something to the table IF THE TABLE WERE FUCKING THERE. Self care doesn't mean shit without a system to uphold that, and unless my parents actually fucking do something about that soon, I will never bring to the table. You're real lucky I just took an edible, because I am NOT in the mood to argue with retards on the internet rn. God, this whole thread got more angry than it needed to be, all because ONE asshole couldn't keep her mouth shut.
>>33853840are you trans
>>33853864I'm not, but I was from 2021ish to about a couple months ago.It's also around the same time period where I discovered I liked being called "Luca) and shit, it's interesting to say the least.Thanks for asking anon!
>>33853886you look gorgeous
>>33853003I would also smash. You look a little jewess, but that's the worst thing I can say. I'd be nice to you and get you out of the house if you're ok with an open relationship? Lmk, been considering a move to CO anyway, I have family out there.
>>33853773I get it^^ i used to be nonbinary as a phase but now I also love being a girl and wearing girly stuff
>>33854398Post tits or this is fake
You just need to find a hairstyle or clothes that match you.
>>33853003I think as a female you will be able to choose a guy you want to date quickly on dating apps from what I understand, but that the guys that seem to have the most amazing commercial like profiles probably want to keep sleeping with lots of women afterwards. I don't use it though.
>>33854452You got discord? I'm not comfortable with posting publicly yet (plus I don't want my mom finding out and shit, you know?)
>>33855684dont actually show anyone your tits you fucking tard
>>33855684Post feet
>>33855692Leave this website and never come back.
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>>33855684Look a guy pretending to be girl, is trans.Thats what you are doing now.What were you doing before when you were trans? Also, are you willing to take trains and planes? Cause it would help if you weren't in the middle of nowhere.Sorry to say, most people don't want your dik.At least tell people you have a dik, and you'll get some gay guys. Which is probably what you want.You understand? Good luck
>>33855684NTA. If you live in N. Texas and send your tits with timestamp and I'll take you for coffee. I havent dated in awhile so it'd be nice practice even if it goes nowhere.
>>33855733just cuz im trying to prevent another sub 5 female from going the whore route for attention?
>>33853003Are you guys retarded or somethingThis is obviously a troon anglefrauding
>>33855746If you need to post something show your toes
>>33855756>>33855756I'm not transfemme, I'm a cis woman, haven't been in transition since, idk a couple months ago? can't even remember cause it's been so long >Sorry to say, most people don't want your dikGood thing for you, i don't have one, so no need to worry bout that>Also, are you willing to take trains and planes? I'm sorry, I can't. Never been on a plane before, and the closest train station near me is somewhere downtown (which is nearly an hour away)
>>33855783It's an older photo that I had lying around in my pictures file and shit. If you want, i can post a more recent photo to this thread.
>>33855684maw90.dont forget the .
>>33855807What were you before when you were trans? A girl pretending to be a guy?And now your a girl, who says they are a girl?>an hourReally? You sure? I get some states are more dead then others.But you are literally in middle of nowhere or don't know enough places?Try trains (stations) in your google map with location turned on?Also a plane is just a bed in sky. Although "flying" can make people feel "sick" sometimes.Lets say i took a plane, and met you.And let's pretend I'm perfect guy (I'm not)and very handsome (not that much).And after a day or maybe a week of hanging with you, or "date" if you wish it to be. I decide to go back, and want you to come visit my town for a couple days. Would you? Also What if i want you to stay, not for me, but just not to be in middle of nowhere?I'm just asking to see what you think. You can be in desert if you wish.
>>33855886>I get some states are more dead then others.Yeah, it is kind of dead over here, not to mention boring as hell if you're not rich or into hiking. I've thought about running away to California or something and living my life here and shit, but then my mom would call the cops and I'd end up getting deported back to Colorado and shit, so really idk anymore>Lets say i took a plane, and met you. And let's pretend I'm perfect guy (I'm not) and very handsome (not that much). And after a day or maybe a week of hanging with you, or "date" if you wish it to be. I decide to go back, and want you to come visit my town for a couple days. Would you? I think I would, but my main problem is that I can't drive, and (once again) I don't want my mom finding out and calling you a pedophile and shit, and then ruin it like she ruined my last relationshipMaybe if I can somehow get my parents to buy me a bus pass (if they actually decide to keep their promise for once), and then me and hypothetical partner could meet somewhere downtown, that could work. (fun fact: that was actually how me and my ex were planning to meet before my mom nearly found out)
>>33855886>What were you before when you were trans?A girl pretending to be a guy? And now your a girl, who says they are a girl?Pretty much yeah. The pipeline actually kinda goes like this:>cis>demigirl>nonbinary>Trans (ftm)>Xenogender galore (I had no idea what the hell I was doing at all during that period)>nonbinary>cisIn that order.Thanks for asking anon!
