>What do you losers bring to a relationship?
nothing. i have a good oratory and some muscles and thats it
>Why would a woman choose you?
for my vibes
>What do you bring to the table?
potential. im 19 but no pussy no motivation

Fucking autocorrect. I meant to write incel not uncle.

Anyway, back to the topic. Why would a woman want some fucking retard basement dweller that never talks to women? Women have intuition and they know whether you are a man or a bitch ass.

They can tell you frequent forums.
They know you have zero social skills. You don't know how to make women laugh.
You never hit a fucking gym.
You don't know how to dress.
You don't know how to fuck.
You can't regulate your emotions.
You're not a leader, you can't see people's flaws and work together to improve them.
You lack empathy. You don't know how to have a shared genuine experience.
You lack discipline. You don't know when to speak and when to keep your mouth shut.
You lack principles. Even if you had principles, you wouldn't know how to maintain boundaries.

You're all a bunch of fucking losers. A lot of you genuinely think you're entitled to a partner. The universe has decided that in your current state, what you deserve is nothing.

>>33853889
Do you have good work ethic?
Are you educated and well read?
Do you respect yourself?
Do you believe the world should fall at your feet just because you exist?
Are you man enough to voice your opinions?
Are you also man enough to walk away when someone disagrees or disrespects you?
Do you have your own principles or do you let society dictate that for you?
Are you good at your job?
How much effort are you willing to put into a relationship?
Are you looking for a woman to complete you? Or to complement you?

The list goes on niggers. Start thinking

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>>33853893
I am a 40y old 3/10 neet chud with no job, no house, no money, no future, nothing. But I won't settle for anything less than a 7/10 with a banging body and pretty face who is half my age.
God owes me a beautiful loving white wife to make up for the cards I've been dealt in this life and for all the suffering I had to endure.

I could go on niggers

Are you genuine and yourself in interactions? Or do you try to be someone or something you're not
Do you see the potential in people? Or just their flaws?
Are you a constructive person? Or just destructive?
Are you fiscally responsible?
Can you take care of a woman? Or do you just expect they take care of you?
Are you willing to put a woman in her place, not for your benefit, but for her own benefit
Can you hold zero tolerance for disrespect, but be respectful about how you go about that


I can keep going niggers

>>33853893
That would make sense if women were all of that and couldn't find the same in men, but that's really not the case if we want to be honest and that's where the argument becomes a moot point.

>being funny
Most women's definition of humour is tiktards making noises, I've hardly ever found a funny woman
>social skills
Most women are awful at communication and picking up social cues, hence why they bitch about their crush/bf not understanding them
>gym
At least one third of women is disgustingly obese
>dressing well
I concede that somewhat, still most of their fashion is just copying whatever is trend and buying cheap slop from shein
>don't know how to fuck
Again, women usually being the passive part, one can easily argue that they're even worse at it since they don't have to do any effort to obtain and there's barely social pressure to perform
>managing muh emotions
They literally spend half of their life throwing tantrums over the most trivial shit and justify it with muh period
>leadership
They get the ick if you don't choose which restaurant the date is at, they never take the lead
>muh empathy
Women only have empathy for other women, children and (some) animals. If you're someone/thing they deem repulsive like a hobo, a weak guy or even an unwanted child they'll abuse, manipulate and exploit the fuck out of you
>discipline
Women notoriously hold 2/3 of all credit card debt in spite of being only half of the population, they have zero self control and are much more impulsive and lazy than your average moid
>principles
They just believe whatever social media tells them

One has no right to demand what they're unable to achieve themselves. It is entirely correct to say that moid quality has massively deteriorated and we should acknowledge that, but women are just as bad and thus they shouldn't have the right to demand the best when they are nowhere near it.
The only reason they're able to is because they can, everything else is cope

>>33853937
Keep going.

>>33853986
You act like life is fair and men and women are equals. They aren't. Men have different roles and expectations.
Part of being a man is realising women are almost like children and they need to be contained

Give me a minute. I'll respond to your post and explain why you're retarded

>>33853910
>good work ethic
Yes, but do you genuinely believe this is something they base their choice of mate on? They're not the HR department of a multinational
>Are you educated and well read?
Yes, I'm finishing my MSc and I read at least one book per month, usually more
>Do you respect yourself?
Yes, hence why I wouldn't get engaged with a raging mysandrist or a hoe
>Do you believe the world should fall at your feet just because you exist?
No
>Are you man enough to voice your opinions?
Yes, although I see no point in chasing drama unless it potentially leads to an enriching debate
>Are you also man enough to walk away when someone disagrees or disrespects you?
As stated above, yes
>Do you have your own principles or do you let society dictate that for you?
Yes, but again, it's silly to believe that openly voicing your own values will make women fall for you. Faking normie principles arguably gives you more of a chance than being honest about idiosyncratic beliefs
>Are you good at your job?
I'm a uni student jobcel, i have a good average, inshallah I'll be a good wagie too
>How much effort are you willing to put into a relationship?
Depends on the relationship's quality, if the other person is serious about it and doesn't want to fuck me over then I'd be willing to put in a lot
>Are you looking for a woman to complete you? Or to complement you?
Yes, that would be one the main goals of having a gf, complementing is probably a better choice of words
>The list goes on niggers. Start thinking
None of this guarantees you a gf and you know it anon. 90%+ of today's relationship are an ephemeral experience based on a consumerism-like mindset which makes normgroids choose their partner on the basis of materialistic superficialities and dooms the whole thing to end once boredom sets in. To them "love" is just like buying a new phone, once the novelty is gone they'll throw you away, it's about the experiential aspect, not about building a lifelong bond.

>>33853910
>Do you have good work ethic?
absolutely not. im working on it though. its just really bad to do something consistently when you are doing it while daydreaming and with the internet to distract you
>Are you educated and well read?
im trying to be. im getting into existentialism because its probably what i need
>Do you respect yourself?
no. if i did, i wouldntbe on the situation i am in
>Do you believe the world should fall at your feet just because you exist?
no because i have already seen this wont happen. i waited for it and what did i get? nothing. my "friends" instead of encouraging me to do something said i would never achieve what i wanted so i just got passive about everything.
>Are you man enough to voice your opinions?
depends on my intent with the other person. if i want to have someone in my life i voice everything and argue everything, but if its someone i just need something and wont ever see again i put a facade and agree with everything
>Are you also man enough to walk away when someone disagrees or disrespects you?
same logic as above, tho I didn't with the friends aforementioned. i dont contact them anymore tho.
>Do you have your own principles or do you let society dictate that for you?
I'm trying to go Christian through existentialism.
>Are you good at your job?
dont have one
>How much effort are you willing to put into a relationship?
enough for it to be my one and only, tho I'm a man, not a woman, and I'm pretty sure women don't want only one relationship.
>Are you looking for a woman to complete you? Or to complement you?
im looking for s child-bearer and a reason to live. doesnt matter the specifics

Big House
Pool
Money
Cars
Safety

>>33854003
I can agree with that to an extent, but the point is that there is no point in having a relationship if the other person brings nothing to the table. In a traditional setting, men and women are unequal as you say, but only in the sense that they have different rights and duties, aka different ways of contributing in the relationship: women don't have to lead, but they have to support you emotionally when things are dire; they don't have to work as much but they have to look more about the children, and so on.
In a modern setting they simply have all of the rights (including the traditionally manly ones) but none of the duties: I have to lead but they can get the ick if I cry when a dear one dies and divorce rape me; I have to foot the bill and work 12 hours per day but I also have to clean everything even though she works part-time, etc.

So what's the point in that? Let's make a concrete example. My family is relatively well off, I'm already richer than most of the world just by virtue of that. Despite not really being a Chad, im still not unfuckable and in the past I have received some attention from girls, although I haven't reciprocated mostly for the listed reasons as well.
Now, ideally I'd get with a nice girl, look after her dutifully and make a nice family, but what if this is no longer possible cuz they're backstabbing opportunists that'll leave me once they get bored?
Then why should I run the risk of getting emotionally abused and financially raped when I can just pump and dump third world monkeys eager for my inheritance?
In alternative, even if I were broke the latted wasn't possible, why shouldn't I just jerk my meat until I get a stroke?

>>33853986
>Most women's definition of humour is tiktards making noises, I've hardly ever found a funny woman
>>Spoken like someone who has never made anyone laugh.
Also, being funny is a sign of high social intelligence. Nobody ever thought "let me find what makes someone laugh", they just instinctively are funny.


>Most women are awful at communication and picking up social cues, hence why they bitch about their crush/bf not understanding them
>>Women are a lot better at social cues than men. This is biological. Women are more subtle in communication, and 90% of seduction is just understanding and acting on body language.


>At least one third of women is disgustingly obese
>>Literally irrelevant. Nobody is telling you to go after fat chicks. In fact, that would be pathetic. A man that has a good body shows discipline and self care. A skinny fat nerd clearly gives no fuck about his life.


>I concede that somewhat, still most of their fashion is just copying whatever is trend and buying cheap slop from shein
>>Most men can't even find clothes that fit. Women actually care about this. Once you dress good, you signal that you have status


>Again, women usually being the passive part, one can easily argue that they're even worse at it since they don't have to do any effort to obtain and there's barely social pressure to perform
>>Women never were good at sex. Next.

>They literally spend half of their life throwing tantrums over the most trivial shit and justify it with muh period
>>Women are more emotional. Man lands on moon.

>They get the ick if you don't choose which restaurant the date is at, they never take the lead
>>Women aren't supposed to lead.

>They just believe whatever social media tells them
>>Women will latch onto the principles society instilled in them from a young age until they meet a man who isn't a pussy. After that, she embodies the man's values and principles. Only works if you're not a bitch.

>>33854037
I'm just getting some of you retards to think. It's not a rule book

>>33854084
I fucked up the formatting
My responses have 2 >>

>>33854081
Welcome to the modern world.
Things are fucked.
But every one of your ancestors managed to find a partner and have offspring.

It's your turn.

>>33854081
Women have ways been backstabbers. And men used to put them in their place. Men would provide for women. Now, women for the most part can provide for themselves because of the job market and feminism.
Women don't need men like they used to. Nowadays, you gotta have a lot higher value to even be in a relationship. You need to bring more to the table. It's unfair, but I didn't create society.

The best thing a guy can do today is have self respect and try his best to build his value. Only then would a woman even want to stay with you. Because they know they ain't going to find better if they leave you.

>>33854084
>Spoken like someone who has never made anyone laugh.
>Also, being funny is a sign of high social intelligence. Nobody ever thought "let me find what makes someone laugh", they just instinctively are funny.
My whole reply is about double standards, I never mentioned anything about my comedic abilities or lack thereof. I'm generally considered funny by most if that matters though, including the women I spent time around, I just don't think joking is not as funny with them since their sense of humour is is much more conformist than that of a man
>Women are a lot better at social cues than men. This is biological. Women are more subtle in communication, and 90% of seduction is just understanding and acting on body language.
No, not really, if they really were good at picking up social cues they wouldn't spend days wondering whether Chad Thundercock likes them or not and discussing it with fellow Beckys. If you twist your hair and look at your crush for 10 milliseconds that's not subtle communication, that's just the privilege of not being expected to be a good communicator
>Literally irrelevant. Nobody is telling you to go after fat chicks. In fact, that would be pathetic. A man that has a good body shows discipline and self care. A skinny fat nerd clearly gives no fuck about his life.
That's very much relevant though, If i do my best to maintain an attractive body then I would expect my gf to do the same. The point is that most women expect a 6'9 toned Greek god while not being its female equivalent

1/2

>>33853893
All wrong except the empathy part, I have empathy only for a select few.

>>33854100
>Women have ways been backstabbers. And men used to put them in their place. Men would provide for women.

This shit is so hilariously delusional. Its like you peopel don't even have grandparents. In the average boomer "trad" relationship the man is the epitome of a pussy whipped Beta, nagged into such total submission he needs wo ask his wife for permission if he wants to go for a few beers with his buddies to live vicariously through the niggerball team of his choosing.
Divorce has been a godsend for men, I am thankful every day that I can always leave at the drop of a hat if my woman starts getting fucky instead of adding to my life.

>>33854084
>Most men can't even find clothes that fit. Women actually care about this. Once you dress good, you signal that you have status
That's really one of the biggest memes of this faux-trad Tatesque movement, your outfit impacts maybe 5-10% of a woman's choice, your facial and physical attractiveness are a precondition to everything else.
Women aren't going to salivate over you just because you've bought a bespoke tailored business suit and shown up at McDonald's with it like a true sigma male, especially if you're a 4'1 bald jeet with autism
>Women never were good at sex. Next.
I mean, then we again come to the same question, why should you put in effort if the other doesn't even try? Why should I struggle to fuck like a sex god if women can just stand there like a dead starfish and then mock me on normiegram for having a small dick?
>Women are more emotional. Man lands on moon.
Being prone to emotion shouldn't excuse you from being a retard throwing fits for no reason, they should be expected to self-moderate
>Women aren't supposed to lead.
Fair enough, then they should agree to take on their traditional duties
>Women will latch onto the principles society instilled in them from a young age until they meet a man who isn't a pussy. After that, she embodies the man's values and principles. Only works if you're not a bitch.
That's what you guys don't get, it doesn't matter whether you're a little bitch or a true alpha 25 inches Chad, a woman with no morals will eventually make your life hell no matter what. Even the richest, most attractive and sought after men in the world get ruined by whores like it happened to Depp. What's even the point in being with somebody that only respects you out of convenience or fear? Would you be friend with somebody that openly admits they'd scam you, mock you and beat you if you trusted them enough to put them in such a position?
A real traditional woman would support you even if you're temporarily weak

>>33853874
What does Chad bring to the table?
- Good looks
- Knows how to use his dick (probably)
That's it, or at least that's all it needs to be.

That said, I'm sure what you/re really thinking of in terms of "the table" is being on it prone while Tyrone fucks your ass, right?

>>33854160
>>Women have ways been backstabbers. And men used to put them in their place. Men would provide for women.
>This shit is so hilariously delusional. Its like you peopel don't even have grandparents. In the average boomer "trad" relationship the man is the epitome of a pussy whipped Beta, nagged into such total submission he needs wo ask his wife for permission if he wants to go for a few beers with his buddies to live vicariously through the niggerball team of his choosing.
>Divorce has been a godsend for men, I am thankful every day that I can always leave at the drop of a hat if my woman starts getting fucky instead of adding to my life.


Never read so much shit in my entire life, nigger. Where did I say men are or should be pussies? I'm saying men are providers. They are bread winners. They set rules. Boundaries. They fix things. They are the parent of a relationship with a woman which is just a grown child.

Also, just fucking lol at you thinking you will ever be victorious in a divorce. A divorce is you basically admitting you couldn't control your wife. You chose the woman, why couldn't you keep her beneficial to your life?

>>33854202
>your outfit impacts maybe 5-10% of a woman's choice

While thats may be true, you can ruin the best physique with a bad outfit very easily. Also its not about "tailored suits" because the 50s have been over for nearly a century, but about clothing that accentuates your strengths and emphasizes the best part of your physique while showing that you have taste instead of just buying *brand name* and loookign like an advertisement.

>Being prone to emotion shouldn't excuse you from being a retard throwing fits for no reason

The thing is that this type of AWALT guy always looks for an excuse as to why all women he meets are dogshit.
Thing is, if you only manage to attract the bottom of the barrel crazy chicks while putting off better ones, the problem is with you. AWALT neatly deflects the responsibility to look at yourself and fix whatever is wrong at the cost of dooming you to have to deal with crazy BPD bullshit for the rest of your life.

>>33854245
>Where did I say men are or should be pussies?

I was merely describing how this kind of relationship goes in practice. Once a man is safely enchained to a woman, she has all the time in the world to break him down if she so desires.Like Chinese water torture. Drip, drip drip. No divorce, nos escape. You can only rage and maybe beat her so much until you are exhausted and unable to go on, yet she keeps nagging. And nagging. And nagging.
>I'm saying men are providers. They are bread winners.
The word you are looking for is "Beta Bux". Why any man wants to be that is beyond me.
>They set rules. Boundaries. They fix things.
Never seen that happen in those trad boomer relationships. They do tend to fix a lot of stuff around their house to avoid their wives, that much is true.

>you will ever be victorious in a divorce
What divorce? That requires you underwrite such a retarded contract, which I of course won't because only the most needy beta ever would after the girl browbeat him into doing it.
>A divorce is you basically admitting you couldn't control your wife.
Ist utterly delusional to think that you can control another person like that, which you would know if you ever had a real relationship with a girl that wasn't one of your anime waifu body pillows.

>>33854137
I'm not talking about stand up comedy, smooth brain. It's just little moments that show you're not a retard and you can lighten up a mood. Humour is more than making people laugh. It's about letting women know you're intelligent, fun and unironically you are good with resources.


Women throughout history have never approached men. What point are you trying to make? They drop small hints. They look at you. They ask you questions. They smile at you. There's no formula for it, thats just what they do. Men approach women. Men usually pick up on small cues women give them. Eye contact being the biggest one.
Once again, man lands on moon.

Stop looking at obese fucking women, you pathetic cuck. Workout, get strong, get fit and women will be more attracted to you. I have no idea why you think women being fat means you have to be fat too just to get on their level

>>33854280
Why would a man want to be a bread winner?

So you're asking why should you do what your ancestors did for millions of years?

Are you fucking retarded? Serious question

>>33854302
>what your ancestors did for millions of years?

Before the Neolithic revolution, my ancestors were hunter-gatherers who survived as a tribe, not as individual couplings.
Following that, subsistence farmers survived as family units, you're straight up delusional if you think that a 16th century peasant wife youwld stay at home and knit while every hand was needed to keep the household running.And don't get me started on an industrial workers wife, those were out hustling and grinding all day to help make the rent, no "providing" in sight.

Also, Housewife used to be a liegitimate fulltime job before elextrical househols appliances, running a households on your own without those is an impossible workload. Living alone simply was not a thing before that for neither men nor women, that either meant staying in an expensive pension or a shitty boarding house for both genders.
"Le provider" aka being a chicks personal welfare office is exlucisvely a 1950s thing, something that was abolished not even a generation later due to the men getting cucked and the women going crazy from sitting home all day.
"Mliions of years" my ass, you are clinging to what boils down to a single decade or maybe two right after WWII.
The average "trad marriage" before that was people shcacking up with each other out of economic necessity, much like roommates nowadays.

>>33854376
Adding to that, the 50s housewives only diversions and sources of excitement were nagging, gossiping, cheating and boozing. The ones that didn't do that simply hopped on pills and stared at the electric jew all day while drooling.
This is the reality of what you wish for. Theres a reaons that the Hippie generations men were completely down with women being against that, because they had witnessed what it did to their fathers when they had to deal with a forcibly insane woman all their lives with no means of escape.
Basically, what you phantasize as your dream is a "I'm not locked in here with you. You're locked in here with me" type situation. Which you apparently fail to understand. Careful what you wish for.

>>33854094
No fuck you, I will let the current collapse keep on going as the birth rates drop to near 0.

Get society to do something for me once and i might get back to the rat race. As it stand all of it can go to hell.

>>33854400
>Get society to do something for me
>As he dooms it to irreparable brownification
Bad news, anon.

>>33854400
Society is currently importing hordes of jeetas whoa re so desperate for anything non-pajeet they will even fuck you. Go get 'em tiger

You want white chicks, you will have to stop being a fag first.

>>33854418
I will take way all I can get and give back the least I can. As most people do now.

The only difference I that I welcome the collapse. I will not contribute to a system that is corrupt to it's core and despises me just for being a man.

>>33854037
>None of this guarantees you a gf and you know it anon.
Correct
>90%+ of today's relationship are an ephemeral experience based on a consumerism-like mindset which makes normgroids choose their partner on the basis of materialistic superficialities and dooms the whole thing to end once boredom sets in. To them "love" is just like buying a new phone, once the novelty is gone they'll throw you away, it's about the experiential aspect, not about building a lifelong bond.
This is your proof. You can fulfill the above criteria and still be an unlikable chud.
Using words like normgroid and "ephemeral experience" aren't doing you any favors, generalizing an entire generation of people as short term retards isn't going to help you connect with your peers.
Try being honest with people, encouraging them to do the same, and being upfront about what you want out of a relationship. The ones that aren't compatible will weed themselves out, and the ones that are will stick around. There are definitely people that are just out there to fuck around and have a good time, but you're never going to be able to tell them apart from people who are seriously looking for a relationship unless you get out there and talk to people.

>ITT: Incels bragging about being voluntary losers and thinking that makes them enlightened.

The funny thing is that you can tell they still deep down know that they are pathetic and it's all their own fault which is why they double down so hard to defend their choices by pretending it's because the world is somehow mega screwed instead of things being no better and no worse than they always have been.

>>33854525
You can try and shame men as you have for decades at this point.
It will not helping bring the birth rate up as man bashing does nothing to solve the issue. I hope you enjoy living in a collapse low trust society.

>>33854579
They don't care. They're golems who will just import browns to replace the local population and delude themselves into thinking this won't cause issues.

>>33853889
Fpbp
>for my vibes
You're already lightyears ahead of all the incels ITT. If you vibe with a chick, you can plap that pussy even if you're a fat fuck. I don't recommend being fat, but it works.

>>33853874
Better question is to ask what do women bring?

>>33854579
I think it's funny that you think this was intended to shame you. It was intended to make fun of you. The truth is that normal people who aren't stuck in this retard mentality of yours are dating and having sex and acquiring good memories and having children just fine regardless of how much you seethe about it. Society won't collapse, this is not the first shift in birth rates nor will it be the last and I'll bet you don't even know enough about the historical factors to understand it besides some shit about feminism that you got from YouTube/Twitter grifters. You've sabotaged yourself and I think that's hilarious.

>>33853874
I'm not really interested in putting myself out there because I've not nothing going on for me currently. I'm 25, I just got a job a month ago, I make 10 cents above minimum wage, I don't have a car, I still live with my mom, I'm skinny fat(though I'm working on that), I don't have a degree or a useful skill, My face is probably a 3/10 and I naturally have a serious face which is off putting to most women unless you're good looking, and there's other things that I lack.
I'm not opposed to dating at the moment, but I'm not going to look for love because the cards are stacked against me. I'm also black and I live a very white area in a white province so that doesn't help.
I'm just working on myself until I feel like I'm worth a damn.

I have money. Nice apartment. Healthy hobbies. I love to cook. I'm emotional stable. I follow my principles and have strong core values. I take accountability for every fucking decision I do. What does she bring to the table? STDs and a history of cocks. Women are absolutely cooked beyond the milky way

>>33853874
>What do you losers bring to a relationship?
Anything any man could bring I guess, love and sex and friendship. I may also bring money. I am sure I can bring intellectual and artistic value tho.
I also think I am fairly good looking. I have a shitty posture that doesn't improve but my face seems to be almost as a psl god (I guess I am biased, but until years ago I literally was disgusted by the way I look and I still am if I am not shaved).

>>33853874
What does she bring to the relationship besides a hole? That's the better question. Usually it's just a bunch of emotional manipulation which she hopes to leverage for her own benefit.

>>33853874
Nothing, that's why I'm a virgin. I have zero redeeming qualities in terms of appeal. If I was a normal man and had a daughter and she brought home a man like I am now, I'd think she had gone insane.
What's the point of your question exactly?

>>33853874
>What do you losers bring to a relationship?
Im already pissed at you and certainly am not interested in people like you. Im not a looser.

I bring a full time job and emotional stability. That should be enough for women and was enough for women for thousands of years before you leftie faggots ruined civilisation.