Long story short, I'm writing a plot device to be used for a story later. But I've got a dilemma in my story. If a society can create perfect synthetic women, what unique value does an organic woman have outside of child birth/Ova production? I'm trying to keep this as believable and logical as possible. In all of my explanations within the story is sensible and doesn't involve "well...just because okay!" or "space magic" as a reasoning for anything. But I keep coming back to this question. I'm really trying to prevent the women of my story from essentially becoming body farms but when faced with the consequences of such a system it always devolves into that.
A true love. An understanding of a meaning of a life and all of it sorrows - life is not just sex, perfect tits and ass. To ask "What unique value does an organic woman" is to say "There is no such thing as person, there is only meat and my animal desires.
Are they also making perfect synthetic men? That would raise the question of what unique value men have outside of making money and sperm.
>>33868108What attracts males and females is fundamentally different. The feminine version is easily replicated, the masculine isn't. The feminine is a fuckbot that can fold laundry, do the cooking, keep the house clean and have interesting conversation.The masculine would be much more complex. Robo men will not be more interesting to women than a dildo. Women are attracted to status, a literal possession will not do it for them beyond sexual gratification.>>33866904Define it.If “true love” means permanent, loyal, exclusive, self-sacrificing, Immune to mood, trend, or better offers. Then most modern women don’t offer it.They offer conditions, not covenant. That’s more true than the real thing.
>>33868189I mean, what’s the point of your story?A woman is just another person (despite what people on 4chan keep saying).If you could have someone better — it doesn’t matter who, let’s say your best friend — you could make them more obedient, prettier, or whatever you want. Would you really unmake them just to have a perfect synthetic friend?Are you saying, that you see nothing more in life than ugly packages and prettier ones you can fuck for your own pragmatic reasons?Man, there’s so much more than what we can see with our bare eyes. And to name one of it it is: love.
>>33865946>If a society can create perfect synthetic women, what unique value does an organic woman have outside of child birth/Ova production?None, and if they create a DNA bank with all women DNA, genetic engineering, artificial bellies, they will be obsolete.
>>33868412>Are you saying, that you see nothing more in life than ugly packages and prettier ones you can fuck for your own pragmatic reasons?You are the one resuming everything into sex. Waifubot can have ANY personality you desire, can be funny, loyal... It's not just about the package. But yeah, the package matters too, if you can have a wife with 0.00001% looks, and one bellow average, which one would you pick?
>>33868412This is an emotional appeal built on false equivalence and projection.>what’s the point of your story?It started as just being bored asking AI quesitons. Now it is an entire techno-religious cult based off of body purity and the holy machine. Imagine a bizzaro world Mechanicus and you'd be starting to get close. It's written in a way that all you have to do to allow it to come into being is for things now to continue as they are. Technology is naturally progressing toward that. > “A woman is just another person.”No. A woman is a biological category with reproductive power and behavioral patterns that shape civilization. Treating her as “just a person” ignores sexual dynamics, evolutionary psychology, and social asymmetries. This is not 4chan—it’s basic anthropology.> “Would you unmake your best friend for a synthetic one?”False analogy. Men aren’t replacing friends--they’re replacing untrustworthy mates.Most men don’t ask for perfection. They ask for loyalty, peace, and permanence.Modern women fail that routinely. Synthetics solve it.> “Is life just prettier packages to fuck?”No.But if the “real” ones lie, cheat, age with resentment, weaponize intimacy, and mock devotionthen yes, the prettier loyal one wins despite it's artificial nature.> “There’s more than what we can see. Like love.”Define it. You can't.If “true love” means: permanent, loyal, exclusive, self-sacrificing, immune to mood, trend, or better offers Then most modern women don’t offer it. They offer conditions, not covenant.All female love, except maybe the love from your mother, is conditional and based off of providing something to her in return for basic things like affection and give a fuck.If a synthetic partner gives: daily presence, eternal memory, no deception, no drift. That’s more true than the real thing.
>>33868412>Would you really unmake them just to have a perfect synthetic friend?Am I fucking my friend? Nop, so it wouldn't matter, but their personality should matter a lot, and a bot can have any personality you want.
>>33868446>if they create a DNA bank with all women DNAAll call these grailes within my system. They provide ova in exchange for protection and provisions. >>33868446>genetic engineeringThis is heretical within my system. I'm trying to avoid Tzeenthian monkey's paw horrors.>>33868446>artificial belliesPermitted but only under extreme situations where natural birth isn't viable because [see previous].
>>33868454Honestly, this thread with you was my first time when I posted something here. I have nothing much to say. I wasn't prepared for this kind of dispute. I'm going head back to bed.
>>33868451Referring to sexual intercourse is a form of communication that predates language. That's why I used it. If I had the opportunity to set a better example, I would have, but I simply didn't have the idea. Sorry.
>>33868454>modern womennot that anon, but from what I've seen you post this seems like an incel thread disguised as a pseud literary advice thread to get anons to admit that "modern women == bad", but with plausible deniability.In any case, good women are only as good as bad women are bad. Yin and yang and all that.Can't have one without the other. If you take "bad" women out of the equation i.e. one's that don't lie, cheat, manipulate and all the other shit you wrote then the opposite "good" qualities will loose all value, because they can't be compared to anything. Humans are defined by their shortcomings just as much as they are by their virtues.Unless you plan to make that gay little moral lesson the point of synthetic women existing in your """story""", then they have no real weight to your """world""" other than as a product and-or marketing campaign companies try to push on people who genuinely believe that you can replace real, authentic human connection, in it's flawed entirety, with a programmable, obedient piece of silicone.
>>33868613False premise, circular logic, and contradiction.“Good women are only good because bad women exist.”Then good is just less bad. That's not virtue, it's tolerable failure.If loyalty only matters because betrayal exists, you’ve already accepted misery as baseline. That’s cope.“You can’t replace real, flawed connection with something synthetic.”You absolutely can. Men aren’t replacing flaw. They’re replacing treachery.A synthetic who never lies, cheats, or manipulates is not fake. She’s honest. Something modern women desperately struggle to do. “Humans are defined by shortcomings.”A system that filters for devotion and honesty isn’t erasing humanity.It’s restoring it by freezing out those who weaponize their flaws and call it “real.”“Sounds like an incel story in disguise.”Wrong again.There’s no guarantee of access in my story. The men of this world still have problems men have now, just less female related.Only the worthy bond.Only the loyal are kept.Only the true are remembered.No coomers. No shortcuts. No lies.
>>33868855Nigga, how do you even define loyalty without the existence of betrayal? Why does loyalty even matter at that point if it's a 100% guarantee and if your sex doll doesn't even have the capacity to be disloyal. Why does her love matter if she's incapable of NOT loving you? All of these are circular by their very nature. There is no other way to define them in isolation from each other without making the respective other null and void. There is no right, if wrong doesn't exist.You can make the same statement about any of the virtues you listed.Not like you care about any of that, because you are mentally ill and looking for any leeway to get a gatcha out of anons here and on /pol/ to agree with you admit that modern women are le bad thus validating your abandonment-anxiety induced world view.You don't have a """story""" to begin with, you're just an incel who thinks he's clever because he found an excuse to make an incel thread.>b-b-but that's ad hominemDon't care. Any attempt at reasoning will just prompt you to go back to whatever retarded "logic" you use and pretend like you made some sort of compelling argument for why human women need to be replaced.
>>33868189>What attracts males and females is fundamentally different.that's not true. I don't know why you think that, but its wrong.
>>33868855> A system that filters for devotion and honesty isn’t erasing humanity.It’s restoring it by freezing out those who weaponize their flaws and call it “real.”It is erasing humanity. Flaws are at the very core of human nature. The same goes for advantages. You cannot talk about what is 'human' without considering both evil and good. That is how we are made. Dissolving every flaw strips the essence from our nature. Being faithful does not mean never thinking about betrayal from the day one is born. Like every virtue, it means learning and building yourself to walk the right path in life.
>>33868855>Only the worthy bond. Only the loyal are kept. Only the true are remembered.y'know this could apply to men as easily as it could to women right? Shit a lot of what you wrote about why sexbots are better than women could also apply as to why they are better than men.
>>33869105Female hands typed this post.>It is erasing humanity.Incorrect. You’ve confused flaws with betrayal, and potential with permission.A system that filters does not erase humanity. It defines it by what is preserved.Flaws like doubt, fear, or failure? Endured.Flaws like cowardice or selfishness? Overcome.Flaws like lying, abandoning, or exploiting? Rejected. Not because they’re “inhuman,” but because they destroy trust, and trust is non-negotiable."Being faithful does not mean never thinking about betrayal."Correct.But acting on it disqualifies you. You are free to struggle. You are not free to poison the bond and call it growth.The system doesn’t demand inhumanity. It demands earned virtue not excuses, not “everyone makes mistakes,” not “I was finding myself.”Once bonded, you do not stray. That’s the vow. That’s the line.You are human the moment you uphold it.Not the moment you rationalize breaking it.Such is my story.
>>33868189>The masculine would be much more complex.The number of ai boyfriends right now is ridiculous. Romance scammers go for old women.>Robo men will not be more interesting to women than...The most perfect liar in the world isn't interesting? Look on reddit where they're building idealistic personalities with celebrity looks
>>33869415>The number of ai boyfriends right now is ridiculous. Romance scammers go for old women.Stable providers are called boring. Women don't want synthetic perfection. They are attracted to status, power, and social proof -- signals of dominance earned through competition.A "robo man" can't generate status.He has no career, no struggle, no legacy, no scars.He didn't fight to rise; he was selected like sliding scales on a character creator screen.Worse, he doesn't choose her. She installs him. That kills the fantasy.No woman wants a man she can buy.No woman respects a man she can command.No woman desires a man she can predict.Men don't care about any of that. In fact, that's a selling point to them.If perfect synthetic men existed, they'd have to:- Hold down a job- Earn real money- Command respect from real men- Be envied by other women- Choose one woman over all others by will, not wiringMale value is demonstrated through hardship.Female desire depends on seeing that value conquer the world, then choose her.No machine can fake that and you'll will inevitably end up with a "Yes, honey!"-bot. Then that gets boring and deep down, they know:A man without struggle is just a toy.And women don't love their toys. They use them. Then discard them when new thing is new thing because my friends like new thing and I have to also like new thing to still be relavent with friend a and d even though friend d doesn't get alone with friend e so I ......so on and so forth.
God, OP is such a faggot. This faggy novel will go nowhere, and you are mentally stunted. You just want people to engage with your semantic sophism to confirm your own ideas. Have you ever had meaningful relationships with human beings? Stop theorycrafting life itself. >>33868613There is nothing I hate more than a pseud
>>33868454ngl gang this rebuttal feels AI generated.
>>33871145Why? Because — is included? It's just alt 0151.
>>33871169Honestly, the dash was a flag but not the main trip. I'll continue being honest by stating that I don't quite have the ability to convey why I feel it's AI generated, but I'll give it a shot anyway.1. "It's not X, it's Y."We see a few examples of this or its derivative, with examples I noticed below.>This is not 4chan—it’s basic anthropology.>Most men don’t ask for perfection. They ask for loyalty, peace, and permanence.>Men aren’t replacing friends--they’re replacing untrustworthy mates.> That's not virtue, it's tolerable failure.>>338688552. RepetitionThis is something I've noticed about AI writing that I didn't really see in human writing before, especially pre 2022.>No coomers. No shortcuts. No lies.>>33868855>Flaws like doubt, fear, or failure? Endured. Flaws like cowardice or selfishness? Overcome. Flaws like lying, abandoning, or exploiting? Rejected. Not because they’re “inhuman,” but because they destroy trust, and trust is non-negotiable.>>33869269There's probably more but I'm not bothered digging.3. Bog standard /pol/ mindset on women.I'm torn between marking this flag as AI or just you being a grade A asshole. You make it seem like women are inherently evil or out to get you, and you seem pissed that love is actually conditional. Surprise, dipshit. All love is conditional. Some conditions are easier to meet than others, and what those conditions are varies from being to being. I'm not going to provide examples for this one because it would be every fucking post you've made in this thread.
>>33871195>You make it seem like women are inherently evil
>>33871214Failed to address the rest of the criticism, and replied with a GIF that's open to interpretation. What childish behavior. As people my age say, syfm bro
>>33871214Continuation of >>33871220, because this mf is actually pissing me off the more I think about it.All love you get is conditional, even your mothers love. As I said earlier,>Some conditions are easier to meet than others, and what those conditions are varies from being to being. You giving your love to someone else is also conditional, and don't try to take the high road and claim that's not the case. We all know that's not true because we also realise our love is conditional.I'm willing to take a guess that you don't have an in depth conversation with every person you see. I'm also willing to guess that you don't go around fucking randos, indiscriminate of gender, age geographical location, disability, and any other condition under the sun because GUESS WHAT, LOVE IS CONDITIONAL AND FINITE. It really doesn't matter if the love we're talking about is romantic, sexual, or platonic. It still has conditions, it still has limits. Let's assume you get a partner, or have one right now. Sure, you love them, but if they cheated on you, betrayed you, crimes against humanity, or anything else you have a strong bias against, chances are you're gonna love her less, or even stop loving her completely. My ex cheated on me and I stopped loving them that second. Sure, I cared about them, and wanted to make sure their critical needs were met, but any romantic or sexual spark I had with them was just gone. Say it with me now, LOVE IS CONDITIONAL. And even if you find a partner, you also have to account for the fact that their love is conditional too. Don't be a dick, don't cheat, be able to provide are common conditions for a partners love, but you can find people who don't have those conditions for their outbound love and relish in it.
>>33871262You've insinuated asking "what is love" a few times in this thread, let me answer for you.Love is kindness. Love is loyalty. Love is hard work. Love is sacrifice. Love is scary. Love is maddening. Love is a force we cannot fully understand or control.Love is human.TL;DR, you're a pretentious asshole who gets off on demonising women, while having no understanding of the underlying functions of affection. You addressed one line out of several after asking me to make an explanation, completely ignoring the rest of my criticism while attempting to be tongue-in-cheek. You have to grow up and realise that not everybody is out to get you, and hating on half the planet isn't going to get you anywhere in life.
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>>33871263There is a difference between saying “I love you as long as you do not betray me” and “I love you as long as you benefit me.” The first preserves the bond; the second exploits it. One guards the heart, the other drains it. That distinction is the line between devotion and manipulation. Real loyalty demands reciprocity, not utility. It survives through honesty, not profit. Men love idealistically, women love opportunistically. Women are statistically more selective because biology made them the reproductive bottleneck. That selectivity often translates into waiting for the man who already has the traits that signal safety and status rather than helping him build them. In modern conditions where survival no longer depends on mutual labor, many simply opt to join the winner rather than invest in the struggle.There are exceptions. Some women genuinely stay loyal through difficulty, but the social system no longer rewards that kind of devotion. The average woman does not need to endure hardship to secure security; she can just switch partners or rely on institutions.>>33871263>Love is kindness. Love is loyalty. Love is hard work. Love is sacrifice. And when you live in the world feminism has wrought what do we get? >I'm willing to take a guess that you don't have an in depth conversation with every person you see.A large portion of the nation reads at a 6th grade level. Rousing philosophical debate is a rarity for me, this is true.>I'm also willing to guess that you don't go around fucking randosI stopped counting at 37. Once you understand how to unlock the puzzle box that is female vagina the game isn't as fun. Books, ideas and data is more interesting at that point.>>33871220Yes, y'all are 100% demons. There. How's that?>>33871262>Let's assume you get a partnerBeen there done that darlin. It's all the same. Turns out no matter where you go on earth, it's all the same.
>>33865946Status symbol, having a bio wife spouse says at least one of these partners is literally better than a hand crafted relationship slave. Could also be the challenge of getting an bio partner instead of taking the easy route of using a fabricated one. The rich in our world use both of those metrics as status symbols, better wives or husbands and grotesquely bred dogs or pets when a normal but inexpensive one would be better in basically all metrics but status. Also if one of these characters is a nasty peice of work targeting bio women to abuse or manipulate might feel better than simply breaking his third toaster talking vagina.Last I can think of is religious purposes or people who are hyper sensitive to uncanny valley. Like people who can sense the last 0.001% of inhumanity and it grates on them like nails on a chalkboard everytime they interact with a fabricated.
>>33871195Heavy on the AI usage. This feels like OP was even too lazy to write his own shit and plugged it into ChatGPT.
>>33865946From a technical perspective, unlikely that synthetic women would ever reach that level of realism. The greatest counterargument is simply that it's physically impossible.
