>>33886647
also Im 21 and been a friendless virgin my whole life and I spent all of HS in r9k so I admit I might have some issues, but those feelings are still real

>>33886647
Shut up faggot, you have no clue how lucky you are

>>33886935
>lucky for getting sloppy seconds
Sorry. I know. Thats why I want to solve this issue in my head

>>33886647
>How do you guys just cope with the fact that youre not the first yet you want to invest the most time into her?
Most alpha males end up marrying women with more extensive pasts than whichever mid girl you've landed. Do you think Trump was Melania's first?

she can say the same thing about you using 4chan or porn. you're not exactly innocent yourself.

>>33886647
You take her seriously because you like her. The other guy didn't like her, he just wanted to fuck her. Either you want to take her more seriously or you don't.

>>33886997
>>33887009
retarded comparisons sorry

>>33887091
I WANT to take her more seriously but I dont know if I CAN. Like she doesnt seem to take herself seriously.
>The other guy didn't like her, he just wanted to fuck her
and she let him

>>33886647
>but she let some dude treat her like a fleshlight.
I think this is by the far the weirdest part of redpill/insecurity babyboi mindset. I don't know if its some kind of self-defense mechanism or if you genuinely believe this - the idea that women have no agency, desires, thoughts or individuality of their own, that sex is something that HAPPENS to women as opposed to something they actively engage in. If a woman has sex its because someone else TRICKED her into it or USED her vagina like a sex light. Its like it never occurs to you that women might actually have some sexual ideas and identities of their own. Maybe its because I experienced what I estimate to be a pretty normal romantic/sexual awakening from high school to my 30s but I genuinely don't understand how someone ends up being like this.

>How am I supposed to respect her?
Have you wondered why she is supposed to respect you? What is it about you or your worldview or your personality that should garner respect from women? Asking unironically. Examining your own sense of self seems like a good place to start because your brain is fucked, OP.

>i cant fucking take it
Break up with her

>>33887143
Some women like casual sex. You don't have to entertain those if you don't want to, but it reduces your options significantly.

>>33887120
I'm so glad that you'll never recover from autism. Your brain is completely worthless. :)

>>33887153
>1
but thats exactly the thing! I understand she has agency! Thats the problem! You made a wrong assumption. I clearly said "she LET" not "she was FORCED/TRICKED"
>2
she probably doesnt respect me either if the other dude has to dedicate like 10 minutes to her, yet Im supposed to take it slowly, dedicate years of life caring about her and always take her into consideration and be careful about what I do and say
>3
you know what, youre right, I think this is the only solution
>>33887154
I actually dont mind women having casual sex. I think its the fact that she gave away her prime teen pussy in HS that irks me

>>33887153
/thread
OP deserves to die alone

>>33887159
why do you normies need to turn EVERYTHING personal? Did I hurt your ego when I simply found your comparison to be inaccurate? Did I insult you by saying "retarded"? What are you even doing on /adv/ if youre just looking to punch down? Im probably feeding a troll but whatever

>>33886647
>how do you cope with the fact that you're not the first
You should try to figure out where this feeling comes from. Are you worried that her previous lovers were better than you? Are you anxious that she might be biding her time until a better man comes along?
>>33886659
>I spent all of HS in r9k so i admit i might have some issues
doing that in such an important developmental period definitely warped your ideas around social relationships. You're not fucked forever though, i was in a similar boat and managed to fix a lot of the problems it left me with, it just takes time and effort.

>>33887246
>I actually dont mind women having casual sex. I think its the fact that she gave away her prime teen pussy in HS that irks me
It sounds like you just have sour grapes about having missed out on these experiences in your youth. Now you're taking that out on her instead of chasing what you actually want, which is obviously a younger woman.

>>33887249
>"I recognize errors in my thinking and am looking to solve them"
>"actually DIE!"
again, why even come to an advice board then? To troll? Thats like laughing at patients in a hospital. To act holier than thou?

>>33887280
>Are you worried that her previous lovers were better than you?
not really
>Are you anxious that she might be biding her time until a better man comes along?
hmmmm no. Maybe. Like her love isnt real. Like she cant put me on the same pedestal thats expected from me. But I think thats unrelated to the other issue.
>fix a lot of the problems it left me with, it just takes time and effort
Im definitely gonna keep trying to fix it. Thanks for a helpful post

>>33887290
>Now you're taking that out on her instead of chasing what you actually want, which is obviously a younger woman.
Bingo. I think thats it. Im imaging it right now and it really does make me feel better. I believe you really solved it.
So what now?

>>33887355
>Like she cant put me on the same pedestal thats expected from me
Because you're a man, or because she was your first? Either way it may be that you see the loss of virginity as some blessing bestowed by women, whether it's you taking hers or her taking yours.

>>33887409
>So what now?
You move on. If you go chasing after the past you'll just be frustrated at how impossible it is to reach.
You're having sex now, as an adult, with adult women. Your teen self would be happy to know he eventually scores.

>>33886647
We all had her. But you married her.
I guess that makes you the better man.

You're a better man.

>>33887409
I think you should accomplish your dream of fucking a teenage girl. Be man enough to present her to your family and then be rightfully jailed.
It’s hilarious how losers want to get away with it.
You’re seething because she had sex before you. If she reads this thread she will be seething because of the massive pussy piece of shit pedophilic moron she sadly has by her side. Look at the mirror man.

>>33886647
Is sex just better with a girl with an intact hymen who has no idea what she's doing? Where does this meme come from?
>inb4 ur brown an trans lul

>>33887246
>I clearly said "she LET" not "she was FORCED/TRICKED"
You're even doing it now - she "let" someone have sex with her as if she's a claw machine that just gives our prizes to whoever with no sort of desire of her own. In the next sentence you compared her to a fleshlight, a literal inanimate object. Inanimate objects don't have agency.

>she probably doesnt respect me either if the other dude has to dedicate like 10 minutes to her, yet Im supposed to take it slowly, dedicate years of life caring about her and always take her into consideration and be careful about what I do and say
Your brain is so twisted up brother its ridiculous. Its the exact opposite. Do you know what a relationship requires that a quick fuck doesn't? Respect. Trust. Caring. Communication. To let someone into your bed, into your house, to meet your family, to tell them your secrets, to allow them to have an actual impact on your life, to share your weaknesses with them. You think all of that women just give to people they don't respect? But no, its someone she had sex with before who she has no contact with and no relationship with, THAT is the guy she actually has a ton of respect for? She chooses everyday to be with you, to share her life with you, to spend the little time she has alive being with you yet somehow you've convinced yourself that SEX is the real prize, not the hours and days and weeks dedicated to being in a committed relationship. I don't even know how you put this silly shit together in your mind.


>you know what, youre right, I think this is the only solution
You need therapy, brother.

>>33887548
teens are legal here. My old HS classmate even got pregnant by a dude thrice her age

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>>33887676
>Do you know what a relationship requires that a quick fuck doesn't? Respect. Trust. Caring. Communication.
So this is what you propose

>>33887526
honestly, this. This just sticks with me. I know youre shitposting but thats how I feel

>>33886647
>most likely
Maybe she's a virgin, did you even ask?

>>33887740
she could just lie

>>33887721
>So this is what you propose
I'm not sure where I said any of this or how this was your takeaway. I'm specifically trying to get OP to examine this silly idea he has that women really respect the men they had sex with before but they don't actually respect the men that they spend all of their time with, dedicate themselves to and allow into their inner most personal lives on a day to day basis. The same can be said for any gender. The idea that sex is the pinnacle of trust and intimacy is extremely childish. Its devoid of any connection to the actual reality that having sex with someone requires zero respect or emotional involvement. Introducing someone to your parents, giving them a key to your house or letting them sleep in your bed makes you exponentially more vulnerable than just having sex.

>>33887753
Most women aren't ashamed of that nowadays, and there's also a hymen

>>33887761
You're the one who pushes the idea of sex being an inferior and nonintimate activity for sluts

>>33886647
Wouldn't know, all my gfs have been virgins before they met me.

I wasn't actively seeking that out it just happened that way, not that I'm complaining. Pretty sure taking it slow and being respectful was what built the foundation of my relationship with my wife.

>>33887761
>Introducing someone to your parents, giving them a key to your house or letting them sleep in your bed makes you exponentially more vulnerable
Shit, why bother with romantic relationships, if what you really need is a best friend

>>33887676
hey man, its getting late here and Im too tired to pay attention to every part of your post right now. I will definitely return to it tomorrow and give you my thoughts after I gave it a full proper read. I really appreciate your lenghty responses

Btw I want to mention that I have pretty bad mommy AND daddy issues, do you think that plays some role as well?

>>33887777
>You're the one who pushes the idea of sex being an inferior and nonintimate activity for sluts
You're not comprehending anything I'm saying. I don't know if its because English isn't your first language or if you're just so stuck on the sex part that you turn your brain off for the rest of it. Sex isn't inherently intimate or non-intimate. It depends on the people having the sex and what function it serves in their lives. Sex can be the closest you've ever felt to someone or it can feel as impersonal as sticking your dick in a warm bagel. The point isn't that one holds more value than the other - the point is that OP is quick to discount other forms of intimacy as irrelevant despite those forms having far larger an impact on his life and relationships.

If you don't understand what I'm saying this time I don't know how to help you. I can't explain it any simpler.

>>33887798
>Btw I want to mention that I have pretty bad mommy AND daddy issues, do you think that plays some role as well?
Absolutely. Early development plays the LARGEST part in the way you build attachments by far. The first relationships you build in life are with your parents. If those relationships are fucked up then its almost a guarantee that your adult relationships will mimic that dysfunction.

>>33887803
But why respect a woman who wants to be a warm bagel?

>>33886647
>>33886659
Sadly it's something you only get over by getting more notches on your own belt. It really sucks because sex should be this sacred and special thing but we don't live in medieval Christian Europe anymore, unless you get lucky or devote yourself to a cloistered religious community you're gonna likely end up with a girl who has a past.
If it's already bugging you, it might be too late for this relationship I hate to say. I had that problem with my first GF, some guy twice her age groomed and used her in high school, but I was too immature to see it that way and just got the same sort of sickened feeling you did. I tried holding on and it just made us both waste years in a shitty relationship.

Good news, is that it's easiest to get a new gf when you already have one. Start talking to girls more and see if any of them are receptive, you'd be surprised at how much more interesting a friendless former virgin who is currently sticking his dick inside of a woman, is to other women. Yeah monkeybranching is scummy but you might be cooked and you'll both needlessly suffer if you try to make it work when you're icked out.

>>33887794
Best marriages are just best friends who have sex and argue for resolution not to win.

>>33887594
To actually answer your question in good faith, all things being equal a woman with less baggage is preferable to one with more, so a virgin with no relationship experience is the most preferable. As for sexual experience, that can be taught. Enthusiasm and attraction are more important than "experience," any slut can suck a cock and I'd prefer a girl learn on mine than learn on 10 other dudes before me each of whom left her with emotional scars and new standards.

>>33887815
>But why respect a woman who wants to be a warm bagel?
You didn't hear a single word I said, anon. I give up

>>33887761
>>33887803
You need to go back

>>33886647
Why are you trying to respect her?

I'm not memeing.
Answer genuinely.

>>33887863
>No argument
I accept your concession

>>33886647
Respect her? Why do you want to “respect” your girl? That’s gonna turn women off, including her. You’re just realizing why women shouldn’t be respected. Use her for attention and sex. Yeah you’re gonna have some feelings about her, but always know and make it clear that you can and will fuck the next girl out there if you want to.

Understand too that there’s two sides to this. You ideally are gonna have a high body count yourself. Wanting a virgin is genuinely an incel thing and speaks to insecurity, it’s a huge turnoff. Unless she’s literally a blown out pornstar, you shouldn’t care. Doesn’t matter how many guys came before, you are the best she’s ever had because you are the most interesting guy in the world to her when she’s with you. You matter, she doesn’t. You’re an actual playable character in this universe, women are genuine NPCs. She’s another notch in your own belt, stop thinking about it the other way around

>>33887803
>Sex isn't inherently intimate or non-intimate.
>the point is that OP is quick to discount other forms of intimacy

You're not real

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>>33886647
Pretty much that, life is inherently unfair, just accept it. That said, you can make it more fair and reduce the power imbalance in your relationships by increasing your own bodycount.

>>33886647
If you're having sex outside of marriage, you brought this on yourself.
If you're not, then you still brought this on yourself by dating a woman who obviously doesn't value exclusivity or commitment.
And if you're just speculating on what she could have done, you need to stop with the self-harming fantasies.
>How do you guys just cope with the fact that youre not the first
Dumb fornicator problems. Doesn't affect me.

>>33887153
>the idea that women have no agency, desires, thoughts or individuality
He didn't say anything remotely implying this, moron. It's a simple question of what she chose to do. If he didn't think she had agency, he wouldn't care what others did to her. He'd just care what he could do. But because she does have agency, her actions reflect on her character, and behaving like a whore doesn't exactly make a great impression.

>>33887876
I mean what more reddit take is there than
>having sex with someone requires zero respect or emotional involvement
For a woman having sex is risking her entire future if she gets pregnant. I don't care about about contraception, that was the reality for 99% of human history. You fuck a guy, you're having his baby.
Women that engage in casual sex show they don't respect themselves or their bodies, nor do they respect their futures including the feelings of their future husbands.
It's one thing if OP had a hangup purely over his girl having had sex in a previous relationship at all, but a woman that has a one night experience is questionable. At best she let herself get duped by some lothario because she had pussy tingles, at worst she was seeking out casual sexual satisfaction without a relationship which is a big red flag for gf/wife material.

>>33887869
>>33887879
Also these. Hate to say it but the fantasy of women being this awesome equal partner like >>33887835 says is that, a fantasy
Your girl is subordinate to you, not at your level. You need to be ready to cut her loose the same way you need to be ready to put down a dog if it goes bad and bites someone it shouldn't have.

>>33886647
Op, I understand you. There's a reason we value virgins, as it's not a sign of purity but rather a guarantee that the legacy you leave behind will be passed on to your descendants. Studies show that the higher a woman's body count, the greater the risk of instability within a couple, so don't set yourself ambitious goals with her. I think it's good that you're aware of her nature, but you mustn't fall into the trap of idealism. People here are gaslighting you by saying you have a problem, but I think it's society that's sick for blaming people who question this model.

Enjoy this moment, don't get carried away by irrational feelings.

Is this a confirmed thing or not? First sentence says "most likely" and then you say "he took her". Either way, it's just something you're going to have to stomach, it becomes less relevant as each other's investment in the relationship becomes deeper. Get real, you have probably had your stupid sexual encounters or fapped to weird shit too.

get pumped and dumped by the same man so you can better empathize with her.

>>33886647
>Like she most likely

You do realize you are getting all feverish about something that is entirely in your imagination, don't you? "Most likely" is YOUR idea, not reality.

>>33886647
stop being a pathetic fucking loser and get the fuck off the internet

your brain has been rotted by this place and you cant handle it

seriously, no joke, get the fuck off 4chan and stop listening to incels/manosphere types, because they are as fucking retarded as you are

>>33889308
So they should be like you, Mr. Reddit spacer who probably lets his wife “sexually explore” while he sits in the cuck chair rubbing his nub?

>>33887815
Have you never wanted to just nut inside someone without it needing to be a deeply emotionally involved 3 hour act with roses and holding hands and pressing foreheads together and swearing eternal love and shit?

>>33889426
female and male sexuality are completely different

>>33886935
>You're so lucky you're the 95th guy to see my vagina and booty hole, and play with them however you want
>Lol jk only Lamarius or Methhead Steve get to play with my holes however they want. But that's in the past, as long as they're not around to do it anymore. You have to respect me or I accuse you of rape

>>33886997
>Most alpha males end up marrying women with more extensive pasts
Rather, most fathers today are utter cuckolds. Whether they stick around or not

>>33887009
>same thing as 4chan and porn
Nice comparison bubba

>>33886647
>How do I cope with the fact that my gf has been used?
Women are meant to be used, sir. She's not your friend, she's not there to validate you, she's there to give you children and make you a home and give you sex.

>>33888280
Thanks. The thing is some guy just used her, meanwhile I had to earn her. You know what I mean? I do kinda value purity as it fits my idealised vision of women

>>33889426
Sex is what makes women love men, that's why they're the gatekeepers of it. Meanwhile for men a nut is a nut.
If you have a problem with it, take it up with the scientists who proved this is how male and female brain chemistry differ.

>>33889322
Having any kind of gf is at least 5 levels higher than dwelling on here as an incel.

>>33890487
>he puts the pussy on a pedestal
NGMI

>>33886647
Literally who fucking cares. You have a girl who wants to be with you, now.
I'd do anything to have another chance at the mid-tier girls that I fucked over when I was your age.

>>33890578
That has nothing to do with what I said. In fact, putting it on a pedestal makes it harder to get a gf.

>>33890676
Thinking having a gf makes you better than someone that doesn't is the definition of putting it on a pedestal. You're ascribing so much significance to having a piece of pussy, that having it in your life somehow raises you to a higher level.
Guys like you are the oofy doofies for Jamal's leftovers and smile about it.

>>33890466
Can you link the study?

>>33886647
I personally don't give a shit until her body count reaches double digits or she admits to fucking niggers. Thankfully women are encouraged by their co-whoret-ts to brag about these details instead of hide them.
If you really need a precioud virgin, find your next one at a community college. Eventually you'll find a precocious dorky girl taking concurrent enrollment classes her senior year of high school. Befriend her and dump one in her once she graduates.

>>33890843
>Thinking having a gf makes you better than someone that doesn't is the definition of putting it on a pedestal.
No, it's the definition of being a man worthy of a gf vs an incel.

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>>33890945
>being a man worthy of a gf

>>33890962
Your attempts to cope and sneed can't hide the truth.

>>33890853
Here is A study on the subject which links to many others in the bibliography, because it is one of many studies that show strong evidence that male and female responses to oxytocin drive different mating responses. In particular, this study suggests that oxytocin make men want to go out and fuck sluts, whereas it makes women want to pursue long-term pair bonding with "faithful looking" partners. Quite intersting. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0306453019305578

Anyway stop being a fucking redditor nerd. "Muh study muh study do you have a study on that?" You fucking faggots would need a source for me saying the sky is blue

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>>33890945
>you have to be WORTHY of a woman, incel!
>No that is not putting women on a pedestal!
FUCKING SIMP

>>33890978
You don't have to be anything, but you'll forever live your life with low social status and cope about it on the internet. Enjoy getting bullied, I guess.

>>33890993
I could be a little sissy humilitation fetish femboy in a cock cage and I'd still have more self-respect than anyone who elevates pussy above themselves like >(You)

>>33891014
Whatever works for you. But, it's not a matter of elevating pussy above yourself. It's a matter of recognizing that women the choosers biologically and there's nothing you can do about it. That's confronting reality.

>>33890945
>>33890993
Your arguments make sense if women in the flesh were like the flawless platonic idea of women you have bouncing around in your head. The fact that you conflate the two indicates you literally don't have experience with women, as any significant amount will forcefully liberate you from that illusion. You don't even need to fuck them to gain that experience either, growing up with sisters is enough.

Gas ungrateful autists like OP who want to be chosing beggars instead of appreciating the people in his life

>>33891031
Confronting reality is understanding there is far more to it than being "chosen" by women. Even roaches fuck and have kids.

>>33891031
You implicitly subscribe to the idea that woman's choosing mechanism is a rigorous thing that selects only for strong, virtuous men or something like that, otherwise using language like "worthy of a girlfriend" in a demeaning way to men you're trying to rag on for being incels wouldn't make sense. Once again, any real experience with women will forcefully liberate you from this illusion.

>>33891044
No, my argument is completely rooted in statistics. The amount of women reporting no sex is always lower than the amount of men reporting no sex, which indicates that women are the choosers.
>>33891058
Implicitly implying that incels are lower than roaches.
>>33891063
Women quite literally have genetic selection mechanisms to ensure that the man she's evaluating would produce healthy/successful children. That would be a shit test.

>>33891083
>Women quite literally have genetic selection mechanisms to ensure that the man she's evaluating would produce healthy/successful children
yes, because the single mother epidemic produces all sorts of doctors and engineers

>>33891092
Do doctors and engineers make more than football players, basketball players and rappers? I had no idea.

>>33891083
>sex is the end all be all of existence, you are a biological machine and your highest purpose is to be chosen by a wonderful flawless female
Cringe. I bet you're thinking that you're talking to some KHHV and not a guy who's been laid more than you've had hot dinners, and is beyond it.

>>33891102
First you put pussy on the pedestal, now niggers too? LMAO call me Mickey because you're fucking straight up goofy

>>33891106
Studies would indicate that it's better for your health to be partnered than to be alone.
>>33891115
But you didn't answer the question.

>>33891083
>The amount of women reporting no sex is always lower than the amount of men reporting no sex, which indicates that women are the choosers
100% of men are always trying to get sex? You don't know how many men are voluntary non-participants. Not that they'd be drowning in it if they tried, but young men legitimately have no reason to hit on the dumpy tattooed skanks at the bar when they can stay home and jerk off to vixenvirago while hitting the penjamin fr
>Women quite literally have genetic selection mechanisms to ensure that the man she's evaluating would produce healthy/successful children
I'm flattered that you think all the women my weird looking autistic fivehead-having sub-6' ass looked at me and consciously thought to themselves "why yes this man will give me strong successful healthy children". So is darksydephil, ethan ralph, and every other fat slimy fuck who's had plenty of sex.

>>33891119
*all the women my weird looking...ass managed to fuck

>>33891117
>But you didn't answer the question
I don't need to, there's no point in trying to convince a shallow materialist there's higher purpose than fucking and making money.
Sure yeah the couple of hundred of guys lucky enough to make the NFL make more than doctors, but doctors also don't kill themselves five years into retirement from CTE.

>>33891119
Fucking cook, king!

>>33891119
>100% of men are always trying to get sex? You don't know how many men are voluntary non-participants.
If it was readily available without any effort, all men would be having sex. However, only 5% of men can have it without any effort. That indicates that women are the choosers.
>I'm flattered that you think all the women my weird looking autistic fivehead-having sub-6' ass looked at me and consciously thought to themselves "why yes this man will give me strong successful healthy children".
Social status is more important than height. All the people you just listed are well-known.
>>33891135
>I don't need to, there's no point in trying to convince a shallow materialist there's higher purpose than fucking and making money.
Sacrificing yourself for an idea is quite noble, but you can't deny that it is a sacrifice.
>Sure yeah the couple of hundred of guys lucky enough to make the NFL make more than doctors, but doctors also don't kill themselves five years into retirement from CTE.
They don't just make a little more, they make generational wealth that will be enough for their children and grandchildren to never work, in addition to the benefits of celebrity. That is massively valuable to women.

>>33891170
>If it was readily available without any effort, all men would be having sex.
Absolutely incorrect. I have turned down effortless pussy because she was too fat/gross, too annoying, what I knew about her history turned me off, etc. I've been on a 3.5 year dry spell because it's literally not worth it for me unless she checks off 100% of my boxes after the last slag I boinked left my head spinning. Assuming I'm not a 1-in-a-million hyperchad sex god (I absolutely am not), then there's no doubt a decent chunk of dudes in the same boat as me. You are projecting your desperation onto others.
>Social status is more important than height
What makes you think I have any of that either?

>>33891199
>I have turned down effortless pussy because she was too fat/gross, too annoying, what I knew about her history turned me off, etc.
That's not effortless. All 3 of those require effort to deal with.
Effortless is when you have multiple highly attractive women sending you unsolicited pictures and offering to meet up, which is a reality for some men.
>What makes you think I have any of that either?
The fact that a woman was willing to have sex with you indicates that you aren't a complete loser, so you should feel good about that.

>>33891233
>That's not effortless. All 3 of those require effort to deal with.
LMAO oh give me a fucking break, if you keep picking up and shifting around the goalposts with such poor form you'll pop a disc.
>The fact that a woman was willing to have sex with you indicates that you aren't a complete loser
According to your moral framework, ethan ralph is not a complete loser because he fucked and had kids by multiple women. Therefore, your moral framework is at best useless and at worst actively corrosive to society.

>>33891264
>LMAO oh give me a fucking break, if you keep picking up and shifting around the goalposts with such poor form you'll pop a disc.
That's what I meant in the first place. Obviously, men want to have sex with attractive women, and not with unattractive women, and they don't want to invest any time into it.
>According to your moral framework, ethan ralph is not a complete loser because he fucked and had kids by multiple women. Therefore, your moral framework is at best useless and at worst actively corrosive to society.
You're talking about him. Is he talking about you?

>>33891281
>That's what I meant in the first place.
No, what you meant in the first place was
>The amount of women reporting no sex is always lower than the amount of men reporting no sex, which indicates that women are the choosers
I pointed out that I, and by the laws of statistics a not insignificant number of men have the opportunity to have sex but choose not to.
>You're talking about him. Is he talking about you?
>unironically ballpalming the fucking gunt on a Hutu pottery forum
I genuinely cannot conclude anything about you from this conversation other than you are a very deep shade of brown.

>>33891316
>I pointed out that I, and by the laws of statistics a not insignificant number of men have the opportunity to have sex but choose not to.
It's safe to assume that both women and men have the opportunity to have sex with unattractive people, and choose not to, so this changes absolutely nothing.
>I genuinely cannot conclude anything about you from this conversation other than you are a very deep shade of brown.
For you.

>>33891335
Ok, so will you admit your original point that only women are the choosers and therefore its incumbent upon men to jump through all their hoops for a crumb of pissy before they're considered real men was wrong? This is a rhetorical question, of course; you are a sex-obsessed brownoid, so introspection escapes you.

>>33891345
My claim was always that men who choose to jump through these hoops inadvertently end up being better men because the things women select for tend to improve your life.

>>33891363
Ah, gotcha, my bad. Well, when you put it that way, it becomes a lot more convincing. Honestly, I wish we could make a time machine to bring Isaac Newton into the present so he could learn a thing or two about fucking broads from the gunt, chris chan, and every other dysgenic retard who managed to nut raw in some snizz. Surely he'd go back to his time and beat Einstein to the punch on relativity if only his sacral chakra were opened. Kudos to you sir, some reddit gold for changing my mind!

>>33891383
There's a reason Richard Feynman is way cooler than any of those guys. Plus, you are none of the above, so why even bother making the case?

>>33891399
I fulfill fhe bare minimum requirement for being a big real man with big serious opinions by virtue of having nutted inside multiple women, don't I? According to your moral framework, I have every right to chime in, since I'm on the same footing as both the gunt and feynman; we all scored.
Feynman is based because he was transparent about the fact that women only ever fucked him because played the sleaziest PUA neg-heavy slop and it did way more for his sex life than the clout of being a world renowned physicist ever did. The image in my head of him sperging out in the early stages of developing his game and making himself look like a retard is really fucking funny.

>>33891422
I should add: I hope you've noticed that what I, the gunt, feynman, and every other retard who ever scored have in common is not virtue, strength, or anything else, but simply the capacity to behave in a low-inhibition way that makes women's ape brains see you as someone who can fend off other retarded violent apes. They don't sexually select for IQ or fields medals or making profound art, this is only coincidental. Therefore being chosen by a woman as her dick for the night is not a very good yard stick for measuring a man's value.

>>33891170
>They don't just make a little more, they make generational wealth that will be enough for their children and grandchildren to never work, in addition to the benefits of celebrity. That is massively valuable to women.
LMAO, do you know how many pro athletes get taken to the cleaners by their exes or just straight up waste all their money?

Anyway, I feel like you dragged me on some retarded ass tangent about how it's worth having single mothers in society because a few hood rats will occasionally pop out some pro athlete or music star, and that these literally thousands of people somehow outweigh the tens of millions of children that are had by single moms in Western society which is a testament to their poor mate selection capabilities. You're still a fucking simp, bro.