Bump? Is this too broad of a question?

You do things right and still doesn't achieve shit. I truly believe women were sent by the Devil to corrupt the Sons of God. I just want a family and I can't because women want everything but a family. Prostitution to go to Europe take pictures in a place not built by them, not built for them that has nothing to do with them is more important than a family.
It's about time we do something about it.

>>33890950
OP, I mean this in the kindest way possible, you probably have autism.

Might be obvious but if you're going to deal with relationships being autistic you gotta realize that most girls don't like the traits that brings, like social awkwardness/slowness, autism-fueled obsessions/hobbies, or inability to understand casual speech. I assume you've had interest in non-autistic girls is why I say this.

You should find someone on your wavelength. Dating autistic girls helps a lot because they have a much easier time understanding what you experience and give more grace than those who don't. Plus you don't have to hide your autistic interests from them so you can be yourself around her.

They're much more rare than the average girl (because most of them aren't outwardly obvious or advertising this about themselves), but if you find one you'll definitely know because she'll be unusually a lot more like you in her mannerisms.

So aim for the better crowd. Autistic girls are awesome.

>>33891629
I've wondered if I have autism but I think I was just developmently delayed from bullying. I was raised to be super antisocial which resulted in me getting in fights a lot and being bullied. Like I just hid online which made me have pseudo-autist traits. I've worked a lot to improve my life but it never seems to be enough. There's always something lacking. Something always missing. Something that separates me from others. Not fully sure what it is because I know as a teen I was tested for autism and came up negative and I've been around autists and they seem to be weirder than I am. As for autistic girls yeah they can be nice but they can also be the "I'm a asexual xer cat princess" types which can make relationships annoying as hell. Makes you feel like you are dealing with a toddler.

There's also a part of me that's nervous about a relationship. Like I'm not sure if I offer enough, but I can't offer enough if I'm depressed because I'll just destroy anything I do. Or fail to launch.

>>33891574
The devil smells like flowers and makes my skin vibrate when I hold them then lol. But I get your anger. It's very fucked out here. I wish I could just ignore women instead of letting them wreck me. Like no other dudes around me have this problem. I wish I knew what was wrong with me because even dude who are very socially retarded are still having families. Why am I a no hope case

>>33890950
Then stop asking out girls?

>>33891748
Then I'm not trying and then I'm alone. I don't like being alone, or more I don't like never getting so much as a hug for years at a time. It wrecks my mental health and makes me feel like a subhuman. I used to use escorts but they have got too expensive and too much of a pain in the ass. But after seeing them I always felt so much better for like a month. If I could get that regularly the amount of stuff I could do in life would be so much higher because I wouldn't be crashing every week. Hell, I used to have a female friend who hugged me a lot and that was enough to immediately change my mood it just stopped after a month so I eventually crashed a month later into going back to college because of it.

I'm not sure if it's normal to be this depressed when you don't get physical contact, everything I've read is it absolutely is normal and a reaction everyone gets if this happened to them. Which makes me feel bad about myself. Why do I have to deal with this. What is wrong with me

>>33891767
On top of this I absolutely crave being with someone. I've never been with someone my entire life and being with escorts I've had small slices of what it could feel like and I can tell it would absolutely fix all of my problems. It's basically all I wish for in life but then I'm told I'm not good enough. It's ridiculous and annoying. Because I can't exactly fix anything if I'm depressed and apathetic.

>>33891729
>As for autistic girls yeah they can be nice but they can also be the "I'm a asexual xer cat princess" types which can make relationships annoying as hell.
Side tangent, I was unironically friends with one almost exactly like this. These girls are much more friend material than girlfriend material. Like they'd be your best friend to the end, but simply not have romantic aspirations. Don't write them off immediately. They can be grating but pretty cool people too as long as you don't try romancing them against their will.

That aside, yeah autism bumps up the chances of that happening, but that's firmly in the minority. You can find yourself a great autistic girl if you persevere. Even if you're not autistic, you definitely have some of those side effects, so an autistic girl might be a better fit than you think.

>There's also a part of me that's nervous about a relationship. Like I'm not sure if I offer enough, but I can't offer enough if I'm depressed because I'll just destroy anything I do. Or fail to launch.
You offer enough for someone, because enough doesn't have to be everything. No person is an island. No person is self-sustaining. You provide what she lacks and she provides what you lack. All you two need in common is the desire to promise to love each other and the drive to fulfill that promise. So long as you each have those two things, you'll be just fine even in the worst of times.

Yeah it's corny but that's what I know from my experience. Obviously others will differ.

>>33891729
OP, woman here (XX, not XY). It could be a lot of factors and it's not just personality or autism or whatever. If you're a normal guy but you have no place to meet girls naturally, no friends or family who are well adjusted normal people who have female friends to introduce you to, or you live out in the middle of nowhere and it's mostly old people around you then yeah that's tough. Also could be related to your appearance and how you dress. Or you can perfectly normal, but other guys just have more to offer than you do. Nobody here can really help you since we don't know anything about your life.

Also it's not just about what you have to offer, but how you make a girl feel about herself when she is around you. What women really want is security and reassurance, and there are a lot of guys who have it good on paper (good looks, money, good job, seem nonautistic, bla bla bla) but he doesn't make the girl feel safe or comfortable around him, and even if he hits on her, it doesn't feel personal.

It's easier to find a girl if you're introduced to them first. Worry about your current social circle first. If all your friends are loser males who don't know girls either, switch circle. Find female friends first even if you're not sexually interested, and having female friends as wingmen will make other girls feel safe about you too. Yes women judge you based on your friends.

>>33890950
Reflecting on rejection is what's utterly pointless. You're attributing way too much importance to the random whim of a woman. She sure as hell isn't skipping showers and refusing to cook breakfast because she's depressed about not having you in her life. And they say women are the emotional ones, kek. What is with the effeminate mindsets so prevalent among anons on this board?

>>33891925
>Worry about your current social circle first
I'm not OP, but this has been my self-identified issue with most of my current life. Since moving to this city, I have been wholly incapable of setting up a friend circle.
I feel like any date I go on the desperation for human contact reeks off of me, and they get disinterested. I get matches and go on first dates, but there's no interest after that. They move on and find someone else.
I've tried the local running clubs or bumble friend, but it's just not sticking...

>>33891925
>if you're a normal guy but you have no place to meet girls naturally, no friends or family who are well adjusted normal people who have female friends to introduce you to, or you live out in the middle of nowhere and it's mostly old people around you then yeah that's tough

I live in a city where the average age is 34. There is beyond enough places to meet women, its just it never clicks, never goes anywhere, and i get left in the dust, usually for guys who in my opinion are worse than me(like living with their parents, alcoholics, unemployed, etc) and it seriously makes me wonder if i am even a human being if im being blown out of the water by guys like this.

>could be related to your appearance and how you dress

I practice basic hygiene but yeah the way i dress isnt the best. This is, though, the case for most guys. And is why i have basically given up on improving further because i really really shouldnt be having this much difficulty.

>Worry about your current social circle first. If all your friends are loser males who don't know girls either, switch circle. Find female friends first even if you're not sexually interested, and having female friends as wingmen will make other girls feel safe about you too. Yes women judge you based on your friends.

Thats the thing that makes it worse, if every guy around me was having major issues with women where i live i would know its not me. Every single friend i have, literally every single one, is dating someone. Some of them are married. Ive been part of their weddings. No one is struggling except for the ones who tried to be players passed the age of 25 and got dumped on their asses. It makes me wonder if the difficulty in finding someone went up significantly passed 2020. Most of my friends met their current partners before 2020. I have female friends but they mainly just acted confused on why i would want to find a girl and one said i should stay single because its better being single. She isnt tho

>>33892010
>Reflecting on rejection is what's utterly pointless.

Its a given when it seems like your entire life no matter what you do or what you try to change you are still seen as far below the average guy even though on paper you shouldnt be.

>You're attributing way too much importance to the random whim of a woman.

Hundreds of women by this point but i get your perspective. I agree i shouldnt care, but my mood and confidence hits the dirt being alone, which i have been my entire life. I know it goes up and i feel like a human again when i am with someone physically, because ive seen escorts. Its like all my stress, anger, sadness, etc just melts away immediately. I also hate how my bed is empty based on vague, unknown reasons while literally no one around me is having this problem at all. Makes me feel like i am broken, no one can tell me why im broken but apparently i am just based on pure, factual, results.

>She sure as hell isn't skipping showers and refusing to cook breakfast because she's depressed about not having you in her life. And they say women are the emotional ones, kek. What is with the effeminate mindsets so prevalent among anons on this board?

She would be if she was getting rejected by every single guy she ever met. Or the guys who gave her a chance just cheated on her. Ive met plenty of women like this actually, a lot of them cut themselves and starve themselves(anorexia is fueled a lot by feelings of social rejection, basically what im dealing with), this was an epidemic in the early 2000s, which is funny because it seems like on the internet men are now under the same harsh standards women used to be under, where i live though it seems to be less like that which makes me wonder how fucked i must be. Like what the hell. As for effeminate mindsets, idk what to tell you, women kill themselves over similar shit to this all the time. Its not one girl, its the impact of 100 and you being helpless to change anything

>>33892221
no no no, dont think like that. its not like women have this magical sense to sniff desperation off of you. Even if she kinda liked you, unless there is a social glue constantly bringing you together like school, work, mutual friends, or social clubs, potential connections fade. When you move to a new city, it makes sense you might struggle first. Cities can be pretty antisocial despite having so many people.

I don't recommend relying dating apps, it doesn't work for men even the chads, and it barely works for women. Dating apps are already unnatural and you miss out on the realtime assessment and connection you get face to face, dating app success is more a matter of how well you know how to put photos together and write quirky "interesting" things on your profile which may not really say anything about you (or the girl) in real time. Also a lot of the girls who go on dating apps are weirdos themselves, normal well adjusted girls with healthy social circles don't go on dating apps. Especially young women. Exception is if she just moved to the area or something, but she won't stay on the apps for long because she'll be building real time connections and circles if she isn't some personality disordered loser. All the women I've met in person who told me about their online dating apps and lifestyle were uh... the personality disordered types. Normal decent girls have no problem finding a guy in real time, they don't need to go on apps. I wouldn't judge yourself based on how this self-selected pool of online girls treat you.

The only people I've seen it work for are like 40+ year olds who aren't deeply embedded into internet culture. If you're a young man under 35, don't use it.

>local running clubs

that's a lame club to meet girls. You're RUNNING in this club, you don't have time in these clubs to talk to girls unless the running club makes extra social events for their club members to hang out outside of running.

>>33892835
I'm coming up on 4 years here, just getting negative feedback looped at this point.
It's a capital/college town, and it just feels like everyone already has their whole friendgroups set up and it's impossible for me to break into any.
I've had a similar takeaway with the guys on bumblefriends, they are primarily also awkward people (like me) who struggle to make friends already, but that's not a good person to be friends with.
I mean, I can fight your anecdotes of dating app failures with my own anecdotes of successes for people I know.
It's not JUST running, after the run it's drinks at a bar. And I wasn't going to meet girls, but to try and get a group of guy friends to be with. I stopped going after ~a year, I just wasn't able to get through the social barrier to ever meet up with anyone outside of the club.
I'm at the doom-swiping level of endorphin dependency, if it wasn't for this I wouldn't have any other meaningful social interaction and I'd wither away into an actual lunatic.

>>33891925
>What women really want is security and reassurance, and there are a lot of guys who have it good on paper (good looks, money, good job, seem nonautistic, bla bla bla) but he doesn't make the girl feel safe or comfortable around him, and even if he hits on her, it doesn't feel personal.

I would think this also could be why im struggling...except my brother is built like me and once again has zero problem with girls. He even met his current girlfriend post-2020. I will say he is taller than me so that absolutely could be a factor.

Regardless, any con about me cant really be fixed if i am so defeated and depressed i dont even want to try anymore. You got to have wins sometimes and if you never have wins you just give up.

>>33892783
>This is, though, the case for most guys. And is why i have basically given up on improving further because i really really shouldnt be having this much difficulty.

Look at your average guy. Do you want to be like most guys? Or do you want to do better? Also you told me nothing about your fitness level. If you're out of shape, you look like a slob in anything you wear. If you're in shape, you look decent in nearly anything you wear. Start working out. Also, some things are beyond your control and it could be your face. I hate to say this but it's true. Look at this guy right here: https://www.reddit.com/r/uglyduckling/comments/1o1trjb/19_to_29/

Now whether you need plastic surgery or not, this is not a question that anyone will answer honestly, and you'll have to go with your gut feelings.

>I have female friends but they mainly just acted confused on why i would want to find a girl and one said i should stay single because its better being single. She isnt tho

Where are the men in your life who you can talk to about this? What were you expecting when you talked about your dating woes with your female friends? That they will be honest with you? I know that these days people talk about how men should be more vulnerable and just talk to women like how they talk to men bla bla bla, don't listen to that gaslighting bullshit, it's not true. Why the FUCK would you go up to a woman and spell out your dating problems like this? It's not her job to tell you what you should do. I don't blame her for giving you a bullshit answer because why the fuck are you asking HER, of all people??? Don't talk to women about this, they don't want to hear this shit, they don't want to see it. She lost respect for you. She's not that invested in you and doesn't feel comfortable being truly honest with you, which is why she went "just be single haha". Why didn't you go ask your married male friends for advice instead? What did they say about this?

>>33892919
Well what did your brother say about your dilemma?

>>33892947
>Look at your average guy. Do you want to be like most guys?

I feel like becoming average would be a giant leap in improvement considering average still gets girls while i dont. Logically that would mean im below average then. I have the opposite problem as a lot of people here, i am underweight, there is nothing that can happen with my face, the bone structure isnt there.

>Start working out.

I will fail at keeping up with it because i am depressed from being alone and rejected for so long. Im not going to go through the pain and misery of getting fit, which ive tried to do every year since i was 12, only to get obliterated by a the so called "average slobs" who got a long term girlfriend at like 18 who will be 100x more loyal than any girl i ever fucking meet post come up. There is a part of me who feels i deserve what i get, but i am angry and depressed over what i am getting. And whats best is the escorts where i live have become so fucking shit, for such a high price its just made me want to go out and commit crimes just to relieve this pain and this bullshit i am going through for zero reason.

>Where are the men in your life who you can talk to about this? *que a paragraph of solid sperging*

I forgot to add to that, i mainly talk to men about this, dont worry im not completely stupid. I was talking to that poster about the women specifically because she mentioned them as wingmen(women?) and i said no, they wont even do that. Calm the fuck down redpillington. Most of my guy friends basically give me the advice of "be moral" and "be a leader" and other shit they read online. Like nothing they told me was ground breaking at all which tells me its all timing, and literally if the universe decides if you deserve this. Its just, the universe is really trying to get me to kill myself then. So why bother taking advice on dating or trying at all, its preselected and out of my control.

>>33892947
I basically want advice on how to deal with a situation you cant escape but is making you miserable and theres very little copes for. I seriously think i might have had a curse, like a legit witch curse put on me or i majorly pissed off God or something for me to be having this level of problems. Nothing will work, and thats something i have to deal with considering 99% of the people around me literally dont have to deal with this and its actually alien to even talk to them about i know its literally JUST me. Theres something wrong with ME as a person, maybe i was born without a soul, or lost it, i have no idea. Either way i doubt its in my control to fix it so i just want to live a life without anyone and not collapse once a week because oh, i havent been hugged in years, and im stressed and i just want to hold someone. Im sick of being alone stealing so much from my life.

>>33892978
He hasnt said anything other than put myself out there a lot, i dont think he realizes the level of rejections ive had, irl, at this point. He also wasnt bullied as a kid and in general just has way better mental health as a result. Growing up i was just hated for some reason. I think he said to get a haircut but when i did that it just turned out worse than before and really i should have just kept it the way it was before.

>>33893005
>I have the opposite problem as a lot of people here, i am underweight

Underweight is out of shape. Ton of guys struggle with adding muscle mass. You're probably skinnyfat and the lack of muscles will make you more fatigued and even cause mental health issues like right now. How is your diet? Don't drink your sugars, pretty much eat like you're a diabetic. Get enough proteins.

>there is nothing that can happen with my face, the bone structure isnt there.

That's literally what plastic surgery is for. Rhinoplasty for nose. Double jaw surgery for jawline. Orthodontics for crooked teeth.

>Calm the fuck down redpillington

anon, I AM the woman who told you about making female friends who can be your signal to other women that you're pre-vetted.
It seems your male friends are brother are useless too.

Let me ask: what were you bullied about as a kid? What do you think it is about you that attracted other kids to bully you like sharks to blood? Where are you bleeding? Usually, bullied kids are kids who were already being bullied or neglected at home. Where is your dad? What's your relationship like with your mother?

Most therapists are useless and won't be honest with you or help you win in life, you need the kind of people who go underground and can ask you some serious non-politically correct questions. You also need to ask the right questions to vet therapists/coaches/tripsitters to make sure you're not getting some loser who will give you loser advice and keep you a loser.

What helped me, because I come from a fucked up background myself, was psychedelics. Not just with anyone though. You gotta ask behavioral questions, throw scenarios at the therapist, before you hire them. Like a job interview. Useless questions are things like "how long have you been doing therapy, what are your credentials?"

Also you're in a college town, that's transitionary by nature. You might need to move. I thought you were talking about like NYC or Chicago.

>>33893090
> How is your diet? Don't drink your sugars, pretty much eat like you're a diabetic. Get enough proteins.


Fair health advice, and slightly better than most americans. When i dont want to kill myself i can cook fairly well since that is what i do as a job. Its just a lot of the time i dont want to cook, i dont want to feed myself because i dont care about myself, i outright hate myself. Other than that, literally every single guy around me eats like shit and is out of shape. This shouldnt bar me and especially shouldnt have when i was young. I am not trying to sleep around, i am not trying to pull 10s or whatever pua shit gets thrown around. I want ONE(1) Woman in my life who doesnt want to cheat on me, and is attracted to me as i am to her. My standards ive learned from my guy friends isnt high at all yet its unattainable. They all did it though, every single one of my guy friends did it or has done it, I am entitled at this point to getting it too, if i dont get it, that is proof to me i am subhuman for some reason. And its going to eat away at me making me worse and worse each year before i finally have the balls to end myself

>That's literally what plastic surgery is for. Rhinoplasty for nose. Double jaw surgery for jawline. Orthodontics for crooked teeth.

No one i know had to do this to get an "i love you".

>It seems your male friends and brother are useless too.

Because they just give me the same redpill advice you are giving me, except NONE of them did it themselves. Maybe some conversation game or whatever but a vast majority of them were living with their parents, less than $1000 in their bank accounts, walmart clothes, video games 10 hours a day. They were looked at as valuable, i was treated like shit.

>>33893028
also, idk how you act and talk with people in real time but I have an idea based on how you're talking about your problems here and how you went to a woman (lmao) to tell her your dating woes. You're passive. You're already defeated. You keep coming up with reasons why something is pointless, why something won't work out, how things will go wrong. It could be depression talking and learned helplessness but you know what you need? You need more anger and spite in you. Anger ignites action. Okay your life sucks, what are you gonna do about it? You're struggling to get girls, and all your friends, your brother, everyone sucks at helping you, they can't help you. What now?

When you realize you're underweight, what stops you from getting down on the floor and doing 30 pushups? Morning, lunch, and night? Every day? Pointless? Well what the fuck else would you do to fill your time that serves you?

>>33893090

>what were you bullied about as a kid?

Its complicated. I was raised like shit sure, but i seemed to have been born as shit. I was very aggressive and violent as a kid, i just didnt seem to get along with anyone. My social skills were very poor and once again it just seemed like something was wrong with me. I think its because they got a reaction they were looking for and they just wanted me to be in the background, back then i remember they would use you to get ahead in any way and tear you down just for fun. I used to have confidence as a kid but by the time i was like 13 that was completely gone and never recovered. I was also smaller than most kids so that just made it easier to mess with me. I also remember as a kid literally not seeing myself a human, like being 12 and straight up not identifying as human because my self esteem was so low

>Where is your dad? What's your relationship like with your mother?

My parents both worked all the time, my dad had anger issues and my mom was distant. Tbh though they werent that neglectful at all. They were just teenage parents and had to work a lot so i was basically raised by my grandparents.

>Also you're in a college town, that's transitionary by nature. You might need to move. I thought you were talking about like NYC or Chicago.

Average age of 34 isnt a college town lmao. Go google average age in most cities in the midwest, its like 30-35. Especially if its a city over 300,000. The place i live in has half a million people and due to its size you get a mix of both rural and city life. It really shouldnt be this hard yet here i am. I dont think moving is really needed although i have suspicions the US is absolutely fucked dating wise, but the problem comes why is literally EVERYONE around me not having this problem? If the US is so fucked and "le statistics" say 60% of men are single then why is only 1 guy in my friend group single and hes single because he just got out of a long term relationship?

>>33891790
Once in a while there's going to be a guy complaining about his unstable clingy gf. Having intense emotions isn't sexy.

>>33893113

>i dont want to feed myself because i dont care about myself, i outright hate myself

And you expect a woman to love you? Why the fuck would a woman want a man who hates himself? Fix that first. You're not in the position to be dating or getting a woman involved in your life right now, and that's fine, you can do it later. Focus on building yourself up first, save money, work out, get your ducks in row before you decide if it's worth killing yourself or not. Those losers who still get girls despite not having anything to offer girls? They don't give a fuck that they're losers, they don't hate themselves, so that's why they still get chicks (even though the chicks themselves are low self esteem losers, because decent normal girls don't go for unemployed guys). Honestly from everything you told me, how the guys around you are unemployed, out of shape, alcoholic, living with parents, and yet girls still go for them... it seems like you live in the hood or out in some meth town or some shit. Have you ever wondered, maybe the problem isn't you? You're just surrounded by losers, and surrounded by women who go for losers. A lot of guys like you who struggled at home move to a major city or to just another place and they thrive when they're with healthier normal people, and realize the problem wasn't himself all along.

>vast majority of them were living with their parents, less than $1000 in their bank accounts, walmart clothes, video games 10 hours a day

Oh, so your guy friends ARE losers.

Save money, at least like $5000, keep working out, and get the fuck out of there and try somewhere else. It seems like it's your environment. Of course your friends thrive because they're losers in loser environments, surrounded by loser women. Join the military to get out if you have to. I saved over $200k from a 4 year enlistment alone and now have veteran benefits, and in good shape. You can be like me. You sound young.

>>33893134
>Especially if its a city over 300,000. The place i live in has half a million people

wOaoAoahH half a million people! A city! Dude, that's a small pond. Americans think 500k people is "a city!!!" but it's really not, most of America is just the sticks. And you had teen parents, which tells me you grew up in the sticks. Even Chicago with 3 million people isn't an international level big city, it's an average flyover state city, little leagues compared to the rest of the world. Get the fuck out of there, there's a whole world out here and a biiiiig pond you haven't seen yet, open your eyes a bit and see what's out there before you decide to kill yourself

>>33893129
>You're already defeated. You keep coming up with reasons why something is pointless, why something won't work out, how things will go wrong.

You get defeated when you have no victories. I have no victories. Why the fuck wouldnt i just give up?

>You need more anger and spite in you. Anger ignites action

Only if its anger thats motivation. If i lost my shit people are getting hurt. I have had growing fantasies about hurting especially women, because i feel like God is personally writing me permission to do that. I have asked for so little yet all i have received back is pain. I even went the route of trying to figure out how to be celibate and not use another persons body. And it seems like that isnt possible. Every time i ask
for an alternative, just some way i can live and not have to do what i keep thinking about doing i just get shown, no, there is no hope.

>Okay your life sucks, what are you gonna do about it?

Probably kill myself if this is truly inescapable

>When you realize you're underweight, what stops you from getting down on the floor and doing 30 pushups?

Because ive tried that, ive actually gone beyond that, i got a gym membership and went three times a week for a year and i just couldnt keep up with the calories plus i was still depressed even while working out so it basically just became self harming. I didnt give a shit about my life.

>>33893137
I just need a hug, and then ill be fine. I know how i am with escorts. I wont be that clingy, i just need a hug every once and a while, probably like once a month desu.

>>33893155
Hugs aren't going to fix your issues

>>33893140
>And you expect a woman to love you? Why the fuck would a woman want a man who hates himself? Fix that first. You're not in the position to be dating or getting a woman involved in your life right now, and that's fine, you can do it later.

Your reading comprehension in this thread is really bad. I hate myself because of the cycle im in. I hate myself because of the feedback loops im in. I literally cant change that because at this point it is who i am as a person.
I think you are right though, i shouldnt be with anyone, because its too late now.

>Oh, so your guy friends ARE losers.

That was them at 18-24. When they met their current wives or girlfriends. They all have nice jobs and houses and kids and all that other stuff. Probably because they have actual drive to live and confidence. They arent working for the next new toy, they are working for their future and legacy and their kids. Who they are as a person hasnt been cemented as a fucking subhuman loser.

>Save money, at least like $5000

Done.

>Of course your friends thrive because they're losers in loser environments, surrounded by loser women.

Losers make six figures and have women who are stay at home wives or wives that have very good careers. Again your reading comprehension sucks. They were like that when they met their women, not like that now. They go to where they are now because they werent treated like shit their whole lives. They had confidence. I could have their lives if i did too, but i got kneecapped so hard.

>>33893152
It being a smaller city actually makes it more dire. Because standards are higher in bigger cities, ever heard the saying "miami 4 is a midwest 10"? I would be even more fucked in a major city. If i am struggling here i would struggle anywhere.

Not only that i didnt make this thread to ask how to be better with women, i get advice and read advice about that all the time, it doesnt work for subhumans. You have to be a human to follow it, my request for advice was how to not be bothered by being alone and how to not go through misery cycles that halt all progress in my life. I basically want to live the lives my friends have, that i should have or least close to have, but just single. For some reason though not having anything makes me miserable.

>>33893164
It helps and is better than literally nothing for years.

>>33890950
I am 23 years old and chronically single despite going to university. I am always rejected or ghosted. Its pretty unfortunate. Maybe they can smell the weirdness on me. I don't wanna say hate myself but I wish sometimes I was normal and could go to parties and have friends/girlfriends like other people seem to easily do

>>33893371
I would just try to socialize as best you can, trying to make a friend can be difficult but once you get your foot in the door its not hard to end up somewhere. I have quite a few friends for my age and it just makes being single worse because now i have people around me who arent struggling, who are in an area where the difficulty is lower, yet im still failing. Seriously there must be something horribly wrong with me or something.

>>33893190
Now you're dependent on someone else's feelings and being bitter when you don't get it.

>>33890950
I'm 22 and I've never asked a girl out

>>33894540
I hate this argument so much because its such a lie. Isnt everyone dependent on everyone? "oh your moods better when you are with friends that means you are dependent on them" "oh you are in a better mood if you have eaten? You must be dependent on food" "your dog greeting you at the door makes you happy? Must be dependent on the dog" its an argument that i will only accept from the most dedicated monks, which wouldnt be on here. In other words, you ALSO are dependent on a bunch of people and it is simply denying humanity to say you are a total island. Its literally anti-human and is the reason why solitary confinement fucks with peoples heads so badly. You, though, know this. This is an argument that normal people just give to subhumans to make them shut up that they arent getting what everyone else is for literally zero reason. "you need to be totally happy being alone before you find someone" Fuck you. No one else had to do that, i watched you guys once again lose your shits during covid when you were asked to be alone for like 6 weeks. I was seeing full on suicide notes in that time. A majority of people are dependent on their partners. And again, you know this in your heart, you are just telling me to shut up and deal with it.

And im bitter when i go years without it while dudes who are significantly worse than me dont have this problem. I am asking for physical contact ONCE A MONTH. If she cant provide that, that barest of bare minimums, its very obvious she isnt attracted to me. And i should be bitter for her wasting my time so hard.

>>33894549
Go out there and try at least, by the time i was your age i had asked out around 20 girls and talked to probably 4x that number across various states when i was traveling. Its lowkey trauma farming but for normal not subhuman guys it does sometimes play out.

>>33890950
>I've noticed patterns that go like
>>I find interest in a girl
>>I get rejected
You're probably skipping out on like 10 different things you're doing wrong there.

You seem like the kind of guy who will "confess" to girls. Am i wrong?

>>33894736
>You seem like the kind of guy who will "confess" to girls. Am i wrong?

You would be right if you were talking about me before the age of like 19. Usually this is how things went passed that age:

>i go somewhere social like a bar, music festival, local party, gathering with friends, etc
>i start chatting with people
>eventually i start talking with women
>if the conversation seems like its going well i ask if they want to go to xyz later or i ask for their number, half of them will say no to both. Most girls who i have good conversations with already have a man in their life and have since college if not high school
>going out later part usually gets shot down or sidelined. If they accept it they will ghost later
>texting usually doesnt go anywhere because shes apparently "always sleeping" or "busy"
>if texting does goes somewhere it seems like shes not over some other guy, if i text too much i get put in the friend zone, if i text too little i become background noise over other guys
>no matter what it feels like im not taken seriously at all
>at first i remember i talked a ton but then i decided to change that and have them talk, most women are bad at conversations though and it really feels like they just want me to leave or see me as entertainment
>if they are younger than 25 it seems like they are profoundly mentally ill, if they are over 25 they seem to just hate men with a passion
>any that are single are single because they want to be and are just sleeping around with hot guys or girls, this is a MASSIVE difference in mentality between me and them, im a number, they are my main number

Obviously strategies change as i got older and as i went to other places. But thats basically how it is. I do think my only chance was pre-covid and since we are passed that dating is so fucked, so obliterated i dont see any hope of it ever changing. Which is why i have given up on dating entirely. I just dont want to give up on life.

>>33894788
>it's actually women who are bad at conversations, not me
>it's actually women who are mentally ill, not me
>it's actually women who hate men, and not me who hates women
>it's actually because of covid, before 2020 I was a cool normal Chad.
brother, if you had posted something about how cell phones bad, social media bad, modern society these days etc I would have had a full incel bingo card.

>i start chatting with people
>eventually i start talking with women
what do you even talk about
what sort of bars and music festivals are these

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>>33894812
>brother, if you had posted something about how cell phones bad, social media bad, modern society these days etc I would have had a full incel bingo card.

I like how you ignored in your tangent that i have said, multiple times, something is seriously wrong with me to the point where im not human anymore. And yes things changed majorly during covid because ive talked to dudes who were good with women and they are struggling now too. Stats also support it. Social skills are on the absolute decline.

>what do you even talk about. What sort of bars and music festivals are these

It doesnt matter, i also dont remember what we talk about because you are asking me to go into detail over a decade of rejection. My question here isnt "how do i find a gf" its "how do i live without a gf or family without giving up on all life?". Answer that question, any advice you give me on dating wont work because i am not the same species as you. It will never work because it is who i am now. Pic related.

>>33894788
You are clearly doing something extremely wrong/cringe in your texting and probably IRL conversations as well.

Are you a no-hobby skinwalker trying to get normie girls just because they look good?

>>33894834
>to go into detail over a decade of rejection.
I remember how and why I was rejected 20+ years ago.

Surely the last time you were rejected wasn't pre-covid

>"how do i live without a gf or family without giving up on all life?"
Just get a dog and/or cat every 10-15 years.

>>33894850
>Just get a dog and/or cat every 10-15 years.
NTA but that doesn't even come close to being a replacement.

>>33894836
>You are clearly doing something extremely wrong/cringe in your texting and probably IRL conversations as well.

Ive had friends check over some of them, literally im not. Idk how you guys havent noticed dating has become 10x harder in the last 5 years.

>Are you a no-hobby skinwalker trying to get normie girls just because they look good?

I have about five hobbies, 3 of which take me outside often, i have more hobbies than basically any of my friends who have wives and families. I would argue any dude who has been alone as i have been has more hobbies than a guy who has a family simply based off logic, a guy who has a family has to maintain that, and his job and house. A guy who is single doesnt, he needs to occupy his time. And i go after women of all backgrounds, sizes and races. I have been rejected by women with accents, and by women who are from here. Last time i had luck was in 2021 and it was entirely online because she moved back to her home country. After that, no girl has ever showed me any interest at all. It is very easy and very possible you can do everything right, or at least equal to the guys around you and it still wont matter.

Now again, i dont want dating advice. I want to know how to not give up on life due to this ridiculous absence and not become a worse person like i quickly am.

>>33894850
>I remember how and why I was rejected 20+ years ago.

So where i live women dont submit reviews or user feedback when they just randomly stop texting you or randomly ghost you. Most rejections arent a "i dont want to see you" or anything brutal. Its just a quiet fade into nothing. Where one side of the conversation just gives up and they just fade away. Or trying to set anything up just feels like dragging an anvil. You can tell, immediately, and easily, if a woman is into you and basically all of them arent for me. I have to live with that, i cant change that. But maybe i can change my mentality.

>>33894858
Maybe not a cat, but a larger-breed dog that you raise from a puppy will 100% take up all of your free time. You won't even have time to play video games or post on 4chan.

Especially if you treat it like the replacement child that it is, drive out to fancy dog parks in neighboring cities, go out hiking, go out of your way to go to the fancy pet store that has cool toys and expensive food instead of buying cheap slop from wal mart or costco, having to walk if not run for hours everyday, etc.

>>33894878
>Ive had friends check over some of them, literally im not.
Sounds like they're trying to not hurt your feelings. Friends will often be "nice" instead of being real and helpful.
> Idk how you guys havent noticed dating has become 10x harder in the last 5 years.
because it's besides the point, the point is that you were just as bad as dating before 2021.

If anything, now that apparently everyone is socially retarded from covid, it should've normalized whatever cringe that you do and given you better chances at dating pos-covid.

>I have about five hobbies, 3 of which take me outside often,
yeah but is it solo loner shit like
>hiking
>walking
>fishing

> And i go after women of all backgrounds
You cast too wide of a net, you try to be pleasing to everyone and end up appealing to no one.

>Now again, i dont want dating advice. I want to know how to not give up on life due to this ridiculous absence and not become a worse person like i quickly am.

Yeah fine. Like I said, get a dog.

> they just randomly stop texting you or randomly ghost you.
yet you claim it's not your texting that's doing this.

>>33894850
To answer your question i think the last brutal rejection i got was in 2023, there was this one girl that i met at funny enough a reptile convention and it looked like things were moving, we had long hugged a few times already and one day i tried to do it again and she pushed me back and said no. After that all physical contact ended completely. Also before anyone asks she wasnt a "normal" or attractive girl, i wasnt doing this to someone far out of my league, she was overweight, dyed hair, tattoos. In my experience being rejected by these types hurts worse than an attractive girl which is why i sometimes aim out of my league even though there isnt a snowball chance in hell. Its one of those situation like yeah duh

>>33894858
Maybe physically, like having something to pet or cuddle with, but for me its the overarching feeling of "you were abandoned by society" "no one wanted you". Like i remember dog sitting a buddy of mines dog and my neighbors started fighting, and all i could think about while i heard this woman screaming bloody murder is im cuddling with a dog, and this guy, who is kicking his wife's head into the wall, isnt. Has the guy next door ever been asked to join a polycule? Has the guy next door had to deal with the level of bullshit i have with dating? Probably not. But I have.

>>33894910
>we had long hugged a few times already and one day i tried to do it again and she pushed me back and said no
context??

>>33894904
>If anything, now that apparently everyone is socially retarded from covid,

Not if people are avoidant and fed anti-men content.

>Sounds like they're trying to not hurt your feelings. Friends will often be "nice" instead of being real and helpful.

My friends are dicks lol they would say something. Most of the time though they are just like yeah, she for sure isnt interested or go try again with someone else.

>yet you claim it's not your texting that's doing this.

Please for the love of fuck interact with girls today. They are so much worse at texting than they were 5-10 years ago. Not only that all your surgical analysis forgets the fact no guy i know had to do this. Oh, they werent perfect at x, oh they didnt have a social hobby? Dude most guys i know's hobbies were video games and anime when they met their partners. It. didnt.matter.

I do think its my soul, i think i was born without one and thats the reason why i struggle so much, there was a bump in creation and i was made in a human body but not what actually makes you human.

>>33894931
>fed anti-men content.
so now we're on "woke culture and anti-men feminism was created in 2022"

>They are so much worse at texting than they were 5-10 years ago.
you say this but what would you know what good texting even is when you've never had date from it?

>I do think its my soul, i think i was born without one
nah it's just severe autism like the other anon said

>>33894928
I escalated touching and eventually she hugged me first, then we started hugging for longer. She just got out of a relationship and said she didnt want to get into another, but that was six months before we met and she was the one who was being touchy. After that happened yeah all contact broke off and that was the last time i hugged someone for free(i usually cuddled with or hugged the escorts i was with). Oh, and then she got into a relationship with a manchild who was ten years older than her, who smoked weed, drank and played video games all the time, was barely employed, lived with like four roommates and lived like a slob. I was blown completely tf out of the water by that guy. This is why i will NEVER take advice from anyone on self improvement. It literally does not matter. I am BEYOND entitled at this point but once again, that entitlement doesnt matter. It doesnt fucking matter. The only explanation is i am not a human. That guy, despite his flaws, is a human. And thats why he had human things happen to him.

>>33894949
>so now we're on "woke culture and anti-men feminism was created in 2022"

The algorithm made it mainstream just like the andrew tate redpill incel shit. Unless you are about to seriously tell me, with a straight face, pre-2022 kids were using terms like sigma, alpha, and incel.

>you say this but what would you know what good texting even is when you've never had date from it?

Fair, i just know back then it felt like they were carrying the conversation while now it feels like i am

>nah it's just severe autism like the other anon said

Again i doubt this, i think being online too much as a teen made me mimic it and now its just who i am now.

>>33894931
>Please for the love of fuck interact with girls today. They are so much worse at texting than they were 5-10 years ago.
THIS.
>all your surgical analysis forgets the fact no guy i know had to do this.
AND THIS. The perpetually ignored point.

I'm in the same fucking boat. Even the goddamn Tolkien reading neck-bearded turbo nerd fatass that reads any dogshit fantasy book ever written as long as it's over 700 pages long has had a multi year long live-in relationship with a woman, and I've been left in the fucking dust, wondering why the other socially inept dipshit in the group ALSO has a fucking girlfriend despite being a dumbass who can't even do basic math.

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>>33890950
>everything men do is for pussy
There are so many people on the on self improvement train the past two decades it's unreal, and I'm not talking about gym because many of them don't even hit the gym but instead do other activities, I'm talking about making money, being social, doing activities, hobbies, just keeping busy in general and making their life as interesting as possible to attract pussy. They are doing all that for pussy, constantly chasing a better looking pussy, younger, fresher, etc. until eventually they find one they are satisfied with so they can fertilize it but even then many of them continue to chase pussy on the side. Some of these boomers are 70+ and still chase pussy, that's right many divorced boomers have girlfriends, just look at that tremendous Eastwood faggot who found a new pussy at 70 or 80 and married for the 6th time. Not to mention famous chads like Julio Iglesias who had thousands of pussies throughout his life.
All that self-improvement, customs, social mores, hobbies, cultural events and other activities people do is to attract pussy so they can breed the next generation of goyim cattle and feel desired, loved and appreciated by their pussy and progeny.

>>33894931
>My friends are dicks lol they would say something. Most of the time though they are just like yeah, she for sure isnt interested or go try again with someone else.
So have you tried talking to them about this? About how you've been single all your life and they have no problem getting girls? What did they have to say?

>>33894931
>They are so much worse at texting than they were 5-10 years ago.
You're 21

What girls were you texting as an 11 year old?

>>33894959
>I escalated touching and eventually she hugged me first, then we started hugging for longer. She just got out of a relationship and said she didnt want to get into another, but that was six months before we met and she was the one who was being touchy. After that happened yeah all contact broke off and that was the last time i hugged someone for free(i usually cuddled with or hugged the escorts i was with). Oh, and then she got into a relationship with a manchild who was ten years older than her, who smoked weed, drank and played video games all the time, was barely employed, lived with like four roommates and lived like a slob. I was blown completely tf out of the water by that guy. This is why i will NEVER take advice from anyone on self improvement. It literally does not matter. I am BEYOND entitled at this point but once again, that entitlement doesnt matter. It doesnt fucking matter. The only explanation is i am not a human. That guy, despite his flaws, is a human. And thats why he had human things happen to him.
I meant context on where you guys were physically, in a crowded room or out in public or what

>The algorithm made it mainstream just like the andrew tate redpill incel shit. Unless you are about to seriously tell me, with a straight face, pre-2022 kids were using terms like sigma, alpha, and incel.
People have been posting about incels on the internet for like 10 years, and before that it was different but similar terms like PUA, Manosphere, MGTOW, etc.
No different than how people used to say lulz, lel, or just regular old lol on 4chan instead of zoomers all saying kek these days to express laughter.

>Again i doubt this, i think being online too much as a teen made me mimic it and now its just who i am now.

Anyone under the age of like 45 has been online too much as a teenager, but like you and >>33894963 have pointed out, it's not all those guys who end up completely dateless.

>>33894981
>So have you tried talking to them about this? About how you've been single all your life and they have no problem getting girls? What did they have to say?

A lot of them really dont have advice thats beyond what puas used to say like ten years ago, some say some stuff like "find someone who follows your morals/beliefs" or other vague shit like that. Im not going to type out everything they have said but it really feels like they themselves dont have a clue how they go it. They just did.

>You're 21

When did i ever say i was 21. I wish i was 21 still, im 30 about to be 31 in December.

>>33894998

>I meant context on where you guys were physically, in a crowded room or out in public or what

At my place, she had just came into my house and i tried to hug her and she pushed me away

>People have been posting about incels on the internet for like 10 years, and before that it was different but similar terms like PUA, Manosphere, MGTOW, etc.
No different than how people used to say lulz, lel, or just regular old lol on 4chan instead of zoomers all saying kek these days to express laughter.

Yes but it wasnt mainstream, holy shit you are disconnected hard from the real world and how young people act nowadays. Ive worked with several women under 25 at my job and they are all a fucking nightmare to deal with. Literally the worst women you have ever met.

>Anyone under the age of like 45 has been online too much as a teenager, but like you and >>33894963 have pointed out, it's not all those guys who end up completely dateless.

That wasnt in response to me being single, it was in response to someone saying i have severe autism. I dont think i have autism, i think i am socially stunted. Theres a difference. I think i am single because i pissed off God or something and my soul is gone or never there. I think i am not a human being and its debatable if i ever was.

>>33895047
>some say some stuff like "find someone who follows your morals/beliefs" or other vague shit like that.
and I would say someone who falls in in life with your lifestyle and hobbies, that's what worked for me.
I grew up as a music & film nerd and got into punk and metal and goth genres - same with movies I got into all the Tim Burton classics and horror movies and other alternative-cool movies like fight club or fear & loathing.

I wasn't wasting my time trying to chase after "women of all backgrounds" like you are. Trying to chase after girls that are only into sports or pop music would've been fruitless and pointless.

You on the other hand seem to not have any real hobbies or interests.

>When did i ever say i was 21. I wish i was 21 still, im 30 about to be 31 in December.
Up top, you mention that 21 is "older" and when you started noticing things. You never mention your actual age, in passing you talk about how it may or may not be normal to be single up to 30 years old.

>At my place, she had just came into my house and i tried to hug her and she pushed me away
and before that you hugged her when/where?

>Yes but it wasnt mainstream
How was it not mainstream?

> I dont think i have autism, i think i am socially stunted. also God cursed me
same difference

>>33895091
>I wasn't wasting my time trying to chase after "women of all backgrounds" like you are.

Most girls i talked to are funny enough part of the goth/metal/skater sub cultures. I agree its pointless to speak to anyone who you dont share some similarities with. I am just saying i meet girls of all types

>You on the other hand seem to not have any real hobbies or interests.

I have a ton. I garden, grow exotic plants, fish, i have exotic animals,skate/longboard, rock climb, programming, cook, i mean how many hobbies does a guy need to have? Give me a break. Most dude i know literally just play video games or go to the bar. Maybe the ambitious of them work out in a gym

>Up top, you mention that 21 is "older" and when you started noticing things. You never mention your actual age, in passing you talk about how it may or may not be normal to be single up to 30 years old.

Is english your first language? I said PASSED the age of 21, as in since i was 21, almost ten years ago, ive noticed a problem. And me saying "is it normal for a guy to be single tell 30" as in i am single and 30. I dont know how you could have read any of this as me still being in my early 20s. Fuck, if i still was in my early 20s i would go absolutely beast mode. I would have no choice but to lock tf in.

>and before that you hugged her when/where?

Usually when we met up, there isnt a designated hugging place lmao

>How was it not mainstream?

Because normal people werent talking about it? A million views on youtube is barely a blip dude. This is a total upheaval of the cultural zeitgeist. A shift in beliefs for a large percentage of young people. Major major difference. Its like saying "there was criticism against Israel in the past" ok sure, but look at how it is now. Your average young person has an opinion on it, that was absolutely NOT the case ten years ago. I am now suspicious on how old you are for you to not see this too.

>>33894972
Which makes sense why I am obsessing over it. Like this is probably the purpose of life but for whatever reason I can't participate. Everyone else can, but I can't. I have to accept I won't be a part of it no matter what. And why. It's so brutal but so disproportionate

>>33890950
A repeating pattern of inability to form any meaningful connection with anyone:

>For some anons, it is simply the consequence of our modern way of life, where internet and the social media cause the « social tissue » to crumble and made social connection a secondary thing in our lives, as people grow more dependent on tech.
>For some others it is just because of neurodivergent personality, like autism or schizoid making it hard to socialize
>For some others, this social pattern is a proof of the simulation theory and reveals what happens behind the stage. As if the « sysadmin » of this reality purposely isolated you as a way to prevent others from hearing what you have to say. Some anon postulated this happens simply because you are uncompatible with normies on an energetical level.

>>33895127
>I am just saying i meet girls of all types
narrow your searches then

>I have a ton. I garden, grow exotic plants, fish, i have exotic animals,skate/longboard, rock climb, programming, cook, i mean how many hobbies does a guy need to have? Give me a break. Most dude i know literally just play video games or go to the bar. Maybe the ambitious of them work out in a gym
video games are a great way of connecting with girls - girls who play video games.

>Is english your first language? I said PASSED the age of 21, as in since i was 21, almost ten years ago, ive noticed a problem. And me saying "is it normal for a guy to be single tell 30" as in i am single and 30. I dont know how you could have read any of this as me still being in my early 20s. Fuck, if i still was in my early 20s i would go absolutely beast mode. I would have no choice but to lock tf in.
because people think that 30 is some magical number where it's all over and you stop being young, etc. Also that a bunch of the replies are like "I am 22-23 years old and I am exactly the same"

Also it's not "tell 30" it's "until 30".

>Usually when we met up, there isnt a designated hugging place lmao
Hugging in public vs hugging in public can be seen as very different.

>Because normal people werent talking about it? A million views on youtube is barely a blip dude. This is a total upheaval of the cultural zeitgeist. A shift in beliefs for a large percentage of young people. Major major difference. Its like saying "there was criticism against Israel in the past" ok sure, but look at how it is now. Your average young person has an opinion on it, that was absolutely NOT the case ten years ago. I am now suspicious on how old you are for you to not see this too.
who's the normal people talking about it now

>>33895236
>>33895189
The COVID fraud showed you that people DO NOT want to hear the truth. It's part of the lifting of the veil, an occult ritual unfolding on planetary scale right now. These events play out over decades and centuries, so don't think for a second relief will come any time soon, but eventually it will.

>>33895261
>Hugging in public vs hugging in public
*hugging in private

There basically isn't a way to live alone and be happy like you are asking. In the past men literally killed for reasons you've talked about. Or they got killed for trying. You see this a lot in nature. What you are asking for is post animal.