Had a shroom trip 4 years ago. It opened my eyes to many things and increased my self-awareness, and kick started some thinking processes which has led me to realize what's important in life, understand how humans work, understand what I want and overall become more confident in myself.The problem is that it has also made me see the issues in the current world, making me more black pilled. I think the awareness would be useful if I didn't live in this crapsack of a world. What's worse, I've realized that most of the people don't like to look at the reality nor want to do anything to fix things (most people prefer to stay in the predictable, comfortable routine prescribed by their favourite authorities because change or unpredictability is scary and stressful)So I regularly think that maybe I should trip again to maybe get a better perspective to help orient myself. Or maybe I shouldn't. Psychedelics feel like a potential trap and in a way the opposite of what I should actually do, and potentially fuck up your brain if used too much.I feel like too much awareness can be a problem. I might be better off numbing myself like normal people, ignore the ugly realities and try to integrate into the system, pretending like everything is fine. But the more aware I become, the more difficult it becomes to put the genie back into the bottle. It may be too late already, and in that case, why not accelerate myself occasional psychedelics.Or perhaps I should become a politician/activist and actually try to change things. However, I feel like by not playing the politics game as you are supposed to, you are just painting a target on your back, and enabling people making your life miserable. Based on some politician examples, I kinda already see how it would go. I don't like dirty jobs.
Excuse me, what kind of shroom did you eat? I wanna transcend too
>>34003946The magic kind, obviously.There's a lot of different strains of psychedelic mushrooms out there, they're *mostly* the same from what I've researched, but I'm also not an expert.
>>340039462g dried.It might scale with intelligence though, mine is high>>34003971The use of psychoactive substances seems to correlate with things like this. Though, I've never had religious/spiritual delusions, but I have noticed myself drifting away from the average worldview (due to reduced propensity to numbing myself like normal people). So I kinda don't see the problem with me using psychedelics, but my intuition says it might not be wise long-term.
>>34003934You don't know shit mate. What tangible actions resulted from the shroom "insights"? All it's done is grant you an unwarranted superiority complex, it seems.
>>34004055>What tangible actions resultedImproved diet, exercise and health, though it's kinda hard to avoid all the poisons.Cravings for more evolutionarily fitting life, which I think would probably make us more happy compared to the artificial pod/bug/addiction life.Modern society makes that impossible though, because as a social animal, you kinda need others to participate in it too.>unwarranted superiority complexI'm fit and intelligent with top scores, while most people seem to be riddled with bad health from addictions, toxic ideologies which includes mistreating others, and a mental athropy to deal with anything that requires a little bit of manual thinking. And the institutions seem too corrupted to be worth participating in and I don't know how to carve a good life from nothing. Normally the societal structures guide you towards that, but the current sick society only guides you towards sickness. Again, I live in a society so I can't quite appoint myself a position on my own. A country is only a country when others acknowledge it as such. Well, technically I could, but it doesn't feel fair to have to do everything myself without support with the rest of the society only weighing me down with extra requirements and restrictions. Besides, I understand the importance of social cohesion, it's not fair for everyone else either for me to invent my own rules.I have surely suffered a fair share of damage from technology use and NEET life, but I think I could do much better than average if there was a society worth participating in. I guess it's just a downward spiral for society with nobody to lift it up, it's just too heavy.
>>34003934Yeah I took the same route you did OP. The psychedelics are a trap. Namely this part:>The problem is that it has also made me see the issues in the current world, making me more black pilled.That's the cost of 'enlightenment'. When your inner vision becomes brighter, the rest of the world looks darker. That is the cost of wisdom. >"For in much wisdom is much grief: and he that increaseth knowledge increaseth sorrow." - Ecclesiastes 1:18The more wisdom you gain, the more grief. You know this is true, don't you? It's because it is true. The wisdom is not the trap of the psychedelic. The wisdom is the bait the lure. The wisdom is real, you actually now possess it. However psychedelics trick you into this part:>Or perhaps I should become a politician/activist and actually try to change thingsIt gives you a God complex. It tells you that (you) need to fix the world. That you need to extend your control to sort the world out. This is the exact mindset that has lead the world into chaos and darkness. It is the road to Hell paved with good intentions. This is the cradle of pride, the highest sin and chief of this sin is Satan, that is the commander of Pride, Lucifer's delight. Every single crooked politician, tyrant, despot, and dictator started their journey into Hell from that first step. The hunger to 'fix' the thirst to 'control'. The way to avoid this path is to let go and put faith in a higher power, and only seek to control your own life so that you can be an example, a light for others to be comforted by. That is all.
>>34004100All of that is normal people shit.
>>34003934>yes or nonofix your shit first, you sound unsure about the direction your life should take. once you've chosen a way and stuck to it for a while (years), re-evaluate. psychedelics are great for this, they can help recover some plasticity when needed.they won't help with uncertainty. you actually sound like a prime subject for fucking yourself up with this kind of thinking>made me see the issues in the current worldif the consequence of this is being paralyzed in inaction and doubt, you should not touch them again (neither weed) for a long time.
>>34004100Also all I'm hearing is society this society that. What do you actually want to change about society?
>>34004108>That you need to extend your control to sort the world out.What's wrong with fixing the world? Though I guess the usual pipeline is that you either stay good and quit because genuinely trying to fix things is dirty job, or become corrupted or drunk with power to reap the benefits.>The way to avoid this path is to let go and put faith in a higher powerI was indoctrinated from childhood and left it, and I don't want religion anymore. Though I agree that religion tends to help people cope with darkness of reality. I guess there are something like music, aesthetics and other meaningless cultural stuff that I could worship, but that's hardly a higher power.>>34004113can you point out where I was wrong, or more broadly how my mentality is wrong? Could be helpful.>Also all I'm hearing is society this society that.Yeah because I think there are some huge issues affecting me that are outside of my control.>What do you actually want to change about society?Kind of irrelevant question because my ability to change society is limited, probably not worth putting my hopes into. Then again, who else is gonna do it? Recognize and reduce usage of harmful technologies, stop false convictions and imprisoning and force-drugging of harmless psychiatric patients (disgusting), bring back basic respect for men and stop self-hating your own people (it's kind of demotivating to be hated for your sex and race)
>>34003934Uhm, from what you're posting I'll nay it for another year or two and suggest a lighter dosage than the previous time.I don't believe you're like totally "out of the woods" in terms of societal conditionings bc there's nothing indicating that you'd have the tools to get past them. I don't and I've been low-key working on it for some 8 years in a row.Drop a Discord if you want to have a chat about it, this being in public means I have to talk more common-denominator.
>>34003934Psychedelics are bullshit. You're not more enlightened because you became intoxicated. The world has always had problems and always will have. If you were living in a tribe 10 thousand years ago you'd have insomnia because some other tribe could invade and murder your entire community or a fucking lion could eat your head or you could be bitten by a poisonous snake or spider.Every intoxicant from alchohol to weed to mushrooms brings up our anxieties because they fuck with our brain chemistry. We're not supposed to be "realizing muh blackpilled reality" willingly, it's fucking idiotic.
>>34004151>What's wrong with fixing the world?It cannot be done practically speaking. Realistically speaking, the world can only fix itself. Individuals, all 10 billion, must change themselves and want things like peace and harmony themselves. Just as how you found your way to a more wise state of mind yourself, others must do likewise. And that's only for them to choose.>I was indoctrinated from childhood and left it, and I don't want religion anymore.I thought this of myself too. What it actually was, was my parents simply wanted me to enjoy the same things that they felt brought them virtue and kept them on the straight and narrow. Parents will always want their children to do the same. Why? Because they want to feel reassured their children will be safe. Some parents are cruel about it, pushy, controlling or demeaning. This is because they are human, and humans are flawed. Humans will always carry their flaws into anything they touch, including religion.You are free to do as you wish. I simply recommend maybe revisiting the notion of God now that you got the psychedelic experience. Psychedelic is a word that comes from greek:Psych = SoulDelos = reveal.A soul reveal. For me, I wanted to know the source of that. Who or what brings it to be. And I wanted to take that soul and return it to the source, and learn what I can. Your soul is in your keeping, what you do with it is your business. My insight to you is you will be surprised how much in common your new perspective has in common with that if God's. It's because He is where we inherited it from, a literal spiritual father. But yeah anyway, with the psychedelic experience you gotta treat it like a fish. Chew the meat but spit out the bone. Take the good wisdom from it, use it, embody it. For the things that trouble you or blur your clarity, discard it.
>>34004279>Every intoxicant from alchohol to weed to mushrooms brings up our anxietiesRight, you said it. They bring out our anxieties and inner demons precisely because they were within us. All psychedelics do is remind you where they come from, it comes from the self. This can either be helpful or destructive it really depends on how that person handles that information afterwards.
>>34004108>>When your inner vision becomes brighter, the rest of the world looks darker. That is the cost of wisdom.
Big doses of shrooms fried me pretty bad for a while. Honestly I didn't get anything from them that getting a little older and maturing wouldn't have given me already.
>>34003996>It might scale with intelligence though, mine is highNo it isn't lmfao
>>34003934Shrooms have done fried this guys brain, although it's the first time i've seen someone gain an EGO after a trip
>>34004108>>It tells you that (you) need to fix the world. That you need to extend your control to sort the world out. This is the exact mindset that has lead the world into chaos and darkness.Depends on how you go about it imo. Like, joining a food bank or helping out at the library isn't gonna make the world worse.
>>34005259You haven't seen much then kek
>>34003934>frees his mind>dislikes the implications of freedom in a world of evil>thinks another dose of freedom will solve itDon't you think you should act on what you have before going back to the well?
>>34004151>Improved diet, exercise and healthThis is all very basic normal people shit, I'm not saying it's wrong, I'm just saying it's basic, not some kind of wooowww grand shrooms mystical special transformation>Recognize and reduce usage of harmful technologies, stop false convictions and imprisoning and force-drugging of harmless psychiatric patients (disgusting), bring back basic respect for men and stop self-hating your own people (it's kind of demotivating to be hated for your sex and race)Ok and none of these are some kind of grand earth-shattering never-seen-before viewpoints eitherYes modernity and it's technologies have consequences unga bungaYes the entire system and framework behind "mental health" is utterly retardedYes gender and hoeflation and etc etc modern "dating" is all crapped upYes racists are fucking stupidLike?Why do you act like this is some kind of huge crisis and now you can't live on anymore. Just focus on your own life and let others be retarded and deal with their own messes, if you have a spare moment to help others then do so, otherwise, not your fucking problem
>>34005348Some would argue food banks are enabling the migrants that are tearing the fabric of civilized societies apart so that probably makes the world worse if you agree with that point of view
>>34006824... did you mis-link that? And yes, I would agree that feeding your own country's invaders is a demerit.Anyway, OP abandoned thread ages ago.
>>34006824>Some would argueThose """some""" would be wrong.
>>34007072>t. baby jeetus fan
You shouldn't do drugs unless:-You're in a great place in your life, in terms of relationship, family, career, friends, hobby-You need to be in the right place, at the right time, with sober people you trust to keep you safe-You need to do a boatload of research to understand the substance-Ideally, you should obtain it from nature yourself (requires a boatload of research)Stick with lucid dreaming for now.
>>34007144This is also especially not the right time in your life to use them because you're dealing with a lot of negativity and dark thinking. You need to figure that stuff out, sober, and get to a good mindset, before you ever go playing with fire again. And you can see all the weird stuff you'll ever want to in dreamland anyway.
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>>34005736>Ok and none of these are some kind of grand earth-shattering never-seen-before viewpoints eitherThere is a critical difference between having heard a viewpoint before and actually prioritizing it. Most people have heard those viewpoints, but few people have actually realized their importance and that's why they don't actually live by them. For example>Yes modernity and it's technologies have consequences unga bungaWhat they actually think (unsconsciously): "however I feel it's more important for me to have access for infinite supply of emotional masturbation entertainment, because it brings me momentary dopamine hit and peace at times of distress. I also don't exactly understand why it is bad for me, nor do I understand how it is slowly degrading my brain function and is leading to my destruction over time, so I'm just gonna keep using it and hopefully nothing bad happens and if something does, somebody else will sort it out."Or like the poll asking if someone would let an immigrant live in their home, they say yes, and when actually offered to take in any number of immigrants, they actually don't want to do it. It's literally just fantasy.Most people live like a cattle, following their most basic short-term instinct and numbing the pain signals while they are getting boiled. They let the system guide them, and now that the system is corrupted, it leads them off a cliff. Whereas I get a repulsion towards those things. There are few constructive things left in modern society that I'm actually drawn towards, like eating real food and exercising to stay healthy (after managing to avoid the junk addiction) and going out into the nature to give my body and mind the signals it needs.
>>34007693(continued)It makes me think that maybe the refusal to engage on a societal scale could be an evolutionary protective mechanism and signal to the rest of the society that shit needs to change. The amount of life drop-outs seems to be increasing. Which first happens on the emotional level, and later in action (however the system that whips people into action somewhat resists that).On the other hand, by freezing and doing nothing, I may be shooting myself into the foot and I'm not entirely sure if it's a good option. But then again, the thought of selfishly fighting my way to the top of a sinking ship for my own benefit just feels soulless and boring and I don't want it. What I believe leads to a fulfilling life is something like family and homeland you can stand behind. Well, shit might change and then it would be good to have a head start.
