>>34030591
Definitely "be yourself". That's the cause of every single problem. Don't fall for it.

love will find you when you least expect it, you need to stop stressing out over finding a date

Life is short
Actually life is long
but we procrastinate a lot to distract ourselves from it

"Just shave it bro, women love bald men"

>>34030591
I love my parents, but they leaned way too heavily on “you can do whatever you want” when I would turn to them for guidance and advice as a kid.
It’s a little too vague and not a very helpful answer for someone with little to no direction.

>>34030591
>fight with your words, not fists

>>34030617
This kind of..it's a lie..

>>34030591
Follow your dreams is good advice but only when understood correctly or intuitively. Saying it to people with no dreams or aspirations is what sucks. The advice is otherwise solid.

>>34030607
Be yourself is great advice as well. But again as before it depends on how much of a sense of self a person has. Some people don't know who the fuck they are or where they fit in, so saying "be yourself" gives them more questions than answers. Especially if bring their true self = punishment from others. Typical case: niggas with autism

Worst advice I have ever heard and still can't be beat:
"If you don't have a anything nice to say, don't say it at all."

>>34030591
"Hard work leads to success"
Nope, turns out being pretty and popular does. Working hard makes you a useful tool to pretty and popular people.

>>34030591
For me, it was "don't follow your dreams".

>>34030607
Some of the best advice you can get. God, you guys are both retarded.

>>34030617
0 for 3 from the first 3 posts, great thread guys.

>trust your feelings, bro
Worst advice ever.

>>34030617
This, and also
>just keep working and improving yourself, the right girl will come soon ;)
Benching 290, winning martial arts tournaments and playing piano won't get you a girlfriend. It will just make you a jacked 25yo virgin

>"Listen to your parents. They always know best."
Parents are uneducated 1st gen immigrants who have no idea how American society works. They've fallen for a lot of scams. Yet they often give unsolicited, bad advice because age = wisdom in their culture.

>"Spend more time with family."
I would if the majority of them weren't selfish, racist, homophobic, bigoted, materialistic, vain, shallow, gossipy, emotionally immature, judgmental, short-sighted, rude, unhygienic, ignorant assholes with no filter...but I guess that's typical in Asian families.

>>34030812
>>just keep working and improving yourself, the right girl will come soon ;)
That doesn't mean "never try or also talk to a girl while you're doing all these things, ever" which is how you autists seem to willingly interpret as permission to do so.
Just like how "be yourself" doesn't mean "never change and embrace and even double-down on all your worst qualities", it just means "don't be fake".

>>34030890
Age does bring wisdom though. Wisdom is made out of experience not intelligence. The older you get the wiser you get. Even if you are a colossal fuck-up in old age, you still got an abundant hoard of knowledge of what not to do.

>>34030921
>Wisdom is made out of experience
Have you experienced anal fisting on shrooms with a homeless guy? I did. Checkmate.

>>34030948
Nah I never experienced an anal fisting on shrooms with a homeless guy. But if you have what did you learn from it?

>>34030890
>"Listen to your parents. They always know best."
Everyone should strive to do better than their parents. Actually listening to your parents and being obedient will piss your parents off even if they liked it in the beginning. Parents are still people. They want things bad for them too.
>"Spend more time with family."
Spend time with YOUR family (wife and kids) while they're young.

>>34030890
Ngl it sounds like in a lot of ways your family is wiser than you, but you have the arrogant folly of youth

>>34030607
On a similar note, "Be true to yourself" is a dogshit and one of the most harmfully enabling phrases used

>>34030591
"work hard, and everything you need will come" yeah i fucking wish, this is actual bullshit of an advice

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>>34030607
Skill issue

>>34030774
You should work hard at things that pay you back and you personally find valuable. Obviously if you work hard at Walmart for 10 years you'll have nothing to show for it. Getting mad that people like attractive people is a cope.

>>34031035
See>>34031051 Working hard just because usually leads to toil.

>>34031051
>Getting mad that people like attractive people is a cope.
You'd have to be utterly retarded to deny the scientifically demonstrated halo effect. Being a fuckable woman that manages not to have a tantrum every 5 minutes will see you climb the corporate ladder far faster than being a competent but ugly man.

>>34031081
I'm not trying to deny the halo effect. I said that seething about it is a cope.
>Im never going to work hard because someone else didnt have to
is obviously a retarded cope. It blows me away that anons who post here think that people being attracted to attractive people is somehow dark eldritch knowledge.

>>34031113
Lol no, working hard is the retarded cope. Most of western society under 40 has no fucking hope. They won't even come close to matching their parent's quality of life.

>>34031140
I'm forced to concur. It's logical to lean out when the economy is a smoking ruin and the country is a corrupt shithole.

>>34031202
Hey, at least if you're attractive, people will throw their resources at you for your attention like penguins gathering stones.

>>34030778
how do you figure? waiting for love to happen to you is bad advice, flat out

>>34030919
Yeah that's why it's bad advice to tell a bullied meek teenage boy with no friends to just keep doing what he is doing and spout other useless platitudes at him instead of putting in the effort as a parent to guide him. If I ever have a son (which i highly doubt because i'm a mid 20s kissless virgin with 0 experience with women) i will do my absolute best to make sure he is properly socialised and parent him properly and not tell him "uhh yeah just keep practicing violin lol if you get good enough you will surely stop getting bullied lol i don't care, workson my machine, wheel of fortune is on tv"

>>34031351
>i will do my absolute best to make sure he is properly socialised
Oh, you mean like how you're currently working to make yourself properly socialized mister mid 20s kissless virgin?
The advice in question generally works if you take it in a bubble; it is not rendered obsolete as advice for all potential parties because you can't hear it without attaching you and your parents own particular brand of baggage to it.

>>34031241
>waiting for love to happen to you is bad advice
I already explained in another post >>34030919 that it doesn't mean what you think it means (or what you want it to mean), first of all. But second of all, trying to force love when there's none there or to the detriment of everything else in your life is also flat out bad advice.

>>34031366
Properly socialised normal teenagers don't need advice and counsel. The general advice of "just self improve" has been given to all spergy guys for the past 20 years. Don't move the goalopsts now "oh if i told a normal kid who had no major defects the same advice he would've turned out fine" yeah thats the point. Advice is useful if it works for the people who need it/asked for it. If you gave a crackhead hobo 100 bucks he would spend it on crack nad remain a hobo. If you gave it to Warren Buffet he would remain Warren Buffet. Bad advice is advice that leads people astray, due to being too general, wrong, etc.

>>34031004
Don't listen to your parents.

>>34030617
Who says it?

>>34030591
"confess your deepest most intimate feelings of love to girls who barely know your name" is one of the worst ones.

and of course

"The way to get girls is to ingore them throughout all of middle school, jr high, high school, and college and instead focus on work and homework. A free magical girlfriend shows up at your doorstep once you've made your boss enough money"

>>34031113
>You should work hard at things that pay you back and you personally find valuable.
Explain why I shouldn't do this

>>34030591
>What's the worst advice ever seen?
Life is unfair so it's okay to ruin your life and make it worse

>>34031412
>Properly socialised normal teenagers don't need advice and counsel.
Yes they do you fucking retard, all people and especially all young people need advice and guidance from time to time. It's literally part of what we all have (or are supposed to have) parents for.
>If you gave a crackhead hobo 100 bucks he would spend it on crack nad remain a hobo. If you gave it to Warren Buffet he would remain Warren Buffet.
But either way, the 100 bucks hasn't changed and it's still 100 bucks. The 100 bucks isn't to blame for the crackhead blowing it on crack, it's the crackhead's fault for being a worthless crackhead to begin with.
Interesting though how you both seem to be taking on the crackhead role from the analogy AND using it as some sort of "gotcha" attempt at the same time, somehow. As in
>ha! jokes on you anon, your advice that would be perfectly fine for most people doesn't work on me because I'm just THAT much of hopeless mental case!"
Uh, weird flex anon but that's ok.

"Everything will be alright"

>>34030812
>Benching 290, winning martial arts tournaments and playing piano won't get you a girlfriend. It will just make you a jacked 25yo virgin
amazing how common this experience is for this generation, kek

>>34030607
be yourself is the best advice I've given myself. If "yourself" sucks then just fix it.

I've never heard advice that was not applicable in some particular situations.

>>34031042
>>34031676
>>34030776
If you need a paragraph to explain why it doesn't actually mean what it says it means, it's shit advice. Actually good advice would be something like:
>the version of you that only follows their instinct probably sucks, so put in constant effort to fix your behavior or you'll only suffer more

>>34031635
Tbf almost every woman, when asked, will actually say they don't want a body builder or a guy who goes to the gym.

>>34030591
>What's the worst advice ever seen?
I won't read survey threads, or whinging threads about advice, on an advice board.

>>34031738
>If you need a paragraph to explain why it doesn't actually mean what it says it means, it's shit advice.
Or maybe it's not shit advice but just that you're really dumb anon.
>>the version of you that only follows their instinct probably sucks, so put in constant effort to fix your behavior or you'll only suffer more
You decry "needing a paragraph" but you actually wrote more here than I did to begin with.
Here's a thought though for you to consider anon: the best advice is the advice that makes you think, not the advice that just spoonfeeds.
So if the advice screens you out because you can't stop and consider just what it's really saying, you're just proving yourself unworthy of the help to begin with. Feature, not a bug.

>>34031004
I've learnt that I'm actually looking for love. Still, crazy sex is great, but the novelty wears off, making you do crazier and crazier stuff just to get the same high.

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>>34031750
Yeah, and it's kind of a classic example of how men mix up what women want - they don't want a gym rat because behaviorally, he's fucking boring. He spends a lot of time in an air conditioned room putting iron weights up and down again. However, an college or pro athlete with the same build is pretty much universally considered peak male attractiveness - it's physique plus social status that makes him attractive, but online 4chan types don't get it, so they spend a lot of time getting physically strong without understanding that it isn't really going to do jack shit for them. And the reason they do it is understandable - it's far easier to get strong by just consistently putting effort into doing the same documented and well understood thing over and over again, than it is to build any kind of social status that way

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>>34030607
Pic related.

ACT is entirely built around teaching you how to responsibly be yourself. Seek help.

>>34031765
>So if the advice screens you out because you can't stop and consider just what it's really saying, you're just proving yourself unworthy of the help to begin with. Feature, not a bug
That's about the dumbest thing I've heard, even more than expanding the already retarded "just bee yourself" crap into a bunch of shit that it never really meant in the first place. Want to know why religious cultures were so successful over their competition in the pre-modern era? Because they laid out clear and obvious codes of conduct for their believers, extrapolating on exactly what they meant instead of hiding behind "oh you didn't read the subtext? skill issue" because you don't actually have any real "advice" to give at all

>>34031774
NTA but you can reduce it further. Bill Gates has high social status too, so it can't be about social status. Additionally, an athlete can have relatively bad physique and still be attractive, so what is it really?

It's safety. "That's abstract." Think about it. Women are weaker than men. Put yourself in their shoes, imagine if fun giants roamed the earth. They were 2 ft tall on average. They were louder than you. They took more space but were overall friendly. They were also sexually attractive to you.

How would you feel?

You'd want a giant that took care of you, gave you safety in the world of giants, but was also fun, exciting bla bla (add all the things women want). What would the giant want? He'd want your bussy, he doesn't need anything else from you, really.

Would you go for the pathetic giant who loses in the space of giants? Not really. Would you be attracted to the peak of giants? Most likely.

So what do women ultimately want? They want you to make them feel safe in the world of giants. "Reassurance, excitement, fun bla bla" are all bi products of this. An athlete signals unadulterated safety. Undeniable attractiveness, social status, physical strength etc. Few men can compete because there are few things athletes lack but if you get a better man, for example someone just as sexually attractive but who spends less time in labor, they will definitely be more attractive than the athlete. Or less time in labor + is undeniably hilarious, that's even more attractive.

The foundation is social safety.

>>34031784
>Because they laid out clear and obvious codes of conduct for their believers
Yeah exactly...their BELIEVERS...and that isn't you, since you openly say the advice is dumb.
Want to read up a little further on what a lot of religions have to say about their NON-believers anon? Go ahead, finish out the line of comparison.

>>34031814
Again, you're not making any sense because you missed the point. The whole reason anyone buys into the religious system is that they lay out as clearly and understandably as possible, exactly what they mean, and don't hide behind vagueness like "be yourself". That's where all the benefit comes from, is having specific claims, and the same thing extends to philosophy as well - any decent philosophical argument is never going to say something vague like that, and ask you as the reader to just "read between the lines" because then, they have no actual strong claims to be critiqued.

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>>34030591
"Put yourself in tons of debt so that you can get a diploma and wait in line like everybody else for a job"

>>34030607
A lot of anger over this post from self-satisfied, self-worshippers who refuse to take responsibility for their problems and lives/

>>34031374
those two aren't the same advice at all though. one encourages effort and the other actively encourages waiting and passivity

>>34031774
>And the reason they do it is understandable - it's far easier to get strong by just consistently putting effort into doing the same documented and well understood thing over and over again, than it is to build any kind of social status that way
not really

if you put 2 hours into approaching women every MWF you'll get a date before you'll get strong enough that people go "that's a strong gym guy"

>>34033027
>if you put 2 hours into approaching women every MWF you'll get a date before you'll get strong enough that people go "that's a strong gym guy"
NTA but that's a lie.
I did an insane amount of cold approaches last year while being in the best shape of my life. I lost count at 50, and I was doing at least one a day for 4 or 5 months. I got precisely one date out of that.
Meanwhile, I was getting comments about how buff I was getting how much weight I was dropping, etc. left and right.

You're a normgroid if you can actually approach a woman, talk to her, and get a date from it. If you're an autist, like so many of us are, it's pretty much over and you are actually forced to wait for the rare compatible woman who won't discard you for being obviously neurodiverse.

>>34031813
I'm not disagreeing with it but
>The foundation is social safety
The frustrating thing about women is how easily this works against them. A silver tongued 5'9" DYEL midwit is objectively genetically inferior to a 6'5" musclebound Harvard graduate making half a mil a year, but if the former guy is a rizzler and knows about 67 and Labubus he'll get laid way more.

It's time to stop focusing on "how do we get dates in the modern world" to "how do we GET RID OF the modern world." Men used to have fucking agency you know, when we didn't like something we fucking did something about it. Call it an "incel revolution" but eventually shit has to turn because there are too many angry disenfranchised men of fighting age.

>The worst thing she can say is “no”
lol
lmao

>>34033058
>NTA but that's a lie.
no it isn't

>I did an insane amount of cold approaches last year while being in the best shape of my life.
thats not what i said. you are replying to what you thought you read but it wasn't what i said. i said getting a date takes less practice than getting strong if you put in a couple hours three times a week

>I lost count at 50, and I was doing at least one a day for 4 or 5 months. I got precisely one date out of that.
PROVING MY POINT!

you wouldn't be strong starting from no gym and doing gym for 4 or 5 months

if you can get a date from cold approaches you have no excuse for not having a date. at least some women see you and want to fuck. anything going wrong after that is you sabotaging yourself

>Meanwhile, I was getting comments about how buff I was getting how much weight I was dropping, etc. left and right.
Cool, no one would be giving those complements to someone who started fat or scrawny and was on month four or five of the gym.

>You're a normgroid if you can actually approach a woman, talk to her, and get a date from it.
You literally just said you did that thing! Within a few months of practice!

>If you're an autist, like so many of us are, it's pretty much over and you are actually forced to wait for the rare compatible woman who won't discard you for being obviously neurodiverse.
my post never said anything about finding a wife, i said getting a date can happen with less consistent discipline and practice than getting strong. every single thing you said after that confirmed my claim

>>34030890
I think “listening to your parents/elders” and acknowledging the fact that they have more experience than you helped me but also hurt me. It helped me be more open-minded and introspective as a kid, but now as an adult I still feel like I don’t know shit and default to agreeing with others or trying to make a compromise when faced with a difference of opinion instead of standing my ground.

Oh yeah and people-pleasing too. I hate telling/showing people they’re wrong or correcting them so I’ll just follow along knowing they’re wrong and then they get annoyed and say “you should have told me”
But then they get annoyed when I do correct them and act like I’m trying to one-up them

I’m honestly jealous of retards who double-down on their opinions, at least people can respect that kind of obstinance and conviction to not get easily swayed. Not conditioned to be trapped in a cuck mindset like me. You can tell me my own name is Dick and my immediately reaction is to believe you

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>>34033162
A whole bunch of reddit-spaced cringe and cope I shouldn't reply to but I will
>thats not what i said. you are replying to what you thought you read but it wasn't what i said. i said getting a date takes less practice
I did read what you said, moron. If you're too ESL to understand that I was underscoring my point that I was also physically attractive in addition to being outgoing enough to do approaches, then fucking learn how English works better. It's a little more subtle than what google translate spits out to convert your Hindi sentences.
>Anything going wrong after that is you sabotaging yourself
You're proving MY POINT. There is no "self-sabotage," neurodivergent men just turn women off. That's just how it is, how is this so hard to swallow?

Also, so many women don't even WANT boyfriends or dates. Every 6/10 or above seems to just be maintaining a harem of simps and when they actually need sex they call Jamal Backblowerquarius. I tried to be the back blower, but I'm literally too high IQ. Statistically, most women are literally midwits and can't handle talking to someone a few standard eviations above them.

>Cool, no one would be giving those complements to someone who started fat or scrawny and was on month four or five of the gym.
>You literally just said you did that thing! Within a few months of practice!
Since you're too stupid to put together a timeline, I'll say it explicitly. I was getting those compliments BEFORE I got that date, and after it.
Yes I was working out before that, but I looked like Mac from It's Always Sunny when he got fat. I was strong and had muscle but I looked DYEL. Then I broke up and suddenly got back onto the dating market and lost a bunch of weight while focusing less on powershitting and more on workouts for aesthetics.

There is no "practicing" your personality. If you're faking it, WOMEN CAN TELL, THEY CAN ALWAYS TELL. If you happen to be the "wrong" personality for today's average women, you're fucked.

>>34030890
>racist, homophobic, bigoted
It's actually a very smart idea to be these things, just not vocalize them

>>34030607
"Be yourself" only works if you're conventionally attractive, already a social butterfly of sorts and not too autistic to recognize when others are into you. If you're not at least some combination of the aforementioned it's a death sentence instead.

>>34033027
>if you put 2 hours into approaching women every MWF you'll get a date before you'll get strong enough that people go "that's a strong gym guy"
lmao, biggest crock of shit ever, up there with reddit-tier shit like "be yourself"

>>34031750
lmao, another crock of horse shit. they say one thing then mean another. literally no chick given the choice is going to choose a fat retard over someone that puts actual effort into their physique and fitness

>>34033248
>not too autistic to recognize when others are into you
When women are actually into you they leave no room for second guessing. "Looking for signs" is useless because if it's not obvious, then there are no signs
>b-b-buh I saw this girl complaining on tiktok that she was giving hints to a guy
She wasn't truly interested. Women love baiting men with coquettish looks, that's how they get free shit. Deep down the woman will know this but will excuse it by saying "I made it totally obvious, he just didn't want me, he must be too intimidated because I'm so stunning and gorgeous"
Never fight for a woman's attention.

>>34031738
I used one sentence to explain so I'm not sure why you're replying to me

>>34030591
Here's some more:
"Just open up"
"Ask for help if you need it"
"There's always other options"
Man, talking to people is a horrific mistake. People will use *anything* you tell them against you when the time is right for them.

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>>34033338
Ironically, I use those advice on other ppl even tho it never works on me.
Pls don’t misunderstand, when ppl tell me those, they want validation. I can only send them off with textbook advices that never works.

>>34033338
>"Ask for help if you need it"
I agree with this on a personal level because
>People will use *anything* you tell them against you when the time is right for them.
I have experienced this myself, especially from family and girlfriends.
HOWEVER
In terms of asking for help at customer service, with getting a refund, dealing with a bullshit gov't agency, etc, ALWAYS ASK FOR HELP. BE A KAREN. THE SQUEAKY WHEEL DOES GET THE OIL.
I have personally saved thousands of dollars for both myself and my business and who knows how many man hours by demanding for white glove treatment. Food service is the only exception because you don't want to eat the cook's jizz, but if you're not putting it in your body be a whiny Karen about getting the best you can as fast as you can.

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>>34030607
Gotta be honest man, the times I've made the biggest ass of myself is when I try to be someone else. Professionally and personally people see through it as being artificial. Only sociopaths can get away with it and even then only for a short period of time.

The girl i've been dating for the past year is probably my strongest relationship ever because I didn't try to be a tryhard faggot our first date. I got the senior level job I have because I just spoke to my experience rather than try to bullshit my way in. And while it's DEFINITELY lead me astray a ton of times, I'm SO fucking thankful for the times it hasn't, because I would've killed myself without my friends and family who love me as I am.

>>34033853
Fucking hell that's a good quote.

“When you die you will go to heaven or hell”

Why

“… because”

Find true love.

Talk to her about how you're feeling and your fears. I'll leave you anons to work out how that went.

"Go to therapy/get professional help"
It's fucking useless. I got thrown into a psych ward twice. I've wasted tens of thousands of dollars. I'm still mentally ill garbage after 10+ years of trying

>>34030591
"You need to fail lots of times before achieving success."

An absolute crock of shit that feel-good life coaches feed to complete losers to make them feel like they can turn things around if they try enough times. In reality if you've only known failure then it won't lead to eventual success, it'll just lead to you feeling more and more hopeless and demoralized until you can't take it anymore. The human mind is highly efficient and if something isn't working, it'll simply stop caring to keep trying it.

>>34031081
The thing about the halo effect is that it actually works in reverse as well. It has been shown that people who are fun and interesting to be around get a major boost to their appeal. It's how you have ugly slobs dating women out of their league.

>>34030774
Yeah, it really should be "smart work leads to success".

>>34030921
experience comes from taking life seriously, not because of age. Of course it takes time to build wisdom, but time on itself won't give you that. A person with tons of real life experience is wiser than the old man who is still trapped in his bubble.

>>34030591
In some sense every advice can be wrong if it doesnt fit you specifically. So there probably is not one worst advice out there. It really depends on you and your life circuumstances.

>>34030591
Wost advice:
Kill yourself
Best advice:
Just flourish bro