>>34032206
Just ignore it, its ramblings from blackpilled autists who will do the absolute most to avoid the fact that personality and authenticity is what keeps them from scoring, specifically their lack of both.

>>34032206
>i often see men online saying that they can/can't "afford" a pretty woman
When they say this they're almost always exclusively referring to the kind of pretty woman that are for sale and that other men are able to afford. They're referring to the 10/10 instagram models that exist in the highly transactional high society where people trade money for status. Most of us don't have access to that world, no, but anybody who touches a lot of grass knows its a miserable way to exist - where every relationship in your life is a business deal based on how much clout and excess wealth you can accumulate like some sort of fantasy dragon sleeping on a mountain of gold.

>>34032206
>must spend or provide more for a woman if she's attractive
Most women who think they are attractive think this, and most women think they are 9/10+. Men are simply listening to what women are saying, and noping the fuck out.

>>34032470
it's the opposite. men are openly saying that they want to be able to "afford" a pretty woman. if you read this as a woman, you can come to no other conclusion but the fact that if a man doesn't treat you like that, he doesn't find you attractive.
you are free to lie about it, but it doesn't change anything.

>>34032206
we live in weird times where the expectations of old are still there while in contradiction with new expactations. then people hold these, at times conflicting, expectations for dating because (like you) they think that the others think like this and start passing up on possibly good fits in favor of what they think is expected of them.

>>34032206
Society treats relationships as transactional. Not saying it’s right or wrong, it just is. There is just as much concern on the other side that if we don’t pay up in some form, she will feel unvalued or what someone who will give her shit. Just as you pointed out. She isn’t going to ignore society’s rules just because they’re unfair, she will do what’s in her best interest and that’s taking people for all they’re worth. Therefore, if men want women, they don’t have a choice but to play ball.


To me personally, this is only a concern after starting a relationship and could be talked about if you truly wanted things to be different.
The cost that stops me from approaching women is the ever present fear of an arrest for doing so.
Inb4
>well, clearly if you’re getting arrested for talking to people, you’re doing something wrong.
This is false. Anyone can be arrested, at anytime, for any reason, including no reason at all. The police and legal system are not paragons of virtue who only arrest the guilty.

>>34032206
the girls that I can call at 2 am and come to my place to fuck or I can treat like shit and not buy a candy and still will come for a good fuck are not attractive to me
I tried, oh god I tried, everyone told me to settle down and just accept what destiny brings to me, I just can't take them seriously, I lose interest in them quickly, I even don't have the will to fuck them after that first time or couple times when it was a novelty.
On the other hand I spent a couple dozen thousand of dollars these past months trying to make it work with a girl that barely showed any interest in me. She was pretty as a movie star, she was young and very fit, her face was to die for.
But she only talked to me when she was bored, when she wanted to eat something, when she was very horny or when she needed money
mostly the money thing
I still prefer that over fucking uglies, I'm looking for the next pretty girl I can spend a couple months trying to convince to be with me.
I've had gfs but those were very lucky situations, they liked me AND they were pretty, I'm not entirely sure I'll be able to find girls like my two last serious relationships, I should have married the last one

Just looksmatch stop making the next generation uglier

Or go for those big fraud "beauties" which cost a lot of effort to make "beautiful" and purchase those done up frauds, since the genes underneath are still ugly so by purchasing fraud beauty you actually inadvertently looksmatch

>>34032206
If a man is pursuing a beautiful woman, he’s not the only one. Women know this and will choose the exciting option. To provide excitement, it costs a lot of time and money to go out to restaurants, vacations, buy nice clothes and dress up, etc. You could spend so much and she’ll just take it for granted because she gets it from other guys. Most guys like the idea of a beautiful woman but the reality is much different. It’s the opposite of relaxing, it’s competition from all sides. Most men would prefer a woman that loves them for what they comfortably can provide. Women are commonly materialistic and judge what they get from a man. The female pecking order requires them to show off their man and what he gives her. It’s not a great situation for a man if he barely can afford his own life.

>>34032206
It's the 21st century! After the first couple of dates nobody should be "buying" the other's company. You either split he cost of dates or just take turns paying

>>34034463
It is the correct way, but men apparently only go equal if they don't find the woman that attractive. Everyone wants to date someone who actually finds them attractive.

Men always lie so look at their actions instead of listening to their lies.

>>34034470
>Men always lie so look at their actions instead of listening to their lies.

bump.

>>34032206
I've dated a handful of guys, so definitely just a small sample, but I can kind of confirm it.
The one who liked me the most went above and beyond to make the experience of dating him good, and did not mind spending money on me. Especially early on, he refused to let me touch my wallet and I did not pay anything until a year or so in.

>>34032206
>i often see men online saying that they can/can't "afford" a pretty woman. do most men feel like this? that you feel you must spend or provide more for a woman if she's attractive to you?
Not strictly in a financial sense, but yeah, generally speaking in all of my relationships I felt that I needed to "provide" the bulk of the relationship, whether that be for covering expenses or showing support for my SO.
>so, if a man isn't acting like he wants to "afford" you, does it mean he's settling for you/doesn't find you actually beautiful?
I don't think that's quite the step in logic that I personally would take. Like with anything, there is a lot of give and take, and if I feel the relationship is not worth the "cost" of a combination of money/time/mental/etc. to me, then I simply do not pursue.
>idk dating seems so stressful and learning about this stuff has made it seem even more stressful to me.
I think you are just looking at it from certain echo chambers on the internet because I have personally not ever even heard of such an issue. It is good to be grounded and get a feel for that, because I don't think people are going to waste time dating people they feel they can't afford. It just won't ever get to that point.

>>34032206
When it comes to purely physical traits then I would like to date teenagers, because they are the prettiest, but usually teenagers don't work or work for minimum wage, so I cannot afford both of us, so I am going for someone older.

>seems to me like you're setting yourself up to date someone who doesn't actually find you attractive
there are several ingredients to attractiveness, look is one of them

>that you feel you must spend or provide more for a woman if she's attractive to you
and
>>34034470
>but men apparently only go equal if they don't find the woman that attractive
In my case it's more about feeling that she is more attractive than me so I have to compensate with money (but If I don't know her from my social circles, but only met her on dating app then I would restrict myself on first dates with spending money on her, because the ratio of succesful investment is too low.)

also by "afford" they can mean that they would need some money to fix some personal problems(for example medical treatment) which would make them more attractive to women

>>34035313
only ugly men want to be able to afford pretty woman, chad wouldn't need that

>>34032206
>spend more on me!
A walking advert for volceldom

>>34034470
>no you don't understand! i HAVE to gold dig! i don't want to but am forced to!
foid logic to cope with being naturally materialistic but self aware enough to dislike it

>>34032206
Dating women costs money.
Not dating women does not cost money.
Surely this isn't difficult to understand.

Ask yourself if any woman would date you if you loat your job and that should answer your question.

>>34032671
This is so real.
I generally ignore the women who are easily available.
The women who are super hot - I have to humiliate myself trying to get them, and they usually lose attraction when they see me trying too hard.
I would imagine it only works if you manage to fuck them ASAP.
I almost want to abstain from women altogether. The idea of a life partner - it seems like you have to wade through endless pain to find that.
Life is pretty sad desu.

>>34032206
men are expected to provide. some men have worked hard enough and earned enough to afford provision, some men know that they need to work harder and earn more.
> now it seems like i must reject guys if they don't act like they want to be able to afford me
you would be rejecting men that are saying they want to work harder for you, to provide for you.

>>34035915
>you would be rejecting men that are saying they want to work harder for you, to provide for you.
I found this out the hard way. No girl truly wants the guy who's a work-in-progress, even if he has talent. And it's also the guy's best interest not to date anyway, because he's too busy building.
The guy who is a WIP can easily lose everything and start from square one by choosing the wrong woman. Once you've actually made it, then the women will chase you, and it'll be harder for them to destroy you.

>>34035921
i have heard it stated as 'women wait at the finish line and pick the winners'
>Once you've actually made it, then the women will chase you
i will agree to disagree on this one.

>>34036167
>i will agree to disagree on this one.
If you get to 1 million subs on Youtube, you will have random women emailing you wanting to fuck. This is real.

>>34034470
>men apparently only go equal if they don't find the woman that attractive
Not really.

The very least a woman should be is attractive, so a man being intimidated by a woman's attractiveness is making a fool out of himself. Attractiveness ain't shit. Having a trophy is only good to show your friends, but is it really a trophy if it requires constant maintenence and effort?

Its incredibly stupid to hold good looks in such high regard. Pretty women are the most entitled brats on the planet, why would you want one? To show your friends? To feel like a big man? Who gives a fuck? Get a mid that worships you and youll be treated like a king. Get a woman who thinks shes hot shit and suffer.

>>34038802
This is exactly why a girl should always immediately leave when the guy doesn't act like he needs to afford you. You're proving the point 100%. And you know men don't want their woman to think of him as mid, the "safe" option, well women want that same fate even less than your kind.

Hope you end up with a single mom who settles for you, because you deserve nothing more.

>>34039390
nta
>And you know men don't want their woman to think of him as mid, the "safe" option
not exactly, it''s enough if she doesn't speak at loud and I will be ok

>Hope you end up with a single mom who settles for you, because you deserve nothing more.
I would gladly fuck her and her daughter

>>34039399
>t.roon instantly starts whining
the rope awaits you kek.

>>34032206
moids unconditionally hate women, and this dictates all they do. moids only feel anger and horniness. the more they fel one, the more they feel the other. make of that what you will.

>>34032206
You are a retard and a bad person. I can not imagine besing as brainless as you. Please tell me you are a niggress.