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I had two dates today, 33 years old 6'2" kinda chubby rn, self-employed, Italo-spic swarthoid
First date was not planned, I met a Chinese shortstack a few days ago at a big industry party who is going to be in the states in my city through Christmas. We exchanged numbers on WhatsApp and she hit me up this morning saying she was going for a hike at a park. I decided to meet up with her because she's an Asian with 36"-24"-36" measurements at 5'1". We walked and talked about the businesses we're both building and ended up having lunch together (I paid but it was $40 bucks with drinks in w/e) before I drove her some so she could work on a business presentation she was giving Monday (bless her heart). I asked if she was free to meet again soon to "go over her presentation" and she agreed to meeting up for dinner tomorrow, and if not then Monday night to "celebrate".
My interpretation is that it went well. She was closing personal distance on her own, didn't mind me holding her hand and putting my hand around her hips, and holding hands while my hand's on her lap. I kissed her on the lips, she didn't stop me but kept her lips closed and pursed explaining that kissing in public isn't really big in Chinese culture. On the other hand, I've experienced these ESL mainland Chinese girls being too submissive to fight back against physical contact and just ghost after if they didn't like it.

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>>34046673
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Second date was planned. Woman a bit older than me I know through professional circles for a little while, older thirties Samoan in the National Guard who works in the defense industry. She started going out of her way to talk to me/associate with me recently so I decided to ask her for late lunch/drinks. Went dutch on lunch but I treated her to some drinks (it was a tasting flight of mead in a very cozy and intimate bar I know). Had great conversation and asked me a lot of deep questions, wouldn't stop raving about the bar I chose. Even went to my shop as a third location and she was amazed at what I was doing (I'm kind of a local rising star in industry).
My interpretation of this is that it didn't end well. She kept her distance, didn't "lean in" to close contact, would keep distant from me when we were alone together. I gave her a few cheeky compliments that were politely rebuffed with thank yous and "that's so sweet!" No chance for a kiss or intimate contact at all and I could tell she was consciously doing that.

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>>34046673
>>34046689
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Now for the real meat and potatoes. I'm obviously going to keep things going with the Chinese girl as much as I can, but should I bother one more try with the Samoan?
I'm a big boy, and I'm 90% sure at this point of my ability to clock when a woman isn't interested. She just didn't give me the signs and even though it felt like a date leading up to it, it felt less and less date like as it went on. On the other hand, even if things go well with the Chinese girl, she's going back to China on Christmas so I'll only get to plap those rice cakes for a little while. I'd really like to plap some Samoan hag buns for dessert after. I'm greedy like that. I also am just getting used to "adult dating" after spending my 20s in an LTR and getting used to the fact that grown adults usually don't jump each other's bones on the first date anymore. Maybe she was interested but just playing it safe because she was alone in a warehouse with a large man (she wanted to go though, mind you) and we know each other professionally.

Also now if Chinese girl is my only option, I'm gonna get weird and paranoid and maybe spoil it. If I had to pic one it'd be the Chinese girl because her ass goes fucking crazy insane, like hot damn I need to plap it bad

Remember if a woman doesn't like it isn't that she hates you it's just that her and a lot of people are brainwashed about dorks. You are smart and attractive and just need to find the right way to make a girl happy and there you go you got a girlfriend.

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just be a millionaire

>>34046701
Just keep going with the chinese girl obviously.
The samoan I would stop trying too much, if she wants it, let her show it. See if she keeps up the "trying to talk or associate with you thing" that will give you the answer on wether she's just reserved or you're not what she expected after the date.

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the dating apps are starting to blackpill me.
Women have to put 0 effort into it and still get to enjoy a buffet of dudes while men have to meticulously engineer their profile and every text because a woman will get turned off at the slightest mishap.

There was this chinese girl I went out with and we had a good time and she said she also liked it, but then when asking for a second date she said she was too busy which is just a polite rejection I think. So ever since, whenever alone, I have been talking out loud to myself in the most racist chinese accent there. It has almost become like a tick.
>Ooohhh, me so solly! Me have a rot of deadrine for work, no have time!
Thing is, she speaks perfect english.

The women I'm attracted to seem to think ahead way too much and only date for marriage. Problem is it doesn't work with my lifestyle (military). What do?

>>34047661
Yeah we got to meticulously engineer a shit ton of things as men. Then when women see it they put it in the trash.

>>34047853
they want your benefits

One of the hardest things you have to learn as a man is that you have to laugh and have fun even when people are crying, yelling, and taking offense at what you say. I'm not saying be an asshole, but this is what you kind of have to do at times. It's a risk you have to take in life.

>>34047661
>There was this chinese girl I went out with and we had a good time and she said she also liked it
Instead of getting resentful at her (which I understand) you should focus on analyzing what you did wrong, because you did do something wrong on that date. Men who are attractive will be attractive to almost all women, and men who are not attractive will be repulsive to almost all women. The goth girl, the corporate baddy, and the sorority girl will all generally find the same guys attractive even if they don't pursue a serious relationship with them.

I have a very high 1st date -> 2nd date conversion rate and generally I'm the one who gets bored of women and ends it. Almost all the times that I didn't get a second date, I can think of what I did wrong - last time I was too excited about the chick and it came off as over-eager and it turned her off despite both of us having a good time.

>day 4 of trying to attract a woman with huge feet

If things don't pick up for me in the next couple of days, I will have to resort to pounding the femboy that has been in my messages for a while.

Wtf do I say to women on dating apps? I'm finally getting matches but I'm super dry at texting and can't really think of anything interesting after "hello"

>>34046221
>be me
>21 old khhv
>do a shit ton of looksmaxxing
>start 2nd college degree
>law
>meet new women
>last Thursday
>last class of the day
>I subtle brag after doing the assignment the best in the whole group
>the teacher calls me a narcissist and says that I’m „hard”
>one of the girls in the class goes on to stare straight at my balls and giggling


alright. what now?

>>34046221
If's she's playing games
E.G. by ghosting you

Then single handedly the best way to respond is
>It's okay, I have a gf anyway lol. I just wanted to be friends but I guess you're no fun.

You say this even if she doesn't have a gf. That way, you are attacking her insecurities and playing with her emotions (reason she ghosted you in the first place was that she is emotionally immature), while turning the situation back around on her. Now, no matter what she says, because women will take the bait at what she perceives is a personal insult from a high value man, you can ghost her yourself. You will live in her head rent free, because you declared that all you wanted to do was use her nonchalantly.

Women love to play games, just to keep getting attention or their options open, but they forget that we can also play the same games back.

>>34049054
>she doesn't
you don't*

>>34048407
By going on dates with a girl, the only thing he's done wrong is putting her on a pedestal. Only nice guys go on dates.

>>34049054
Dark psychology ahh

>>34049054
This has to be bait

I need advice on approaching girls at the library. I'm pretty attractive, so I make eye contact with lots of girls at the library where they give me "the look" and sometimes one will sit near me, but I don't wanna risk being a bother and a creep so nothing ends up ever happening from my end. I'm tired of it though. The girl who sat near me today would have been perfect if I approached and things worked out.

Need some advice guys, there's a cute girl in the gym I see everyday she normally works out alone and is actually dedicated to lifting (goes everyday, trains proper strength stuff, puts up good numbers for a girl). Doesn't dress very slutty or anything so I guess she just likes working out for the love of the game.

She sees me everyday now and ive seen her looking over a couple times but never really spoken to her. I'm not super social in the gym like some other guys are, just talk to my regular couple of friends. Should I approach her and if so how would I do it without making it awkward? I don't really see her talking to people in the gym either and I'd like to make it natural rather than seeking her out to strike up a conversation.

I'm not awkward as a person but have shit game, though I'm tall, pretty good looking and in good shape. The gym basically my second home at this point so I don't wanna fuck it up, what's the move here guys

>>34048952
I've learned there are two types of women on dating apps:
1. Women who need to establish some banter and rapport before they decide to meet up with you
2. Women who are open to meeting with you quickly

Most women fall into bucket #2. Instead of saying "hello" just ask a simple question about something on their profile. Then ask them out after like 2-4 exchanges; it doesn't even have to be fast

Honestly though you just have to get used to the fact that most of your matches won't talk to you or if they do that it fizzles out. Women always have a lot of options and they typically focus on 1-3 men at most. That's why you might be having a conversation and then they suddenly stop responding - it's because they moved forward with the man they were most interested in. They will generally not put up with long conversations unless you are the man they are most interested in

>>34049491
It's not about what you say but about the vibe you give off. It's ok to be nervous too, they will find it endearing if you're cute. If you can just ask "what are you reading?" with a big smile, and they respond back with a nervous smile, then you are good to go. The conversation doesn't have to be smooth, it's just about the vibes you give off

That's actually the biggest thing I've learned, dates are more about the vibe you give off then the conversation itself. I used to try way too hard to be entertaining and it works sometimes but when I realized I just need to give off a confident vibe more than anything else, I relaxed and learned to be ok with pauses in the conversation and to let them drive the conversation too

I literally cannot date for the next 11 months. Damn. How to cope? I know it's not that long but I can't even TRY to date. Will a flashlight be enough to keep stuff under control?

>>34049498
I think it's better to build connection by really short interactions first. Eye contact smile just saying hello when you walk past stuff like that. Then just short conversations like lets say you're on the squat racks next to each other she just finished the set you make eye contact you say something like pretty good weight huh or make a joke about leg day idk. Dont be that guy that is trying to drag on a conversation too long while she's trying to do her set.

dating apps give you women who also have no life and don't meet guys in their regular life

the only way to actually meet women who are worth the time is to have a life

I will spend 2026 building a life, an interesting one.
Also, focusing on the actual skill of talking and attracting girls through cold approach

How i will do it:
>go to events about things I'm interested in by myself at first
>approach as many sets asx possible in those events and generally get to know people
>over time start building connection with people who do what I like
>all while building social proof, etc.

the concept I have down
the hard part will be finding enough events and things to do so that my game improves and my ability to find quality women improves as well

>>34050180
Pretty good plan, anon bro. Dating Apps are trash if you aren't a chad. Best thing to do is like you said, touch grass, improve yourself, social network, gain status/wealth. I see a lot of guys on here obsess over getting girls whilst doing nothing that will make women want them. Focus on yourself and girls will eventually notice if you've been putting in consistent hard work.

>>34049039
Oh yeah and sure and the moment you make some retarded joke you had the balls to say she dropped on you and dated some other guy and then blocked you on social media. Anon, who gives a fuck? Be yourself. Tell that retarded joke already as it is. If she likes the real you she'll laugh at the retarded joke. If she goes all hipster on it, she doesn't.

>>34049498
Just talk to her, gym bro. Even if it goes nowhere, you can get some experience small talking with girls.

>>34049491
Girls aren't interested in guys who hang out at a library. They like guys who are fit and have social status.

>>34047853
Go to the plethoras of strip clubs and bars around the base with the boys and pick up some slam pieces, if you just want hook-ups. Strippers and soldiers go together like peas and carrots. Plenty of young dumbs military thots on base too. They're all on tinder.

>>34046221
>Step 1: Be 6'4"
>Step 2: Be rich
>Step 3: Have a good face
>Step 4: Have zero physical abnormalities
>Step 5: Have zero hobbies, interests, or opinions that give her "the ick"
It's so easy bro!

>>34050297
Be happy being alone first, and then focus on dating a woman. If you are never happy being alone, you will never find happiness as the people coming and going in your life will drive you straight to misery.

I'm ugly yet still at my job and school were the only places I've ever had girls actually approach me once they got to know me. What other places can this happen? I'm done with school and there are no women at my job. It's not going to happen sitting in a library or cafe.

>>34050060
>Boo hoo I can't date for the next 11 months
I haven't had a gf in almost 4 years. You can handle it.

>>34050307
>then focus on dating a woman

Funny, you make it sound like that's something you can "focus" on. Any time a guy tries to "date" (a fictional term) they end up disappointed. Guys who get "dates" or laid, do not try, women just line up for them.

>>34050333
Quite interesting when you think about it. Anons on this board, countless posts on Plebbit, videos and help on the topic, yet very few touch on the fact that dates don't actually exist. I guess it's one of those things you have to be older to understand.

>>34050376
Actually I've been on dates before. Mostly restaurant dates though.

Reading the bottom entry linked in the op, which seems a lot more optimistic than the preceding links. Good, I like optimism. But it seems to claim that apps are the be-all-end-all of meeting women, and that a good profile is necessary, yet gives very little information on profile creation beyond "you need great photos" and "tailor to a specific market".
So do people here agree with that premise, and if so, what's the approach? I see articles often saying that people crave meet-cutes in public settings, but in practice all couples I know were apps, coworkers, or platonic friends for literal years. If you do choose online dating, I wonder, there must be some guidance on how to make yourself stand out. I'm willing to believe the average Joe puts in zero effort, okay, but the sheer volume means standing out is hard. Ever worth it to give the apps their blood money to promote to the front of the queue, or does a real standout never have to pay? That kind of thing.

>>34050390
Well, the thing is that single mothers looking for attention aren't necessarily a good examples of dates existing. Think logically, for every used up whore you took to a restaurant, Chad Thundercock right around the block got sexual that same night, never met the girl before but ended up in her bedroom and that's why they never got back to you.

>>34050441
Nah, I'd rather be the sexy redneck chad a girl wants to lay down a family with in the woods and live a peaceful lifestyle with. It's how I am as a Chad. Chicks sometimes ask if I'll get a truck for example. I'm actually building more on this personality, but that is how I am attractive. Though the personality I have is being fun-loving, but is annoying. Your's I bet is being practical but has a difficult time being patient.

>>34050070
I've been trying to desu but haven't been able to get a chance where it's a situation like that. Idk I feel like it's not that hard normally but im always with someone or she'll be doing something off on her own. Might try just saying hello in passing not just to her but all the other regulars in the gym as well and eventually work my way up to a more proper convo.

I think the other part of it is that I've always used to be the small guy in the gym but gotta realized I'm sorta jacked now so can get away with more gym bro stuff

>>34050414
If you read carefully, he admits that he’s pretty tall. He also admits that he’s into tattooed, pixie cut art hoes so suffice to say he wasn’t banging attractive girls.

>>34050414
First of all, go create a female profile on a dating app to scope out your competition. It’s dismal to say the least.

I’ve posted this many a time but your dating profile on an app has to be tailored to look like something you’d see in a magazine. No bullshit. The marketing industry figured this shit out 70 years ago, and that’s a multibillion dollar industry almost exclusively catering to women.

You don’t have to be model good looking. It’s really simple. First of all, don’t be fat. Yeah, sorry, if you’re fat you are gonna fail at dating apps.

Second, your pics have to be staged. You are creating an advertisement.

Have one action shot; if you are white collar then have a picture of you walking with a briefcase or laptop bag or something, with an expression of determination.

Second picture should be an outdoor shot of you doing something sporty, hiking is fine, golf, frisbee football, something. That’s your chance to show off the bod. Don’t do the gym selfies because that’s cringe and everyone does them.

Third pic should be you in casual repose, let them see your eyes. Maybe dressed up if that’s your style but at least a collared shirt to let women know you aren’t a total ogre.

Do not do gym selfies or pictures of you holding a fucking fish. If you are bald, take off the fucking hat. Once again, if you are fat, don’t bother.

Your profile verbiage should be short and sweet. A slogan really. Don’t give to much and don’t flood them with words because you have exactly 6 seconds before they move on to the next person.

If you don’t believe me, peruse through some magazines and look at the ads. Those guys there are not super hot most of the time, but they sell the product, and they sell it with a slogan. YOU are the product. Sell your self.

>>34050246
I'm like an 8.5/10 tho

But I do lack everything else, aside from intellect

>>34050180
>dating apps give you women who also have no life and don't meet guys in their regular life
That's not true at all, I have multiple female friends and have gone on dates with multiple women who have rich social lives with lots of friends. The thing is most people tend to have a core friend group that doesn't change much, and even when they hold parties where people invite a friend-of-a-friend, it's not a whole lot of new people. Also dating people within your circle is complicated.

Dating apps are just another avenue for them.

Are femcels real? If so, how do I meet one?

>>34050223
what??

what fucking joke?

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Not exactly trying to get a girl but I don't know where else to ask.
I've been talking for only an hour to this Chinese girl on HelloTalk who lives in Japan and she's already hinting at wanting to accompany me to a trip to both Japan and her hometown in China. She's acting unusually enthusiastic and it's weirding me out. Do Chinese people really do this with strangers or is this some weird catfish? She sent some pics and videos she took of cherry blossoms in her area so I think she's legit, but it's still really weird. It's worth mentioning that she's talking as if we were friends and isn't forcing some lovey dovey languange.

>>34050918
Samefagging to say that I'm convinced the CCP is somehow behind this.

>>34050918
Bro you're talking to a bot

>>34050936
That's what I suspected at first but she talks in very broken English, and in a very non-bot way if that makes sense. Also her name is a clever wordplay using Japanese and French. Whatever the hell force of nature AI they would have created for this would make the best Western LLM look like a fucking sissy bitch.

>>34050918
Another Chinese girl explicitly told me she wanted me to become her bf. Is Xi going to harvest my organs or something? I just wanted to learn basic Chinese bros

OK I need some tips on picking up hot babes at concerts/festivals/raves/etc. I'll be honest, I could not give less of a fuck about the actual events themselves since I find most modern music and the faggots involved annoying as fuck and would be happy for them to choke on some cyanide pills however these kinds of gatherings are often a magnet for super hot girls that I want to have sex with and I won't get laid just sitting at home. I don't care too much about getting a girlfriend (though an FWB arrangement would be nice) so I don't think me being a generally "boring" guy who prefers staying indoors to going out on dull as fuck nature trips that people do to look "cool" will be much of an issue. I just want to fuck these sluts.
>inb4 you need to have a social life and do things you enjoy to attract girls
No I fucking don't, I have seen enough of complete losers getting plenty of quality pussy by being thirsty dipshits to know that me being a friendless shut-in KHV who just wants ass is not an obstacle. I have absolutely zero interest in being friends with a bunch of pretentious fuckwits who pretend like they aren't gossipy backstabbing cunts. I just want the quickest way to getting laid even if that involves going to all these shitty events and doing hiking/biking/dancing/whatever to get close to attractive girls.

>>34051303
Go to riddim shows if you are in the US, the girls there are total sluts. But yeah I'm these events it's all about basic social proof and looking attractive.

I look like I'm 14 in my mid twenties. I'm not ugly by any means, but the only girls who give me the look are teenagers (no I'm not a pedo) and older women. What do. Women my age never give me the look. I am pretty attractive though.

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Men are checking out of society at an alarming rate

>>34051374
Jokes on you. I've been advancing in career so rapidly. I don't know how poor people exist in America.

>>34051303
Dance
Make eye contact
Walk up
Dance
Makeout
Go home together

Should I start using condoms to help me last longer during sex?

>>34051334
I'll give you the same advice people gave to me, which is what ended up happening: date the youngin's that you can for now, the girls freshly out of high school (or even months away from graduating, I've done that), and as you age, that's when your range increases, and by the time you're in your late 20s and early 30s, you'll be grateful for your youthful looks because it'll prolong your spree of dating young women and girls.

>How to get girls
Seeing this general exists is fucking depressing.
I'm gonna close this board and never come back.