So I'm trying to quit porn or PMO. It's going pretty well and I don't really get an urge to consume porn. I feel generally less depressed and now i masturbate with just my imagination. The only problem I'm having is that I just keep thinking of my exgirlfriend... I'm wondering if it would be healthier for my brain to just watch porn instead...
>>34075516>I just keep thinking of my exgirlfriendThinking about your ex is normal, so long as you aren't obsessing over her or masturbating to thoughts of her.
>>34075551well i only really ejaculate thinking of her...
>>34075551>>34075577or gay sex
>>34075577that's fine honestly but maybe find a new gf
>>34075639I don't think i can do that, i dont even know how i got her to begin with. I'm not really sure i want to have a girlfriend again...
>>34075516I think masturbasting to your ex is still less harnful than porn
>>34075686I miss her...We still talk too. It's more of a "situationship" now i guess..
>>34075516>I just keep thinking of my exgirlfriend.Probably healthier so long as you're not grtting obessed with her.Also, could you give me some advice? I'm trying to quit masturbating for religious reasons and I want to take the first step of quiting porn.
>>34075577>well i only really ejaculate thinking of her...This is not healthy behaviour.>>34075639Bounceback is not healthy either.
>>34075874well i have not stopped masturbating.I just blocked twitter, moved all porn to an external hard drive and avoid getting on my computer unless it is to play games or a specific task.I kind of figured out that i use porn to fight boredom.>>34075886Then what do i do... i love to cum... but if i dont use porn or think of the one person i loved... what do i do?
>>34075874I haven't finished it, or even made it very far but if you look up easy peasy it might help. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZktxO6adTnIThere is a PDF which I think that video links to in the caption.Best of luck.
>>34075874>I'm trying to quit masturbating for religious reasons and I want to take the first step of quiting porn.God made u to be in union with him. when u fap, you are turning your back to that union, ur very purpose. imagine if you get in a marriage but cant resist cheating, you get forgiven because they love you but you constantly make them sad and hurt. you have to stop hurting them (God). so if you wanna do it for religious reasons perhaps strengthen your clarity/faith so you understand the seriousness of sin. also dont feel hopelessly guilty, God love u
>>34075874>>34079080Genuine question and this has caused me to struggle with my faith very much lately; I totally understand that porn and masturbation are not healthy for you. Totally get it. But if Christians are gonna make the argument to stop viewing porn/masturbating because it's unhealthy, why stop there? What about daily nicotine, alcohol, fast food, weed? What about social media or video games? If we're taking a health approach to this issue why do get so loud about wankin but nobody bats an eye if you smoke or drink daily, and that's without negotiation way worse for you over time. You'll never hear discussion about that but if a young man wants some anime butt now it's a degenerate satanic thing.
Look at these fucking Chad's, talking about having girlfriends and shit. Get off my website you normalniggers
>>34075516No one gives a shit. Sorry if you expected something different from /adv/. Here's to your thread, soon to be archived.
I feel like it is perfectly ok to think about your girlfriend. But I would continue your recovery path.
>>34075902I would fully delete all the porn you have. I would be hard to go cold turkey but I feel like it’s best to fully get rid of the hardrive and your temptations will go away over time.
There is absolutely no way to get over an ex if you’re still holding out hope that she’ll take you back. If you are thinking about her you have to stop. If you are masturbating to her you have to stop. If you are talking to her you have to stop.It’s over. Even if it’s not over, it’s over. Once a relationship breaks, there’s basically no chance of a full recovery. The issues that caused it to break don’t magically fix themselves and history repeats itself.Move on. Masturbate to porn if you need to. Find a new girl to obsess over. Stop thinking about your ex.
>>34075516you thinking about your exgf is the syndrome. pron is just some other thing forget about it you dont even get an urge
>Buy an orthodox icon of Jesus.>Place it really close to your bed (mine is on the wall right where my head goes).>Know that everyday you will have to pray in front of Christ before sleep and when you wake up.>Start studying the concept of sin, read the Philokalia everyday.>Make your main goal to stop being a slave to your primal desires like a fucking monkey and start search victory over your flesh.>Literally never masturbates again.As soon as you start making progress, the enemy will start planting excuses in your mind, you will keep reasoning some bullshit until you go back to the bad habits. The only thing healthy is having total control over your own desires, and you can't do that without having a clear and higher goal than just doing nofap because you want super powers.The primitive Christians didn't go to the fucking desert for no reason, Orthodox Christianity has 2000 years of documented struggle against the flesh, there is literally no better way of learning how to do it if not through Christ.
>>34075874Read the post above and get saved. Kyrie Eleison.
>>34079121You don't know Christianity enough if you think we are only complaining about porn. All of the things you listed is considered passions of the world that can lead to sin.We have 2000 years of monastic life and teachings of how all those things you listed can lead to sin and must be abandoned to reach salvation or even Theosis.Again, you need to study more of what really is Christianity, learn about the Early Church Fathers and their teachings, the monks and the life of the saints. You got a really wrong understanding of Christianity.
>>34079849I know porn is not literally the only grievance and that everything I listed would be considered passions. But my point is that what I see currently in society is this hyperfixation on porn and nothing else. Perhaps i'm with a bad crowd. But I really don't get why everything listed as passions (greed, lust, envy, wrath etc) are automatically attributed to demons and they're just bad by default. I totally understand that the passions are largely misuses of desires God has given us, but why these uses or temptations themselves are negative by default I don't understand
>>34080216Here is the definition of Sin in the Philokalia Glossaire.It is everything that makes you "miss the mark" or the goal. And the mark is salvation, God, death to the world and to the flesh.So in the same way that if i want to be a body builder i need to abandon some habits, practices to reach the goal, if my goal is purification of the soul i need to abstain myself from everything that can lead me away of that goal.All of the things listed are from the world, from a lower vibration that leads to separation, ignorance, disconection, etc. And the divine vibration of God is love, union, kindness, conection, etc.The whole point of the message of Christ is the purification of the human soul, is being free from the human condition and state of spiritual poorness and primal instincts that lead us to cause and feel all this pain and confusion.Now, the fact that the main discussion today is about pornography is because this is the biggest sin of this modern age. Sin is not about the action in a vacuum, but the implications of its practice and harm in the search for purification of the soul.Do you think higher vibration beings, enlightened humans like Buddah, hindu monks and the saints reached that level by watching porn, living a normal life in the world, getting angry and fighting with people? All of them got to the same process of struggle against the flesh in their own ways. This is common spiritual sense.Also, the demons for the most part are our own mind. Of course, there is low vibration and evil beings in the spiritual world that benefit from our failure, but it all happens through suggestions, thoughts, feelings, negative beliefs etc.I really recommend you to study more about the logic behind all these concepts, all of it has a reason. We have 2000 years of people struggling against the weakness of the mind and the flesh, even more if you count the knowledge from hindu and buddist monks.Consume Orthodox materials.
Got get a hooker and I'm serious. You just need some rebound poon.
>>34080216http://www.orthodoxriver.org/static/philokalia/glossary-of-the-philokalia/If you want a fast read just to understand more of the concepts, here is the link to the Philokalia Glossary, it is part of the first book which i really recommend you to read.The Philokalia is a collection of texts written between the 4th and the 15th centuries by spiritual masters of the Orthodox Christian tradition.If you are more of a video guy, just search whatever topic and add an "orthodox" after on Youtube."Roots of Faith" and "Roots of Orthodoxy" are good channels to start.This video is a great introduction to the faith:https://youtu.be/Sc27-dmJ_4w?si=rcLkU9Migl14kN_A
>>34075516My lesbian friend said before masturbating with porn was good at first, but after a while it feels like you don't even really orgasm. I kind of agree after conducting some experiments.
>>34080216>hyperfixation on pornits just current society. masturbation and fornication is even worse. sex in general is a more important matter to the human condition (sociologically) than some disordered passion like getting drunk.>why these uses or temptations themselves are negative by default in short, they lead to evil and go against the greatest commandment https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Commandment
>>34080553Why do you retards always have to appeal to Jesus and the Bible? If something is true it should be self evident, and not rely on religious dogma. You want to convert people to your way of thinking, demonstrate why something is bad and don’t just quote Jesus.
>>34080586man sorry to say youre not so bright1. religion afaik must contain some dogma epistemologically. also the appeal to the bible is something you can expect a Christian to do?? there is nothing wrong with that2. how do you not see that vices lead to evil and should be avoided regardless of the theology
>>34080600Vices are by definition bad. Whether or not consuming porn is a vice is up to the person consuming it, really. Saying “Jesus wouldn’t like porn” or “fornication is a sin” or whatever else is just repeating dogma. Dogma isn’t a convincing argument for anything. If you don’t believe in the dogma then the argument itself falls completely on its face.Again, truth is self evident. I think you attempted to argue this way with your second point but as mentioned you’re simply stating definitions and not actually arguing anything about porn consumption.
>>34080612>argue this way with your second pointi believe earlier you said this is what makes you struggle with faith and the other anon said he doesnt want to masturbate for religious reasons. so i was under the impression this is a religious conversation. youre right tho, if its with nonreligious people or of another religion, the dogma doesnt help at all. but also, like you said, truth is self evident. ultimately, something like christianity is making a moral statement based on (i think you can agree here) basic universal morals. stuff like the 10 commandments and loving your neighbour is not hard to understand and live even if youre not religious or from another culture. >Whether or not consuming porn is a vice is up to the person consuming it, reallynot quite up to the person. its just that with porn there are a few more steps to understanding why its bad compared to something like violence. violence is direct and any human can instantly understand why its bad. porn is more indirect and distorts sex, something meant to be loving and intimate between someone else, into lust and egotism (pleasure for myself). and lust is always bad because you are using or objectifying another person for your own wants and those wants are not even virtuous. its also a form of self abuse (say if its anime porn and no one else was involved) because it ruins your own dignityto help you understand more, imagine the opposite which is wholesomeness and sharing intimacy with someone else, like a bond/connection. you view yourself, others, and girls as genuine people and not NPCs. not something to be used and exploited by others or even your own imagination since this is where evil starts in this case (lustful fantasy). it may feel very foreign since the opposite is so normalized in our society. like a fish not knowing its in water. but this is what true moral good looks like. loving and respecting others (regardless of whatever religious dogma is added).
>>34080612The "Jesus wouldn’t like porn" doesn't exist in a vacuum. It is just a short form of the advice, but of course it has an explanation like anon >>34080669 showed you. Also, nobody said that in here without argumentation.Every sin has an explanation on why it is bad and documented history on their effect in the human life and society.These concepts of acts that leads to corruption of the individual exist before any non religious modern explanation. Have you ever considered that the Dogma and tradition is based on self evident truth or you are just making a straw man argument to criticize religion?You are assuming Christians just say whatever the fuck is a sin without context or logic behind it because you don't actually know the Christian faith. The guy clearly asked how to stop watching porn for religious reasons, of course people are going to include religious arguments.>>Why do you retards always have to appeal to Jesus and the BibleMaybe because the teachings in the Bible are based on self evident truths that perfectly understand human nature and weaknesses? Have you ever read the Bible before to ask this retarded question?
