So, im taking advantage that this side if anonymous and finally speak about my thoughts, I genuinely believe that sex is overrated and in part im scared that i might be right. I never had any experiences with man apart of some gross touches that I didn't wanted, but i still wanted to experiment a little bit since all of my friends had lost their virginity at this point of life and im the only one that seems to be miserable, I took a freaking make up brush and just used it, it was small so it genuinely didn't felt like nothing, I know i can't use anything bigger because it won't fit but it genuinely felt just so lame that im wondering why anyone in general would like that, it doesn't give you pleasure, so why tf people find that so amazing that after they have it they can't just stop? Either im totally sick or the society has been lying to me and sex is in fact not good at all.
Just stop listening to your friends and what they are doing. When your time comes you will find a boy and it will come naturally and then we will talk again. It's just cringe to read what you said. You need to stimulate your thoughts, maybe have some fantasies to turn you a bit on, don't just mechanically do it like us boys.
>>34080461Thanks, I genuinely dont get how that must work I do have fantasies and stuff but is hard to me just to think about them, wish it could be just as easy like how guys do it, but i guess is true that maybe I just need to wait for a guy that I like.
>>34080453Sex is an expression, a medium, a physical communication of love. Sex is only as enjoyable as the love you share with the person you are having sex with. Some people feel they can separate love from sex and those people may claim to enjoy thrills of sex that have nothing to do woth love only bodily pleasure, but such people are not using sex for love they are using another person’s body to masturbate with but somewhere along the lines they decided to pretend it was sex. Sex is sacred and those who exploit it eventually have to face the long walk of perpetual emptiness some day, typically when their body gets old. Good luck to them.
>>34080453You need to fantasize or something, like you need to be turned on. It"ll make it feel much better and also allow you to use larger objects down there so you can actually feel something
>>34080469I do get that normally having sex with someone that you love (from what I've heard from other people) is one of the best experiences ever, but im way far from finding someone that I truly love right now, so maybe I do need someone to love and experience to actually know why everyone sees it as a big deal, still that might not happen probably till I turn 30.
>>34080477I dont think they could fit, but thanks a lot of the advice I now feel motivated enough to at least try to enjoy it.
>>34080469Do you honestly treat sex with your woman like it’s a sacred ritual not just a way to blow off some steam? In that case do you do only missionary or do you try different things? Sacred = boring imo
>>34080490>so maybe I do need someone to love and experience to actually know why everyone sees it as a big deal, still that might not happen probably till I turn 30.Forget trying to know why people see it as a big deal. I’ll be honest with you, 90% people who talk about it and make a big deal of it only talk about it so loudly and proudly because they have nothing else going for their personalities. That’s all they have, just that. Boring people, sad ones too. They just chatter about it to fit in and seem cool and likable and desirable. They want to feel like Mr or Mrs popular so they tell everyone how popular they are in the sex game lol. They’re idiot, most of them grow out of that phase by age 21 - 25. Some stay stuck in that mindset eternally and die as teen brained losers. Pay it no mind.Is sex overrated? Yes, but only because clucking chickens and egotists who never could shut up about it to bolster their egos were the ones who made it overrated. Truthfully sex is great. If I had to put it on a list of top 100 things you’ll ever do in your entire life, it’s easily at #7 or #8. It’s up there but it’s not among the greatest things you can be doing. And yes I factored in both “mind blowing lust filled sex” & “heart melting love filled love making sex” both. Still only hits #7 or #8 in the ranks in my honest opinion. The more you try to force yourself to enjoy it, the less you will enjoy it. Because sex feels shit when it becomes a chore or a task. Sex is about play, fun, and connection.
>>34080501>Do you honestly treat sex with your woman like it’s a sacred ritual not just a way to blow off some steam?Yes.>In that case do you do only missionary or do you try different things?I only do missionary with the lights turned off and no kissing only hand holding. Just kidding lmao of course there’s more to do than just missionary. Missionary, sideways, doggy, cowgirl, reverse cowgirl, full nelson, mating press, whichever is fine. Still can be sacred, the sex position does not make it less sacred.
>>34080506Ok now Im curious what ranks higher
>>34080506That's what I was thinking, I never get why do people really talk about it as an amazing experience and brag about it, it just makes me want to do it quickly to kill my curiosity, but I believe im way too negative about it and at this point I just want to experience it because everyone pressures me to do it, which is very wrong, thanks for your advice im glad to know that in fact is not like people say it is.
>>34080514>Ok now Im curious what ranks higherAight, so cue number 1 which is gonna be obvious>#1 Discovering and/or renewing your relationship to GodYeah yeah predictable I know since I’m mr sacred sex guy but i mean this one, i was militant atheist my whole life then when God happened it changed everything.>#2 Witnessing the birth of your first childNo one, not even doctors who deliver babies for a living, can ever say they felt fully prepared for the feeling they got when seeing their own child born>#3 Marrying the person you chose to loveIts not the wedding that hits hard, its actually a restful relief and the beginning of something new at the same time, extremely impactful and lofe defining>#4 Ego deathAs I said wasnt always a god believer. I got into alternative ways of living, ego death is extremely life altering and reality breaking. Most commonly induced by psychedelics can happen from discipline or life events. >#5 Learning and mastering a skill. any skillThis is a huge way to affirm your own power of will and mastery never ends it keeps going you never reach the top but when you hit the milestone where you can say you are proficient at something you deliberately pursued, its a strong hit.>#6: Caring for something or someone without expectation of return. Growing a plant, raising a puppy or kitten, helping a friend, giving alms to the poor there’s a distinct contentment in knowing others are doing okay and playing a small part of the reason why they can do okay if you can help.
>>34080497I guess I don't know how big your makeup brush handle is, but if you're aroused you should be wet and relaxed enough to comfortable fit a penis-sized object in there
You're right. It's a lie to get you to put out since it does feel good for men and having sex give men a huge ego and social boost unlike women who just become defiled and worthless.As for me, having sex ruined my (solo) sex life. It looks pleasurable in erotic media made for men but the real thing is so fucking overwhelming I was genuinely shocked when I did it. I can no longer masturbate to porn since I know it feels like someone poking you in the armpit and the woman probably can't focus on even that since she's busy wiggling and doing kegels and making faces and noises to arouse the guy further.
>>34080531#3 is more like putting a muzzle on yourself, it’s basically giving up your freedom and independence, and for what? Marriage is a scam
>>34080792>overwhelming*underwhelming.Also, it does not get better with time or experience. I'm in the small minority of women who can actually achieve orgasm through penetration but a dick can literally never compete with a makeup brush, the in-out movement does nothing since the g-spot needs to be massaged the same way you'd rub your clit. No woman masturbates by slowly whacking some object against her clit and that is what vaginal sex feels like at its best.
>>34080453if only you knew how bad things really areoff-topic thread, thugh
>>34080792Thanks for sharing your point of view this really helps me since that was what exactly i felt, it doesn't feel great nor erotic or exciting is just uncomfortable, and it makes me feel even more scare think about how painful it must been if i actually do it with a real man
>>34080453Sex = fuck . The lust is blind, temptation strong, the sin is sweet, but last not long. Sin cause suffer you will regret so say no to sin it is not too late yet.General recommendation about fucking (sex): never ever do that, at no circumstances. ...so when you do fuck, it will be wonderful specially when you are madly in love. Only in a wedlock, behind closed doors in total darkness and silence. You have to be spiritually connected with your spouse, with full focus on her and not on a pleasure of diddle genitals. If you spill some seed from self fullness it is not a big deal, but if you milk your balls to the last drop for pleasure, then you will get bald and divorced for sure. Your relationship last as long as you can last . There is habitual voluntary sperm retention technique by deep in hail squize your anus and slow exhale. for less then a second 0,15 - 0,45 of the second. Never pump, never finish, try never ejaculate ideal would be only when you make a child , healthy ones in a 7 - 8 days. Kisses and hugs intimacy and spiritual connection every day or few times a day require to keep your relationship healthy and strong. How about fuck for fun just because you can? Jew promotes sex will destroy your life for sure. Porn is a Jewish sex bomb. Cots to produce but given for free to watch because it is destructive weapon. I deal would be avoid even watch movies that imply romanized fucking .Fuck is animal urge, that ends relationship and kills natural drive for life, to go see places, travel, work, create. I you can't resist temptation you will kill lust for life and become self pleasure seeking faggot burden to society hated by women and men. Faggots are open for anything Booze drugs fuck all possible ways and rock'n'role . Role is always down . Easy way is down and up is challenging, but rewording in the long run. >Sex must be overrated I would say fuck in under rated by destructive power that sex = fuck does.
>>34080802>#3 is more like putting a muzzle on yourself, it’s basically giving up your freedom and independence, and for what? Marriage is a scamAll of the things you can do as an independent you can also do as a married man. You can keep and continue all of the same hobbies, skills, interests, activities. The only ‘freedom’ that people worry about losing is the freedom to play the field, to fuck around and play ding dong ditch pump & dump. And if that is what you call ‘freedom’ then I don’t think you’ve really known what it’s like to truly be free. Maybe thats not the type of guy you are, not saying you specifically, thats just the most common complaint I hear from the most common type of anti marriage guys. The other type who dislike marriage are men who got severely abused by women and are scared to marry one. Marriage isn’t a muzzle, it’s construction site. It does not decrease your life, it’s expands on it. All it takes is choose the a decent woman and it’s a done deal.
>>34080881Yeah, but you never truly know who you’re dealing with. A woman can literally entrap you with her fake image as long as she gives you her pussy and whatever you want from her and then after the marriage you can finally see her true face. Usually not so nice anymore. Nagging, demanding, annoying, fussy, irritable. If that’s what you want from life then good luck mate
>>34080453Secret to have life long family, is to be free from animal urge and get connected by humane intimacy full of respect and mutual appreciation. Fucking or sex is like as more you scratch as more it itching and in a process you destroy your life. There for it is wise to get youth married as early as possible and instruct how to deal with destructive animal urge to fuck (sex) safely. Sex (fuck) is extremely dangerous and screw many peoples life.'You don't want to sex (fuck) around and find out 'Trust peoples wisdom when you find out on your own it will be too late.
>>34080896>Yeah, but you never truly know who you’re dealing with. A woman can literally entrap you with her fake image as long as she gives you her pussy and whatever you want from herI used to believe this too. Truth is, you can know exactly who you are dealing with within the first 30 minutes or even less before the girl even has a chance to finish her meal at the table with you. The downside to this skill is you only learn it after being burned several times in a baptism of fire. Once you’ve got foresight and intuition, not a single woman can escape your discernment afterwards. That’s when you know you are ready as a man to marry and become a husband, and if you do not think or feel you’re at that point yet, that’s okay because that day will happen to you soon, happens at any time. >her fake image>as long as she gives you her pussyOne thing you’ll come to learn about women is they’re really not entirely different to us men. We’re on opposite realms, but part of the same coin. That fake image shit? True. Yknow why they do it? To get you to love them and like them. They’re scared of not being wanted by the guy they allowed to fuck them. They wanted to not disappoint him. And as it is with men, they wanted her pussy because he wanted to feel capable, useful, needed, craved, strong and powerful a stallion, a stud. And he wants to fuck so he can still feel potent because then he feels like he can do anything, for himself and for his girl and maybe even family. And when the man feels anxious or scared or alone or hurt, he puts on the fake image just like the woman does and pretends to be stubborn strong stoic macho man in the hopes she’ll embrace him again. Both sides play each other like fools.If you want to see a woman’s true face, the directions are in her eyes. Not in her panties, mate.
>>34080501>blow off some steamYou will blow off your family life, 30 - 40 you will became sexless, lust-less walking zombie Your GF will leave you , wife divorce you , you will get bald with out lust for life, I can promise that, and bet money on ...1 ejaculation = ½ liter blood lost, usually restored in a highest priority, in expanse of least vital hair from your head. <-- cause of baldness Jerk off for Jews watch people with out pens on internet , or just KYS There is limited amount of shots you have got.
>>34080924Since you put marriage on your list above I assume you got married. How did you know she’s the one worth marrying? What did you see in her that others didn’t have? Have you ever regretted your decision?
>>34080941>How did you know she’s the one worth marrying? Her actions let me know right away, we were just dating when my parent suddenly died, I put on a fake face of trying to be strong, she had a extremely corpo job that would never let her take time off. She never once stood up to her employers. She immediately told her job to go fuck itself and took the time off anyway and immediately went to be by my side even though I didnt ask her to, she just knew. She lay with me for days, cooked meals even ones like from childhood, loved me and supported me the whole way. That’s exactly when I knew I’d wound up in a relationship to an angel. The choice to save up for that engagement right was the easiest and clearest choice ive ever made in my entire life.>What did you see in her that others didn’t have?Piety. Dutifulness, Selflessness, Nurturing, and extremely intelligent, modest in her wisdom.
>>34080964She got you man. How long are you married now? Did she already show you some other character traits you didn’t see before putting a wedding ring on her finger ?
>>34080980>How long are you married now? Did she already show you some other character traits you didn’t see before putting a wedding ring on her finger ?Several years now. She showed all the character traits, ever single one and it was the first time I felt I could do likewise. The good the bad and the ugly traits, completely able to let my guard down and I hadn't been able to do that with a girl since an early teen. I honestly thought I was going to spend my entire life living like a stone coffin on the inside never able to show anyone my soul. I damn near almost forgot I had one for a long time. That's why I understand why some men fear women though such men will never in a million years dare to use that word 'fear' but it's true. And perhaps even most women don't know it but emotionally speaking women can be fucking terrifying to a man in places that man forgot he even had. As weak and brittle and fragile as women are physically and as easily as men could kill them, no one really talks about the fact that women have the ability to absolutely murder a man's soul if she wants to, if she happened to be that kind of wicked girl, she could. Women can't kill our bodies, but our souls they sure can.
>>34081034So you basically changed your whole being for her. That’s what I understand as letting your guard down. Do you still feel like yourself or did you give up and live up to her expectations only? Even if I could admit that you truly love her, I don’t understand why did you need a paper to prove it? What did the marriage give to you? All I see about it is giving and giving up but what did you actually gain from marrying the woman? What’s the difference?
>>34081063>So you basically changed your whole being for her. That’s what I understand as letting your guard downNo, when I had my guard up was when I changed my being, blotted it out, lived as half-dead. Letting it down wasn't changing my whole being, it was returning to being whole again. And it wasn't for her, it was thanks to her. If I was a big dumb lion with a thorn in my paw she was the lady that approached and plucked it out. Make sense?>Do you still feel like yourself or did you give up and live up to her expectations only?I still feel as myself only now I have more of it, like I said good marriage doesn't shrink your life, it expands it. I choose to live up to our expectations not just mine or hers, both of our shared goals and wishes. >I don’t understand why did you need a paper to prove it?It's not to prove it. It's to celebrate it.>What did the marriage give to you?Purpose, direction.>what did you actually gain from marrying the woman?The woman herself, my wife just as she gained me.>What's the difference?Action is what's different. You can live as if you were married but not for years or decades, but all you'll have to back it up is words, thoughts, feelings. The ritual of marriage is a series of actions, and actions are the final piece of the puzzle for what a man is made of. One part thought one part feeling one part action. When you commit to marriage you commit to the actions of the bond, giving the woman the last piece of who you are and she gives her life to you as well. And in doing so life changes and evolves, it's a when you know you know thing
>>340804532 virgins getting married and living their whole lives in complete innocence , loyalty and love ( following Christ s teaching in Orthodoxy ) will have the best sex experience by far
>>34080531Boring list. Learning organising synthesising the world and systemising it and stomping your competition is the answer, sex is boring cuz it gets old once you've learned all its ins and outs, but conquering and cultivating this world is far more intoxicatingly triumphant. Whether that be sex or not, but in the end, it's to do with people and every little thing about them, not just dick in vagina playtime for the quintillionth time, the natural world as a whole and man-made constructions surrounding it to bend it to our will and harmonise with it
>>34080792Indeed it's this huge performative ordeal just to bust a cheap nut and show off and spread FOMO en masse. Sex is supposed to be about genetically engineering a child that mogs your generation, not this retarded le sexual ecstasy 24 7 orgasm type bullshit. That's why the west has fallen
>>34080453you experiment lacked a lot of vital components like size and flexibility, human touch and a lot of hormones rushing through the bodybut by your outlook on the whole thing I'm assuming you're not getting anything out of the real deal eitherdon't worry some people come broken like you, it's bound to happen, we're too many replicas of a single couple, not even religiously speaking, all of our DNA can be traced to mostly a single couple if we go too far back.I've personally have had exes that broke up with me because they hated my guts and still call me at 2am to meet and fuck because sex was that good for themso there is that, normal people with normal bodies do get enjoyment from sex.
>>34081145I completely disagree with you but I also recognise the logic and wisdom for your point of view. If we were spooky occultists, you’d be the left hand to my right. All I’ll point out about your idealism there is:>conquering and cultivating this world is far more intoxicatingly triumphantYou’re not wrong about the intoxication and triumphant echo a man can hear back from it. The problem though is just like what you said of sex, even the conquering of the world and cultivation of it gets old. We know this collectively to be certain, because empires always fall every time as sure as they start. Man gets complacent, weak, bored, that triumphant rally cry always dims to a hoarse whisper. Nothing new under the sun I’m afraid. If you want a much grander prize than the world, set your sights on the heavens is all I’ll say. Because then the triumph becomes eternal.
>>34080868Hard to read ESL but yeah>kills natural drive for life, to go see places, travel, work, create. I you can't resist temptation you will kill lust for life and become self pleasure seeking faggot burden to society hated by women and men.And that yes it feels much better when it's reserved then released for special occasion/special someone/something unique, not just done because le need to pleasure myself instead of deal with reality escapism for the infinith time endless cycle. It's better when it's an expression of love/appreciation rather than a release of retarded expectations of how sex is supposed to be the big pleasure unga bungaAnd porn is a whole other distortion, as we've noticed already, how erotic material elevates and pedestalises sex only for most to be underwhelmed and realise it's fakeness. Only way to be free is to try for yourself and debunk all the myths
>>34081195Have you considered maybe your exes were the broken ones in the brain who needed some kinda self esteem cope and sexed you to experience that fleeting temporary cope of "feeling loved"/wanted. Instead of channeling that energy to find a better partner for themselves
>>34081200Sight is set on the heavens, but only we can build it. One can never conquer and cultivate the world for there are endless things to discover, maybe it's sex, maybe it's just a delicious meal after a long bout of hunger and your memory defaults to a particular long-lost palate cuisine craving and you set out to pursue it and then you rediscover that particular harmony of flavour and textures that you thought was gone forever, and that can be excruciatingly more happy than the generic clone experiences of be young couple have sex get married pipeline cookie cutter thing
>>34081351>maybe it's just a delicious meal after a long bout of hunger and your memory defaults to a particular long-lost palate cuisine craving and you set out to pursue it and then you rediscover that particular harmony of flavour and textures that you thought was gone forever, and that can be excruciatingly more happy than the generic clone experiences of be young couple have sex get married pipeline cookie cutter thingAnd now you know why old wives tales were not just playful beliefs, they were actual snippets of sorcery. “The way to a man’s heart; through his stomach”.All a woman has to do to win yours is create that harmony of flavour and textures that you thought was gone forever, making you excruciatingly happy. Then all of a sudden there’s a fuckin’ Mrs. Real A$s niga by your side kek
>>34081387I don't exclude that a woman can be the conduit, but I'd emphasise it's not the only or even best conduit. In the end, the self is the only one who knows what's going on internally, hence the only one who can bring that to the surface, and make shit happen. A woman/other humans can be of help, or catalysts, but it starts with the self and mustering it up/autonomous will/drive. Independence, with other humans acting as complements, rather than codependency/depending on other humans. Subtle distinctionBut yes, sometimes small pleasures/little things can't be discounted, they can exceed big triumphant pleasures, it's all very personalised, and I enjoy going against the grain/reflexive contrarianism for its own novelty and birth of new ideas/innovationsIt's all just part of the world, and there's more to discover, more and more and more, but a (woman/partner) besides you can be of great benefit to (help you discover more of the world/grant sufficient stability to (begin/conduct) exploring the world)So many IF/OR statements I have to use brackets now
>>34080453Were you in love with the makeup brush? Did you it say all the right things, call you beautiful, kiss your neck for half an hour straight, caress you all over, make you feel overwhelmed with desire, and then prove to be a wonderful combination of gentleness and strength?No? Good, because men generally don't do any of that shit either. Your experience was exactly what sex with a man is generally like.However, sex with the *right* man - that's something else entirely. For a woman, about 90% of what makes sex good is what's happening in her brain rather than what's happening to her body. When you meet a man you have the right feelings for, and who helps you to feel the way you want to feel - that's a whole different thing.
>>34080453Because they are slaves
