>>34109096
Don’t bother, because there’s nothing wrong with objectification. You’re a man, and your brain is masculine. Masculine brain objectifies everything not just women. We objectify nature, animals, architecture, history, philosophy, psychology, you name it we have already objectified it and made an mentalized ideal, concept or abstraction out of it. And the reason we do this as men is because we are optic-based thinkers. We see things, we process it, we objectify it. When we were in primitive tribal mode, we saw a beast in the wild we objectify it as ‘danger’. We saw a deer, or a rabbit, we objectify it as ‘food’. And when man saw a fertile and curvy breeding age woman he saw ‘sex’. This is normal and even healthy. And believe me when you go long term or marry a woman, she outright begs you to ‘objectify’ her more if you stop.

This whole idea of ‘objectification’ comes from the mouths of ugly bitter women who were angry that they weren’t popular in school and didnt go to prom.

Your problem isn’t objectification your problem is you devote too much energy to whores. That woman you posted is a whore who took that image for attention because she is a whore. She is stealing your energy through space-time through the form of a .jpg. You are letting your mind be ruled by a whore who doesn’t even know you. That’s gay and you should stop that.

>>34109140
>That’s gay and you should stop that.
By stopping you mean doing nofap and/or semen retention? It's true that I'm giving away too much energy to girls who don't pay attention to me or wouldn't be into me in general and it can get exhausting

>>34109149
>By stopping you mean doing nofap and/or semen retention?
No because that doesn’t work. That only sets you up for relapse and failure. It’s a low IQ strat that defeats itself every time because going NoFap means you are forced into a cycle of mentally telling yourself not to fap to porn and all that means is you think of porn by association.

Example: I tell you NOT to think of a black cat.
Guess what you do automatically, you think of a black cat.
Now imagine telling yourself ‘Do NOT fap, do NOT look at porn.’ Your brain gets forced to think of porn or lust provoking mental imagery. It doesnt work.

What you do instead is you allow the lustful energy in, but you cheat the devil by spending that energy on something else, something productive, something nonsexual. If you wanna think of boobies fine go ahead, do it, but do it while using your actions for productivity like doing a chore or housework or at a job or filing taxes or doing a hobby whatever the hell would make your life improve. Repurpose the energy is what I’m saying.

>>34109196
Okay so I should focus on doing something more productive so I have less time to spend on jerking off. You said ''cheat the devil'' did you mean that metaphorically or literally? Sometimes I question if I'm being subjected to something otherworldly

>>34109210
>You said ''cheat the devil'' did you mean that metaphorically or literally? Sometimes I question if I'm being subjected to something otherworldly.
I meant it both ways. Cheat the devil by letting the snake crawl into your domain, then cut it off at the head. That means allow temptation but don’t act on temptation. Just take temptation and repurpose it.

>>34109210
>>34109149
Please disregard every word the psychotic incel you are talking to has said. The only time objectification is bad is when you are unable to see women as anything other than objects. Objectification can be great in intimate relationships but the issue is that people are not JUST objects. People are lots of things simultaneously. You can be attracted to a woman and lust after her physical form but its important you also be able to respect her judgement, be interested in her ideas, view her as a lover, a friend, a confidant, a partner, a leader, a mother etc., A healthy view of women is one in which women can fulfill a multitude of roles in your mind, a sexual object being just one of those roles. I mean, it makes sense doesn't it? It works the same way for women. For example, a woman viewing you as a provider isn't necessarily a bad thing unless she ONLY views you as a provider. That in and of itself is a form of objectification. The point is that you should be able to appreciate a woman and, for that matter, anybody you have a relationship with for all of their traits, not just the ones you find physically attractive.

>>34109506
>Psychotic incel
>Proceeds to spout common sense as if it ran contrary to what I said
Just because I didn't speak on the obvious doesn't mean I was saying "only objectify women and nothing more" you disingenuous mouth-piece.

Also
>View her as a leader
Yeah good luck with that. Women don't want to lead the man, they are repulsed by that idea. They call it "having to mother my own boyfriend", turns them off.

>>34109523
>Just because I didn't speak on the obvious doesn't mean I was saying "only objectify women and nothing more" you disingenuous mouth-piece.
No you just rambled off a bunch of psychotic nonsense about whores and space time and objectification being "natural" despite appealing to nature literally being a logical fallacy.

>Yeah good luck with that. Women don't want to lead the man, they are repulsed by that idea.
I think you're extremely young and inexperienced and you have no clue what actualized, adult women want. There's more than one kind of leadership in a relationship. It isn't a binary follower vs. leader dynamic. There's a push and pull to everything, especially once you start living with someone and you literally have to let them lead in some areas of your lives in order for you both to function. You'd know this if you were older than 17 and you'd ever had a long term relationship with an adult woman before.

>>34109547
NTA but what are some good places to meet good women? Good as in virtuous and trustworthy. I've had a lot of negative experiences but it's because my lack of judgement

>>34109547
I'm married with kids you creepy feminized cretin. What about you? And yes the woman in OP's image is a whore. What else would you call it when a woman deliberates in taking picture of her giant tits for the internet to see?

>>34109140
Retarded. Females AND males "objectify" if you're gonna call basic reasoning "objectifying"

Then calling the woman a whore for objectifying herself lmao. So apparently males should objectify but females should just turn their brains off because playing the moid femoid game labels her a oh no so evil whore!!1! Like bitch you made the game like this don't blame the players at that point. You're just as at fault here for dialling up the hoeflation of the game. Don't promote objectification then chastise objectification just because it's done in a way where the femoid gains things instead of you

>>34109610
She is a whore. Because being a whore is an action, there is nothing wrong with objectification as a thought or a perception. There is everything wrong in actioning this. That's why being a whore or a whoremonger is degenerate. And you'd know the difference between thoughts vs. actions of you didn't live online out of 4chan

>>34109621
Oh ok so yes just think perverted pedophile thoughts it's all good just thoughts you didn't action it. You realise they are interrelated and that the action comes from the thoughts initiating it? So if moids are all, objectifying in their thoughts, they are promoting femoids objectifying themselves in their actions, which then promotes moids to objectify in their actions as well. Y'see? Otherwise what use is objectifying "in thoughts and perception" but not "actioned reality"? Why even draw this line of moral purity for? You're all whores and whoremongers inside, why draw some arbitrary line and assign moral superiority and inferiority all of a sudden, where some objectifying is a-ok and others is "whoredom"?

Moids objectify her tits, she objectifies her tits too. Same level of whoredom

>>34109650
>Oh ok so yes just think perverted pedophile thoughts it's all good just thoughts you didn't action it. You realise they are interrelated and that the action comes from the thoughts initiating it?

Thoughts aren't real, and certainly not a precipitation of action. Because your moronic statement there just condemned people with OCD for example or anyone with intrusive thoughts as criminals or perverts. Congratulations "Real a$s" nigga you just justified the notion of 'thought crime'. What happened to being 'real'?

Being a whore is about selling your sex and your body for money. That image of that woman in OP's image is a woman who does exactly that. If a woman were to think about doing this, it would not make her a whore. If she actually does it, that's a whore. That's reality in a nutshell.

Unless you're a neurotic idiot who believes that thoughts are reality and you cannot separate fantasy from real life and you think thought crimes exist somehow.

>>34109672
They are perverts, or people with perverted thoughts - however you want to define "pervert" since it's obviously a derogatory word that's meaning/connotation shifts with time considering the change in sexual liberties/liberation of society

And yes, just because someone has OCD doesn't mean all their thoughts are excused now

The woman isn't selling her body. How is it implied there was a transaction involved? It's just a JPG floating around that anons liked and saved and reposted. Ie, they objectified, she objectified, everyone did their due thing

Obviously thought crimes don't really exist, but what's the point of a thought if it isn't to be actioned? What's the point of the pedo thoughts or intrusive thoughts if they're just meant to be suppressed? If objectification is also just meant to be suppressed, why promote it then? Pick one or the other

>>34109692
A pervert is someone whose actions are perverted. All perverts have perverted thoughts, but not everyone with perverted thoughts are perverts.

I don't know why I have to explain this to you, do you seriously struggle to decouple identity from thoughts?

>Doesn't mean all of their thoughts are excused now
Lmao you think you or anyone else is in a position to excuse thoughts as if thoughts were a trespass or an offense? You're fucking insane. They're thoughts you idiot.

>What's the point of a thought if it isn't to be actioned?
What's the point of a fart if there is no shit afterwards? Who cares? Farts are farts and shits are shits. Thoughts are thoughts and actions are actions. Thoughts are so worthless and non-related to reality and you should know this because you'd only need to recognise how many fantasists have thoughts of grandeur or obsessions of ruminating fantasies of 'making it' or being a millionaire and fucking all the bitches, yet despite all their thoughts their actions show they prefer rotting in a basement.

>If objectification is meant to be suppressed, why promote it then?
Because objectification is harmless in the realm of thought and perception. Like that other midwit anon postured about, there's more to appreciate in a woman than just objectification, which is obvious to anyone no clue why that whiner got on his soapbox about it.

So it follows, it's okay to objectify in thought or perception since it's an attractor that pulls you to a woman. Once you got the woman you let your actions do the talking, and I like to have good faith most men's actions are not fucking retarded.

>>34109716
Every action comes from thoughts, are you seriously discounting the power of thoughts as useless and completely removed from identity? Jesus. If someone has homicidal or suicidal thoughts, oh, doesn't matter, they're just thoughts! Nothing's wrong, thoughts are thoughts and have nothing to do with actions! Don't worry about diving deeper into the thoughts and investigating or unwrangling them, just don't act them out it's all good!

>it's okay to objectify in thought or perception since it's an attractor that pulls you to a woman. Once you got the woman you let your actions do the talking, and I like to have good faith most men's actions are not fucking retarded.
And maybe women want to be the attractor pulling men they want? Oh but this is no good for you, since all of a sudden you have competition now, time to yell whore and be done with it

>>34109764
But seriously, society's Madonna whore complex just worsens the simultaneous whore worship and hatred. A whores a whore, nothing spectacular and nothing that criminal either

>>34109780
And I agree that op should channel his "sexual attraction" (why are we even using the word "objectification") to benefit his life ie find actual relationship rather than goon to dumb pics and uselessly waste it away

The moralisation and whore name-calling and treating females like an entirely different species is just Hella off

>>34109764
>Every action comes from thoughts, are you seriously discounting the power of thoughts as useless and completely removed from identity?
No they don't, actions come from the body, thoughts come from the mind. Yes there's cross communication it's not a setup where thoughts are required for most actions.

Suicidal ideation ≠ suicide attempt btw. And you should be thankful most people aren't idiots who conflate those two, because if they did, you'd get institutionalised just for admitting you feel suicidal. Thankfully that's not what happens in reality, attempts must be made before it's considered urgent.

>And maybe women want to be the attractor pulling men they want? Oh but this is no good for you, since all of a sudden you have competition now, time to yell whore and be done with it.
Oh my fuck, just reverse search the woman, she's got an OF and gets paid for 'sex work' it's a whore. Why are you dense? Competition in what? I'm not laying on my back taking pictures of my cock to sell for cash and have no aspirations for that.
>>34109813
>Treating females like an entirely different species
See this is why I know you live online because if you think a pic of a whore is representative of every woman then you been gooning too much. Most women don't post their tits for cash. But the ones that do are prolific online, that's why us two idiots are looking at a whore's portfolio on this thread. Women can be ladies and women can be whores. That woman ain't a lady, that's a whore. I'm not moralising just calling a spade a spade. Same as I'd call a man fixing a pipe a plumber or a woman baking a cake s baker.

>>34109834
Thoughts are required for all actions, the degree of thinking may differ but thought is still behind every action no matter how ill thought out

Competition as in the "whore" has more suitors compared to the "lady" in this day n age. I don't think that hoe is representative of every woman, but there's a kind of dynamic these days where whore-ism is actually advantageous and it comes down to the moid enablers rather than purely just the femoid's fault. Women are that way because that's what men demand. Even the whole objectification thing is pretty much acknowledging that this is what men demand. But then y'all go hush hush rather than just admitting it, always trying to tread some thin line of morality and purity

>>34110282>Women are that way because that's what men demand. Even the whole objectification thing is pretty much acknowledging that this is what men demand.

Then that either makes women terrible liars, or, glorified children with close to zero agency and no accountability. "It's not my fault I am a whore! I only did this because you would feel excited by it!".

>>34110320
>Then that either makes women terrible liars, or, glorified children with close to zero agency and no accountability.
I don't know if you're like 14 or you just hate women so much you pretend to not understand really simple dynamics but the concept of struggling to rectify what you want with what other people want from you is not weird. This entire website is dedicated to men oscillating between being who they want to be and being who they think other people want them to be. Everyone wants to feel desired and included but on the other hand we also have to square that with our own desires, some of which run contrary to our goals of being accepted by the world around us. Boiling this psychosocial dynamic down to "oh they're just glorified children" means you are either clinically retarded or you're just pretending to be retarded because it helps you push the inane redpill/incel narrative about women being lesser for not being immune to the social pressures that this entire fucking website is dedicated to complaining about not being able to successfully navigate.

>>34110320
It's case by case, some women are v stupid, gullible, some are cunning. Same can be said that men are liars, egging females to be whore/objectifying then shortly discarding them or doing a 180 and using it against them. Making it damned if you do damned if you don't scenario. In the end, it's a back and forth but it's done in a terrible way that's become this current day retardation

>>34110333
Your reading comprehension is atrocious when I already spelled out the precontext for my position in earlier posts. Meaning you're not engaging with what I have to say, you are engaging with an archetype of what I have to say that you've spawned in your own head like some kind of autistic 'tism where you sandbag in your own head.

Notice how I make a distinction between women who are normal Vs women who are whores? Notice how I responded to that anon in context of taking his own generalising statement 'women are this way because'... And I only used his generalisation to work against itself, not that I actually shared it?

Do you even fucking read or am I wasting my time typing to you? This isn't a Psychosocial dynamic. This is about the fact that for some reason a lot of spineless men cannot have the balls to acknowledge that women are accountable for their own social disgraces whenever that occurs, such as women who choose to be a whore.

Is it wrong to find women sexy? No. Is it wrong for women to want to be seen as sexy? No. Should that mean your daughter or wife be validated when they want to sell their pussy for $$$ or parade it in public spaces like the internet? Fuck no.

Anyway stop fixating on trying to gauge people's ages online. If you're an autist your ass is mentally stunted at birth so give it up

>>34110544
Yeah you got a good point about gullibility and naivety. Beg's the question though, what's the point of the age of consent then? Should we raise that to make sure that every woman, even the mentally deficient ones who are age 25 yet have the emotional capacity of a 12 year old have some cover? I'm joking of course. But my point is yeah boo hoo sometimes men manipulate women into doing whore shit. Sometimes women do that to men and believe me that happens, especially in teens, try denying a a teen girl your virginity as a teen boy and watch the poisonous vitriolic scorn pour forth lmao. Just because this happens though, that some people are too retarded to have their own personal boundaries, doesn't mean they were less accountable in their own failure to be decent. If anything makes them twice as accountable. One for social decency and two for failing to stand up for themselves. They're supposedly adults, apparently adults are children now

>>34110569
The femoid is accountable yes but I'm saying that moids are accountable as well as femoids for creating this dynamic. And what when the femoid is even rewarded for this whorish-ness? Like all the
>Should that mean your daughter or wife be validated when they want to sell their pussy for $$$ or parade it in public spaces like the internet? Fuck no.
That is what's happening, flaunting your "prowess"/"goods" or whatever, which is basically whore-ishness, gives you a heap of social clout AND big $$ for some

>>34109096
It involves separating your social and economic self. Notionally it involves seeing women as equal people, while also being comfortable expressing feelings of attraction. This is easier said than done, however, because our culture attaches notions of value to various aspects of romantic relationships, romanticizing the replicating capitalist relations of labor exploitation within them. Like, men seek out a woman so that she can be a source of unpaid labor that keeps raises children and keeps the home in order, reflecting the surplus value extraction that he himself experiences from the person he is employed by. It's all intersectional, and it involves swallowing some very difficult red pills about capitalism and the purpose of misogyny.
Asking this question is the first step, keep asking such questions.
>>34109140
Come on man, our sexual urges do not have to override our rational thought. Stop selling us short, we are better than beasts.
The woman in that image is conforming to the hypersexualized image of a woman that our culture promotes. She's doing everything that she was told is right. You are right to be uncomfortable with this, but it's not the woman herself that is to blame, but rather the system that forced her to conform to a specific ideal image of a woman.
She too can also be above this, but she falls victim to the same trap you do in shaming her and calling for the objectification of women. A little solidarity would go a long way in this situation.

>>34110595
>The femoid is accountable yes but I'm saying that moids are accountable as well as femoids for creating this dynamic
Alright that's fair and I can't argue with that, my whole gripe was I think there's two ways a 'moid' can be accountable for the social ill; by being a patron aka simp for said whore, or be refusing to acknowledge that women who do this are more cunning than they think and they're not these princesses in need of defending, that they are in need of critique.

>That is what's happening, flaunting your "prowess"/"goods" or whatever.
Yeah and I think it's alright to flaunt that within the correct social boundary, in the bedroom or at least for the aim of winning a relationship. A man who wears cologne and pops a button to show off collar bone for his hot date that's fine. A woman deliberately wearing a low cut top to deliberately show cleavage to show off to the man she is going on a date with? A-okay. Showing off obscene amounts to a hoard of strangers for easy money or social clout? Whore pilled lol.

>>3411061
>Stop selling us short, we are better than beasts.
Yes, but even when we transcend the beast, it doesn't matter, the beast remains. And that doesn't mean anything bad in fact it means it's best to accept that and work with it and not against it, which is why my advise to OP was to allow it, but channel it. Out the beast in a leash and control where it's allowed to roam in your life. The alternative is to suppress it, bury your head in the sand until eventually that beast starts to put you on a leash. Which is where lust problems occur and compulsions develop and addictions.
>but rather the system that forced her to conform to a specific ideal image of a woman.
No it didn't. I get where you're coming from but part of being an adult is being responsible for your own mind. Unless a gooner Gestapo rolled out to her door and physically forced her to whore out at gunpoint, the fact remains the woman who chooses whoredom made the choice.

>>34110613
>>34110636
Also don't think I am so harsh in my outlook. I give solidarity, and it's when a woman chooses to stop acting like a whore, or when a man chooses to stop being a coomer, then I no longer consider either as a whore or a coomer. I firmly believe women who grow past the lifestyle are no longer whores just as guys who stop being gooners are no longer gooners, that's my solidarity

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>>34109096
My lust died the second I wrote the average feminine nature on paper and stratified it according to its moral nature. I am now convinced that the only thing you are supposed to do as a soul, as a man is to wrestle your own flesh into submission, find God and develop a prosperous and altruistic relationship with our creator in order to escape this prison. 99% of women are half humans with no souls, everything they strive for and enjoy is ultimately evil in its nature. The very core of femininity is absolute evil that seeks to devour good men with the same glee and joy youd get from stomping out some dorky kids sand castle.

Once I realized why women are the way they are, it's like I've finally been enlightened as to why hermit monks become hermits in the first place. It's all a lie, its all a joke. This planet is a prison, women are archons who genuinely don't give a fuck about anything but they have to pretend to have interests beyond themselves just so men dont become suspicious and notice the huge disparity in the nature of each gender. It's not a complimentary nature, it's completely one-sided and parasitic. The entire role of women is to entrap a mans life force and pull another soul onto this false reality incarnation trap. Thats all they were designed to do. Satan takes a hold of their hivemind vessels with comedic ease and no resistance. They are all beyond corrupt, they fall apart once a month and endure pain unless they fulfill their ill-natured task. There is nothing in this world worth striving for besides Gods love. There is absolutely NOTHING in this world that is worth your place in heaven.

>>34110657
Are you the same guy who spams the
"Muh Eros muh men are retreating into action of remembrance. Gestation." Shit?

>>34109096
haha great pic xD

>>34109096
>How can I stop seeing them as objects?
By deciding to.

>>34109096

Their bodies are objects of desire - nature willed it. If you're attractive you will have access to their breasts and will be happy.
Women see you as utilitarian items - you either have some worth or not. If not they wouldn't raise a single finger if you were fed to the lions.

>>34110551
Nta but Im very curious to know how do you treat your wife and how does she behave. Did she behave differently before relationship with you? You sound like you don’t have much respect for women and it kinda worries me to know there is at least that one woman around you. Making sure shes fine Ig?

>>34110759
She's fine and she behaves fine. If you want me to help you dispel any notions of worry in your head: I have never physically, verbally, mentally, sexually or emotionally abused a woman, including but not limited to my wife, my last relationships and especially not my mother or female relations. Before the relationship with me she behaved differently, she was worse off, coping with damages she picked up in a previous relationship. Now she is more secure, confident, and content. And that's not because of me, I'm not a nice guy hero, but I'm not an insufferable prick either. She got better because of her own efforts all she needed was stability, and she helped me in lots of ways too. I respect the women I love anon, I do not automatically pay respect to strangers just because they're women, that's what it means to have boundaries. It's okay to have strong empathy but empathy without boundaries leads to self ruin eventually.

>>34110780
Im glad to hear that anon. Seems she has healed and is ready to embrace her feminine self. What kind of damage did she pick up before your marriage and what did she do to overcome it?

>>34110820
That's a whole story but it's not relevant here, what's relevant is the OP topic about what to do about lust and objectifying thoughts. I'll reiterate it: There's absolutely nothing wrong with owning and accepting these things, because those steps are necessary in making sure thoughts never bleed into action. You and I are already on the same page: Objectifying a woman in actualised reality through action is bad. I'm saying if a man wants to avoid doing that the best way is to acknowledge thoughts ≠ action. This then frees up enough self control to make sure compulsions or immature thoughts never spill out into reality and negatively impact the girl or oneself. That's how it's done in my book, and what's more, for every time I've ever heard of or seen a case of a man being exploitative of a woman, it's always been the same pattern: the silly mother fucker couldn't separate fantasy from reality, and allowed every one of his thoughts to dictate his actions.