If you want to kys because of some mental health issue, there are plenty of mental health hotlines you can call to talk to someone and they'll give you medical treatment over the phone. You can also go to an ER.What are you supposed to do if you want to kys, not because of a mental health issue, but because of a philosophical disagreement about the way the world works? Is there some kind of "philosophy hotline" you can call?
if you had reasoned that suicide was preferable to continued existence and vetted this idea and really intellectually believed it you would just kill yourself, why would you consult someone to try to talk you out of it? i think what you’re experiencing is pathological, a LOT of depressed people think their suicidal thoughts are logically gathered, this is negatively biased thinking and it’s well understood. even if you are convinced of a metaphysical pessimism, suicide does not follow. schopenhauer, cioran, and zapffe did not commit suicide
>>34169002Maybe there's a flaw in my logic somewhere. >Cioran did not commit suicideYeah, and I never really understood why.>"Why don't I commit suicide? Because I am as sick of death as I am of life."
>>34169036How much of Cioran did you read? His writings weren't meant to give advice for the reader. His opinion on suicide remains:>Because my theory of suicide is that one shouldn't kill oneself, one should make use of this idea in order to put up with life. So, it's something else, but they've attacked me, saying this fellow makes the argument for suicide and doesn't do it himself. But I haven't made such an argument. I say that we have only this recourse in life, that the only consolation is that we can quit this life when we want to. So, it's a positive idea. Christianity is guilty of leading a campaign against this idea. One should say to people, "If you find life unbearable, tell yourself, 'Well, I can give it up when I want to."' One should live by way of this idea of suicide. It's in Syllogismes where I wrote that sentence: "Without the idea of suicide, I would have killed myself from the start." (Excerpt from Ciorans interview with Jason Weiss)To be able to use this idea positively you have to keep "meditating" on it. That is what Cioran did in his books.
>>34169118NtaI do think about it like this.But it's hard to motivate yourself to accomplish long term goals if you're also thinking "but I might kill myself so what's the point in putting in all this effort" You know what I think I answered my own question I think I have given up I just haven't actually done it yet out of guilt. Have a nice day.
>>34169125Why do you want to achieve long term goals? I mean I am not really opposed to suicide. If you are just suffering, suicide is valid. Nothing is really lost. Life doesn't hold as much value as people make it out to be.
>>34169141People seem to think having them is motivating. Realistically like I said I've decided I'm just half assedly trying to understand what people who don't want to kill themselves say works for them.
>>34169118>How much of Cioran did you read?Not all that much desu, but I guess I don't really understand him very well. Some of the things he said seem to contradict each other.>"is it not inelegant to abandon a world which has so willingly put itself at the service of our melancholy?"Sounds like he agrees that the world is a terrible place, but we shouldn't off ourselves, because the world embraces our dislike of it? That just seems like a pointless reason to continue suffering through life when you don't want to.
>>34167437People who are mentally ill often don't understand that they are mentally ill.
>>34169248I'm not sure if any therapists/medical professionals are legally allowed to agree with this, but the truth is, not everyone who wants to die is mentally ill.
>>34169146I have the feeling that most people out there haven't understood the fact that life ends soon. They may have heard it, they may say it, but they don't really grasp it. When I started reading self-help slop death was mentioned many times. I thought I understood it, but I couldn't have been more wrong. I still wanted to make money and to be productive because I unconsciously still thought that it would somehow make me fulfilled and happy. I try to look at people from whom I can be sure that they understood. Cioran, Bernhard, Ligotti, etc. In most cases it ends in some form of not thinking. Like some mystics that thought not acting would result in God being able to act through you. Like some Taoists letting themselves flow.
>>34169174>Some of the things he said seem to contradict each other.They don't only seem to do that, they actually do. Cioran himself admits it:>I only write this kind of stuff, because explaining bores me terribly. That's why I say when I've written aphorisms it's that I've sunk back into fatigue, why bother. And so, the aphorism is scorned by "serious" people, the professors look down upon it. When they read a book of aphorisms, they say, "Oh, look what this fellow said ten pages back, now he's saying the contrary. He's not serious." Me, I can put two aphorisms that are contradictory right next to each other. Aphorisms are also momentary truths. They're not decrees. And I could tell you in nearly every case why I wrote this or that phrase, and when. It's always set in motion by an encounter, an incident, a fit of temper, but they all have a cause. It's not at all gratuitousCioran isn't a rationalist. He is a skeptic. He rejects any kind of system. His books are written as some form of therapy for himself. Kinda like "If you write the problem down clearly, then the matter is half solved". He wrote down any of his doubts and consideration to have a better time to think about it. He doesn't try to teach you a thought-system. Its more like you are able to take a look inside all the doubts, however irrational they may be, of a french insomniac faggot. >If I were to be totally sincere, I would say that I do not know why I live and why I do not stop living. The answer probably lies in the irrational character of life which maintains itself without reason.
>>34169284Sounds like we probably shouldn't take any advice from him then.
>>34169283>In most cases it ends in some form of not thinking.That's a conclusion I've come to as well. In order to be content you have to just not think about the things that would otherwise bother you. That's gotten me to tomorrow thus far but it doesn't fulfill me. I am empty and I am tired.
