If a woman regularly texts you nonstop for 7 hours every day, does that mean she likes you

>>34171458
Yes.

A caveat - that could be a form of lovebombing. Those kinds of people come on strong, then ABRUPTLY go cold the minute you show interest.

Then again, all women are guilty of similar behavior. They'll laugh at your shitty jokes until you're in their clutches, and all of a sudden you're getting nagged to hell and back. The difference between lovebombers and ordinary women is that lovebombers will hit eject as soon as you reciprocate, whereas ordinary women will still throw you a bone in between tedious domestic assignments.

>>34169143
thanks anon,
but uh no i phrased that wrong, i was paying for everything on the dates, by chipping in i meant she was struggling financially apparently expected some help with that, even though she never voiced that.

>>34171507
I dealt with a woman like this and it's ruined my view of relationships. Without saying therapy, what can I do to recover? She stripped me clean and I can't stop thinking about her. I thoroughly despise her.

what do you even get out of this

they're not even paying you its a bad deal

you ever hook up with a girl just to test the limits of your abilities?

Is using Match.com a good idea?

I finally gave up on women.

Should I bother courting a woman if I'm not initially interested?
She is hitting on me, but I'm hobestly more interested in another girl. Is giving this girl who's hitting in me a chance just dooned to failure?

>>34173402
do it
test the limits of your abilities

Should I keep trying to date white women as a brown man? I couldn't even get a single one to reply to me on the apps. I know it's bad for men out there, but I'm pretty sure it shouldn't be that bad, because I see most men getting at least dates. There's nothing in my profile to improve upon either, so I'm out of ideas.

>>34173402
Give her a chance. The girl you're interested in might not like you back.

I'm on eHarmony right now and so many of my best matches are smokers. And it doesn't feel right to try to get into a relationship with a girl but tell her that she has to quit smoking if she wants to be with me.

>>34171388
How can I begin to become worthy of a good women?
My life is all over the please right now.

>>34174514
>*place* right now.

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>>34173689
Just stick with your own kind, brother
White women who date non-white men are the absolute worst

how do i get back with my ex if I dumped her a week ago?

>>34174561
>Just stick with your own kind, brother
Americans?

>>34174561
I live in a homogenous white country though. I don't know anyone of "my kind" outside of my family. I live in a big city and sometimes see non-white women on apps, but they're rare. I wish I could move, but it's just not realistic in the foreseeable future. Not sure if there's any advice to give in this case other than to wait for circumstances to change.

>>34174633
Honestly I'm in a similar situation
Either I could move somewhere like a bigger city with a larger dating pool but much shittier to live or sit and wait for better prospects
But right now it's screwed because I'm totally uninterested in white women
Just the stereotype of interracial dating is dead on, I want nothing to do with it

Best I could say is go back to the "home country" to look for a wife, if that's available

>>34171388
North American women literally do not exist in public, let alone do I have anything to say to them, what is a better country?

How do you match with Asian women on hinge? After I took some photos I pull a match with a cute white girl every now and then but never a cute Asian

>>34174704
I might look into passport broing for "my home country". Plane tickets from here to there are pretty cheap I guess. Thanks and good luck with your own situation.

You all, the giga-chad is not a strong man but is instead a successful man.

Is this some kind of PUA general? Are you gonna tell me some crap like my looks and height don't matter and the secret to getting women is I have to re-unbecome the actor who is playing the false version of my past self? Lol

>>34174996
Ahm, no sweaty, you need to develop a personality, take a shower, dress nice and touch grass and maybe then you'll get a gf. :)

>>34175011
What skin and eye color should I have?

>>34175015
White skin w/ A10 eyes

>>34171644
Time. That's the only cure. You cannot under any circumstances pick at it. Every friendly hello, every happy new year text, etc is reopening the wound and setting you back.

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im 27 khhv
girl from childhood still has a crush on me (let's say she's a butterface)
ex that she's jealous of is keeping me on an emotional BPD leash (she looks good but clearly she has destroyed my mental)
both girls are incredibly long distance
is any of this worth it or should I go back to approaching girls in person

>>34171388
Is it good idea to go on a speed dating to get over fear of women

>>34175127
yes, it does work

Let's go date some mean bitches.

How do I ask a girl out that's always in a large group of friends (male and female friends group)? Im at college.

Weird background: she told a mutual friend that she finds me attractive months ago but not to tell me. He let it slip last month, and I asked him to ask her if she was still interested. She said that shr would say yes if I asked her out but it would have to be in person and after exams (our exams end at the end of this month). How do I play this? I'm very inexperienced with women. I've never spoken to her btw

>>34175853
>wait until exams are over
>ask her out
>???
>profit
seems very straightforward to me

>>34175857
I've been told women don't make men they're truly attracted to wait.

>>34175861
Brother, she's never even spoken to you. Surprised she even said what she said to be honest.

>>34175857
Also, how soon after exams should I wait to not seem desperate?

>>34175873
Overthinking
Just ask when you see her.

>>34175880
That'll be right after our last exam. Asking her out then seems super desperate

Is there a point on leaving compliments on a woman's picture on Bumble? I feel like such a dumbass even considering it, because the first barrier of entry for dating anyone is physical attraction. I would think if she thinks you are cute, you will match anyway. I really don't feel like spending a minute or two on each potential match to think of a stupid line to say to some broad in long boots sipping on a cosmo.

Types of relationships ranked:

Tier S (mythical)
>LTR with virgin
Tier A
>rotation of tinder whores
Tier B
>hagmaxxing/sugar mommy
Tier C
>affairs
>FWBs
>hook ups
Tier D
>escorts
Tier E
>sex dolls
Tier F (just...why?)
>LTR with non virgin (average western woman)
>>34176416
I have never seen uglier, more stuck up women in any app other than bumble, though the user base is fairly small so it's easy to get matches without boosting

>>34176416
I think it makes you stand out a bit. I'd do it, but if it's hard to come up with something just like and move on. Or have a slightly unrelated canned compliment/question ready for those cases.
>if she thinks you are cute, you will match anyway
Sure, and gigachad probably has women giving him superlikes and commenting his pics too.
At the same time some women probably think 'swipes are lazy, if he actually likes me he'd write something on my pic'.

Hey tret guy from the last thread. Any possible answers? How do I even meet women if they don't exist in my immediate circles?

Also yeah, i don't think I'm willing to be the creep at a yoga class.

I don't drink though so I can't just go to a bar or something.

>>34176700
Step out of your comfort zone and do something where there's women.

>>34176700
running club
>i don't drink
well in that case try your luck at one of your local churches

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Been trying to get a FWB back, and could use some perspective.

Basically we haven't seen each other since April, but still keep in touch. She'll send me memes or text me the tea in her life. If I hit her up, she'll always respond. But whenever I try to set something up, she gets evasive - never an outright rejection, but there's always an excuse.

I've always felt that as long as a girl's responsive, there's a chance. Am I wrong about that?

>>34171388
Where do you find women if you don't drink booze or don't like noisy places? I don't like bars, concerts, clubs or similar such places, you can't even talk to women there. Also I am an autismo so, its tricky for me to engage with ladies.

So I'm wondering if i fucked up. I got this chicks number and waited like a day to ask her out, she responds a couple hours later asking when, i give her a date and then she doesn't respond for like a day and half telling me that she is going to be out of state. I left her on read after that. I guess my question is if i should message her back or not. Also both times she responded she apologized saying she didn't see the messages.

>>34171388
Czeched. Guys I’ve been getting eyed up and down and checked out from milfs walking by me at the gym. How do I act on this?

>>34177071
I don't think you fucked up, but it seems like she isn't interested. I would give her the benefit of the doubt and try to set something up one more time. If she gives you another excuse, take your L and move on.

How are you supposed to operate in a state of abundance when you're not a millionaire?
I've attracted hotties before, dated one once, had long term relationships, but when you meet someone you REALLY like, she's not just any pussy. She's MY pussy that fits me perfect. She was hard to find because she could have been hot and uninteresting or interesting but not hot, but because she's hot and interesting. So I have to put on an act that she could be replaced at any time? I have to make her feel dread?
She cant be replaced. I got numbers from girls when I was with her and went out with those girls after she dumped me and they were so fucking boring and ugly in comparison.
I literally can't operate in abundance. Do I feel confident? Yes, most times. Do I challenge myself to grow stronger in all aspects? Yes.
When the woman I see as a great fit for me challenges me, it's possible I can lose my shit.

I've had this idea from past breakups, and I was proven wrong, somehow my girlfriends just keep getting better and better, but there has to be a peak. I'm pretty sure my last gf was peak. I don't want to throw them away willy nilly

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How much of a drawback is it to want to take it slow when you're dating as a man?
I'm not at all religious so I wouldn't wait a year/until marriage
but I also can't imagine trusting someone enough to fuck on the first date, I've been burned by a lot of people
Is it just over if you aren't the one wanting sex right away

>>34176700
organise your life such you either go to a lot of social events for some kind of sport or hobby or interest or scene, or better yet, become the person who organises and runs those social events.

e.g. organising conventions or parties for anime conventions
organising meetups for some community e.g. rationalist community (except an interest or community that actually has a decent sex ratio since it's girls you're interested in)
e.g. organising social events for your tennis club
e.g. being part of a city amateur sports team and organising mixers with a girls team of the same or differnet sport that's not too far away
lots of things that have a lot of people interested or invested or participating will have social events. If you spend a while participating then you can volunteer to help organise those events

that's the best way way to really massively increase the number of women you meet and get the opportunity to hit on as an adult.
There are people out there who literally meet and have the oportunity to flirt with hundreds of women every month.

>>34177931
>How much of a drawback is it to want to take it slow when you're dating as a man?
Depends on who you want to be with.
>Is it just over if you aren't the one wanting sex right away
Again depends, cause what it sounds like is you want a woman who doesn't want sex until marriage. There are still women like that IRL.

You just have to wade through the rest of them to find her.

>>34176641
I have women giving compliments and superlikes on bumble/tinder
Believe me it's never women I'd match with

Is going to a record store with a girl a good hang out? She collects vinyl so I might get her one. Good idea or not?

>>34178000
100% go for it.

>>34178022
Maybe get her a Fleetwood Mac album if she doesn't have it, ladies love Fleetwood Mac.

>>34176890
>I've always felt that as long as a girl's responsive, there's a chance. Am I wrong about that?
Women are pretty social creatures, they'll maintain the peace in interpersonal relationships sometimes at the expense of their personal comfort.
Was she the one that ended the arrangement? From my experience once a woman decides she's done with some sort of relationship, whether that's a formal monogamous LTR or just being FWB, they've made up their minds. You won't be able to convince her to have sex with you again, she needs to make that decision herself. If she's evasive to making plans to hook up again, there's your answer. Time to start looking for a new one, luckily women are everywhere.

How much do you think that fruit plate cost? Half of it is just slices of cheap-ass melons that probably aren't even in season.

>>34178069
>Was she the one that ended the arrangement?

Yeah. She got distant, the excuses started, etc. I took the L and went away. But then she started hitting me up again. So it feels like mixed signals.

From her perspective, what's the point of keeping in touch? Just in case of a rainy day?

>>34178133
>From her perspective, what's the point of keeping in touch? Just in case of a rainy day?
Women like attention from men even if they have no intentions of fucking them. Yeah there's a chance she might be keeping you in the back pocket so don't sperg out and ghost her, but worst case scenario you have been downgraded from "fuckbuddy" to "orbiter." Stop trying to make things happen with her and go make them happen with another girl.

>>34178149
>Stop trying to make things happen with her and go make them happen with another girl.

Guess there's nothing else I can do. Damn. No chance I can get another girl who looks like her to fuck me.

just found this thread - might be able to offer some advice as a woman. if you don't want to hear advice from a woman just throw me out i guess. been with the same guy for years now and we're planning on getting engaged soon.

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>>34178247
Okay question for you.

Do women give compliments to guys they arent attracted to? But then act reserved and even rude to guys they are attracted to?

>>34174514
Women like to do things. I think if there's a difference, men dream of grand ambitions, and women want the day to day to be good.
Have an interesting life that you can invite them to; events on the weekends. Gatherings, etc. I just went to the mountains for a snow trip.

This is the positive spin. There is also more targetted manipulative advice, but I try to focus on the positive. Let someone else catch the negative.

>>34178281
>Do women give compliments to guys they arent attracted to?
yes. i'm just one woman so this is just one perspective, but we don't see men as like another species or anything. giving compliments to people makes us and them feel good. however some women enjoy attention and relish in the feeling that men are attracted to them. when i was a teenager i'd act that way, not outright flirt but give off a flirtatious energy and compliment a guy, just to feel him attracted to me. even if i wanted nothing to do with him romantically/sexually. this is extremely immature, so steer clear of women like this.
>But then act reserved and even rude to guys they are attracted to?
i would say no. this is a popular trope in movies and tv shows for some reason. "acting reserved" goes for both sexes when they are shy with the person they like. and i wouldn't say women are particularly rude to guys they are attracted to, maybe some types of women will negatively but lightheartedly joke with a man they like, but again this goes for both sexes. and is pretty immature imo. kind of hard to describe. hopefully this answered your questions.
i talked way too much. did i prove i'm a woman now?

>>34178247
no one asked but i can add onto this. we actually used to "know" each other in high school (never talked but were in the same class). we remet on bumble and funnily enough we did not recognize each other until we met up in person. when i was on these dating apps i only planned on hook ups. was a total slut and would get laid literally every single day. i was rotating between 9 guys at the time, and my soon-to-be fiance was one of them (he knew this. he was also hooking up with his coworker during this time). at this time i had just escaped an extremely abusive relationship. if i had stayed any longer i truly believe he would have killed me. my now partner wanted me immediately, it was love at first sight for him. i was hesitant because i didn't want to "get trapped" again.
now let me say. my partner is practically nothing i'd "want in a partner." we all have that subconscious checklist of what we "want" in a partner, aka things we are attracted to. objectively i'm into men who wear leather jackets, play guitar, wear steel toe boots..i mean that whole aesthetic. my soon-to-be fiance does not fit that at all. but i'd never want him to change, or leave him for someone who does. over time he became my best friend. then my lover. i'm not with him because he matches everything i'm attracted to - i'm with him because he's him. he "won me over" because we got along so well. not because he was trying to impress me or win me at all. he lets me be myself and caters to me. we nurture our relationship because we choose to be together. though rare, there are some days we don't like each other. but we choose to work things out because we're committed. anybody who wants to be in a relationship can absolutely achieve that, i truly believe that. i wasn't even looking for a relationship when i got into mine, and we're going to be engaged. "just be yourself" sounds simple and cliche, but honestly if my partner acted like anybody else i wouldn't be with him today.

so a girl i fucked twice then developed feelings for and we soon parted ways contacted me again after 2 and a half years
we matched on bumble and i have since then gotten leaner more attractive

so at first i think she didnt recognize (shes kinda a whore)
now we're meeting again on saturday

what could go wrong

>>34178247
Do women go out regularly? Like every single weekend or free day they have they are off going to concerts, raves, hiking, camping, to the beach, on road trips or whatever? I've admittedly never had a girlfriend and have like zero friends or a social circle that does things but I certainly get that impression. Feels like the average girl has lived like 50 years worth of adventure in the span of 5 years.

>>34178644
haha you're right on the money! most women i know, me included, like to go hiking on our days off or try to find something/somewhere new to explore, like another trial or hobby or something. i just got into crafting with felt and the boyf is liking it as well. while i do think both sexes equally enjoy doing things like this, i do find that my female friends are more open to being active on their days off. whereas my male friends (and my boyf) prefer to laze around, watch tv or play video games. i think having friends or a woman can really help you get out there and find fun things to do, though you don't have to wait around for either.

>>34178649
>trial
trail...meant trail. though we won't hesitate to put you on trial lol

>>34178649
>>34178652
Well fuck, that's a bummer. So I basically have nothing new or cool to offer girls and looksmaxxing is a bad proposition since I'm getting older, not tall and not particularly handsome. Thanks for the honesty though it was way more blackpilling that I hoped.

>>34178683
Everything comes at a price, anon. You think this chick's bf is really enjoying 'getting into crafting' with her? You're smarter than that. Both them know on some level that the other is just playing a role to get what they want out of this. But as long as no one makes too much of a stink about it, they'll both pretend not to notice.

That's what relationships are. Compromise. Day in, day out. No one really gets what they want, but they get some watered down flavor of it. A lot of anons are spectrum-y types with hyperfixations and uncompromising convictions, and the reality of a relationship would be hell for them.

>>34178699
>I mean, if a relationship entails 24/7 pressure to do shit you don't want to

You misunderstand. There are things I like to do but I simply don't care enough to go out every time I have a break from work or study or whatever. But judging but what you said, basically anything new I'd like to try, most girls have already done plenty since they were teens. She talks about going bungee-jumping, diving with sharks, going on hikes to some exotic locations or going on motorbike rides through the big city with her friends almost every other weekend and what the fuck am I supposed to say? "Oh I just relax over the weekend playing Red Dead Redemption 2 and eating takeout pizza because my 9 to 5 schedule as an office drone kicks my ass so hard that I end up sleeping until midday Saturday and then Sunday rolls around and I have to go to bed early so I don't miss work early in the morning and occasionally I also go practice martial arts and shooting at the gun range".

>shouldn't you be relieved that you aren't in one?

Yeah why shouldn't I be relieved that I'm missing out on one of the fundamental experiences of life because you need to do a metric ton of bullshit to even meet a modern woman's standards? I'm not targeting you in particular but I legitimately think most women have no idea how much most men desire female companionship and how absurdly difficult it is to actually get it for most of us.

>>34178704
You also misunderstand. I have no problem going out and doing things, problem is that most women want guys that are even better and more experienced than they are. Most girls aren't going to look twice at a guy who has lived a more boring life than they have unless the guy is lucky enough to have been born with his genetic stats maxed out or else has a shit-ton of fame and/or wealth thus guaranteeing him a social circle and access to women.

>Feel empty
>Look at girls and barely feel anything
>One girl appeared to like me
>Couldn't be bothered to even acknowledge it
Is it depression, severe isolation, autism or lack of experience the cause of this? I'm on my 27s and I've never been with anyone ever, not even hand holding or kissing. I can navigate people's emotions quite well but I just don't care about much all besides not getting into trouble.

>>34178731
Look up schizoid personality disorder

>>34178866
I did, and I think I don't fit in to the description. I'm not completely joyless. I just feel this deep longing that I don't care enough to address.

>>34176431
Currently have Tier S, but I keep fanasising about Tier A or something similar. I think I just want to sleep around (girl I'm with is my first). I'm fairly good looking so I think I could do it with some work, but I don't want to break up with my current gf only to miss her. She's average looking, I do have feelings for her, but I keep fantasizing about more attractive girls. We've been together 3+ years

>>34178683
>>34178709
hey man, this is just one perspective from one woman. you're not a lost hope. not every woman likes to go out and do things every second of free time we have. especially during the winter lol (it's winter for me right now). i'm glad to hear there are some things you enjoy doing :}
>"Oh I just relax over the weekend playing Red Dead Redemption 2 and eating takeout pizza because my 9 to 5 schedule as an office drone kicks my ass so hard that I end up sleeping until midday Saturday and then Sunday rolls around and I have to go to bed early so I don't miss work early in the morning"
sounds a lot like my boyf. sometimes it's hard to get him to go out with me, but like someone else's reply to you, relationships involve compromise. some weekends we never leave the house. other times we find something new to go do. it's all about balance. i've seen some similar responses where you claim they misunderstood you, but i still think this is an important point to make, especially since you now have a woman's perspective who is in a successful relationship.
>>34178712
>problem is that most women want guys that are even better and more experienced than they are. Most girls aren't going to look twice at a guy who has lived a more boring life than they have unless the guy is lucky enough to have been born with his genetic stats maxed out
maybe i'm not most women, and i understand what you're saying and where you're coming from, but i have to mildly disagree here. maybe i'm just one of those people who likes to take the reigns of the relationship and i do enjoy getting what i want most of the time, but i actually liked that my boyfriend lacked experience that i've had for years. this meant i could show him how to do certain things and introduce him to new hobbies. getting with someone who has already done everything i've done, or if we like the exact same things...there's nothing to build on there. 1/2

>>34179156
2/2 - when i met my boyfriend, he drove a lemon that some crackhead stole the catalytic converter off of, lived with his mom, worked at Starbucks, was sort of a gooner and played video games all day. i still fell in love with him. it was only after a few years of being together that he now has a really good job that he worked really hard to get, wants to start a family and is committed to providing for us. i didn't stay with him because i was hoping he'd change. some of these things, like playing games all day, he still does haha. and i really don't mind if that never changes about him, as long as he doesn't neglect our future family for it. when women meet you, they don't want you to be perfect. we're looking for somebody we'd be willing to spend the rest of our lives with. that typically isn't a model or some robot dude who wants to go out every weekend or works the perfect job or..whatever. and i'm not perfect either. we're not with each other because we're "perfect" for each other. we're with each other because we choose to be, and can tolerate each other for the rest of our lives. also the looksmaxxing department lol - when i met him, i definitely was attracted to him but never thought much about his appearance. nowadays i truly think he's the most handsome man who has ever walked the Earth, and he's not even fit or anything. i just love him.

>>34178704
haha i enjoyed reading this. though of course you know i have to disagree. this whole crafting thing has always been a hobby for me, just not in terms of felt until recently. he watched me do it one day during parallel play and was interested. now he's trying to make a stuffed banana slug lol. i didn't mean to get him into it. sometimes you like things you don't expect to like. i didn't expect to like a dude who lived with his mom and worked at Starbucks when i met him, but what the hell.
>Both them know on some level that the other is just playing a role to get what they want out of this. But as long as no one makes too much of a stink about it, they'll both pretend not to notice.
damn dude this is just depressing. i mean there's compromising, and then there's whatever the hell this is. truly hope this type of relationship doesn't fall on anybody's lap here.
>That's what relationships are. Compromise. Day in, day out. No one really gets what they want, but they get some watered down flavor of it.
i wouldn't say that's entirely what a relationship is, but definitely does involve this compromising aspect. we both get what we want a lot of the time, probably me more than him because he's truly happy pleasing his woman. but i don't think either of us would be happy if we both never got what we wanted, and didn't give each other what we know the other wants. it makes both of us happy to please and deliver to the other person. speaking of watered down flavor of it, i guess that part is true. we always fight to give each other the last sip of whatever soda we shared, and it's pretty watered down at that point. by "fight" i mean trade the cup between us by the half-sip until it runs dry.

>>34175118
>khhv
>has an ex
Is this a bot?

>>34175853
Dont have to ask her on a date but see if she wants to study for these exams

>>34179026
Keep her
There is a reason Tier S is mythical

>>34178731
Probably the later

>>34179291
They are discord long distance "relationships"

>>34178247
>>34179156
You're not a woman, you're a mutilated beta male pretending to be one on the internet
If you want people to take you seriously as a woman, you know what you need to do
>ib4 muh blue board
Tits with clothing over them are still tits, it's the timestamp that mostly matters
>inb4 muh doxxing
4chan has not stored exif data in images in over a decade. As long as you take a picture indoors with nothing else in frame there's 0 chance of anyone finding your location from just an image.

>>34177931
It definitely will set you apart from most men, and women will probably find it refreshing and appreciate it, especially at first. But women get horny and if they dont have the same approach to sex as you do, they may get impatient and even get in their heads thinking there's something undesirable about them.
The trick is to be clear with your intentions and communicate about it, make it understood that you want to be attracted to them for who they are rather than just for sex as corny as it may sound. It'll go a very long way in establishting trust (or weeding out sluts lol)

>>34179026
People are split between the duality of long term monogamy and marriage, or super promiscuity. Figure out what you KNOW you want/need, and discipline yourself against the urge to go against it. You cant have your cake and eat it, and being an adult is committing to one choice.

>>34171388
Czech'd. How do you meet girls outside of uni? I am 27 and I run a startup. I am pretty a jacked /fit/izen. All I do is work (male dominated industry) and lift after. How the fuck do I approach at the gym and or IRL? Where do I go to find them?

>>34179717
>I am 27 and I run a startup. I am pretty a jacked /fit/izen. All I do is work (male dominated industry) and lift after.
This is exactly me except I'm 33. The short answer is that you're just not gonna meet women IRL with this lifestyle. If you want female company, you'll need to use dating apps. Alternatively you can try meeting women at events in your industry but that might poison the well.
>How the fuck do I approach at the gym
Unless one of them approaches you, leave the bitches at the gym alone.

The real question I asked myself, being in your position, is if grinding on pussy was more important than grinding on the business, and the answer is no. Sometimes, you need to accept that you'll just have lonely periods in your life where you do nothing but work. As a startup founder, that can be YEARS. The bitches will come for your exit liquidity

>>34179746
lmao so true, but i keep getting eyes from women at the gym. I had a girl stop to try and get me to talk to her (i think). The lifting chicks are what I like but no clue how to get this haha

I'd love to be enlightened in the subject..

My few relationships were perhaps only the fruit of hasard and luck, and they all came crashing down. I'd really like a lifetime or long term one for once in my life.

>>34179769
I mean you can try to pick women up in the gym, when women "approach" it can be super subtle. As for "how" you approach them, it's just the same as approaching women any other place. Say hi, chat them up, try to exchange contact info. The process is the same, the opportunities are just scarcer and the penalty is just higher.
>The lifting chicks are what I like but no clue how to get this
Lol good luck to you, in my experience girls who are super motivated in the gym have this weird competitive complex against men. They want to be "as strong as men" and will just be super competitive with you in everything. That's not what you need if you're doing something like building a startup, you need a support system. Not to mention, she'll be in the gym around other jacked guys all the time, possibly even get male trainers.
I like girls that take care of themselves and always introduce my girls to lifting but now I see being super into lifting, to the point of entering lifting or BBing meets, as a red flag.

>>34171388
How do I meet racist women irl? Where do whites hangout that isn't infested with browns? I'm not Christian and I don't listen to metal.

>>34179855
checked. haha this makes sense. what female archtype you recommend i go for/ you go for given our same situation

>>34179855
how do women approach?

>>34179882
Well you can go for whatever you want, I'm not judging your tastes or recommending you do anything, I'm just sharing my experience
Personally, these days I'm looking at more "easygoing" girls who don't have any strong obsessions or career directions. Not losers who leech off men to survive but women who wouldn't have any problems with settling down and doing the domestic thing. Sadly these days those girls are needles in the haystack

>>34179333
sure
>>34179291
I wish

>>34179794
Idk anon what went wrong and how do you avoid those circumstances in the future

>>34179156
Out of curiosity, how old were you and your boyfriend when you met?

>>34179886
They stare at you and might set up near you, walk in front exactly once and then ignore you the rest of the time and give signals that say "dont talk to me"

Most women who have a problem with you are not being awful people. It just is they're being cautious and practical on their own terms, and you need to let them be to it. A lot of us are different, and different just scares people.

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>>34180435
I don't have that problem
My problem is that the women who've been interested in me in the past were all pretty boring

>>34179515
i try to offer advice to men and i get told to post my tits. typical.

>>34180247
i was 18 and he was 21 haha. might be a teensie bit strange for some people but worked out for us.

>>34181486
Lady, there are a few things about men being attractive you don't understand. You pretty much only tell what is attractive had the guy went to church with you, you don't tell how he could be attractive had he gone to the same parties and nightclubs you go to is, or when he is with your friends, or when you want to have fun, or even when you find going to church very boring. Yeah sure this church girl shit doesn't fly when you do devil in the sheets type of stuff when no one is noticing. Tell us what you're like beyond church.

>>34181523
i hexed a guy one time and he had a heart attack the next day, does that count?

How do I ask out a girl that I really like without coming across as desperate(even though i am)? I'm at college

>>34181632
"hey wanna go out for a drink this Saturday?"

Where do I actually meet nice girls? The church meme did not work

>>34181685
What about hiking or some kind of active hobby instead of drinking?

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Several month talking stage killed today.
Girl would takes days to answer my messages, never engaged first.
She would always find some excuse not to hang out.
She said it was because she never checked her phone.
>Fast forward to two weeks ago
>Asker her to hang
>She says she will lmk if she can
>*never does
>almost two weeks later...
>"sorry for answering late anon. I barely respond to guys other than my bf. I don't want to be rude"(presumably to "bf")
First time I'm hearing she has a boyfriend, presumably because she wants me to leave her alone now.
I was told by a close friend that she NEVER had a bf when we first started speaking and now the excuse for ignoring my messages all the time has changed since I basically tried to ask her out.
Should I just larp as a performative male to hit when she's upset with her bf?
No longer looking for anything long term with her, that would make me the cuck she settles with.

>>34182680
Leave her behind. Anon. she was never interested in you beyond having an orbiter

>>34182680
Just walk away. I know you want to find a way to 'game' this situation, but you can't. Take this opportunity to learn how to take an L and accept failure.

>>34182458
Other churches and maybe karaoke nights at bars

>>34181632
What's the context? Do you guys have a rapport? Do you already have her number?

How do I learn to make peace with the fact that I’m just going to be single for the rest of my life
>have standards that are objectively to high for my own status
>autistic
>often depressed
>low self esteem
>selfish
>little motivation to achieve much in life
>get tired of people really easily
it just feels like by wanting a partner I’m going to torture myself for the rest of my life

>>34182458
Just be yourself

>>34183428
Do you really actually think someone's going to give you 10 tips and tricks for giving up on life? What was the point of this post?

>>34171388
I have a fairly deep voice when I practice talking and flirting in the mirror but when I'm with friends or actually flirting I pussy out and my voice becomes naturally higher. Is that beta behaviour?

>>34182458
Go to Church for girls. Stay for God.

>>34184096
Practicing a 'flirt voice' is pretty goofy behavior. Being obviously insecure about something hurts you more than having that thing would help you. You wouldn't be the first guy with a high voice to get laid, my man.

I'm a nasally voiced, lispy gay looking motherfucker and I've still gotten pussy. Not often, but here and there.

>>34175118
yes please ignore these online women they will never get you to where you want to be and clearly they’ve fucked your life up

>>34179026
She sounds perfect

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If a girl playfully bites you, is that a sign? What should be done afterwards?

>>34184404
she's probably a zombie, avoid at all costs

Charity session time

>>34183428
>How do I learn to make peace
Put that energy into change and action

>I’m just going to be single for the rest of my life
The only one who is telling you this is you, yourself. Read it twice

>have standards that are objectively to high for my own status
Raise status

>autistic
Good. Easy to deal with, simplest neurodivergency. Learn how to communicate, how to read signals, how to have relationships. It is just another language like English you already know

>often depressed
Find the source. Chemical imbalance? Bad lifestyle? Chronic stress? Negative beliefs? Its takes like 10 minutes of research and 10 minutes with a piece of paper to find out. Ask your chatgpt even. Depression is a state to resolve, not a label to carry blindly

>low self esteem
Same as depression. Find the source, heal what is broken, improve what is healed. Self-esteem is a skill to build, not a label to win in a lottery

>selfish
Thats survival thing, misaligned weak character and perceived scarcity. Fix your depression, confidence, heal, grow, then you will grow out of selfishness into self-respecting openness

>little motivation to achieve much in life
Motivation is a skill. Skills are build through movement. Start moving. Act, instead of pitying yourself

>get tired of people really easily
No, you just don't resonate with yourself and with people around you. Once you fix all above and learn to find the right people and how to connect with them, you will forget what being socially tired even is

>it just feels like by wanting a partner I’m going to torture myself for the rest of my life
Who told you that? Where did you get this idea with that vocabulary? And what kind of results do you expect with that weird predisposition you are copying from your parents, internet or whichever the source is?

Save your excuses and explanations, zoom out of your pit of self-created misery, then sit with this post and receive it with your heart fully open

>>34182680
>Girl would takes days to answer my messages, never engaged first.
it was dead from the start. You should have moved on a long time ago, don't debase yourself like this by giving these women any attention.

>>34184404
I bet that if OP asked her out she would say no. Women...

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>Charity session time

>>34185240
If you disagree with the value of the insights, you should question them directly. Otherwise you are just discouraging those who seek help there based on your petty traumas

Or is charity a foreign concept for you?

>>34171388
A lady at work was talking me up asking me sexual questions and I told her I got a new game and asked if she wanted to come over and try it. She said yes and gave me her number. I texted her a few days later asking when she wants me to pick her up, and she basically rejected me. Few months later I asked her if she thought I wanted sex and she said ya. So I told her I thought she was interested in hanging out because she doesn’t have friends. No response. And this lady is not my type, too short, old, fucks blacks and has children.(they are old).

>>34185302
nope, it's just you and that nigger zach that I hope to discourage. You write like faggots

Trying to retrain myself into being more focused on getting relationships has mostly worked, but it's annoying when I temporarily regress back to my naturally depressive disposition
Anyways, gonna revamp my Hinge to see if that gets me any more matches. I'm also gonna sign up for some dance classes to see if I enjoy them

I currently live with my father and can’t afford to move out anytime soon. Is trying to pursue or match with women a fool’s errand while I’m still under his roof?

>>34185936
Are you attracted to the type of woman who would be okay with going back to a guy's dad's house to have sex?

>>34185943
Maybe? I’m attending college so I hoped that some of the girls I might meet would either empathize or not care at all

>>34184404
Terminal stages of toxoplasmosis infection.

>>34185675
Then copypaste my posts into chatgpt and ask it to format to your liking. The wisdom based on helping multitude of clients over the years still holds

>>34185936
I've literally never had a woman care about this as long as you have reasonable privacy. The people who spout this being an issue online are gold diggers or alpha male grifters.

Started community college. It's been wierd, everyone either has friends or take classes and leave asap. How can I make the most of it? Tbh would not mind a gf desu

>>34186312
Go to clubs. Get into leadership for one if you have the opportunity it's one of the best things you can do for yourself in college.

>>34185232
yeah, I'm a bit naïve. I believed her when she said she didn't check her phone much, should of put two and two together when I asked her what she does for fun and she said she just scrolls social media.

>go on hinge
>get a like from some objectively mid middle-aged asian lady
>decide what the hell let’s give her a shot since I ain’t swimming in pussy here and send her a friendly message
>silence

I’m so tired bros, this woman wasn’t even in any position to be picky.

>>34186708
She has options dawg

>>34186737
Nigga she was fugly as shit. She was like a 4 whereas I am probably a 6. If she’s got options then what the hell kind of chance do I have?

>>34186835
You have no idea dude. I can guarantee you that she has quite a few matches

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>>34181486
>i try to offer advice to men and i get told to post my tits. typical.
Because we don't want advice from a man pretending to be a woman. Either verify you're a woman or shut the fuck up and suck a shotgun like Ronnie McNutt.

Being a good little goy and making a hinge profile
Feel free to give me some recommendation for prompts or whatever

>>34179886
they give what are called "choosing signals". usually it's just eye contact that lasts just slightly too long. like half-a-second too long. literally blink and you'll miss it.
a lot of it is frustratingly subtle and unless you keep a super sharp eye and veer into delusional schizo territory you'd totally miss a girl who found you attractive and would've been receptive if you tried talking to her.

>>34186708
>this woman wasn’t even in any position to be picky
lmao, imagine believing this about any woman nowadays.
something I read recently revealed a whole new facet of how dating apps are corrosive to women's minds. while swiping on a dating app women don't see the competition whereas in any other setting they do. from their perspective it's infinite men going after her, with zero other women around (recall women are inherently solipsistic and are incapable of factoring something into their mental models without directly perceiving it)

So, if I wanted to get out and meet women, the proper advice from men I respect seem to be that you get involved in communities that you actually want to be a part of. From there, is it literally just get involved, be present, meet different people, and try to be open to women who match who you are as long as who you are is comfortable with yourself but also is decent enough at being social? I have a variety of hobbies I enjoy, yoga, MTBing, snowboarding, volunteering, and go to church even though I'm not sure if I'm religious (long story), is it best to just actually show up as a person?

>>34187697
Yes

What's crema social all about? saw distinguised living use it. I got at least a few girls on omegle to strip for me (at least 7/10's) in the past not spending too much time on it. Seems like this could be a good alternative.

>>34187697
In my yoga classes at the gym no one talks except for some ugly old regulars. I see a different hottie join the sea of oldies once in a blue moon. I guess I could talk to everyone and build up socially and get preselected.
What's MTB?

>>34187873
Well, that's good to know.
>>34187933
Mountain Biking. Maybe try different yoga studios? Hot Yoga is pretty fun.

>>34187978
Yeah I was thinking of a yoga studio. I passed one in the city and it seemed way more social with younger women all around. I'll train first in this one because I suck.

>>34187986
I know we're in a women thread, but honestly dude, most people suck at yoga, including myself. They don't give a single shit. I've seen 70 year old men with their shirts off not holding a single pose, best time to try it out was yesterday, 2nd best time is today, etc.

>>34186708
App dating is pretty cursed and most people worth dating aren't on there.

Is the gym a bad place to meet girls? I started going in the morning and usually there's just me and one other chick who looks around my age

>Short answers
>Making undefined excuses about how she can't hang out tomorrow
>Connected to the app but not responding
It's so fucking over.

What I don't understand is why they always give me their phone number but then they don't want anything.

>>34188500
They're afraid of saying no in front of you.
Getting girl's phone number doesn't really mean anything

>>34188539
The more I interact with them, the more I learn new signals that they aren’t interested, and that any new advances actually suggest the opposite. Fuck me.

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Just wanted to ask... i am friend with a woman andi have helped her stretch and she did something she never does: she crossed her legs standing. what does it mean?

Reminder that the shills and bot farms are not exempt from TCD

>>34187105
It will destroy your self esteem just as well as tinder but half as fast when you realize it’s all boring fats and uggos just trying to keep up with their more popular better looking friends. They will not be there for you they’re just there to keep up appearances.

>>34186331
Yeah, your grades don’t matter one bit uni is a scam anyway dedicate all that time to school functions and clubs for even a small chance at pussy

My biggest problem with getting women is accepting their past. It just makes me feel weird to learn shed have a "slutty phase" and just treats it like something people "just do", like they have to get it out of their system. Its pretty much 90% of the women I meet that are like that, or they have this weird thing about flirting with every guy they see but they attribute it their "outgoing personality", meanwhile all the guys talking to her think she's into them and guys are desperate for the most part, so they can get pretty forward with women like that and whats worst is that these women often go with it. I just can't trust a woman like that to want to settle down when she meets a guy, I feel like she'd always be on the lookout for someone new and more "fun" in new ways than her current guy, even if she's happy with who shes with. I met a girl like that that was really into me for some reason, even told me to make a move on her and I told her that she has a bf, she made it seem like hes just temporary and a "whatever" kind of guy, her words. I still wasn't ok with it because I know she'd only cheat on me one day, so I never made move. Shes with the same guy still almost 5 years later. I hold myself to a high standard and say no to a lot of things, because its excessive, and if a woman doesn't do the same, I'm turned off by her, but I feel like my standards are unrealistic and I never met a woman to actually meet the standard I hold myself to, so I'm slowly accepting I'm looking for like a 1% of the women out there and most likely will be alone forever because anything less than that, makes me actually prefer to be alone.

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Give me some obscure looksmaxing advice and tutorials which increase the chance of getting approached by women

>>34189081
Its okay to have those red flags and not accept if she had a hoe phase. The problem seems to be that youre preoccupied by it and its getting you in this despair loop. Im the same way honestly but I recently had an experience where I was talking to a girl for a couple months and challenged myself to not dwell on her past and instead make a fair assessment of her character in the present. Like I suspected that she hoed around in her late teens/early 20s which of course bothered me. I didnt know for sure though and i challenged get myself to not pry into it and keep it unknown. It definitely kept me at peace for the most part and it didnt distract from getting to know her. I still would angst about it and if if I decided to escalate things it would've inevitably come out, however I didnt see it going anywhere long term so I broke it off. I never found out and im glad I was able to make the decision about her based on how she is rather than how she was

>>34189159
get lean, go to the gym

>>34189159
As of today you identify as hot.

>>34189081
What country are you from? If you're American you're going to need to leave to find a woman that matches those values because what you said is the prevailing belief in women there unfortunately

>>34189665
What authority are you drawing that claim from?

>>34189665
you're probably american yourself but sadly this is true in europe as well, especially in areas like Ireland or UK. Where I'm at its a standard for women, its very uncommon for a woman to have any sort of values, its possible but very rare and if you're a foreigner here, you can forget it, even if a girl has values he won't date a foreigner because of reasons. This is sadly where I'm at so its extra impossible to meet someone reasonable who is actually willing to date you.

In trying to be a decent human being I've found myself friendzone twice even after setting boundaries.
Do I need to be stricter? harsher and push more? it feels anathema to all I know about courtship.

I invalidated her feelings when she got vulnerable with me. She's rightfully unhappy. She says she's not going to be this vulnerable with anyone anymore and that we should just tread slowly. She says she knows I didn't intend on doing that but it brings back bad memories of harmful exes then asked if we're having a falling out to which I said no and apologized.

I think I've fucked it up. I really need to stop thinking I'm being helpful with people because I'm really not.

>>34191279
Worst of all I've hurt her because I'm an idiot.

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>>34171388
How does one cope with a black pill of this caliber?

>>34191347
Beatings.

I can’t even hit on cashiers because they close the window after handing me food. How do I make small talk or flirt with strangers? They always look away, look at the ground or pretend I’m invisible when I try to make eye contact. you guys say white girls don’t hate white men but I feel this is the case.

I've got no problem getting matches on the apps but have no idea how to message them because I 'm super autismo. How do you open with a girl who has nothing interesting on her profile?

>>34191840
Creativity issue. Theres almost always something to remark on. If youre struggling though just be forward and ask her out with no opening

>>34191347
>14 year span
OK lol

>>34171388
Girls, what do you like in a boy?

>>34191347
>15-29

That's a pretty fucking large age range. I'm honestly surprised that they even got 7%, I think there's even less men that are virgins by 29.

>>34191347
i mean it obviously wasn't ownership so that's a silly term to use

>>34192422
"Used" or "2nd hand" would be a better terms to describe this

>>34191347
If you would only date a woman that's a virgin and you're not a virgin yourself you're ill.

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How much of a difference does a car make on your chance to get a girl?

What do girls usually do on their weekends at university?

>>34192633
A good car or having one at all? Most don't give a shit as long as you have something that runs.

>>34171458
No. It means she's entertained by you. Maybe she also does like you, but it probably means she doesn't. Stop being her jester and don't carry the conversation, be cordial and respond when she asks questions, but don't think of her as anything other than your annoying kid brother

>>34172860
I met my wife there. She reached out to me and I asked her out. She divorced me last year.

How to ensure a response from women? Recently I tried to make contact again with a girl I knew from school who would be flirtatious with me at times. I complimented her on her story and she was flattered. but then I did it again and I got no response.

Do you need to have sex in a relationship? I only want to satisfy the family pressures and having kids might be the right thing to do, but I don't want to have any regular sex at all.

>>34191840
You don't. If they have nothing interesting, then they are possibly boring to talk to. That's my experience.

>>34193851
Flattery and compliments are the worst route you can take. Every girl gets them from every dude. It's boring.

When you complimented her story, she was being polite by giving you the benefit of the doubt. Instead of being a person and actually engaging her, you just did the exact same thing again lmao

I don’t want to get a woman. Love isn’t real

>>34193987
Why? Do you not have any sexual drive?

Seeking advice from women:

I went on a date with a mutual friend. It went well, not perfect, but enough that I am pretty sure we will see each other again soon. Problem is she is extremely busy with med school so it could be even a couple of weeks before we have common time again. I am thinking about the idea of dropping off or having delivered something like flowers for her, to stay fresh in her mind and show my romantic side. I'm just concerned about it coming off creepy and/or desperate rather than sincere and thoughtful so that's where I am seeking advice.

For complete context: I have her address because I have been to her place once for a group hang out and once to pick her up. We established on our date neither of us like to text socially and only like to text for making plans (so we haven't been texting at all really). Our date was last Sunday, we went for drinks at a bar and talked on my patio for another hour after the bar. I'm 26 and she is 22.

Again, I am just seeking advice on if this would ever clock as creepy or uncalled for.

>>34194012
I wouldn't do flowers because it was only one date so far. And I'm assuming you don't know her or her schedule well enough to know she'd be home for some kind of food delivery. It's too soon it would be weird.

If you haven't talked to her in like 5 days I don't think it would be out of the question to do some kind of "just wanted to say hi because I was thinking about you" text.

>>34193499
I have subcompact sedan, with banged doors.

>>34171388
I'm working night and graveyard shifts at work. Any general advice on how I can still meet women?

>>34193983
what am I supposed to say then? I'm most likely autistic and I need clear and explicit instructions.

>>34178281
That's not a girl, that's a bacha bazi boy

>>34194923
Just vibe bro

Why do women only ever want to be my friend and never see me as romantic? I flirt with people but when I ask them about dates, then I still get told that they're not ready for a relationship because xyz etc. etc. and that we should be friends

Maybe I'm just an ugly black manlet so I'm not going to be attractive to anyone

>keep conversation going with match for multiple days
>check this morning
>match gone
Ok then

>>34195212
Idk why they do that but such is the nature of online dating. Shrug it off and move on

>>34195260
Yeah, I'm already over it.
It was my only active match so it also gives me an excuse to finally rework my profile too

>>34195212
Relatable. Stay strong, brothers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tH2w6Oxx0kQ

Have been writing with this girl for about a month now, been going really strong for the last two weeks. We can just talk about anything and when we start it does not stop. I have only met her two times so far, but both times went really great. I am meeting her again today and really want to make a move, but just dont want to come off as too forward and ruin it. Any tips?

>>34171388
I previously asked in ATOGA but it's not working out. I figure this might be on-topic here as well.

I've been chatting with this girl. Our intention is to date long-term, get married, have kids, etc. and we're both on the same page with what we expect there. It's online only for now, we're not too far away and planning to meet within maybe 3-4 months and go from there.

It seems we are both into each other and everything is going well, but she just suddenly dropped today out of the blue that she's actually not straight, but bisexual.

I don't know what to make of it:
- Is she not interested anymore or trying to find a way out?
- Is she really interested in men? Or does she want to use me because of baby fever only?
- Or maybe it doesn't really mean anything?

Thoughts? Anything I should ask about or discuss with her to make sure this has serious potential?

>>34192386
Are you dumb? All the stats show the opposite, men are significantly more virginal than women at any age range. But not by more though. It's basically a shifted distribution, if women have X% virginity rate at age A, men have X% at age approximately A+5.

>>34171388
I have been studying internet and personal privacy for years now, and, I only use Threema and for communication, dont have any social media, use graphene os, I terminated all bank accounts, and social services accounts in the EU, moved my permanent residency to paraguay, use kyrgystani and Georgian banks, better privacy laws, I dont have a phone number, nor an ID (this can be done if you move your residency to Paraguay) use only cash, etc you get the idea. And I found it that its extremely hard to find a gf, or even at least a one night stand, with this life style, most of my conversations with women end when they ask for my instagram or snap, and when by a miracle im a conversation with a woman, and we get talking and she asks about my life, its over. I also cant stand stay in the EU for more than 180 days (Id risk losing my Paraguyan residency) It is very hard to find a good woman companion with these conditions, what can I do?

>>34195576
Have you tried paraguyaian women?

Charity sessions time

>>34195466
>to make sure this has serious potential?
It doesn't. You are negotiating life long romantic plans like a lawyer. With some woman you never met, right? And you are waiting for months? Thats not desire, thats inhuman dysfunctional approach. Here is your reality check: you are her online chatbuddy. Otherwise you would be sleeping in the same bed at this point already

Your intention is to have kinds with some woman you talk for months online. How do you know you are into each other if you are talking to your phone? There is not physical woman with you

You should date real women, who are present in your life, and are eager to stay. You are wasting your precious lifetime like this

>>34195442
You are already ruining it by being her remote phonebuddy. You want her right? Go get her, instead of hiding behind the phone, nurturing your old fears. Be forward, get your rejection of she is not eager, go date other women. Otherwise you will waste month of your precious lifetime following your indecisiveness

>>34195212
Because while you were pointlessly chatting for days, someone actually asked her out and now she is romantically busy. Dating apps have one single purpose - a date. That's why they are called dating apps. They are not conversation apps. Read this twice. Next time move them into instagram/watsapp/whatever you use and have a call with them to arrange a date

Actually thats the common theme here for several posts: phone is for arranging dates and meeting women face to face, phones is not to talk endlessly to them, thats how you destroy desire

>>34195041
You are trying to buy luxury cars with empty wallet. Your body is not ideal, build up the rest then, raise your value

>>34194012
Never take advice from women. They don't date other women, how would they know how to do it. You don't ask patients in a hospital how to do surgery on them, its stupid

>busy with med
Don't date medicals, they are busy and stressed their whole life

I dont spend much time in Paraguay, I only have residency there. I am legally obliged to visit every year so when Im there usually for a week, and theres shit to do in paraguay so most of the times I go to brazil or argentina, I did try south american women, but most of them only showed interest because, white European must be rich. And yes also escorts I have a lot experience. I rarely stay in one country for more than 3 months

>>34195625
>Because while you were pointlessly chatting for days, someone actually asked her out and now she is romantically busy. Dating apps have one single purpose - a date.
The roads are covered in ice right now so I doubt she umatched me because she's got another date today, anon

>>34195625
>You are negotiating life long romantic plans like a lawyer. With some woman you never met, right?
How so? There isn't any negotiation. We started chatting entirely under the premise that we both wanted to marry and have kids. At no point was there any other discussion on the topic (except in the sense that suddenly she dropped the fact she was bisexual).

Yes we've never met. The reason we're going to start meeting only in a few months is because we both have important life events developing. On that timeline we will both be free to travel for a while to see each other. It's also not like we'll meet that one time and just get hitched right away to be clear.

>Here is your reality check: you are her online chatbuddy. Otherwise you would be sleeping in the same bed at this point already
Or, and hear me out here... it's an LDR.

>Your intention is to have kinds with some woman you talk for months online.
Sorry if that wasn't clear but no, that's not what I said at all.

>How do you know you are into each other if you are talking to your phone?
Yes, I totally agree. This is why we are already making plans to meet.

>You should date real women, who are present in your life
Doesn't exist. I have evolved exclusively in a 99% male environment. Any woman around my age is married with kids. When I was younger, I dated women around me. They swore their eternal love and that they'd totally stay. Only I was serious about these relationships in the end.

>>34195638
You are severely underestimating competition in female phone. Roads may be covered in ice, and someone lives closer than you. And someone asks her to fly to dubai with him paying for tickets. All in the same phone of hers. Women don't reject their best options. Options are subjective. You happily claimed a position of 'dating app conversation guy'. Escalate into personal messengers, or better meet women face to face in real life

>>34195651
Clearly we have a beliefs systems clash here, so I will share wisdom of my years of practice, and you decide what to do with it

>We started chatting entirely under the premise that we both wanted to marry and have kids
Relationships are not being negotiated. Those are just words. Sexual desire is being experienced. You are negotiating it like a corporate manager, and that kills what relationships are actually built on: spark, emotional connection, excitement. Divorces come from dead bedrooms, dead bedrooms come from collapse of sexual desire and polarity. That's biology and biology is destiny

> it's an LDR
Ldrs don't work. Relationships are neither words nor agreements, they are physically felt chemical connections. They require proximity. Thats why someone can be married for 50 years sleeping in different rooms and feel zero loyalty, and someone can be loyal to another after living together for one week. If you want it to work, meet her as soon as possible

>Doesn't exist. I have evolved exclusively in a 99% male environment

Move then, travel, explore the world, find a wife. You are a man: a being of adventure, curiosity and conquest. In the era of globalism, remote work and easy finances your circumstances are trivial, unless you are in some weird cult or a prisoner

You got my point, no need to argue, decide what resonates and what you are going do about it

>>34195760
I think one point of confusion is you seem to have never used any dating apps. I guess you are under the impression we just randomly chatted in whatever context and started negotiating life goals.
When you use a dating apps, you can put things on your profile like if you're looking for short-term or long-term relationships, if you're looking for marriage or don't care, if you want children, and so forth.
Does this make it clearer?
Otherwise I have 0 clue whatsoever what you could possibly mean by lawyer this, negotiating that. I really want to know where you got that from. It will at the minimum help me rewrite my initial question in a way that is less ambiguous.

But the rest of your post just flies in the face of the most basic reality and I wouldn't be surprised if you're a shitposting 16 year old boy based on their nonsense content. I don't mean any insult/offense by it, but I am simply expressing total disbelief that someone can have a life experience so widely incompatible with not just my own (obviously) but that of my friends and colleagues, and of the people I have talked to online.

How do I find girls? I have next to no experience with women because I didn't want to be vulnerable with them when I was a kid. Whenever a girl showed interest in me, I blew her off, and whenever I liked a girl, I would talk to them on occasion but avoid getting too close because I didn't want anyone to know how I felt. Nowadays, I don't really interact with people in general outside of classes or work. I can do fine in social interactions even though I sometimes jumble my words and I was told by peers and strangers that I was attractive unpromptedly. I just don't know where to start.

I'm always awkward around women and it sucks. I know its because of years of rejection and im socially maladjusted in comparison to most men but its embarassing at this point. I think I'm at a point of my life where it feels demoralizing attempting. I think I may give up soon idk

>>34195810
Some women find that cute, don't give up yet. It will be very hard, but you can do it if you're persistent.

>>34195834
What is your advice? Trying to lose weight and gain muscle so my facial shape can be as defined as it used to be (I kinda let myself go a little bit late 2025 lel) but even when I was suepr skinny and toned I had the same issues. People say by "ascending" you beat the autism but its kind of hard to beat!

How do I meet foids in the gym?

Every gay man I've come to know has said I was pretty good looking. Can I take that as valid feedback?

>>34195910
It means youre attractive yeah but maybe with some gay appeal. I think homosexual attraction is still based on conventional appearances but they probably wont hit on you if they dont assume youre gay so you probably trigger their gaydar in some way

Hi. How do I get literally anyone to talk to me? I don't get it.

>>34171388
tommorow my flatmate is cutting my hair (part of her job training). I want to ask her out, should i do it right after the cut or wait until i see her back at the apartment?

We have talked a bit, but she works long hours and i come home late from uni so no deeper relationship yet

How do I tell if i should keep a conversation going during a cold approached? I approached this girl in my university library during a busy exam season, and she took her headphones off and kept talking, strong eye contact, laughing etc. but I just felt like she wasn't interested on a gut level. I am slightly autistic, so idk what I'm looking for.

I ended the conversation and let her get back to studying. When she walked past me in the library a little later she looked and smiled at me(not that that means much)

But generally, what signs do I look for to continue escalating (ie ask for her socials)

>>34195481
Calling someone dumb is a ready sign of being triggered. Give me the stats because the only one I remember showed men between the ages of 18-29 having a virginity rate of 3%. Way below 7%. Otherwise STFU.

>>34196217
Do you have any indication that she likes you? Like have you tried flirting and does she reciprocate? I wouldnt risk making things awkward between you two if you have to live together

Ugh...
>at a bookstore
>two girls come in the section I'm checking out, very loud
>eventually I try to get a book near them, the one I'm attracted to (intially) starts talking to me
>she seems nervous but eager to talk to me
>while we talk I notice her teeth look gross, and her chin is kinda recessed. SHe had high heels on, her tits kinda pushed up and her ass out, so I was mainly into that but I thought eh I'll try and ask anyway, she seems to like me
>she says shes really into debate
>I say oh yeah? What's better, coffee or tea?
>She cant say
>I say coffee, she says uhh i like tea but coffee too
>lets get some together then
>oh i have a boyfriend
>ok next debate which is better? 1 or 2 boyfriends?
>Her fat friend was kinda getting on me at this point
She was so mid and ugly I really didn't even want to ask her. my last gfs were so much more interesting, modest and beautiful. I fucking hate having to look for new bitches all the time.

>>34196362
sounds chill. maybe you'll see her again. if you do, suggest a study break at the university cafe. if that works, tell her you want to show her something in your dorm or car after about 30 minutes.

26yo first time doing all this with women. You know, the works. I think I'm gonna be alone in a quiet place with this girl I've been going out with and all I feel is to ask her, straight away, if she likes me for real so all the anxiety goes away. I don't really care if the answer is "yes" or "no". I just don't wanna feel like I'm playing a game I don't know. Am I crazy?

>>34197974
No it's normal to angst over this and clearing the air is the healthy thing to do

>>34191279
>it brings back bad memories of harmful exes
man why do you people keep getting involved with women that have all this baggage bro, you're making your fucking life harder for no reason
>b-buh I le luvvv her!!!
kill yourself. find a woman who isn't sick in the head from getting passed around since she was 16

>>34198437
Not him but love really does blind. If you have never been in (true) love you can't possibly understand. My girls was different (she was a virgin and all) but far more toxic as well. I still suffered through it until she decided it was time for the coup de grace.

>>34191347
I don't really place as much value on virginity anymore, don't know how or when it happened but there are other things I consider more important in a long-term partner. I mean think about it.. nowadays, finding a woman who's NEVER had sex? with social media corrupting their minds, dating apps making sex available on demand with zero effort, dudes with impeccable game who run through 5 girls a week, it's tough out there for someone seeking a virgin. unless you met her in high school and you took her virginity, forget it. or you could go to church I guess.

nowadays my priorities are

>never had any one-night stands whatsoever
>only ever had sex in long-term relationships
>maximum of 2 exes
>never solo traveled
>doesn't club/drink regularly
>ideally a small presence on social media
>never racemixed

still pretty stringent but achievable for a modern woman.

>>34198449
For some reason I have a very easy time finding virgins even when I don't care for it anymore either. It's much easier for me than to find someone matching your (totally reasonable and similar to mine) criteria.

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>>34197785
>tell her you want to show her something in your dorm or car after about 30 minutes.

>>34196362
You can't tell until you ask really.
You can tell if a girl really isn't interested, and by the sounds of it that girl didn't seem uninterested.

>>34171644
Went through this. In my case it was realising I didn't love her, I just loved that she made me feel loved. Once I figured that out, it kinda cheapened what I felt and was a good step towards moving on. Dating and fucking around is a good distraction.

>>34183428
by just changing every single routine in your life
question every single one of your actions
why do you do what you do

when you wake up what do uyou do
why?

if your life is sad, then just start questioning everything
change every little detail of it one by one
every routine

>>34171388
women under pressure love to get the biggest kitchen knife and ax countertops (my mother did this when I questioned her hoarding and snapped her) and their arms (lucky my gf who I was trying to break up with was wearing a thick long sleeve shit

they are desperate for attention sometimes with no street release valves or stress avoidance

now that I am experiencing suboptimal times, I must remember not to be a faggot

Be your own father is actually a great mindset to follow

a girl messaged me on an app
and asked if im free that same day (never happens)
so i was like maybe she's just dtf
so i said yea but at night only
she was like ok!
and with very little pressure she showed up

but she was quite shy and a bit awkward
and made it hard for me to do any moves
we went to a nice bar and had a pleasant convo
she even went up to my room, but wouldn't go inside
so i just grabbedf some stuff and we walked and chatted in the cold

but after that the awkwardness of that day, together with the drinking made me feel awful the next day. like i just tried to fuck a girl who wasn't interested like i thought she was

which spiraled into me texting every girl i could
and now i have dozens of messages to reply to
and it doesn't feel good

>>34198449
>never had any one-night stands whatsoeve
impossible
girls seek sex like men do
they just do it only to extremely attractive guys
and what happens, they get it and then they get pump and dumped
sex with an incredibly attractive person is pleasurable to both sexes

girls naturally want that, and it happens for them
id suggest crossing that one out.
unelss you're just going to believe her when she says she has never done that

>>34199059
what some attention does to a lonely mf
I feel you bro. Now you know to treat women like humans , seek ones with something interesting about them. Think less about pussy + penis = good.

>>34199059
>broken by a female sperg
lmao

>>34174793
be white, have a nice nose, light hair, no facial hair, have an aura of solidity and fatherliness

>>34191279
Do you realize that for her you are just her emotional tampon?

>>34199070
Believe it or not theres a whole gamut of attitudes towards sex for both men and women. A lot of women like casual hookups, and a lot of women avoid one night stands. Its not a hard fast rule that they all sleep around.
Also trust is probably the most important thing you need in a healthy relationship so coming out the gates doubting her wont end well. Not saying she wouldnt lie but then again a lot of women would be truthful too. Suspicion is a terrible way to start something

Sorry for not lurking guys just gonna blogpost:
Moved town to go live with a friend, looking for a job but also wondering if I should go out and look for women.
Sadly my friend only knows local gays so they have no girls (that don't want to be men) to introduce me to and I'm basically on my own and I don't even know where I should go from here.
I've been given advice like "go to your local book shop and make small talk" but that seems wrong.

Anyone zone out past their self awareness and end up messaging questionable stuff to women? Example.

>... I'd like to get into hunting as well
>hunting... ghosts? idk if I see you dragging a dead deer up a hill (maybe you get the reference?)

I like the spirit of defying being boring. And "dragging a dead deer up a hill" is a album by grouper. I guessed she would by into that type of music. It seems ok to say this stuff. But I guess it's demeaning to say this about someone's interests?

I don't know if this means I have autism or not.

>>34198449
>nowadays my priorities are
>>never had any one-night stands whatsoever
>>only ever had sex in long-term relationships
>>maximum of 2 exes
>>never solo traveled
>>doesn't club/drink regularly
>>ideally a small presence on social media
>>never racemixed
What if they lie about this?

>>34197974
you should just make a move her response should tell you enough. asking do you like me is kinda awkward bro you said you've been going out with her, why would she do that if she wasn't interested?? like just hold her hand when you're going out and walking around, when you're at that quiet place makes some jokes flirt a bit build tension and go for a kiss.
>>34199258
Nothing wrong with that. I suggest going to places that align with your interests though, that makes the small talk easier too.

>>34199291
>Nothing wrong with that
I can make small talk, sure, but how does small talk go from books to asking a person's number?

>>34199353
>hey it was nice meeting you but I gotta head out now, do you wanna exchange phone numbers?

>hey it's anon from the bookstore yesterday. are you free to go out and get some drinks with me this weekend?

Made a retard move and asked a girl to hangout at work that I've talked to barely twice and she gave me her number and I asked her out and she ghosted me but saw the message. The next day at work we met for a brief time and she made some small talk acting like nothing happened but she could have just walked past me and just said only "hi" so is this salvageable? Should I go up and talk to her again like we were before or will it be weird?

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>see pic rel posted by a random troon account on social media
holy fuck boys, it could so SO much worse

>>34199462
it was not a retarded move she simply was not interested. the next day she was just checking if you're a pushover and you showed her you are. no you should not go up to talk to her it will only make you seem more of a desperate loser. from now on only interact with her if it's work related.

>>34199506
>if you're a pushover and you showed her you are.
what was i supposed to do?

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>>34199514
unironically, from now on, do like this every time you see her. There is no other way to win

>>34171388
>le fruit wiff zee candle
>that'll be 25 dollars ma'am
>OH HONEY CAN WE GET IT? IT LOOKS SO GOOOOOOD
>(If you do I'll let you have sex with me, but I'm totally not a whore with extra steps)
Why would anyone WANT to put up with this shit? Jerking off will save you so many headaches

>>34199514
respond politely but distant, like coworkers that are not interested in anything more, unless you're planning to be her orbiter? because that's where you're heading right now.

I could see the possibility of salvaging it if you confronted her playfully and confidently (dont seem desperate) about how she ignored you asking her out, but yeah you need to be high elo for that.

>>34199522
I had this exact scenario with another girl at work and I tried the ignore move and she just ignored me back and we didn't even look at each other for 6 months. Didn't seem like winning to me seemed petty. We accidentally ran into each other while walking fast around a corner one day and we started laughing and after that she started trying to be friendly again but I kept ignoring

>>34199405
You're right I'm getting too much in my own head, it's no big deal to just ask a person's number.
I just don't want to come across as "that creepy guy who asks women for their number in the bookstore" or something.

>>34199547
That's why I said go to places that align with your interests, you weren't going to the bookstore to hit on girls, you were going to the bookstore to check out some new books to read and happen to notice a cute girl that seemed interested in similar genre of books. They will notice it anyways from the small talk. She's gonna ask you what books you like and you're response is oh I dont really read.... ???
Also you can try dating apps.

>>34199531
I asked some of the guys at work and they said what I did was fine but I should have just waited a few weeks of talking with her until she knew you better. They said it seemed desperate just asking immediately the first time you two had a good conversation.

> unless you're planning to be her orbiter?
My options are very limited I don't use dating apps so I would just like to salvage it if possible but I'm not sure what to do.

>>34199563
Alright anon, I'll give it a shot. I do read so bookstore is fine.
Dumb question but is there a particular time of day that would be best to maximize the chances of finding a girl to approach?

>>34199602
women are already calling out guys for doing that. The strat is dead. Find something else

>>34199570
>I asked some of the guys at work and they said what I did was fine but I should have just waited a few weeks of talking with her until she knew you better
I kinda agree since you're gonna see each other at work every day you could have just flirted and joked around there to build familiarity and gauge interest while keeping plausible deniability but also if she found you attractive enough she would have said yes anyways.
I dont know either how to salvage it, I dont really understand the mindset. If a girl rejects me I move on and try with the next one that catches my interest. Maybe it's cope but I'm only interested in girls that are interested in me. Be friendly because that's who you are not because you're hoping she'll give you a 2nd chance. Do not bend backwards for her, basically treat her like you would the other male coworkers.
>>34199602
women are humans like yourself. when would you go to a bookstore? I suppose weekends midday/afternoon.

>>34199289
Paranoia isnt healthy, anon. If you cant cultivate trust then youre going to be miserable
Inb4 you blame the state of modern women, just know that this is a personal issue that you need to work on

>>34199848
None of that really applies here

is it just me, or do 90% of white women in their 20s have tattoos now?

>>34200133
It's just you and/or your location

>>34200133
Yeah.

>new grad/1yr out of uni
>office job w barely any work
>intern joins team, she's cute into similar hobbies
>we talk for like an hour a day about random shit
>vibes are good

Alright guys whats the move here. I know she likes talking to me at least but she's kinda shy, like the type of girl to go to uni parties to not miss out but just kinda chill with her friends and not really do anything (idk if this is actually true but the vibe I get from her). Our age gap would be 3/4 years but bigger hurdle would be the work dynamic between us though it's not like she reports to me

Im honestly kinda it enjoying it rn cause I'm getting to know her and it's pretty chill but if all goes well I'd like to get her number. I work out often and I know she does a couple times a week, was thinking of asking her for a day pass to her gym and basically getting her number there but I'm also unsure if it's the best move. I'm 6'3" and pretty athletic so I think my odds are pretty good but really will depend on what she's looking for. i could also basically get her into some other hobby like reading and just chat about that to start, think she'd be pretty receptive and would honestly enjoy it

She'll be working with me for at least 4 months then I'll probably rotate to a different position, but if not we'll be working together for 8 months. Was thinking of waiting a couple of weeks at least (known her about 2 weeks so far). I'd also be looking for something serousish so would be hoping to start talking sooner rather than later before she goes back uni (which is about 1hr drive)

How does the game plan sound and would you guys do anything different?

>decide to dumb down my Hinge profile
>check a day later
>already got a like
Y'know I think being funny is more important than being smart or sensitive

I have enough experience with girls to know when its a good time to ask for a number/flirt. I've been passing up number closes a lot recently, just talking to people and girls and going away. Tonight I wanted to ask but ended up not. I sense a lot of hesitation from her, trying to stay in my space, keeping eye contact quite nicely... but she didn't really ask me any questions- at the same time I was kind of motormouthing.
>At grocery store
>see a cutie down the aisle
>stick to one section and look at the shelf
>She comes near me to grab something, I ask her what's a good thing to get from there
>she shows it to me and tells me about a meal prep shes doing
>I instantly think she's a total normie, has a basket full of goyslop, kinda a hit desu
>fuck with her a little saying I eat healthier food or somehting
>she sticks around, like she could have just walked away but she just stayed next to me even when I wasn't really saying much or just looking at the food. I didn't let the silence float to see what she'd do, if she'd ask me a question or just see herself out.
>kinda sperged a handshake/name exchange
>said bye
Feels kinda like a lost potential, but the fact that she ask me questions was kind of a tell from me.

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>>34200133
56% technically, but like the other guy said you probably have a worse selection bias

>>34200885
Sounds good. Normally I would say dont shit where you eat but shes an intern so not likely to be there long term.
Actually maybe you should get her number as a means to invite her to the gym

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Need to find more places to meet women irl. It's so hard.
I already volunteer and it's a good place, but still I only do it once a week.
Do you know of something else?


>>34192633
I've thought about this, as I drive a 2000 honda civic. I see manlets in their bmw's, and I guess it makes sense for them, but a fancy car matters to a gold digger. That's the type of girl you'll attract.
I've gotten pussy once despite driving this car, and I see dudes in shitboxes with qt's all the time. You also see the guys with nice cars with qt's.
I personally don't want to get a nice car, and then get a gf, and constantly wonder if she likes me for the external wealth I'm displaying. But that's me, i'm looking to date for marriage and children.
If you want to get head from 22 yo bimbos, definitely get a German luxury car or an Evoque.

>>34201385
You get about 2 seconds to elicit a positive reaction in a female's brain. Of course funny is better.

>>34177549
You smile to not appear like an autist / sociopath / retard. If they smile back, good. Well, almost. Does it seem genuine, or more like"well, he smiled, I'll smile back to not look like an asshole". You can drag this shit out a couple of sessions if you wanna take this really slow. But eventually, you gotta say some shit like "hi" and go from there. Need any more step by step spoonfeeding, or can you figure it out?

>>34193534
Why did she get divorced