is it possible that being a troon could ever be worth it?
>>34202570I think the current options are just not good unless you start as a very young child, but perhaps in the future. I say you just try to dress as stulishly and amdrogynous as uou can.
stylishly and androgynously*
>>34202570not impossible
>>34202570You will never be a womanThis is advice
>>34202570No
I plan to do it myself so I hope so!
>>34202570Not if you want to use the bathroom
>>34202570No, absolutely not. I say this as a guy who is more left leaning in the sense of let adults do what they want with their bodies as long as it doesn't affect others. However, becoming trans is more about trying to fit to social constructs and appearances than it is about anything that is internally determined. Do whatever you want with your dress and makeup but no point taking meds and undergoing surgery over it
>>34202570Being trans isn't something you choose to be - you either are you aren't.
>>34203420thats not true.
>>34202570Worth what?
>>34203476What the fuck are you talking about? You don't *choose* to develop gender dysphoria.
>>34202570Be a troon please. It's the best decision for everyone. Only the retards who can't identify the troon and get catfished will suffer. You need to mutilate and modify your body, give the surgeons some jobs and lessen the male population and you attracting another male so the remaining girls ends up to the proper guy.PS: I don't give a fuck about you. Enforce your genders to be what you claimed to be but we are entitled to free speech and how we see you with a penis down there or sound like ultra gay with a cracking voice makes you a gay guy no matter what.Go to /lgbt/ and see some torn off dicks and mutilated vaginas along with fake boobs. Your future partner will pleasure your fake tits and you feel nothing, react nothing because it's fucking fake my gay guy and fuck your fake pussy and you feel nothing but just pain of damaging the inside your drilled penis. You're nothing but close to a sex doll who can't react to sexual stimulation because you fucking mutilated your sexual organs that gives pleasure in the first place. You can just be a femboy where you pay nothing, lose nothing but be something.Is it worth it being a troon? for you no for all of us yes but we'll still say no just to screw you over and profit from your suffering and you'll just cope. Everybody is happy.
>>34203559you choose to transition
>>34203650Well, sure, but you don't choose to be trans, which is what you were claiming a couple of posts ago.
>>34202570>is it possible that being a troon could ever be worth it?If you are actually trans, then transitioning may well be the thing that makes you happiest.
>>34202570Not to answer with a question but worth what?
>>34202570No, never. And I don't just mean unlikely, I mean actually logically impossible. Happiness by its very nature does not and cannot come from any of the things you're attempting to change by becoming a tranny.
>>34203559Yes you do, in the same sense that you choose to be jealous, choose to be spiteful or choose to be greedy. Your desires and emotions are the results of your judgements. And in the case of trannies, their desire to be the opposite sex is based on the objectively false judgement that life as the opposite sex would be better. The cure for "dysphoria" is to simply get real and grow up by realizing that the grass is actually not greener on the other side.
>>34203668There's no such thing as a person who's "actually trans". It's a fabricated diagnosis.
>>34202570What do you mean, it's not like that's something you can choose if you're born with it?
>>34202570Maybe in the distant future.It seems like pure suffering currently. Lots of butchery and false expectations set by quacks for their patients.
>>34202570Can you have a real vagina surgically inserted? No?Then not really. Getting the penis chop chop slice surgery is just turning your dick inside out and you'll forever be in pain afterward. Artificial vaginas have not been developed (even though the tech is there). Therefore it isn't worth it.
>>34208963You're not born with it, it's absolutely a choice. Saying "i can't help wanting to be the opposite sex i was just born with this desire" is as ridiculous as saying "i can't help wanting a lot of money i was just born greedy". You're responsible for your wants and desires.
>>34208972Unlike most of the myopic retards on this website, I don't blame troons for being troons. Blame women for guzzling birth control and peeing it into the water table. Toxic levels of EE2 in the ground water is largely responsible for transgenderism, lowering sperm rates, the feminization of males, etc. And all of it is pegged to growing up in urban areas. How many "feminine" men do you ever see in the country? That's because they aren't drinking EE2 their whole lives.
>>34208977None of that has anything to do with desire, and it's not a matter of blame. It's only a matter of responsibility. Desires come from a person's opinions, and a person is responsible for their own opinions at all times. If a man wants to be a woman, it's because he thinks life as a woman would be easier, better, more fun, or more enjoyable. All of these premises are objectively wrong, which means his opinion is wrong. If he wants to stop having that desire, and he should, then he needs to change his objectively wrong opinion into an objectively correct one. The state of his body is in no way related to this process of purging unreasonable opinions and self destructive desires. Thinking that life would be better if you were a woman isn't inflicted upon anyone any more than thinking that life would be better if they were taller, richer, more famous, more muscular and so on. It's literally just a matter of growing up and realizing that those are all just fantasies. People who win the lottery don't become happier, and men who became women, even if such a thing were possible, would not become any happier either. They'd just have a new set of problems to deal with.
>>34208997>People who win the lottery don't become happierI beg to differ. > and men who became women, even if such a thing were possible, would not become any happier either.That's just an opinion. The reason 41% of trannys ack themselves is because even if they get SRS, its just mutilation and requires constant maintenance forever. If medical technology was there to give them the corresponding genitals they want, they probably wouldn't kill themselves, since it'd be "real" then. And social problems exist for everyone, so who cares about that. White guys just survived a 15-year long hate campaign aimed at them. They're doing better now.
>>34209008They wouldn't kill themselves as often because they wouldn't be mutilated wrecks living out a lie, but merely not killing yourself is not the bar for happiness. If a man could become happy by becoming a woman while making no other changes to his attitude, then that would mean by necessity that all women everywhere are happy simply by virtue of being women. But that's obviously not the case. Women find things to be unhappy about, which means that a male turned female would also find things to be unhappy about. Happiness doesn't come from your status in society or from your body or from your bank account. If you think that a change in any of those things can make a person happy, then you don't know what happiness even is.
>>34209034I'm perfectly aware of what happiness is. But what you're attempting to do is make some sort of weird moral argument about why they shouldn't just do what they want because you personally think it will make them unhappy. To which I say: So? It's not really up to you to decide. >all women everywhere are happy simply by virtue of being women.Women have never been more privileged, so they're probably plenty happy. At least until they get old.
>>34208972Well that's just a fundamental misunderstanding of what we know about how transexuality works though. It's about your brain anatomy being "misaligned" with your chromosomes, neither of those is something you choose
>>34209051>It's about your brain anatomy being "misaligned" with your chromosomesThat's wrong on every level. There's no such thing as a brain being "aligned" with any kind of chromosomes, and taking hormones doesn't change your chromosomes so it's not possible for "transitioning" to act as a "realignment". There are absolutely no biological factors in transsexualism, because if such a thing could exist then there would never be feminine gay men or tomboys.
>>34209041>To which I say: So?Then you have an absolute lack of compassion. I'm letting people know that happiness won't come from changing their bodies because I want them to find genuine and lasting happiness. The less time they waste chasing down the wrong trails, the sooner they may be able to set upon the right one. Nothing I've said even remotely implies that I think anything is up for me to decide. I just happen to know the truth, so I'm sharing the truth.>Women have never been more privileged, so they're probably plenty happyThey're less happy than they've ever been, in part due to that special privilege. Spoiled people don't become happy, they just get more and more demanding the more often they're indulged, to the point where not getting their way even once devastates them and sends them spiraling into misery. Happiness doesn't just mean happiness in the immediate moment, it also takes the future into consideration. Your view of well-being is far too short sighted.
>>34209105I'm obviously massively oversimplifying.You can have male or female sex (based on your chromosomes) and male or female gender identity (based on brain anatomy). Both of those are biological factors. In most people both of those line up, in a small fraction of the population it doesn't. People for who it doesn't are called transexual. It's really not that hard to understand.
NO>NO?NO!!!
>>34209254Gender identity is not based on brain anatomy even according to your own ideology, nor is it a biological factor of any kind. You're making contradictions in terms even within your own element. If any of this were biological you would not need to transition in the first place, because transitioning can't change biology. Wearing a skirt would not make your brain think "oh i'm a woman now" because the brain does not know what skirts are nor does it have any opinion on skirts. To think otherwise is to think that human beings somehow came into existence alongside skirts and frills since pre-history. It has to be social because society is the only thing telling you that girls wear skirts.>In most people both of those line up, in a small fraction of the population it doesn't. "Gender identity" doesn't perfectly line up with biology in anybody. No matter who you are, there is something you do or like that isn't 100% stereotypical. If "Gender identity" were biological in any way then ALL men would prefer blue over pink and NO men would ever enjoy knitting or cooking. Obviously that's an absurd position, but it's the one you're defending.>It's really not that hard to understand.It's even simpler than your description, because it's a non-entity. It doesn't exist at all. You have a body and a personality. That's it. There's no such thing as gender, no such thing as identity and no such thing as brain chromosomes. Nobody's body informs their personality any more than their personality informs their body. The two are entirely distinct, as evidenced by the entire human race having various likes and dislikes, fashions, cultures and standards.
>>34209254>gender is a social construct>except when it's convenient for me to be biological, then it comes from the braintrannies and their apologists are so dishonest it's unreal
>>34203559you ever notice that trannys only hang around other trannys? Both online and irl? Most medical transitions started around 2020. Hmmm very strange. 40+ year olds and even minors. And they hang around other trannys. Hmmm.
>>34203559no, you don't choose to develop gender dysphoria, but you do make the active choice not to identify, work on and fix the underlying mental illness causing it.
>>34202570I think it is worse than suicide. Suicide is bad yes, but you're dead and gone left only to memories and stopped possibilities of others that might've needed you now or in the future. Ultimate selfish act but that's where the damage stops, because you couldn't handle it. By trooning out you're dead and now a proud sex zombie walks in your place destroying all your connections, being the worst kind of person (because what else do you have to lose), and dragging your former friends, family, any men you try to trick into sleeping with you if you end up being a rare one that looks good, to hell with you, while making real women worse as a whole. Also with God out of your life you will only have satan to turn to and you'll join the organized worldwide movement with the rest of them. It's sad to say but I wish my old friend would've taken the first way. Now he lives as representation of my kind's mortal enemy. And he looks like a disgusting clown who last I heard from was sad he was reminded he could never be a real mother.
>>34209286>even according to your own ideologywhich ideology? Listening to what the consensus among neurobiologists is?>>34209316You choosing to misunderstand the point doesn't make it wrong.Gender roles are probably a social concept. Gender identity comes from your brain anatomy and develops in the womb. The two are very clearly distinct.
>>34209840There is not a single neurobiologist on earth who would agree with a single thing you've said. Nothing in your posts could be considered accurate by any measure.
>>34206043worth being weird freak and everyone is grossed out by you and lose family and friends. but upside that there is a chance you could pass as a real woman
>>34211943>a chance you could passThis is what /lgbt/ calls the biggest passoid
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