Why did I end up a kissless dateless handholdless virgin at 28 years old, when every single other man I've ever known in my life didn't?
Well, whatever sets you apart from them is not working for you, so I guess figure out what that is.
>>34204161Standards too high, effort too low.
Meet more men. You'll stop being the only kissless dateless handholdless virgin you know.
>>34204161Because you closed yourself off at 16 and built up copious ways of avoiding interaction with the world.
You don't know enough guys
Not enough party crashing.
>>34204161(You) missed Uni? Shagging was embarrassingly EZ there. In my 20s as well when I began doing drugs. Clubs Open near where I was into like 10:00 AM and EVERYONE was high on Ecstasy and Cocaine. Then (You) go some degen's house and keep going and smashing drugs while people shagged in the bedrooms on Viagra and such...WHAT A LIFE!
>>34204272Holy shit, how did you know? Is there a way around this that isn't just trying too hard to be a normalfag stereotype to cope?
>>34204161Is this supposed to be your ideal woman at 28?
>>34204429Because it describes 90% of 4chan.And you need to realise that >just trying too hardand>normalfag stereotypeand>copeare part of the barriers you built between yourself and the world.
>>34204161Because you didnt try
>>34204161Not lucky enough. There are guys who are objectively worse than you and they're not khv.
>>34204161Because you lack confidence and you're boring.
>>34204455For millenials/Gen Z.
Because you have never asked a girl out.
>>34204161because you didn't subject yourself to the humiliation ritual of online dating.never too late to start, anon. after a few thousand swipes, you too may find yourself a roastie who will cheat on you in a few years time.
>>34204161Either because you have a dealbreaker preventing you from getting a girlfriend or you are just unlucky
>>34204161How are we supposed to know?I'm in a very similar situation and the reason is childhood trauma crippling up my ability to enter into relationships with people
There's a good chunk of women in the same boat as you - 30's and never had a romantic experience for a variety of reasons. They just don't tell, because this is much more embarassing for a woman.With guys, they'll at least understand you might be on rough spot, focused on career, religious, etc. And you can wait. Women? They're expected to always be in a relationship or they will become ostracized spinsters
>>34208852>never had a romantic experience for a variety of reasons.Are they usually ugly or mentally ill? I've never met such women and I work in 80% women office. They all have bfs
>>34208867Some are. Some are traumatized, others come from very strict backgrounds, others have severe social anxiety or irrational/induced internalized misandry, despite being attracted to men.
>>34208885>irrational/induced internalized misandry, despite being attracted to men.care to elaborate?
>>34204161>Why, no, I never DID ask a single girl out in all of my life. How could you tell?
>>34209892In some places, mostly impoverished that puts men in precarious positions, women tend to share their vastly negatively experiences with such. And some pick these up as indicative that they should not trust or date men. However, much like incels, it's just a façade. Deep down in those layers of man-hating conodrums, they are lusting for that sweet little roofer who's done a job in her house 3 weeks ago. Sexual attraction is a bitch, and it's hard to resist its pull.
>>34209913Girls can speak up too. Its 2026
kek'd when I found this pic I made from 2022. This is why I don't bother any more.
>>34204161Your parents were neglectful or emotionally immature so they overprotected you. As a result you felt ashamed and got bullied in school for it, you didn't develop the social skills of low stakes trial and error that goes in school. You focused on surviving alone and set on following social rules like "no sex before marriage", "no teenage sex", "no dating in school" or anything else adults said to protect their institution and not develop children. You took pride on following said rules, and thus you felt you deserved the best girl available as a reward for your efforts. You went to college which was hard and spent time staying afloat. Time passed and you realize all the low stakes interaction environments are gone and all that's left is the afterwork coping places of bars and dating apps. You still haven't resolved the coherence between the tenets you held and the bonds that develop in a relationship, so you're frustrated and hopeful within the next 2 years something can change by taking light self-improvement measures such as going to the gym and meditating. You still don't bear the wage of ageing upon your shoulders.
>>34210953Honestly last 4 don't look that bad and they could be nice gals. But i would be suspicious of someone who describes herself as "startup corporate strategist"Yeah man, people age. Wrinkles, hair loss, diminishing expectations, problems everywhere, kids, dying parents, etc. Unless you're a NEET that stayed out of the sun in your whole life, these things will happen.
>>34204161Simple: You believed the lie your mother told you: "be yourself".To get out of it, you need to go and kiss some girls. No chick wants to be with a loser, they want someone above them on the SMV scale - so - fake it. Never admit you don't know what you're doing. If she looks at you funny ask her if she prefers it a different way. continue to pretend and you'll get there eventually.
>>34210968you're right, but what now? as you say, the low stakes interaction environments are gone and I'm not about to wreck my life and start making up for all the irresponsible shit I could and should normally have done as a teenager, when society was willing to look the other way.'try to live a life you don't hate, take some steps to self-improve and hope for the best' is the only thing you can do at that point.
>>34211132I think what to do next depends on the person, so no answer will ever sound clear.Lots of people in this world. For starters, some hate effort, and they streamline into doing the only one thing they like and they become happy. Some people gave up, packed up their interests and decided to be servants to society, they got rewarded and are content with the rewards. My own heart burns, with the passion that moved me and the hatred I've accumulated, my biggest fear is to lose that flame and let myself become a servant to the powers that be, because I know at deathbed I will regret my only single life was spent without living my choices. Last post was my life's story and Just from not being able to fix the things and having gone through all that, it feels like a part of me died and I mourn it. The choice is not clear to me yet, but what I did 2 years ago was go back to college and try something. I fell in love with a girl and confessed for the first time, I didn't have any sort of good advice so I told her what I felt directly (because therapist told me to) and then pretended to be a jock because I read that shitty 'Models' book. She went her way and I'm still stuck. I failed the year and the weight of all things is back on me.You have to seek those low interaction environments again, be that uni, language classes, gym, all of it involves paying and you must stop feeling hurt, feeling heavyness, overthinking things. You need friends to take you out of that headspace. None of it will come to yourself, and the strength to seek all that, is not easily found either.I'm working up the courage right now. I give you now what I feel nobody gives me, or that I fail to receive. Go out there and try college/class/ or just talking to someone in the park. You will not fail. I believe in you because you're the same as I, and I hope when you find the courage you will be able to inspire me next time I make a thread.
>>34204228Basically this. Also standards gets heavily inflated when you spend too much time on the internet. You keep seeing very attractive people and you slowly begin to think that level of attractiveness is the norm.
you didnt try hard enough to speak to women regularly quit your job, go to university for a new bachelors degree and this time focus all energy on meeting women and speaking to them as much as possible
>>34212590>quit your job, go to university for a new bachelorsder schooler still hasn't figured out that you can talk to women outside of school, or that you can just hang out on campus while taking a part time class
>>34204161How many women have you interacted with irl in the last decade or so OP?I'm guessing the number hovers at zero or pretty close to it.
>>34211117How do you know he really did "be himself"?Personally I'd argue the opposite. Think about it: he wants women, but did nothing whatsoever to get him closer to that goal. If that's not being not true to himself I don't know what is.
>>34212590>Schooler sightingJesus Christ this freak is still alive and shitposting here? I haven't seen him in months, maybe like a year it feels like.
>>34212597>you can talk to women outside of schoolNot to start relationship from scratch. There's nothing to possibly say. >or that you can just hang out on campus while taking a part time classThere's no part time class, you're at work and then you have to keep care of your house.
>>34212615>Not to start relationship from scratch. There's nothing to possibly say.People have lives and hobbies outside of school. Even when you're in school you still have to talk about things that happen outside of school. You're not gonna sit there and talk about homework with your wife for 50 years of marriage.>There's no part time class,Yeah there is.> you're at work and then you have to keep care of your house.keep care of your house? It's a fuckin house, not a newborn baby or a puppy, what do you need to be spending all your free time around your house for?
Schooler, stfu pls and thx
>>34212615>There's no part time classI don’t know what country you’re from but here in the US you are absolutely allowed to take a single class per semester. What else might blow your mind is you’re allowed to take any class you want provided you meet the prerequisites.
>>34212623>People have lives and hobbies outside of schoolnot from scratch, all of it is build on school or people they already knewYou're not going to sit there and not speak a single word at all to women for 100 years and wake up one day with a wife, you need to speak words and to do that you need to be in school. In order to start the process of speaking you need school or existing mutuals
>>34212639Aren't most universities modelled the same? You enroll for a major, most classes are only taught in either semester and if you fail them you have to wait till next year.Yeah you could enroll for one class, then people ask the unc "yo whatcha doing here?
>>34212642I've met more girls outside of school more than I ever did inside of school.
>>34212686either through people you already know or just lying
>>34212690No I enjoyed meeting new people and making new friends & dating new girls.I'd say it was probably 50/50 split between meeting girls online and then meeting them through my hobbies and interests and lifestyle.
>>34212683Tons of people I know go to school part time like that. Yeah, it takes them 8 years to finish a bachelors but they can work at the same time and dodge all the debt. Dude, there is no such thing as graduate “on time”. That shits a meme. If you got a degree your probably gonna have some white collar job, which means even if you graduate at 30, you still have forty (40) fucking years of career ahead of you till you retire, if you ever do.
>>34212698Nope, you can only meet them in school or through mutualsOnline there's mathematically no option to speak to a woman and hobbies and interests and lifestyle do not allow for any speaking to women for first time>>34212700That's not how school works retard
>>34212683>>34212700I'm not American so out education system is a meme when it comes to the difference between college and university, but basically I used to take night-time non-credit bullshit classes like learning a language or creative writing or html basics and so on, 3 hours a week or something, and then just hang out drinking coffee and smoking cigarettes and weed on campus for like 15 hours a week.
>>34212723Uhh yeah it is. I took 6 credits my first 3 years at a community college and worked at the same time. I would’ve (and could’ve) taken less but I needed at least 6 for grant funding. I got my degree in mechanical engineering, what did you get yours in?
>>34212700I graduated medicine on time though. I enrolled back for CS but failed because I couldn't style web pages.>40 yearsWhere the fuck do 70 year olds keep working? No way that's sustainable man, some politician will change it to artificially lower unemployement.Besides, the point of doing that is to meet people long enough to build a relationship, and that involves the shared purpose of graduating. Well I don't know honestly, I did enroll but spent the whole time working hard the material, it was a repeat of my original degree. Young people attend morning classes also, the "part timer" schedule is bound to have odd people such an autists instead.
>>34212723If you had any real interests and hobbies and sort sort of lifestyle to speak of you would meet people online, you would meet people all over the city, and you would've met girls also in school as well the first time around instead of feeding yourself copium for the last 5-6 years you've been schoolposting about how -next time- you go to school you'll somehow figure out how to talk to people about music and movies or video games and sports or anything at all.
>>34212756Also, the important thing is to join clubs, not attend the classes. To hang out on campus is almost the same as cold approaching at the mall.
>>34212756>Where the fuck do 70 year olds keep working? Bro, here’s how it works. Once you hit 20 YOE in your field, if you are even slightly above average at what you do, go try and retire at 55. You know what happens? All the peers and connections and people you met over those 20 years are gonna call you up and say “hey man, I know your retired but, ugh, we could really use a little bit of expertise now and then”. Then they’ll make you an offer to work part time as a “consultant” for a ridiculous amount of money for the work you’re doing. The deal they strike will be so good you just can’t find a reason to turn it down unless you take some serious dose of fuckitall and ghost everyone in your profession.
>>34212756>Besides, the point of doing that is to meet people long enough to build a relationship, and that involves the shared purpose of graduatingYou can actually ask people out on the first week or first day of classes, you don't need to spend 8 years in someone's classes and then graduate with them before asking them out.
>>34212756For example, my father in law is a doctor. He’s pushing 72. He makes extra cash handing out MMJ cards at some clinic. Shit ton of money to ask “does your back hurt or do you have problems sleeping?”
>>34212759Nope, because no one allows you to speak in the first place so no one knows about your interests and hobbies and sort sort of lifestyle.No one in city knows any of it because to know each other you need to speak using real words and to do that you need to be in school, in other places you dont have words or phrases that can initiate the whole process in school you do. I already know how to talk about everything in the world. If you stopped lying to yourself and got educated on how social interactions work you'd also knows this but instead you decide to daydream that one day 100 years from now on you will wake up with a gf without having to say any words
>>34212780>>34212773Only now I realize as a graduate you're supposed to sell "consulting" services to dumbfuck investors who jumped into the water blindly, and you're NOT supposed to become a wageslave for a big company until you save to start the business the dumbfuck investor is running to the ground. Also that a big deal of working is plain lying, acting and pretending you know things, seeking things to blame failures on and go on as if nothing happened. All of it skills I don't have or morals that go against my values. Got fucking cloth cut for me.>>34212775Sheesh man, You can if you have charisma and basic skills, I have noted in particular you gotta act first month or first 2 weeks, gotta act fast. Specially because valentine's day is at the start of the year, most cliques are preformed and stay solidly, etc. Anyways, the matter I pointed out was that maybe you don't really care about the thing the degree you chose and are just in it to pass time, I don't know. I'm in that boat right now and my plan is to take it easy.
>>34208852>this is much more embarassing for a womanI can assure you it isn't. The male virgin is the butt of the joke in every movie or TV show. You get to live life feeling like everyone sees you as that fat guy in Malcolm in the Middle.You hear about a woman being a virgin and you just presume she's either highly traumatised or a nun, and you leave it there.
>>34212813Brother no one is allowing or disallowing me to speak to anyone, anywhere.I can speak to anyone at any time if I feel like it.I prefer girls that are more in line with my own lifestyle and interests and so on so I'm not wasting her time or mine.The point is that students in a school are still humans in a world before and after their classes. Whatever you would've talked about with them inside of school is all things and events and places and concepts that exist outside of school.People bond over their shared interest of RPG games and fantasy novels, their love of anime, their punk rock lifestyle, being huge horror movie nerds, being fitness freaks, being druggie ravers, being juggalos, anything and everything that's not exclusive or even related to school.
>>34212973I feel like the female virgin trope in sitcoms and comedies is less prominent but much more insulting whenever it does show uplike>This fat bitch is a FEMALE virgin? What the fuck! I bet she wears her glasses all crooked and collects dolls as an adult!
>>34212994I mean, that's literally the guy in Malcom in the Middle.
>>34208885I have encountered the variety of woman who grew up in places like Tumblr loudly broadcasts that they hate men (and intermittently goes through lesbian phases that don't really stick), and then complains that they're lonely.I mean, what do you expect, honestly?Men don't really have high standards, but they do want to be around someone who is nice and isn't putting them on trial the whole time.It's a shame, because they would be cute, if it wasn't for this personality trait specifically. Even now I can't actually bring myself to dislike them. It's just a shame that they hate me.
>>34213017Sure, but then you've got shit like the flute girl from American Pie who was played by one of the most attractive girls of the late 90s. If you wanna talk unrealistic body image and self esteem issue where the grossest weirdest most unfuckable girl is just some beautiful actress who they just have wear a big sweater and maybe some glasses.Or how they did the Carrie reboot with fuckin Chloe Grace Moretz lmao this absolute ugly LOSER FREAK who's gonna get bullied so hard in school for being such an UGLY RETARD BITCH VIRGIN LOSER that it's gonna give her demon powers, is portrayed the single most attractive and beautiful teen actress of the time.It would've been like if prime Justin Bieber or Justin Timberlake or some other teeny bopper also played an ugly virgin nerd loner loser.
>>34210953Top left to bottom right, I'm not going to rank them, I'm just going to say smash or pass:Smash pass smashSmash pass smashSmash with a brick, smash in every hole, smash in every hole PhD teacher wins for me if you combine looks + profession. Amy wins in hotness from all of them, and if you combine profession with looks she still follows second place because she's a shark and probably not a very nice person to be around due to her profession, but she's extremely hot so she gets second place. The rest - given the option, I wouldn't go for any of them, but might make Rachelle do anal with me so I can watch her cute pudgy body and red face pant and stare at me while her gaping asshole leaks my cum. It'd make me feel good.
>>34213047All of those characters are basically bait for teen boys to fall in love with. You know that, right?>she's unpopular which means she might love ME! She's also a ten!It's a whole genre of wish fulfillment.
>>34213082but they're not portrayed or seen as attractive in any of the movies - the joke is that they're weird and gross and unfuckable.Guys like Greg from Malcolm in the Middle exist, and they typically more or less look like that as well. Rather than looking like Steve Carrel in 40 Year Old Virgin or the main nerd from Revenge Of The Nerds.
>>34213097The joke is not that the red haired girl in American Pie is gross and unfuckable. Trust me.>Guys like Greg from Malcolm in the Middle exist, and they typically more or less look like that as wellOh nice. So, "fuck you for being fat. You deserve to be the butt of the joke" basically?
>>34213114>The joke is not that the red haired girl in American Pie is gross and unfuckable. Trust me.It is literally that. She's annoying and weird and autistic towards the main guy for the whole movie and then the big funny twist towards the end is that one of her annoying music nerd stories about band camp is how she stuck a flute up her pussy at band camp. haha.and his reaction isn't "I got a flute for you right here baby!!!" it's more like "YOU HAVE A P-P-PUSSY?!" and he's clearly not turned on, he's mostly confused.>Oh nice. So, "fuck you for being fat. You deserve to be the butt of the joke" basically?Greg's problems wasn't that he was fat, it was all psychological.Everyone on Malcolm In The Middle is either psychotic, neurotic, autistic, or borderline retarded - sometimes all of the above just to get some jokes going.Even if Greg wasn't a great big fat guy he would still be awkward and mumbling "oh uh uhm h-hi lois can I look at your pussy please" and then lois would say something like "Damnit Greg! I gave birth to 5 boys my pussy looks like it's 8 pieces of chewed up gum stuck under a middle school desk!"or something like that, that classic Malcolm quippy humor
>>34213147The whole narrative of the movie is that Jim's perfect woman is right next to him, and it takes him the rest of the movie to realise it. And then there's a whole sequel where he marries her.I'm startled that someone can misinterpret American Pie, of all things. It's made for 14 year olds.
>>34213189Yeah but Jim isn't a Chad either, he has sex with an apple pie - the titular American Pie. He also cums in his pants where everyone watching his 1999 livestream video laughs at him in school because he came in his pants haha.
>>34213207Jim is supposed to be relatable to the audience. He's a teenage boy who doesn't know what to do with his urges.Honestly, it's really strange to see someone not get American Pie.
>>34213226The whole premise of the movie is a race against time for them to have sex before prom because everyone else already did. They make it a joke that even the nerd guys had sex with their nerd girlfriends.He fucked a pie too. Have you fucked a pie?
>>34213333every male fucked something weird when they were that age.I put a pencil up my ass once.
>>34213035>Men don't really have high standardsNeither do women. Neither anyone really. Life's an eternal disappointment from the moment the egg existed before time. It only takes a brief unfortunate moment to truly reveal our frailty and the shackles of an undesirable fate.We just pretend we're something. Some pretend more than others, some embrace a more humble position. Either way, it doesn't matter which path anyone takes - the end is all but the same....What? I didn't do it. I don't know what any of this means. Anyway, you were saying? Oh yeah, it's true. Some women are insufferable, really. I'm sorry your empathy isn't appreciated. You deserve better.
>>34204161because you fell for the meme that the past defines you. just pretend like your life restarted. you're on a new game save. you can now fulfill your desires.
>>34213351Nigga, other people don't do that. You're just a faggot.
>>34204161Because some people come out wrong. America's mistakes.
