Ya know, I've been trying nofap + noporn on and off the last few years. I can see the point in doing it if you already have access to sex with women, but I don't really see the point in doing it if you don't have access to women. As an incel that's more indifferent to women than hateful, it kind of just feels like a humiliation ritual. I'm already getting no pussy, let me just deny myself the pleasure of busting entirely then! This thinking just makes me feel even less than human. Some dude grew up with a chick that became his gf and let him develop his ability to talk with women. Some guy managed to be born in a body that became 6ft plus and girls started wanting his attention. I'm just not sure how to cope.
>>34207396The problem is that it doesn't stay a pleasure. Just like with gluttony and greed, eventually it becomes a source of pain and regret. And the more habituated you are towards it, the more you leaned on it for comfort, the harder it is to stop, even when you're past the point of it actually being comforting.
>>34207396If you don't get women why do you need to cum?
>>34207447So you're saying I'm less than you because you lucked into pussy?
I think you have too much free time and it is not good for you
>>34207454I work a full time job and go to the gym twice a week. I can Incline bench 250lb, Squat 315lb, and do pullups with 25lb. I'm just short and have Indian phenotype so I get no play in America.
Pic related my body
>>34207465Gym is a normie cope, just do peps if you want a good body, still it is nothing, working takes 10 hours of your day and gym shouldt take more than an hour
>>34207490And what do you do all day?
>>34207499Fishing, biking, vidya, taking care of my little farm, posting on /x/ and sometimes reading books. I gave up on working once i realized money is fake and gay, now I live off welfare i got by faking autism papers
>>34207452No? I'm saying if you're indifferent to women and plan on being celibate, it's a better use of your energy to not become a gooner.
>>34207428>gluttonyNo it fucking doesn't. Shoving food into my mouth is one of those things that always make me happy and it never gets old. I just need to switch around types of foods. What I absolutely love is getting stoned and then filling my stomach to its literal maximum capacity because then I can eat like a pig without feeling "oh I ate too much". And then I place cookies in front of me so that I sustain the feeling of being absolutely fucking stretched. The trick is that I do a lot of homecooking, fast food is indeed disgusting.Sex (or masturbation) and food are two things where "hedonic treadmill" doesn't apply because the time needed for your receptors to fully recover is ridiculously short. Two days without nutting and on the third day I'm cumming buckets. This is because they're the most basic biological functions to sustain life, like breathing or pooping.>>34207396I haven't had sex in years. I'm gay so theoretically I could just go to a gay bar and fuck random guy but if there's no romance then it feels really sad and I'd rather masturbate because most normies are trash and not worth being intimate with. IMO the only reason why you'd want to do nofap is when you train yourself to become a sissy or a cuck or something, because the whole concept "masturbation is bad, m'kay" is stupid and there's no benefit beyond placebo effect.I have above-average intelligence which means that it takes me much less time to deal with all life responsibilities like work, gym, maintaining social life, etc. I spend my free time mostly just fapping and I don't see what's wrong with that.
>>34207396The worm needs to worm. If it doesn't, you will just wet the bed. I certainly did when I tried NNN for example. If you have no current access to women, why deprive yourself? Unless you are a christcuck I guess.
>>34208268Are you femboy gay or muscular bearded men gay?
>>34208268It does. You just haven't hit that wall yet, but you will. "Receptors" have absolutely nothing to do with it. Pleasure never ends in fulfillment and always ends in exhaustion, so turning to it for comfort will become a disappointment someday. No one thinks it will happen until it does, and it always does.
>>34207396I’ve never once thought masturbating was bad. Cumming feels amazing.
>>34207396The fact that he's posting on r/atheism shows the gayness of that guy in your pic.You are not, ever, pressured by some otherworldly being to not touch yourself. Religion, morality, and expectations were ALL developed by humans, FOR humans. Besides this, what you are - a human, is factual. What you do on your own to survive, is what you must do. It is your nature to eat, to sleep, to cum, to socialize.You are so correct that it does not make any sense for a man dying of thirst to take a vow to not drink. You're not going to magically reduce your dependence on water, like I said there are things that are FACTUAL to your nature and biology as a human male, and cumming is one of them. DO NOT deprive yourself of that pleasure. The people who tell you they hit a wall are affected with misdirection. They believe that the CUMMING is what's CAUSING their problems. When in fact if you look at the most common problem for example - NOT getting a girl has very little to do with whether your shpritzer has shpritz'd in the last day.feeling like shit because you neglect eating, sleeping, because you use your phone too much, because you drink all the time - that's not cumming's fault, there is myriad reasons for why your life is fucked, and cumming is a very small part of it.If you spend all your money on prostitutes, or the porn you watch is illegal, yeah that's a problem, but that's still not a problem that is solved by not cumming. Cumming is a natural urge for a man and suppressing it will bring you pain and anguish.You're a human, accept it. Work to make eating, sleeping, cumming, socializing and working out, easier and more accessible for you and more EFFICIENT and faster delivery system. Find friends close by, find a gym close by, buy food to your home in your fridge, work out every day to make yourself tired so you sleep better, cum long ropes before bed that really helps me personally and I look forward to it before each sleep.
>>34208713So many "never" and "always", even contradicted by your own hand.Brother you have a problem that extends BEYOND cumming, and you KNOW it. So don't try to bullshit us that cumming IS your problem. Silly decepti- I mean recepticons
>>34207396You don't really need to do nofap. Noporn is still necessary because it's no different from being addicted to drugs. It's bad for the brain and makes you retarded.
>>34208800>being this defensive and hostilehe's right, you're just an addict in denial.
>>34208790>The fact that he's posting on r/atheism shows the gayness of that guy in your pic.If facts and logic and not being a slave to an imaginary sky wizard are somehow considered "gay" now I'm proud to be Liberace
>>34208908Facts and logic are the foundation for the understanding that a deity does and must exist. Atheism is a modern superstition invented by people who weren't smart enough to understand philosophy. And religion has nothing to do with it, this is something that was known since before even Plato was born.
>>34208640I'm an average straight-looking gay who's into big bearded men. If I could I'd be a femboy but 1. my physique is too masculine 2. twink death>>34208800Never gonna let you cumNever gonna give you cumNever gonna cum around and stimfap you
>>34209421The grossest gay
I am a man of God but I still jack off to porn every now and then. Just not all the time like a new gooner. I have included in my talking to Him that lust is just too hard to knock, especially with all the hot girls and influence around. I'm sure He understands. I condemn those women and if I could save them I would but the bark is already off the tree and no sense letting it go to waste now, and I am really horny. What I do is not hurting anyone or bad for anything. I would give up porn if everyone else did, and there was a way to actually have relationships to replace it. But til then, I'm only human. If you don't, you'll just have sex dreams and cum while you sleep anyway.I worry though that my lust right now is inconsequential, but one day it might lead to actual prostitutes, maybe drugs, and more degen stuff. But first, I'll give it my all on real women attempts.
I took the middle path in the picture
>>34207471Bruh, your strength means nothing if you look like this. You gotta start cutting now so you look good in the summer. You are also probably bloated. Your squat and pull up really is not that good compared to your incline bench. Do more legs, itll burn more calories and also help the rest of your body develop.
>>34209503>What I do is not hurting anyone or bad for anythingThat's a lie. You're hurting yourself.>I would give up porn if everyone else didThat's a lie. You would be just as overtaken by lust even if everyone else became pure.>If you don't, you'll just have sex dreams and cum while you sleep anyway.That's a lie. Your dreams are reflected in how you live your life. The reason that you keep having sex dreams is that you keep watching porn.Being dishonest with yourself and with God is an even graver sin than masturbation. You can beat lust, you just aren't willing to put in the effort. The desert fathers were right about everything else, and I believe they were also right when they said that any man who dies with passions in his heart and attachments to the world will have no place in heaven. If porn has such a hold on you that you can't let it go, how do you expect to ascend? You'll stay down here where the porn is, because that's where your heart is. A soul can only move towards what it loves, and you clearly love sensuality more than spirituality.
