I wanted to be a guy most my life. I always tried to make just being a tomboy work, but I've been finding it really hard to be okay with just that lately.I started looking into transitioning, and I feel like I have a path to manhood, but I'm worried I won't look normal and I'm worried I won't be able to get a bf.Do guys date FTM people like me, and is it too late to start at 23?
>>34228320Pooners are laughable manlets with horriffic surgery disaster scars at best. You might as well jump thru a plate glass window instead for all it will do for you feeling better or being attractive.
>>34228437I don't feel like I have a lot of options. It feels like either I transition, or I stay miserable stuck with these ones capable feelings my body isn't right.
>>34228320consider this; is this what you want?>injecting yourself with testosterone, changing yourself completely, both mentally and physically>most cis straight men being completely uninterested, and potentially disgusted in you>more people thinking you're projecting on the outside in terms of transitioning please consider this.i'm a straight white dude myself and I personally, nor would 90% of my friends, date a FtM. the only ones who would are either desperate, believe they can change you back to female, or mentally categorize you as a woman.
>>34228320FTM is one of the worst things you could do. Why do you think there’s so many MTF? Women are privileged and much more sought after.
>>34228501That feeling is wrong. "Transitioning" doesn't do anything and you'll still feel like your body is wrong except you'll be scarred, unhealthy and filled with regret. The root cause is not your body, it's your own perception. You need to learn how to become an individual, rather than someone who chases labels and stereotypes. You shouldn't "try" to be anything, just accept that people are all individuals and that there's no need to force yourself into a mold.
>>34228320The oldes FTM tranny Buck Angel told that her womb fell out after 15 years of T and it almost killed "him", good luck tho.
>>34228501MTF is hard. They're caught in a political crossfire and hate mobs. They get next to none medical support and their rights are often subject of debate/threatened. To pass, they really need to go through several procedures and undertake social reconditioning and voice training... So they need money, which is really difficult to get because trans people are heavily discriminated in the work place. Many just opt to become sex workers, because that is (unfortunately) their only option. That or they die of starvation. Because likely they have been disowned by their families.FTM is nightmare on earth hardcore. Take all that from above and now add this: You won't get any support anywhere, will most likely be seen as a creep and an abomination. Rejecting feminity in this society is like stomping on a baby. And as the final salt in the wound: you won't be even able to do sex work. The worst profession in the world, sure, but at least it could pay the bills. It is hard. Hard. Lord knows who some of them survive...My vote? No. Sadly it's better in the long run to be unhappy with your body. The consequences and social-economical toll this decision carries are really, really massive. Unless you have a loving family that can support you, please don't. This is a massive mistake...
>>34228320Only deranged bifaggots would.You might have decent chances among furries, but you're definitely going to end up catching something.
>>34228320Lmao no you fuckin weirdoYou know what you look like to real men? Like a fucking hobbitWeird small and uncomfortably hairy like a child with a beard
>>34228320The first step to getting past the tranny crab bucket is to look reality in the eye and admit you'll never be a man and that all "transition" does is turn you into an abomination slave to Big Pharma and scream that you're a basket case to anyone with a little sanity. Giving in to delusion isn't going to attract a man who actually cares about your well being and happiness; at best you're getting an ideologue that gets off on you destroying yourself. Work to get past the delusion--if you can't become a man there's no point in thinking about it, putting mental energy into playing pretend or wishing for it; shut that shit down--and figure out what you want in a partner and out of life (I sincerely hope your end goal wasn't "I become man hear me roar") and set about getting it.
>>34228320what you have to realize is that the grass always seems greener on the other side, even if magic or super science existed to give you your own personal dream body and the lifestyle and nobody batted an eye at your choice it's still your own romanticized version of it.take it from someone who used to have a tg fetish as a teen, it's not worth it.
>>34229083I don't think it's a delusion, they really feel as they were born in the wrong body. Can you imagine yourself mindswapped with a 25-year old starbucks basic girl? It must be hell having to adjust to periods, creeps everywhere, inability to go out past 10PM, enduring a stream of comments about your body and habits...I would fucking hate this. Where's my itching balls? Why cant i go out at 1AM and not having to worry about bad stuff? Why my friends wont shut the fuck up about my unkempt hair and casual & loose clothes? Why can't i lift the sofa?The problem as you point out, is the cost and sheer amount of procedures necessary to attempt to make it 'passable'. Many are highly experimental or downright impossible.Not to mention the amount of shit you'll have to go through to get those procedures. And the side eyes on the streets, being instantly rejected in all sorts of walks of life as soon as they see you... It sucks. We're just not ready as a society for that. Going this way is just asking for endless suffering...So, when these eternally online communities cheer for people to transition, they need a goddamn shot of reality to understand the massive undertaking they will have to go through. It's not pretty out there...About big pharma: don't worry. That's a really, really, really tiny amount of their profits. Very, very, very insignificant. You know what's selling like hot cakes now? Take a guess.
You will look like Hank Hill instead of Timothée Chalamet. If thats more your thing i guess go for it. Otherwise try the nonbinary stuff
>>34228320I think most gay men would at least consider dating pic related - he was born female.
>>34228320>I wanted to be a guy most my life.Every girl I ever met who says this really mean they want to be big and strong and tough and respected, men are big and strong and tough and respected, therefore if I become a man I will be big and strong and tough and respected. Men are not big and strong and tough and respected by virtue of being men. Masculinity is a world you have zero access to because of immutable biological and sociological facts that cannot be changed by all the chemicals and psychological conditioning in the world. You will not be big and strong and tough and respected by pretending to be a man. In fact the opposite will happen. You will feel smaller and weaker than ever when thrown into an environment where the defining characteristic is you have been thrown to the wolves.
>>34229478I just feel useless when everybody fusses over me like they think I need a man in my life to take care of me. I'm attracted to men, but I don't like feeling so small beside them. I feel jealous when I see guys out in the world doing the kind of stuff I'd get hassled over. I want to feel like I'm tough and cool like Jensen Ackles, like I can do whatever I want.>>34229380Would people take me seriously as an enby? My enby friends say nobody respects their identities. I don't completely hate being feminine, but I want my identity to be respected and it seems like people respect binary trans identities more than non-binary ones.
>>34229566>enbyThat's so much better. Just be okay with people using wrong pronouns, it's fine. You get some more wiggle room to experiment with stuff while not commiting to something really drastic. And a nice support network too.>people respect binary trans identities more than non-binary ones.No. Trans people are literally crucified on a daily basis...
>>34229566Blame biology, you're never going to be on the level of most men physically barring heavy roid usage and living in the gym and even then you're still going to be short. Going on TRT, cutting your hair, and insisting everyone else call you "sir" isn't going to change this so you may as well accept it and change the things you can.
>>34229337>Can you imagine yourself mindswapped with a 25-year old starbucks basic girl? It must be hell having to adjust to periods, creeps everywhere, inability to go out past 10PM, enduring a stream of comments about your body and habits... NTA but I stopped reading here because you began with a false premise. If I were mind swapped then all my memories and experiences would be as a man so yes it would be jarring. If I were born as a girl though I'd be a girl.There's nothing wrong with someone being a bit of a tomboy, or interested in guyish things. What's wrong is this predestination crap. Nobody is born gay, nobody is born "in the wrong body", nobody is born to DO anything. You choose your actions and how you live your life. You can be born with predispositions (like being born with higher testosterone than the average female and therefore being predisposed to like aggressive hobbies like sports, or being born with more plastic brain wiring so you can mask the interests of guys you're interested more, ect) but nobody is born predestined to do anything.>>34228320So to answer your question: I don't think you should do this. I can't make the decision for you, but I think it's a mistake. I'll pray for you.
>>34229636What do I do then? Just suck it up and feel like shit for the rest of my life? I've tried not feeling this way and I can't get rid of the emotion.
>>34229566>but I want my identity to be respectedThen stop having an "identity" altogether and be an individual. There's no such thing as "enby" and there's no such thing as "transgender". Just be a human being. You have to stop looking to other people for approval, or else you'll be miserable for your entire life. Identities are spooks. They do not exist, nor could they, because they self contradict. By even calling yourself "enby" you're implying that women MUST behave a certain way or else they stop being women. It's has bigotry and sexism built into it, which makes you a ridiculous contradiction.
>>34230303No, you learn how to find genuine happiness and self worth. Nobody in human history has ever been happy while obsessing over their body or their station in society. The only people who ever find contentment are the people who learn how to stop worrying about those things. You have to look inward and develop an actual personality that you can be proud of inherently, rather than obsessing over what others think and demanding that they be proud for you. The path you're trying to go down is one of perpetual and permanent misery, because it depends on other people's opinions.
>>34229566>jensen Acklestell me your a fujo without telling me you are a fujo
Medical malpractice is the #3 cause of death in the US. H1B "professionals" kill people with anesthesia alone, and you want to take your only body under their knife. Please, please don't do this.
>>34230786I do like yaoi, but there's nothing wrong with liking yaoi.>>34230815I already have to go to the hospital a lot since I had an accident a year ago that messed up my legs, but they're almost well enough to walk on and the hospital isn't that bad. I probably wouldn't be alive right now if I hadn't gotten put "under the knife" after that accident.>>34230365I don't see the sexism when I'm not saying anything about other people I'm only saying that for me specifically I don't identify a certain way.>>34230373That makes sense I guess. I just feel kind of helpless, and I don't want to. I also had a little hope that with testosterone helping to build muscle maybe I could finish rehab and get back to walking again faster if I started hormone replacement. I hate feeling like I can't do shit on my own.
>>34230896>I don't see the sexism when I'm not saying anything about other peopleLet me put it to you this way: How does the sentence "I'm low IQ and I don't know how to read so I must be black" sound? Obviously it's not making a statement about only the self, it's also making a statement about black people as a whole. "I don't like wearing makeup and I don't shave my armpits and I like sports so I must not be a woman" is literally the exact same. You are explicitly and broadly stating that women CANNOT have those traits. It's objectively sexist and bigoted.
>>34231000>You are explicitly and broadly stating that women CANNOT have those traits. It's objectively sexist and bigoted.I like makeup and I do shave my pits tho. I plan to keep doing those whether I transition or not, bc I feel like a guy inside. I also like to do geeky computer games my dad got me into and when I wasn't having health trouble I liked playing ultimate frisbee. I have masculine and feminine qualities, everyone does.I just feel that the core of who I am is more of a masculine person than a feminine one, and I feel like I'll be more at ease with everything when my body aligns better to that feeling.
>>34231017>I have masculine and feminine qualities, everyone does.Exactly, which means nobody is "non-binary". It's a fake category invented by sexists to cover up their sexism. Just admit that women are allowed to like those things and move on with your life. Stop kowtowing to stereotypes and bigotry by othering yourself. The moment you do that, you're reinforcing the very same societal pressure that made you feel uncomfortable in the first place and you are now pushing that societal pressure onto others.>I just feel that the core of who I am is more of a masculine person than a feminine oneNo. Again, no such thing. You literally just admitted that there's no such thing. "Everyone has masculine and feminine traits". That means that there's no such thing as a "masculine person" or a "feminine person". You're just a person. Your biological sex is irrelevant because if anyone is allowed to like anything then biological sex cannot be relevant.>I feel like I'll be more at ease with everything when my body aligns better to that feeling.Not only will you feel less at ease, but you'll be dooming yourself to a perpetual cycle of trying to "align" with society's stereotypes. You have to realize that the thing you're trying to force yourself into is society's mold. It's not natural and it's not right. It's literally the same as if an asian person forced himself to take karate lessons so that he could "align better" with how society says asians ought to be. That's what you're doing.
>>34231031>No. Again, no such thing. You literally just admitted that there's no such thing.I wanted to communicate the idea that maybe masculine/feminine aren't like specific traits but a general vibe that accumulates in one direction or the other and some people are predisposed to going one way or the other? Like I think I have a masculine aura.
>>34231250And why would you need to destroy your body in an attempt to "align" with that "general vibe"? If you already have that "aura", then you shouldn't need to change anything. And how would you ever expect to precisely "align" with something that's as impossible to nail down as a "general vibe"? The idea that you need to change your body so that you can chase an archetype is flawed premise right out of the gate. Why not just be your own person and say to hell with archetypes and stereotypes? Anything that you have to "chase" in the first place is automatically performative, which means it's not sincere and it's not really you.
>>34228320(Answering kinda reads like I'm asking you out, but I'm not and I feel like I should make the disclaimer that I'm answering as someone who is a guy)>I'm worried I won't be able to get a bfDoes it matter if he'll be trans or not?>Do guys date FTM people like me, and is it too late to start at 23?I probably would if I knew you, but it depends more so who and how you are more than if your trans. My parents might not wanna see us and I do want a family, but adopting was already in my plan if I were to marry a man (if no kids then like a pet turtle). And nah 23's not too late, you're gonna grow older whether you transition or not(Again answering as a guy)
>>34231276But we have to chase things to achieve anything in life, like studying to get a good job. I get than transitioning isn't an easy life. I see some trans men and how their transitions went and it looks like they got everything I want. I feel like I can have it too, seeing how they achieved it. I'm a little scared of stuff like the "womb falling out and dying" thing that one poster mentioned.>>34231412I'd date another trans guy, sure.
>>34228320>Do guys date FTM people like me, and is it too late to start at 23?it's not too late, but realistically it would definitely fuck up your bf options>I started looking into transitioning, and I feel like I have a path to manhood, but I'm worried I won't look normal and I'm worried I won't be able to get a bf.it's possible you could look normali think it's a bad idea personallyif you're unhappy/depressed it's probably for other reasons, maybe loneliness or lack of real connectionsit's up to you, thoughif you make the wrong choice, it'll be a huge setback, but not the end of the worldu can transition & detransition, or transition 5 years lateri really implore you not to fuck with surgery though
>>34231753Turning yourself into a shallow, soulless stereotype with zero individuality is not an achievement, it's the opposite. It means you absolutely failed the first and most basic step of life, which is to become an individual who thinks for herself.>I see some trans men and how their transitions went and it looks like they got everything I wantThey live every day of their lives wallowing in regret. There is not one single person who is happy with their transition, because the problem was never their body in the first place. The problem was always their attitude, which is the very thing they tried to avoid fixing by focusing on the body instead. And it's the thing you're trying to avoid as well. You don't want to put in the work to become your own person, you don't want to develop the courage necessary to stand up against sexism, and you don't want to have to earn respect through the merits of your character. You want a shortcut that gives you automatic respect by virtue of your "identity" alone. So you're trying to hack away at your own body until you fit into a mold that you think grants automatic success and respect. It's a mistake no matter how you look at it, and you'll regret it for the rest of your life if you go through with it.
>>34228320>Do guys date FTM people like meNo. Mtfs turn into whores, ftms turn into sad sacks nobody wants. Gays want real penis, women want penis or female body(dykes), straight men want female body, tranny chasers want chick with dick.
>>34231753>I'd date another trans guy, sure.You might have better chances with them over regular guys in general(?), so that could work in your favor if chances with regular guys are too grim. Give a shot
>>3423204I genuinely don't understand the level of disconnect with FTM
>>3422864390% is generous. No one besides a degenerate freak would date or even bang a FtM
>>34228320Transitioning is a false promise. You will never be a real man. You just won't. Nature didn't make you that way. You can play pretend and crossdress, be a lesbian or a tomboy or whatever, but you can't change your sex. Don't even try. You might as well ask to be a different race or a different species. I wish you well in dealing with your identity crisis, but transitioning yourself isn't going to turn you into a man, it's going to turn you into a freak. A surgically mutilated, drug infused, unnatural freak. You will never fit in with real men, you will never be accepted into their group. Men won't be able to look past your female nature because men are wired to behave differently around women, so not only will you be a freak, you'll be a lonely freak. You will never know brotherhood or camaraderie. They won't ever truly open up to you. It's not worth irreversibly transitioning yourself just to learn that. I'm sorry. Even now I'm rewriting this trying to be less harsh to you, knowing you're a girl, because as a man I just default to that without thinking. That's just the harsh reality. I'm sorry to be the one to tell you but you'll be better off if you don't transition.
>>34229566>I want my identity to be respected. Already failed as a man right there. Men don't WANT respect. They either are respected or they aren't. The respect they get is earned on their own actions and achieved on their own volition. Every man lives with the day to day reality that the world has complete and unending contempt for them by default. That society is completely indifferent to their feelings. If you want anything resembling respect as a man, you're expected to achieve it. And same applies to safety, dignity, honour, all those higher actualisations...Wanting those things inertly, whining about it, feeling entitled to them is chick mentality.
>Asking 4chan about transitioning >Asking 4chan about anything masculinity related >Asking 4chan in general At best you get armchair psychologists that don't know shit. At worst you get raging transphobes. Mostly you'll get opinions from people who don't know shit about either transitioning or masculinity, because most of the "men" here are insecure little boys that try to project their own rigid definition of masculinity onto others to experience at least some feeling of power or control. Talk to trans guys. See if their experience is similar to your own. Figure out if they are happy with the choices they made. And remember that the purpose of labels isn't to provide a box for you to fit in, they're descriptors of who you are or want to be.
>>34228320DO NOT DO IT.You won the fucking lottery being born female. Why the actual FUCK would you give that up? Being a man blows fucking ASS and you wont realize it till its too late. Think you're miserable now? Imagine being a man, nobody will touch you. You are expected to do all the hard dirty nasty work. And don't even THINK about expressing any kind of feeling. You are the shoulder to be leaned on, but nobody is there when you need one. Oh, and be sure to pay up when you go on a date. Plus tip!Fuck I'm not even doing a good job of explaining how fucking horrible being male is, someone help me out here?
I went on a cam website and I was looking for MTF trannies but I found ftm trannies I started talking to one of them and she had hairy legs and body but her figure was that of a woman and she 100% acted like a woman it's like a MTF tranny fucking someone, you can't unsee that it's a man doing that, same thing. I've fucked with trannies and their bone structure is a dead giveaway. Everything else is plastic and hormones, can't really fool someone that's not intoxicated. The smell, the touch, it's not the same obviously lol. Anyways that ftm tranny was just a horny woman I really didn't quite understand why tf would she try hormones or anything like that I even talked about fucking her and she was into it. I found ftm trannies on tinder too and they want to get fucked like girls. If you transition and end up like that your choices are gonna be like a minority of freaks or curious people that's my guess or someone so desperate for pussy that they will put up with anything lmao. Anyways I'm saying all of this because idk, maybe to give you another perspective you can take in account. Hormones and transitioning and all that seems like a massive hassle and a headache too and I've had surgery before and I know that after it bo matter how good it was the body ain't the same afterwards so it's like a last resort type of thing, getting surgery I mean.
>>34228320you mean full transitioning like removing tits, etc.?I would suggest only taking steroids and hitting the gym without removing any organs and you should be good if you are only jealous of power. Even among heterosexual guys you will find people who like roided muscular girls
>>34228320>transitioningit's a name to convince retarded goyim to permanently scar their bodyJesus Christ, you can't change your genderJust live as a masculine fucking woman and that's it I'm a guy but I'm a little bit feminine and I just am a little bit feminine and that's itTransition doesn't exist It's a word that too many have been brainwashed with
>>34232710>transitioning>transthose are spooksthey dont actually exist you brainwashed roastie
>>34232710>don't talk to people who know what they're talking about, talk to groomers who will lie to you to affirm their own false identitiesReal predator energy coming off of you. How did you even become this evil?
>>34232710>So you wanna pretend to be a man? Don't talk to real men. Talk to fake men, like myself, who understands what being a man is like, despite not actually being one.
