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>>34234732
oooh girl that OP be doin' a lil summ'n wit dat thumbnail

>Been in talking phase with a friend of mine
>We always go out together for lunch, to the gym, pick up things from the store
>When we walk together she’s nearly always rubbing next to me or right beside me. We’ll keep eye contact together when we see each other
>Too autistic to figure out how to take it further
I feel like I know she likes me but I just don’t know how to take it a step further without coming off as an autistic retard. Were gonna be seeing less of each other in about two weeks because she’s switching up her job role but we’re still gonna be living near each other. I thought about just telling her that I want to see her more when she “leaves” or just telling her how I feel but I don’t wanna come off to hot. I haven’t gotten this far and I don’t wanna fuck this up

>>34235319
>>When we walk together she’s nearly always rubbing next to me or right beside me
Bully her then hold her hand

>>34235319
Let's say you're walking her home from the store together and you're dropping her off. Do what anon above said. If she's willing and reacts positive you basically got the green light. Idk make a joke about how she's cold and always rubs up to you when she does it. If she shys (jokingly not in disgust) away grab her hand if she pull in closer also grab her hand. When you're holding hands for a bit and you're getting close to her house or wherever you split ask her if she has plans on valentines if she says she's free ask her out for dinner. You can ask her to come over at the end or try to get back to her place.

Went out raving yesterday. Got with a friend of a friend dancing making out grinding. Tried to go back to hers but she wasn't down, even the (girl)friends were asking her if she was going home with them or staying with me so I guess I have their approval. Not like my dick works on candy but would have been nice to cuddle to sleep. Maybe next time I'll definitely see her again on next raves anyways.

>>34236015
Nice anon. I've learned to appreciate these moments of clear attraction, sex itself is not so important.

Really thought this last one was going to be the one, but I guess not. Life goes on.

I think one reason young men have such severe whiplash when they try trawling for pussy is that there have been precisely 0 accurate portrayals of women in any form of media for the last 60+ years (though virtually all of western media in history paints an extremely rosy picture of women in general). You see women in shows and movies and cartoons and everything and maybe they're played by women actresses or voiced by real women, but they aren't women in essence: these characters say distinctly male things, carry out male reasoning, engage in male behavior, have male-like motivations, because they were written by men and were stained by our fantasies of women being just like us. The worst example of this is anime girls. Or, if the media was written by a woman, the women characters will be essentially be perpetually on the edge of their luteal phases or on the cusp of menopause like the writer herself, and the full depth of woman's nature is deftly obscured. Her real, full nature is alien to a man, deterministic and animal and unrelatable frankly sad. In the core of her own fantasies even she recognizes she is literally just a fuckhole and nothing else.
tldr real woman not act like show, stop expecting them to.

I matched with a nice girl on Hinge and we have date planned next week. Should I be messaging her daily still?

I matched with a girl on hinge a few days ago and she agreed to get drinks tonight (I actually just asked her a few hours ago). Does this mean she’d be down to hook up tonight? If so, how do I indicate this/convince her to get a hotel room?

>>34237535
horrible position to be in desu
>>34237771
>convince her to get a hotel room?
Is this some American thing or something? Just take her home or go to hers?

>>34237806
>Is this some American thing or something? Just take her home
I live with my parents, and she lives kinda far from me, so that's a no go.
>or go to hers?
That's a possibility, but I'm not sure how I'd get her to agree to bringing me over. I've only been with one woman before this, so a lot of this is new to me.

>>34237806
>horrible position to be in desu
I'll message her tomorrow, I guess.

>>34236509
Insightful and I agree completely, doesn't help that if you try to point out that women aren't like this constructed fantasy you'll get people from all sides trying to attack you

There is this girl that just turned 18 and really likes me. Is 25 and 18 years old that bad? It seems really bad to me but I'm conflicted between my ethical side and my edgy nihilist side.

I most likely will never be able to make a gf irl. I think discord is my only option atp. How is it usually for people with experience? I’ve been on discord for years and never managed to do the e relationship stuff.

>>34237535
Yeah, like 99% of girls will like it.
Sadly if the date is several days away there's a high chance she'll flake, keeping the convo going improves the odds she'll go through with it. Never reply too quickly, try to match her energy and message frequency.

I don't recommend it, but if you don't want to keep messaging, at least you should give her a heads up, like 'I'm really looking forward to our date on (x day), I'll talk to you on (day before) to confirm the time/place'. You can also throw in something like you'd rather get to know her in person than in text for now as an excuse.

Whatever you do, ALWAYS talk to her the morning of the day of the date, you don't want to talk to her 2 hours before and getting hit with a shitty excuse.

>>34237771
its like you're talking about scuba diving but you're barely out the kiddie pool anon...

just focus on making the best impression on the date

>>34237771
Youre not hooking up, just have a good time and tell her shes pretty

>>34237535
I dont mean to be too negative but this seems to happen way too often for me. A girl will agree to meet but its like almost a whole week later. Sometimes we still meet up but a majority of the time IME they will ghost or come up with an excuse to not go. The strongest indicator is how much she engages during the week so if she willingly replies to messages then its a good sign. If not, then match her energy, be polite, and hope for the best but dont expect much.

>>34237535
I'm not very sure, but knowing that women dislike eagerness, I err on the side of texting little. Many times I don't text at all after we've solidified a date, even if it's a week out. I'm busy and I figure she is too, plus I'm not really going to put so much hope into it especially if I met her online, she could be totally different irl, so why invest so much?

I have no clue how to escalate.

Where do women go for hookups, I've been insanely horny recently.

>>34238911
They really don't, millenniettes are old and hitting menopause, zoomettes either fuck chad directly off dating apps or are too neurotic and fucked up to do anything other than thirst trap from the safety of their bedrooms, and gen alphettes are still in middle school

>>34238920
Wtf am I supposed to do?
What are cougars/milfs doing?

Got a friend who is feeling burn out of his relationship, he feels like he doesn't love his girl anymore
I've been there before and I've ended relationships because of that feeling, but it got me thinking, are you supposed to push through these feelings? And if so, how?
Or do you just end your relationship?

>>34239031
>Wtf am I supposed to do?
The indian guy at the fbi assigned to monitor my posts, if he knew english, would not be happy to read my advice
>What are cougars/milfs doing?
Hanging out at bars that are priced like vegas clubs but are marginally less seedy than a small town canned-beer-only sports bar. They aren't significantly less picky than their younger counterparts either as my milf hunting buddy still strikes out often

>>34238920
Just because millennial women are getting older, does not mean they will refuse hooking up with men they are attracted to.
>zoomettes either fuck chad directly off dating apps
True
>or are too neurotic and fucked up to do anything other than thirst trap from the safety of their bedrooms
This is not them being neurotic/fucked up. The reason why it appears they aren't "doing anything" is because they are not attracted to most men.

>>34239058
>This is not them being neurotic/fucked up
A quarter of them take psychiatric meds lmfao

Looking for any sort of advice. How do I be more intentional in my dating? The pattern goes: A few matches but not many, talking, date, then it falls through/I get rejected/we have a short relationship which dies in like 3 months. I get so burnt out that I have to take a break every time. It’s not even the rejection that’s the problem. It’s this cycle that burns me out. I don’t think the apps are worth the time im trying to put myself out there but I recently moved to a new area and have no social life brakes a once a month techno/edm event. Whole situation makes me feel invisible of like I don’t have anything to offer. I’m turning 31 this year.

Any advice on my fuckup >>34238909
idk man I want to make up in the future and be better

Like a gay man should respect that they should not force a relationship on you, you should not force a relationship on a woman. Boom incel fear destroyed.

I get my heart set on anyone who gives me attention or the initial liking phase which just ruined a chance with a women i now believe was taking a linger term approach but you can never be certain. I just blurt out that i like them via txt and they said they just saw me as a friend even after obvious over the top flirting. The flirting almost felt like mocking or practice for her. I just said if you like me you could of said something instead of playing games. I have no ability to play games and am not really romantic to the point of wasting years trying to impress someone while they play hard to get. Will probably try to get a columbian wife from columbia.

>>34239066
I think blaming medications is a huge cope and cop-out for people who just don't want to address female nature. Women would still post thirst traps regardless of their mental health.

Anyone noticed or suspected that women feed off of mens actions a lot more than words, looks, intentions etc. This explains a lot of the patterns in the dynamic between men and women. They don't care about your intentions etc, thats why Jeffrey Epstein was able to hang out with so many beautiful women in their 20's going by the pictures im seeing on /pol/. Those women were prepared to do stuff for money or fame, they didn't care if he was a good guy or not because genetically over thousands of years it woyldnt matter if a man was good or not, what mattered that he could provide resources and not get killed by other men and therefore protect her and the offspring. But women ultimately want someone they can feed off energetically in a manipulative way. They want you to be 'kind' ie they want to beable to manipulate you in their own way, and if you are difficult to manipulate for them, they won't like you. Men and women can never really get along, men need attention from women or they get depressed and rejected fron society. You will see a lot of the marriages that have survived are ones where the women is content having a husband she drags around like a puppy or a handbag like the man is a shell of his former self. The women has hollowed him out and lives inside his soul as a skin suit. Women are also not as trustworthy as thet used to be, they have no sense of responsibilty of how they should treat men.

Been seeing a girl for a bit over 3 months now. After the first month I told her that we should probably cut things off as we are not a good match.

A week later we saw each other again and decided on fwb. Since then we have seen each other constantly every week at least once unless one of us was on holiday. I think we both got lost in this fwb thing.

I don't know what I want from her. We got the same insecurities that I thought I left behind, so anytime she shows hers I fall into old habits. Other than that she is the best person I have ever dated, cutting her off would mean that I have to go looking for someone who roughly resembles her characterwise.

Physically she isn't ugly but, even though I hate to say it, history has shown that I could do better. Also I will be graduating from uni very soon, so idk know where life is going to take me geographically.

Writing this I just realized that she once told me that she doesn't want any kids of her own when we were both shit faced drunk, but that she would be fine with adopting them. I want my own children though. It's the kind of criterion that trumps everything else, there is no compromise in this kind of question and I think I already know the answer to what I want from her, I probably just can't accept that the won't be a future for us.

I don't know any women. Sometimes when I walk and see a cute one I wonder if I should make a excuse to talk to them like asked ng for directions or something but I haven't planned further than that

>>34234732
Gf is very sensitive and often emotionally down. I'm very sensitive as well desu, even though I don't show it outwardly and can suppress my emotions.
She's also very jealous. Over time I started walking on eggshells: filtering what I say, avoiding topics and suggestions (games, movies etc.), changing behavior to not upset her. If she feels hurt, she sometimes withdraws or goes silent instead of talking it through.

She says I don’t understand her and recently mocked me for trying, which made me break down. I feel drained, tense, and depressed, not relaxed or happy and giddy like at first with her. I still love her and want this to work out again.

She says she wants me to be gentle and considerate, not careful, but I don’t see how to be relaxed when mistakes lead to irritation or disappearance. I don’t feel trusted, and neutral things get interpreted as intentional provocation (saying good job in games to others for example. If it's a female player it's over.).

At this point the relationship doesn’t feel as fun or supportive anymore, very heavy and draining. I care about her, but I’m burned out and don’t feel like there is a lot of emotionally safety going on anymore.

How do we fix this and can we return to how things were? Sweet, wholesome, curious, explorative, loving, bubbly?

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>be me, participatin in sports club weekly
>approached by a girl a few weeks ago for casual conversation, after that keep talking to her multiple times every week
>interpret that and her glancing/smiling at me as interest
>ask her out today after another group hangout
>get almost instant "I'm sorry"
SO HERE I AM
DOING EVERYTHING I CAN

I know it's ultimately for the best, but I'm gonna spend a few days crying like a bitch about relationship never meant to happen.

>>34239073
Social hobbies i guess, or just stick to apps. Idk what to tell you. Maybe if youre going to keep swiping, be more discriminating? How many times are you the one rejecting the woman? Try to avoid progressing to a relationship with people you dont actually love

>>34239312
People who cant fully commit to ending a relationship only ever set themselves up for misery. If you ended it then dont contact her, and especially dont do a FWB. It sucks that you feel empty for a little while and that you have to start from scratch but being a grown up is follwing through on your choices no matter how inconvenient the feelings are

>>34239479
Break up or find a way to work on character and mutual trust. A lot of this sounds like a her problem (not that youre blameless) so if you cant get her to change then it seems like breaking up is the best option

>>34239183
>people who just don't want to address female nature
I do not think female nature is playing out, y'know, NATURALLY in a generation of women who take hormone-wrecking birth control and mind-zapping psych meds like candy. In fact in the former case it objectively can't be as what we call "female nature" is largely due to women going in and out of ovulation which birth control stops, even a -pilled ass nigga like yourself should know that. This is inarguably compounded by their frequent use of antidepressants and SSRI's. But sure get cute and passive aggressive you autistic faggot that'll earn you a truckload of crease
>Women would still post thirst traps regardless of their mental health.
They'd be going out to get fucked by chad more frequently if they weren't drugged out of their minds. Most chads I know fuck less every year and they're not getting less chad-ly. All data points to gen z WOMEN (not just men) being the most celibate generation of women we've seen in a long time, in a culture that entirely encourages whoredom. Either hypergamy has literally made them all incapable of getting off to anything less than the werewolf trillionaire CEO love interest in their favorite shlickfic novel, or the drugs they're taking with massive frequency are indeed fucking their libido up. Probably a combo of both.

>>34239684
It’s such a hellscape out there dude. It’s mostly me getting rejected/ghosted if I even get to that point. Other times I’m just invisible. I’ll walk out when things are fucked, but I’m probably not rejecting/being discriminating as much as I should. Your last sentence highlighted something I need to work on. I’ll stick around if I think they moderately like me but Im not exactly taking time to determine whether I’m happy with them. Basically because I don’t know what I’m looking for, I’m not being discriminating, and settling for someone I think marginally likes me. That’s kind of depressing desu lol

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How do I tell girls I wanna get pegged and bullied on my bio without coming off like a coomer freak?

>>34237771
How did it go, soldier?
bless us with a greentext

There’s a girl working at a drugstore, roughly my age (21–22).

I want to get her contact info.

Me: I have zero experience with women — no dating, no casual interaction, barely any communication at all. I can tell that my social skills are bad overall, so I’m unlikely to handle any sort of small talk well, because I’m just not interested in talking to pretty much anyone. I don’t really have a fear of rejection or whatever that cringe thing is called — i’m generally condescending toward women and don't really take them seriously, which may help.

What options do I have to at least increase my chances? Because the only idea I have is to buy some cheap crap and bluntly ask her for her number, like "can you give your number, please?". That’s why I’m asking for ideas.

Also, it's open 24/7, and I’m pretty sure she works night shifts. Maybe that'll help somehow.

>>34240211
yeah nah that never works.
You need to test the waters before diving in.
Just talk to her casually. Say something like "How is your day going?" or "I like your sweater."
Based on her response you'll know if she's interested at all.
If she is then have a casual conversation with her.
>Any plans for the weekend?
>No not yet, how about you?
>I'll probably go for a hike, it's supposed to be nice on Saturday
>oooh nice where are you going hiking?
>that trail by the lake, have you ever been there?
>noo I haven't but I'll have to check it out!
>We can meet there sometime! why not come along Saturday?
then she'll either agree or say she has a boyfriend or whatever. End of conversation, have a nice day, no embarrassment because you were being friendly instead of hitting on her

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>rationally understand female nature, hypergamy, AWALT, have seen it play out IRL over and over again to cartoonish extents, experienced it myself plenty of times
>still have insatiable urge to drown a lady in affection and kiss and snuggle and pamper her like a little baby princess
>tfw can never indulge this urge lest I get instacucked
I guess that's what LLM coombots are for

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Hey yall, I am having a minor freak out episode over this so I hope someone can just tell me to calm down and maybe give some pointers. I met this girl a week ago who I really hit it off with, I got her number and we met up two days later. No touching, just talking and stuff. She seemed pretty insecure but interested. I chose another time and date and she agreed, this time I took it a little further and asked if she wanted to make out (sort of unprompted cause I have no game) and she laughed and said she just got out of a relationship and sorta high fived me (?). we talked for another hour and I ended up leaving, not super awkward but it definitely could have gone better. I am not used to this phase of a relationship, I have only had one other real relationship and it lasted 4 years. Help me out, do I give up or just be patient and wait? She probably is telling the truth but I feel like I messed it up and should just focus on finding someone else. I also dislike the idea of getting into a relationship with a woman who JUST got out of a pretty long term thing even if we really hit it off.

>>34240272
Don't ask to kiss/touch her, just do it
>sorta high fived me (?)
I don't know how she sees you now, but it's definitely not as a potential romantic partner
>I am not used to this phase of a relationship
That might be because you're not in a relationship

>>34239470
>like asked ng for directions
if she's receptive you segway the conversation to being about her and lead it to exchanging contact information

>>34240239
this sounds like a chatgpt type of advice. i get this is most likely to be trolling, but if it's not i already regret posting that here.
no offence,

>>34240331
thats lile exactly how you pick up up girls anon

a simple casual chat that segways into getting her number or making plans

>>34239479
This dynamic of an obviously emotionally stunted women living in my home would be very hot for me. I have a massive erection just thinking what it would be like to tie your girlfriend to my bed and have wild sex with her untill she explosively orgasms all her problems away

You all let me tell you something the cope that at least I'll have a tranny autistic gf is false. A tranny autistic gf wants an incel chad to be in the closet to date them, not the ordinary incel. Besides if you get to being a chad incel you'd be so attractive you'd get a goth girlfriend anyway. So this idea that being gay cuts corners is an urban legend set up during the 1970s. It's false. Besides why force something where your sexual performance is disturbingly piss poor anyway? Unless you are trying to be a bisexual chad which none of this advice applies to you, just tty to find the right woman.

>>34240528
>tripfag babbling retarded nonsense
Daring today aren't we?

going to see my slampig in a few days. Kinda don't want to... convince me not to, Zach

>>34240538
If you don't like her don't see her, simple as that.

>>34240184
It went well. No hookup, but the conversation flowed easily, and I kissed her at the end of the date. She texted me this morning, and I let her know I had a good time.

Not sure how to proceed to the next date. Do I just set something up again, or do I continue
with small talk over text.

>>34240552
she's ok but yeah I don't like her. I just want to get my dick sucked again.

>>34240538
You know it's worth it, no matter what she looks like.

How can I attract an older woman? I'm 31, recently had to move back in with my parents in Florida due to being laid off and I really want to dive face first into older milf/gilf pussy down here. Any advice? I used to find women my age on dating apps but I don't know how to find older slutty women. I'm near West palm beach Florida if it matters.

>>34240583
As long as she knows the rules. Sticking around with women you don't like isn't good for either of you.

>>34240592
Sounds easy. Make some friends in the area and go out on the town. If you want sluts, try after dark.

I matched and made a date with a girl online, we have a lot in common and had a nice conversation. She has a really good job too. Problem is, I am not sure if I am physically attracted to her. She isn't ugly or anything, but plain. I plan on going on the date no matter what, but has anybody ever been in this situation? What happened?

>added a girl
>instantly accepted
>dm'd her few days later
>had a few dates
>got laid yesterday
i enjoyed it but i don't want a relationship
should i tell her or just if she asks what do i want

i want to date more attractive girls

how? i've already maxxed physique

>>34234732
Stop posting these images they're fucking disgusting, I'd rather look at literal shit in a toilet than this.

>>34241185
hi edgelord

I'm in the mood, are you in the mood?

I'm telling you all, one of the easiest ways to know if you are getting a girlfriend is if everytime you are with her things are moving towards a positive stable direction. If things stay flat, are going backwards, or are trailing off, the relationship is fucked. Just read how things are stable with the person you are with. Are you noticing her adding things to your life or doing nothing at all?

>>34241096
Had one like this the other day. Pictures had the typical "trying to hide weight" framing. Met up anyway. Looked great in person, just bad at taking pictures. Great date, had a ton in common. Both wanted to meet again. Ghosted me.

>>34240569
Yeah ask for another date, and keep in contact until you meet. Also at a certain point you need to stop asking for advice and just let your intuition take over

Why is this thread full of romantically successful people who get dates? Is there any advice thread for repulsive trucel goblins with zero social skills that already follow all the basic bitch advice?

>>34240272
At this point you need to be straightforward and tell her you think shes cute and that you like her. Like obviously she knows your interested but women like the affirmation of you being direct. Gague her reaction

>>34239712
Gen z women are fucking less because they are holding out for chads. They could not be bothered with average men anymore.

I kind of like this girl at work and would like to get to know her better. She strikes me as someone who's naturally introverted but just kinda became good with people so while fun to talk to is pretty shy when it comes to real opinions and substantial conversation.

Anyways, I'm trying to chat her up but don't really know how to read the signals and pursue. Like I'll walk over and talk to her once in a while and she's warm and receptive but never really goes out of the way to talk to me which I guess shows lack of interest but knowing her it also could just be that she's shy. I honestly don't really know how to deal with it because I feel I can't be too direct at work but also could be missing out from not doing anything. I need some way to put the ball in her court and let her show interest but don't know how without making it too forced or work related.

I'm admittedly not the most experienced at flirting but have had a gf before, though I'm tall, fairly attractive and in a more senior role (though not her boss or anything). Been trying to come across as approachable but also don't want to be too much of a funny guy and lose respect

Is it possible to get a woman without hitting the gym? No, I'm not a landwhale I am actually a living skeleton (I weight 38 kg)

I'm finally seeing it, I think I'm finally healing and realizing what has been missing.

There's this innate desire in me to brag as a result of the fear that the girl I am speaking to thinks I am a loser/creep/weirdo when I should instead be focusing on enjoying myself enough to where she enjoys my vibes. Most importantly our vibes have to match, yes, like I couldn't joke around with a woman who is in a negative space and unable to open to me, but I can influence others with my vibe, so maybe I could and maybe I could brighten her day and therefore mine.

The best interactions I've had with woman have been some of the most jovial conversations, full of life and fun, that led to sex soon after, everything flowed so easily, nothing was awkward.

Like today, I spoke to a girl about a library where we ran into each other in front of. She had asked me about libraries, and we talked about books a little, she had said she likes to keep books rather than rent, and i replied saying that I'd rather rent than buy because I already have so much---WRONG!!!
I'm bragging here, and she quickly started to look at her watch and step back.
Instead, I could have made a joke like "ah... so you're one of those hoarders?" and then waited to gauge her reaction/interest.

But I didn't. The conversation died and I did not ask for her number, but only offered my name and a handshake and walked away and laughed at this joke I had made in my head about a conversation passed.

Guys, look at how beautiful the world is and how you can give great conversations to people everywhere to brighten their day. I speak with everyone because I have learned to love it. I will say hi to most people I see on the street.

The question is not "how do I get a woman?"
the quesitons should be "how do I benefit the people around me?" and this is what attracts great things.

Im in love with a streamer

Ok, I decided that unless I get another date, I will see my slampig. I don't want to see her so I hope that will be motivation

How do you cope knowing the only time you were able to be with a hot white woman was in a very specific situation and only for a few months?

>>34241633
Didn't read my post award

>>34242253
I shrug and smile knowing, as a decent looking tall-enough White man with a fun personality and cool hobbies, sleeping exclusively with women of my race is my bare minimum

>>34241615
Work out
Dress well
Fix your hygiene
Make regular male friends

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>>34241623
I did that and of course we are still meeting up and stuff. I am sure she is still thinking about it and I just need to have a steel will, I dont wanna push it and scare her away so most of my time is spent just keeping the vibes casual. I think I am ready to just be friends with her if she never wants that kind of relationship so I think I am just going to be patient.

this thread is a bullshit delusion to stop incels from radicalizing
attractiveness > everything else
and by attractiveness I mean 95% your looks, how your face looks

>>34241598
>Yeah ask for another date, and keep in contact until you meet.
Thanks. We've been texting back and forth since yesterday, so I'll try to plan something for this weekend. It's also Valentine's Day, so I think I'll just get her a rose and maybe a cute card.
>Also at a certain point you need to stop asking for advice and just let your intuition take over
I'm trying. I've been in this situation before, and it's petered out, so I'm a bit worried about screwing up again.

>>34243106
There's extremes "so hot that 'let me fuck your mouth you stupid whore' works as an opener on most girls on the apps" and "so deformed that finding anyone willing to look at you takes an act of god" but most people are between those somewhere that their actions effect outcomes. Besides the small handful of legit truecels, most incels are like if someone refused to get a job because someone else won the lottery.

>>34239479
she has borderline and is abusing you
leave

Any advice for a girl who lets me finger her but doesn't want to fuck before marriage. I feel like i could push it further but i don't want to look like I'm taking advantage

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Again with the same question since the dawn of time...I almost don't want to give my fellow man this advice because then you won't be my competition, but there might be one of you who's new to the concept of romantic relationships with women who would genuinely need to hear this like I did when I first became a man: you get women by not trying to get them, simple as that. Women don't want a guy who needs them and by approaching women you are signalling to them your need for them. It is self defeating. If this thread stays up for any amount of time, I'm going to get a bunch of butt hurt, insecure guys who cannot accept the lack of control they have on this topic. All you can be is the best version of yourself and hope a good lady will come along, maybe she does, maybe she doesn't (she almost always does, when there are 8bn+ people on the planet). This is the best advice I can give you, I know it is the toughest pill to swallow, but if it is any consolation I had to swallow it too and for me it happened due to my wife divorcing me in a highly contentious way. So I learned it in the most unfortunate way possible because I never had cone across anyone who either could or would tell me what I'm telling you now. I say this out of love for you, now what all the hate I get for it. Why would anyone knowingly say something they're about to be attacked for saying if not out of sincerity and love?

>>34241450
i feel like that with my fiance
i just feel stuck cus she's pregnant

>>34239479
The relationship is already over and has been for some time, the question is, how long will it take you to accept that fact? You can break up with her, but if you want her to be the one to say it is done, then you need to be the authentic you. She is abusing you and you're allowing it, if you give in to her demands. This is how women control men, not with threat of violence, but of closing off access to themselves when you "misbehave". So, start " misbehaving " (not in actuality, be a good man, but in her warped sense of the word. So if she doesn't like you talking about butterflies because she says it hurts the relationship but you love talking about butterflies.... Talk about butterflies, as much as you desire!) Do this and watch her not only run from you (and the relationship), but do things that actively sabotage it from an objective standpoint. Oh and get ready for her to paint you as the bad guy because she cannot handle the guilt of being a wretch toward a man who didn't deserve any of her mistreatment. Sorry anon, the depth of your pain is equal to the depth of your ability to love...that says more about hour character than she ever could (and oh boy she's going to have a lot to say (negatively).

>>34244043
Your “advice” is noted and discarded, baiter.

>>34244344
Thank you for proving my point.

Can I get any advice for this? It's been over a week since that audio call and has not reached out to me in over a week. I figured she lost interests so I just didn't bother reaching out myself. Am I correct to think this?
https://archive.4plebs.org/adv/thread/34211146/#34211146

>>34244902
*she has not reached out to me in over a week

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>>34244043
This is mostly true. Women are repealed by neediness, which is weakness for them.
Still, you need to: passively detect and acknowledge interest from women(subtle signals) and act decisively (because women want the brave).
Unfortunately that only comes from practice.
And all of this... IRL

You all women have the freedom of choice. They can pick whoever they want however they want. It is their right as Americans to have that choice and we should respect it. We have that choice too as well.

>>34244521
>posts trash advice and says people will dismiss it
>it gets dismissed
>see, told you!

You’re not being clever here.

>>34244953
>They can pick whoever they want however they want. It is their right as Americans to have that choice and we should respect it. We have that choice too as well.
you are the gayest fag in this general

>>34244043
ur old mate
but true being your best self is very important
but now a days the "self" is tied to online presence
and online presence is dictated by social proof
so being your best self involves presenting your best self
which involves making friends, having a life
which for most will start with the harsh reality of cold approaching people

>>34242110
yes

>>34244910
>>34245009
You both are disagreeing with me in a polite way, but you are disagreeing with me. You're both also wrong in your final conclusion because it is diametrically opposed to what I said.

lol, some of yall ain't never seen a ugly stupid broke nigga bag hoes...

>>34245006
Takes one to know one.

>>34244902
She sounds like a cunt. Move on

Will single women be at the mall or a place like Dave and Busters on Valentine’s Day? Are those good places to find a date?

>>34246523
Yeah. All single women go to Dave and Busters on valentines day looking for a guy who can really work the claw machine. Go get em, champ.

>>34246605
Ok, so what are some places I can still “have fun” if no single women are there?

>>34246617
Clubs are going to be full of singles this weekend

>>34246617
Mate it's on a fkn saturday go to the club easiest pussy of the year. Literally every single girl there will be looking to get dicked by any somewhat competent guy.

>>34246737
I’m allergic to fragrances and black music is annoying.

Please can someone talk to me and get to know me and then tell me if it's possible to get a girlfriend?

>>34246820
To add, i went to a club 3 years ago and fragrance wasn’t an issue there but the music was so loud nobody could hear eachother so we had to hold our phones to each others faces to communicate it was retarded.

>>34246838
First off get a real job so that women aren't irritated you aren't doing something with your life, next build up your creative portfoilo on the side, afterwards own your own home, then exercise and do healthy things daily, and lastly be a chill dude.

>>34246881
But how does he get a girlfriend

>>34246901
What I'm saying is a part of it anon. Because now with what I just told you women will be curious about you rather than seeing you as some atypical bum wasting tax dollars away.

>>34246915
I’m not him, but I’m pretty sure we all have our shit together and can’t get a date

>>34246928
Well good because you eliminated the fascist element groups of girls do, which is set you up with someone you don't like out of desperation. Now then just be yourself.

Don't need advice, just wanted to say I was in your position a few months ago and last night my gf told me she loves me for the first time.
WAGMI

>>34247028
How many people entered her holes before she chose you? And does she count sucking dick as body count?

>>34246849
Yes you're retarded indeed for trying to communicate with words in a club.

>>34247141
I’m a white male, I don’t have the privilege to do whatever I want with a pretty lady.

>>34247116
Why are you people like this

Alright let me tell you all something, learn to observe a woman's patterns. Sometimes women, like men, follow a routine. The more you are of that routine, the more you are possibly loved.

Can I get any advice for this? >>34243948
It seems to me like I am not normal, but that neither is she. Which is okay as long as she is not malicious

>>34247358
Like trying to suck the same dicks she does?

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Alright so, turns out my looksmaxxing has been a success, 3 times now from 3 different friend groups, I've been told I intimidate(good) people. Thing is I grew up ugly with a 100% rejection rate through all of middle and high school and I never went to college so rejection is all I know, so this shit never crossed my mind I could have that effect on people.

Now how do I lean into this? I'm pretty charismatic because I make friends insanely easy, but anything romantic, I just have no clue, anything I can think of just feels super fucking out of character and weird

>>34247692
I'm trying to hook you up with a no nonsense woman anon. Do you want a nerdy woman like yourself? Then learn to be practical.

>>34240247
Felt, I'd wanna princess carry my girl, swing hug her, buy giant ass bears an shit, but alas

I just matched on hinge with maybe one of the hottest girls I've ever seen. Threw out a like absolutely not expecting this to happen. How do I not fuck this up?

hello, can I have a woman please?

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>>34240288
hey guess what dumbass, you were super wrong and I was right I have nuts of steel and you're swallowing them right now as you read this. dumbass 40yo virgin trying to act like some chad. Go ahead and jerk yourself off to sleep tonight buddy, cause you are gonna be lonely for the rest of your sorry life.

>>34242311
>already follow all the basic bitch advice

>>34234732
Reminder that there is no greater evil than a white woman and you should not be courting them.

>>34234732
A women I know is the really friendly type who is nice to everyone and can hold a conversation really well. She is into business and seems really motivated and high achieving. My business was connected to their family business but I burn't out and went back to a different profession. I stayed in contact with her brother but never even thought she would be interested in me. She moved away, it didnt work, came back. I chased a different women not even thinking this one was in my leauge. But everytime we spoke it was like a house on fire, but I realised I never really asked her questions about herself, it was always about me. But she has that skill to talk to people and make them feel special. She says positive things to make you feel good and asks about your hopes and dreams. I realised how much I need someone like that in my life but I never acted or realised. I wonder if the way she was acting and made it blindly obvious with flirting and personal questions that she was opening the door for something to develop, as in we get to know each other over the years and become a couple by just naturally working towards that or if I just blew it because I never seen it. I thought if she was so interested she would have reached out. I wonder if women think long term like that more than men. I just needed a nudge or to be given the gameplan but I didn't act, I just asked if she liked me via text because of the mixed signals i got. And she just said 'thanks for the kind words but i see you as a friend' Im such a fucking loser. I want to tell her im going to prove to her im not a quitter and get my business back up and running and make her and her family proud of me, but i dont know if I should or not. I could waste years just waiting for her, or she could come to me when she is ready. I dont know

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I keep meeting attractive single women and self-sabotaging and then they move on.
I hate "the game", I get so fatigued just hearing coworkers talk about it. There was a time I went full monk mode but I'm not getting any younger and I don't even know how to stop. I see dating as this hand grenade that gets thrown into the room, but then other people just do it and it works fine and I feel stupid.
No good role models and a bad rejection in high school really fried my circuits.

>>34248947
Someone please tell me how I can turn this around, or how i know if its really what i want.

>>34248947
>>34248960
It sounds like she's really nice and you got psyched out. I've been there. She said you're just a friend, cut your losses before you take too much damage.

>>34248967
I could go to Columbia and get a smoking hot wife and get her working with me to make her jelous

>>34248991
Why not get a smoking hot wife to have a smoking hot wife, and stop fixating on a woman who doesn't feel the same way about you?
It hurts but you gotta cut your losses, the sooner the better.

Is there a book or master list of conversations starters that aren't fucking cringy reddit like what would you do if you were walrus

>>34248997
Ive learnt to cut my losses over the years, that is easily done. Whats not easily done is always letting go and never getting any closure or feedback as to how they saw me or how I acted.Which has put me in a self defeated mindset, which is the exact mindset that made me overlook we were perfect for eachother and she was trying to tell me, but I let her down by being a loser who gives up. Thats not what she wants. She wants a man of action and direction, not words and excuses. Though its pretty hard as a man to maintain morale and hope and work ethic when everyone is saying the world is collapsing around us, financial, war, health etc.

>>34248792
Not that anon but what happened? Did you end up making out with her and that's why you lashed out at anon?

>>34238920
the zoomette shit is so real kek wtf man they just post thirst traps 24/7

>>34245100
how does that work? dont women need to give you some signal to approach them

>>34236509
>Her real, full nature is alien to a man, deterministic and animal and unrelatable frankly sad
Then what do you think IS the full nature of women? And does it even matter at this point if you believe there's no.accuracre depiction

Although I've been successful with women, it's only been in special situations. Like cold approaches on the street only really work for me when I'm a traveler and she's a traveller. I can get stuff going at bars/clubs but those rarely have the girl I'm looking for. Coffee shops have seldom yielded dates for me. I could get dates or at least hangouts with girls at hostels very often.

But say I'm at a grocery store or a target or a mall, I see a girl and I want to go for her, it's so fucking awkward. Like she's just stopping in for some item and there's 0 connection prior, so I'll just automatically come off as desperate. You'd need an act of God, like she drops something and you pick it up.
I've started convos in stores before and got 1 date from it. It sucks because stores have the hottest women.
Im at a point hwere I want to just have a fun and loving conversation, and try not to think of how I'm going to ask her out. So I will try to go into the interaction like that. Still, I'll see a hottie and then just go about my shopping and hope that maybe she ends up next to me, which happens sometimes and I"ll start a convo but it's hard for it to lead anywhere.

>>34249717
Yeah because cold approaching at those random places is retarded. Idk why this thread likes to talk about it so much.

what's the point if youre not a 7/10 or above?
its all about looks
i put in so much effort for little reward while my friends, some of whom arent even that good looking but can barely scrape a 7 do the minimal amount and they get pussy easily

this whole thread is a psyop. they dont give a fuck if you go to the gym or not as long as you arent fat, the way your face looks is whats important

you got to live in the city and house partymaxxx. that's really the only way. Get yourself into a scene, any scene, contribute, become known, make friends, be seen with them and then you're good. you can go for girls after that.

Dude, I don't think I need any complicated advice and I don't think I ever will, it's just that I spent most of my teens and 20s being a total shut-in with literally 0 irl friends. I just don't know the basic mechanics of what dating/a relationship looks like at any stage except from movies.

That's it. I think I could figure it out relatively quickly if only I had someone to practice on but I have no idea how to meet girls. The most basic ass youtube videos tell me I can meet girls at work or yoga/gym or whatever but I don't have a normal job and don't do any other public stuff. I haven't had any kind of irl friend group since school.

I think I'd actually be pretty good or at least confident and good at figuring out how to get better on dates I just don't know how to meet people and make friends in general on a basic mechanical level.

Basically, I don't know what the skeleton of an advanced relationship (more than just saying hi to neighbors and talking with shopkeepers) looks like, that's what I really need help with. I think I'd figure almost everything else out by myself. Do I just go to a bar and wait for something to happen? Ask the bartender for more direct advice? Try and talk with girls on bus stations or something? Something tells me that wouldn't work out at all. Seriously, I don't know what I don't know about the basics at this point, I don't think it's even a legit mental illness just worse than prison-level time away from society making skills that were never that well-developed rusty as fuck.

>>34249904
Seriously. Are dating apps the only way if I'm not already plugged into an ecosystem? I have no idea how good or bad they are but hear nothing but bad or vague praise at best stuff about them. Is it all a big fraud and I should just try talking to random people around my neighborhood? Tho I have no idea what that will look like. The mechanics of just getting a date look much more fucked-up than an actual date would be because I'd see an actual date as a fun puzzle to try and solve.

>>34234732
where's the how to get a man thread

>>34249944
Just have good hygiene and look attractive to him. Easy mode.

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>>34248959
try a dating app to get some reps in, you dont have to go long term with anyone think about it like an exercise. focus on not spaghetti dropping

>>34249047
I reiterated my feelings and told her I was willing to wait and she said she did want to do stuff and that I was her type but she wasnt sure she was emotionally ready for another long term relationship. She told me we could do physical stuff if I wanted but I said no. Im going to tie her up and eat her out for sure but it will probably be in a few months from now.

>>34249904
>>34249925
you need a car bro

>>34249833
Good advice

>>34249944
There isn’t one and that’s because women convinced men that regular normal courtship is indistinguishable from sexual assault, and most men not being comfortable with committing a sex crime won’t talk to you. Enjoy your abuse chads

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Is there a male equivalent of this body type?
>carnal and vulgar looking
>still hot

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>>34250532
get you a Turkish Zaddy anon

>>34249944
Literally talk to one and 90% would want to be in a relationship with you unless they're very easy going with women or already have a gf (even then they might be willing to cheat if you initiate)

You guys are too advanced for me often talking about what to do after the first date. Can we regress and give advice on how to talk to women you just see randomly in every day life? For those true autists who have no idea on openers

>"Hey can you buy me a drink?"

>*takes it*
>*walks away completely ignoring you*

Not even a thanks. Holy shit girls are animals.

Help >>34250495

>>34251222
Just smile and say hi. Those are the baby steps you need to take first
After you get comfortable with being friendly you can find things to compliment them on.

>>34251298
People are fickle like that and theres a thousand reasons why she would've unmatched. The trick is to not get your hopes up with dating apps because ghosting and sudden unmatches are the nature of the game

>>34251450
How do I get to make compliments when we're in a group situation? It feels very awkward, I can hardly get a time when she's alone. Also feels like I am screaming out to her that I like her, which is the point but it also feels desperate.

>>34251677
What do you mean? Just say you like her hairstyle or jewelry or something.
Also remember baby steps. If you struggle to say hi youre going to struggle to find a compliment or any other form of small talk

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>>34251298
Let go of the idea that women are rational beings and you will be set free

>>34249925
>>34249904
bump from same guy. Anything helpful?

Simplifying, I need help getting in touch with people to begin with. Biggest fucking mystery of my life, something I just didn't care about growing up and all I have is movie cliches to rely on. Do that many people even meet in bars in clubs anymore if they ever did irl?

I've been losing a lot of weight to get ready to start dating. I've lost 55lb so far but I need another 50lb to be what would be considered normal for me (170lb). I have a bit of confidence at the moment because of how proud I am with my weight loss so far. Should I even try asking girls out at this point or is it not worth trying while I'm still fat? I can lock in and forget girls for another year until I reach my goal but does anyone have experience or advice for asking cute girls out while fat?

>>34251899
You need to build a life for yourself before you can bring someone else into it anon. My life was similar to yours until my mid 20s, you need to make friends, other "normal" people who have gfs and such because guess what, their gfs have plenty of female friends. Just get involved in anything that isn't a total sausagefest and just be a stand up guy, the more you're seen as a central figure of a social group the more your attractive you become to the women involved.

ok so i have this picture of me that looks incredible, i get tons of girls dming me because of it
the aura is unmatched

BUT
THIS is a double edged sword

>JUST
the other day, I was calling this girl because she dmed me and my feelings were to just ask for a phone call and she agreed
we called for like 15 minutes and as it was getting good i said sorry gotta go
leaving her wanting more

a couple days go back and i just randomly message her hey lets talk tomorrow
she agrees
we talk again the next day
shit gets really good
the profile pic probably plays a big role
i ask her to meet up in a couple days she agrees

we meet up
I am short
she is around my height
she looks visibly uncomfortable
we walk to the place
order food
she barely talks on the way
we sit down she excuses herself to the bathroom right away
5 minutes later she comes out
she says she has to call her friend
she steps outside for 5 minutes
she comes back
she says her friend has an emergency and needs to leave
i ask for the food to be cancelled
she tells me how much she owes me
i say the amount and she gives me the cash
and leaves

all the food comes.... and i take it home

I WAS HUMILIATED

anyway, is being short really that bad...

>>34253583
why don't you just put your height into profile? clears out situation earlier

>>34253583
How short

There are virtually no moments in my current life where I have the occasion of meetings girls of my age.
My typical routine is office work -> go home -> sleep
I'm not seeing any friends, I barely go out and my family doesn't care I'm almost 30 and single.
Are dating apps my only option for seeking relationships?

>>34253583
Thats called catfishing, retard.

Should I put any of my interests on my profile if it's all nerd shit? My bio and profile right now I made to look like I'm the most basic normie possible and it's not really working. Should I unironically be myself on there?

>>34237535
Do not message her daily. Talking is what the date is for. Always confirm the day of or even the day before so she doesn't bullshit you with an excuse to flake.
>>34238911
Hinge. I hope you're not ugly.
>>34249833
Doing this currently but with my local bar. I'm in a trendy neighborhood in a major city so my spot has a constant rotation of new people and regulars. About a couple months in I'm slowly getting recognized. I still strike out constantly with the coked out zoomer whores who go, but I'm still a monster on Hinge. I actually have a date tonight with some thick Carribean girl. Will update
>>34251289
Live and learn

>>34253648
around 170 with shoes
>>34253631
its not a dating app
so putting it in my bio? sounds retarded

>>34253767
well it's a picture of me, not of somene else

>>34254493
guy you replied to about building a social circle- bars are great. I do a coffeeshop but it's a little too business sometimes. I ran into a friend and his gf at one the other day, and just talked to liek 5-6 people and finally went to talk to a girl I thought was attractive and she left soon after :(
>monster on hinge
so you're jacked and have good pics? or are you decent and fucking fatties? I'm the latter except I don't fuck fatties on dating apps anymore

I really can't get over this girl. It will be a year since we met eat other next month. I'm itching to message her but I already know she's going to tell me to stop messaging her. I just want a reminder I guess.
When I think of this in a big picture, I see nature, divinity, souls beyond sexual desire, I don't see love in the way it's meant but something simple. I have lost the ability to love like what is meant in this current age. It ended with her. I learned that I could have what I sought after my whole life- a truly beautiful, elegant, feminine, intelligent, caring woman and at the end of the day she's just another human being and she will have her own agency to be a whore and do whatever she wants to do.

>>34254779
Wrong thread

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Where can I meet a shy introverted gf?

>>34249776
You can't become a 10 but you can become a 7. Your worst stat can only bring you down so much, if you're falling to resentment then that's two stats going down.
Comparing yourself to others is necessary, it is a competition, but you can overdo it. A metaphor: One of the smartest guys I know had lower raw intelligence than other people in the program but he maxxed out all his other stats, study habits, time management, etc. and he was more successful than a lot of other people in the program, including me lol. It took him more effort, but he won.

>>34254763
"Monster" compared to maybe 90% of guys on there. I fuck decent looking women; a couple(hot) fatties if I'm being honest. I'm sitting at over 50 likes and maybe 10 unread messages. Bars are best for me since i drink like a fish. I know probably a dozen or so guys just from around the pool table, so it's a win-win.

My date tonight went decently. She had to leave around 10:30 because she has work in the morning but agreed to come over Saturday night after I'm off work since she's free weekends. We made out a couple times so the attraction is there. I even wore my cowboy boots to heightfraud a couple inches. Let's see how it goes.

>>34251450
Why does it feel unnatural to just say hi to a girl? I feel as though usually people expect you to say more after just a hi no?

Had a date today and it went okay. I suggested swimming as a second date and she said yes (she said she liked swimming)
I have some issues, though: I feel like it's too intimate for a second date .
Also, what day should I suggest the date for if we had our first date today. Thanks

>>34256647
Just autism, dont worry about it. Saying hi is just a matter of being friendly and everyone understands that theres no obligation to keep a convo going. Baby steps, just force yourself to do it and eventually you'll be comfortable with saying hi

>>34257108
Idk how eager she seemed but ime the next day is always too soon, probably say something earlier next week, no sooner than Sunday at least

Anyone ever going to clubs solo? Considering going tonight there's this valentines event with green/red bracelets or whatever for showing you're single/taken.
If it turns out to be a fail I'm stuck there till 5 though for the public transport..

>>34242157
Youre wrong, if you dont have the social skills to back this up you will just end up being a doormat, and repulse women even more
Good intentions arent enough, if it was that easy there would be no incels

>>34253766
Only if you look like a chad, otherwise you won't get any matches.

How fucked are you if you don't live in a big city? I'm in Poughkeepsie ny and while I like living here pretty well, there's nobody. You don't meet people. Sometimes I think about making a play for the big city, move to Manhattan or Boston before I get too old.

>>34257884
>Poughkeepsie
Never thought I'd see that name on here. Absolute shithole. When I was living there my buds and I would have to go to New Paltz, Beacon, or all the way to white plains if we wanted to do anything.

>>34237535
maybe its just me but, if you are going to the date to get to know them and enjoy it, then what sort of text are you supposed to engage with beforehand other than building excitement or bringing joy? im a level 1 untested dater but I dont care about the formula you are trying to crack at all yet.

How do i get young women as a broke jobless 35 year old kissless virgin
Already did all the basic bitch advice at this age, nothing fucking works
Also im not ugly, but i give serious weirdo vibes and nothing i do helps

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>girl at work
>has been flirting with me for the the entire year in a half we've been working together
>her and her friend are quitting at the end of the month
>tells her friend not to tell me because she wants to tell me personally
>tells me she's leaving and that she's really going to miss me, really likes spending time with me, etc. etc.
>tells me to text her to let her know what's going on at work
>her friend is constantly teasing her about me
>she always giggles and acts coy
>constantly says "we're gonna fight after work" and "I'm gonna fight you one day"
>always stands super close to me with a big smile on her face
>one day we're joking with each other and I say "Fuck you", she stays quiet, I say "Just kidding haha" she says "That's too bad"
>following day she says she doesn't have any plans for Valentine's day
>the following day (today) I ask her out
>she says no
I just have no words, I'm not necessarily heart broken or have my feelings hurt but just confused and annoyed that this bitch would spend that much time and energy flirting with me and then say no when I finally ask her out, she even said "Now that we won't be working together we can DEFINITELY fight ;)" and I give this bitch the chance to hang out so we can fool around and she says no, now I know why our ancestors used to beat women, completely justified.

>>34235319
>come into this thread because zero contact with women
>this guy is already THERE already and is at the point where it's time to literally just fucking kiss her or find out he's perma-friendzoned, there's literally nothing left in terms of choose-your-own-ending pathways
>replies are telling anon to continue being a retard
anon, fuck you. if she wants this (and it seems like she does unless you're leaving out the part where you force these interactions somehow and she's always trying to get away) she's just going to be receptive to literally anything you do
now is the time to be straightforward
>I really enjoy spending time with you.
then kiss, suggest making it official, etc...
how did you even get into that position if you're such a tard is what I want to know

is it possible to date without an app in 2026?

>>34258838
>>the following day (today) I ask her out
>>she says no
>now I know why our ancestors used to beat women
kek

>>34259051
You know what. I'm sick and tired of people like you pressuring men who are sensitive to fit your pride. You can go fucking kiss my ass and go cuck your girlfriend with her gay bestie this night, you fucking faggot.

>>34259059
Anon, I respect that you and the other anon are sensitive. So am I. But reading his story was annoying because my problem is that I can't get into his position, while his problem is almost completely imaginary. In practice, he is already at the finish line, and all he can do now is step over it

>>34253583
>ok so i have this picture of me that looks incredible, i get tons of girls dming me because of it
are you robbing a liquor store or something?

>>34258838
That is supremely annoying but she might be playing hard to get for some reason. Just be persistent and dont make it weird, if she rejects you again l then back away.
Alternatively you could talk to her freind and have her intercede. Ask the friend if the girl likes you or how to interpret her actions. She will of course talk to her freind but hopefully that makes things a little more clearer

>>34258838
Kek. Must have been a bad time during the lunar cycle. Can't rationalize their emotions any other way.

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I'm only attracted to non-white women, but I'm an unlovable incel chud with the opposite political beliefs to 99 percent of them
Is there any way for this to work in a real relationship?

>>34249904
>>34251899
This reads like I could've wrote it. Socializing has never really done anything for me. I see how other people go out of their way to socialize and it brings them SOMETHING, I can see it in their eyes. It's so bizzarre to me. I just don't really care, take it or leave it. And when I do end up going out with a coworker or something they just end up complaining and/or oversharing about negative things in their life and I try my best to offer advice and it's just a bummer lol. I'm not even able to get to the door, let alone, "get my foot in the door" I think people are becoming more and more broken so I'm not really missing out on much. And I don't think you are either.

Women just want something materialistic from you anyway, use you like an accessory to their outfit. Discard when you become unfashionable. I've never had a woman do anything nice for me and pussy isn't that good anyway. The majority of people are "takers" looking for a spineless "giver".

>>34257647
I used to think this was bullshit, but I haven't marched with a white woman in months...

And correct. I don't swipe on fatties or tattooed women. Imagine your women getting another man to needle her with ink. Thus spake Chud

I don't care if she's a virgin or not btw.

>>34260586
Black women are right wing and are attracted to chuds. Ask me how I know

Okay I've decided it's better to let women approach me.

The problem is, the type of women who approach me are:

Most recently: a literal 17 year old.
Before her: I ran into her two months after she initially approached me and she said she just came out of the pysch ward from attempting to kill herself and that she was diagnosed with BPD

>>34261123
>just came out of the pysch ward from attempting to kill herself and that she was diagnosed with BPD
Sounds like a keeper

>>34260650
I don't even have the bad experiences from the second paragraph to complain about. I have no idea what the actual quality of most "normal" (non-redpill) dating advince is but it's like most, if not ALL, dating advice is for people who already have some minor experience and people like me just don't. There really needs to be a step by step guide to this kind of shit, as much as that's even possible, especially when it comes to the early stages.

I don't think I'm even a special kind of freak having the non-existent dating experience of a 10 year old, I just didn't care about that shit for a long time, not because I was totally asexual/aromantic but because I always saw it as insanely complicated and didn't wanna deal with/think about it that much and it just didn't matter to me enough. What to do now when I actually want someone?

tl;dr I guess I think dating advice needs to become more universal/"for all ages" instead of just sounding like it's for bitter people who have already been burned seemingly. Having a hard time explaining just how much I never had access to those social mechanisms to begin with, I don't even have much to be upset about yet...except for the the total blankness of my romantic life.

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>Get nagged by both men and women on dating apps
>I don't because I expect 0 matches
>Finally give in
>Create hinge profile with old photos
>Get exactly 8 matches in about 1.5 weeks, Attractiveness of women range from unattractive to average looking
>Of those women, only 2 are able the hold decent conversation, both average looking, get their numbers

First off, the results have been better than I expected, especially as someone who is 5'6. I'm guessing my face carried the day.

Second of all, whats up with women's social skills? If they swiped on me I thought they found me attractive, why do they always ghost or can't even string together a convo?!?!

Hi fellas
I'm meeting somebody I've been talking to on and off for the past few months but really heavily for the past week. We're going to have a coffee and walk.
I've never even spoken to her on the phone, she seems really hesitant to give me a lot of personal information about herself like her name (apparently it's very unique and makes her easy to find), but apart from that I know a lot about her. I really do like her from what I know about her so far. So I really do want the 'meeting' next Sunday to go well, but it'll be my first date ever so I'm a bit worried. What does a good first date entail?

>>34261123
a girl around that age stepped on my foot last night at a barely crowded fast food joint. I wish I said something better than "ow" Like "how are you going to make it up to me?"

I haven't cold approached in a week. I get looks from girls, they even put themselves in my presence and compliment me but Im just so rained rn. somebody help

>>34261253
>why do they always ghost or can't even string together a convo?!?!
I eventually came to the conclusion that some women are just there for ego boosts. That or they just don't know how to gracefully back out. Ghosting is a general rule though so dont worry about it when it happens.
Also
>get 8 matches, range from unattractive
Matching means you mutually swipe. Why are you swiping on people you find unattractive?

>>34261260
Really weird circumstances. Why the fuck wouldnt she tell you her name?
Sorry anon but you need to brace yourself for the possibility of disaster

>>34261496
Apparently it’s super unique and if I know it I can probably find her. Tbf, she’s probably wary of me too. I think she’s real and normal though.
What kind of disaster?

>>34261531
Im just getting grift vibes based on what you described. Like she agreed to meet you in person, why would she be worried about you finding her online? This seems very weird, like shes not a real person.

>>34261549
She’s definitely real tbph, it’s a long story.

3 likes by 3 beuatiful women in single evening? wtf

I guess I just needed to change my location to a bigger city.

>>34261563
>>34237535
I demand a follow up

>>34262172
ask questions to show you aren't gonna live vicariously, I want you to live it up. I'll answer.

>>34262364
How did it go?

>>34235319
if you're "friends", it's over. I would hail mary it by going out, eating, hugging at the end, slide my hand to hold hers and go for the kiss. Fuck saying "Ermm....excuse me would you be my gf?".

It's better to ask for forgiveness, than permission.

Bros I need serious help. I am arranging a date with someone this week, however I have serious issues that need to be resolved.

1. I have never been intimate with anyone. I don't know how to or where to begin. I'm genuinely afraid of being labelled as a creep so I don't engage with physical intimacy.
2. I'm autistic and this girl is neurotypical and so I don't know if she'll be able to deal with someone that's socially stupid like me and does weird shit. I can mask but it'll eventually come out.
3. I have low confidence and self esteem. I think I'm a fuck up and don't like myself very much. Going to the gym isn't helping me solve my image issues because while some of it is rooted in weight (for example jawline/gaining more muscle) a lot of my insecurities are based on things I can't change about myself and my failure.

I like her and want to go out with her. Does anyone have steps to how to mitigate this? I don't want to confess to her that I'm a fuck up because if I do I'll just spiral even more

>>34261563
Big cities are the best for tinder and similar apps IF you have abs and are otherwise a cut above regular men
As a /fit/ poster I can't go a weekend in Cincinnati or NYC without a hookup
Miami Beach too, wild ass city

I'm 38 and all I think about all day long is younger women. All I want is a pretty young girl under 30 in my life. I'm extremely fit and have a good face card but I'm kinda poor because I'm going back to school to take a second crack at my dream career after I dropped out the first time in my 20s (medical research scientist). I'm actually doing really, really well this time around though so I might at least have money in my 40s.

Am I fucked?

>>34263925
same except I'm not poor and I'm 29 and I'm not in medicine and I never dropped out before

Was up drinking until 7 am today with my boy and we decided that we are gonna abandon all morals and start playin the game for real. The only way to have any equal footing with women in 2026 is to have multiple different options, even if you have a gf she has a huge leg up on you because she is getting dm'd every day. Ive been coping for years by refusing to see the reality of dating these days and by not engaging. Ive been demoralized by dating apps and I've finally realized that things are not so hopeless. A lot of hot bitches are fucking ugly idiots because those dudes dont think and just approach girls without any care in the world. I am smart, tall, and good looking but I act too nice, am anxious, and over think everything which has made me a romantic failure. I am going to correct my behavior by not hiding anything about myself and developing absolutely no emotionally attachment on these bitches. Hell most of the dudes in the 30% of the male population that fuck all the time are dumb retards incapable of reading books, thinking of the competition being primarily gigachads is false. Gonna go out to college bars next weekend with my boy and we will commence our operation, ideally going for girls 6-7 years younger than us(18-19). I like cute girls and girls prefer men their senior anyway. Not even gonna focus on doing retarded PUA shit just gonna get a couple drinks in and talk to bitches about dumb shit before gettin their number. My primary goal isnt even hooking up with a lot of girls I just want a roster of contacts so I can always hit up a girl to chill with on the weekend.
Will provide you gentlemen with an update after the operation commences.

>>34264171
Embarasssing post but have fun

Would've gone out to a local pub yesterday for a drink and maybe to talk a woman or two if got lucky, but my fucking foot started to swell up on friday afternoon and it's still swollen. I'm not religious and I don't really believe in fate, but what a fucking coincidence, eh?

>>34238301
Its legal. Go for it

>>34238301
>I'm conflicted between my ethical side and my edgy nihilist side.
>cares what other people will think of him
You're a pussy for even asking so clearly you have no edge to you whatsoever, because if you had any edge as you claim, you wouldn't even be asking this question.

Generally speaking, is it unwise to ask a customer for her number at your workplace? I'm assuming yes, but I want a second opinion.

>>34264634
Worst case she complains and you get fired, and depending on what type of job it is it could affect getting hired for the next one.
How certain are you that she would appreciate it?

>>34239479
Im not sure I can offer a solution, but I can tell you I went through this exact thing. My gf of 2 years was super sensitive and caring, and VERY liberal. I think alot of women are, has something to do with their minds being more emotional I think. Anyway, over time she'd get upset with things Id say or do. She'd pull away and get distant because she felt I wouldnt support her or agree with her even though I genuinely loved her and didnt care about our disagreements - I actually valued seeing her perspective. But she eventually started finding ways of calling me out for being a 'mean' person in ways that were odd. If I made a joke, it was hurtful. If I liked a movie, it was because it was offensive. If I wanted to do something, I suddenly was uncaring of how she felt. I now think she was using things to justify how she felt at the time, but i really tried to fix it. I stopped doing things I liked to please her and tried walking on eggshells but eventually she left me. She used some excuse of "we just need time and need to figure out who we are" but that was a year ago.

There was a period of time where I blamed myself and begged for her back. I admitted to everything: "Youre right I was so mean, im dealing with something, ill get therapy" yada yada. It absolutely sucks to remember how much I fell for that and gave up my dignity to try and make it right. I hope you don't do what I did. Just have a talk with her, be honest about everything, and be prepared to walk away - even when you care so much. It really sucks but sometimes people are different and if its not meant to be its not meant to be. She might paint you as the villain either way, dont believe it.

>>34264651
I work in a retail store. I'm not talking about a specific customer, but last wednesday I saw this cute redhead. She had nice outfit and wore glasses, but I immediately thought it wasn't a good idea to try and chat with her. My second thought was that I lack the stats to pull her anyways. She's not the only customer I found attractive, but she's the most recent one that had me doing a double take.

>>34264171
thus spake ZaraChudsta

>>34238301
25 and 18 isnt that bad. if you dont do it youll turn into a pedophile anyways.

so defs do it

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has anyone tried to approach black women exclusively? are they easier if you are white?
I'm in Europe and my country is being overrun with blacks with thicc asses.

>>34265555
White guy here that has mostly dated black and Asian women
Black women are seriously some of the most beautiful and also loyal and loving women I have been with. Be courageous, respectful, LISTEN, and be supportive, compliment them, especially when their outfit and hair is looking good, learn to cook for them and set up some nice dates and all is good

Where and when is it fine to approach a woman?

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>>34265595
thanks! again, I'm in europe ad these are actual Africans, not African American, which I hear are very different.
> compliment them, especially when their outfit and hair is looking good,
that is very good advice. They put effort into it. When approaching should I lead with that?
what other tricks can I employ ?

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>>34265595
>LISTEN

I moved to an affluent neighborhood and created a bumble profile with the same old pics and bio, only different location (the new neighborhood), and now I'm matching with skinny stacies, many of them posh (unreachable in the past)

So I went on a second date for Valentine's Day. We went ice skating for a bit, but didn't stay too long, as neither of us was very good at it, and she had a bit of an injury.

We were then supposed to go get dinner at a restaurant. On the drive there (we took separate cars), she called and said her mother got in an accident and she had to drive to help her. She said we should reschedule, and I said it was fine.

I texted the next day, just checking in to see if everything was alright with her mom and the car, which she did not respond to (I figured the excuse was probably bs, but didn't want to give up hope).

It definitely isn't worth pursuing again, right? I thought things were going well (we kissed on both dates and held hands on the second one).

>filter hinge for east asians only with deal breaker enabled
>reach the end of all profiles in my city
>pop on and off hinge for a few years now
>recognized a batch of "regulars"
>in the past I swiped on them but didn't match

Some of these women are spiritually awful. Some seem great and you wonder why they're back on hinge all the time.

>>34265911
>It definitely isn't worth pursuing again, right?
yeah.
just not sure why these hoes kiss if they aren't 100% into you

>>>34265867
>>34265916
good goyim , keep using apps

>>34266022
If you can't use apps, you're ugly and won't find any success in the real world either.

>>34266034

Holy fuck, I didn't know I had intimidate(good) going for me, I always assume girls kinda hate me, all this wasted time

Alright when dealing with women, be quiet, calm, collected and patient with yourself. Try to give a decent amount of space if need be. Still be yourself, but calmly be yourself. If you give women a sense of predictability the better.

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>>34266034
>won't find any success in the real world either.
your chances of getting a 7 while being a 7 irl are much higher than by using jewish apps.
keep being a shabos goyim, good golem

Look you all, women have to learn the hard way they missed out on a nice guy like you okay? If she has to deal with the pain of missing out on you, that's her problem. Adults have to take responsibility for digging themselves into a hole for LITERALLY ANYTHING. WOMEN ARE ADULTS OKAY. THAT'S THEIR PROBLEM NOT YOUR'S.

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This is the 4th FUCKING time in a row now I meet a girl, we're beyond compatible and I indirectly learn she's a lesbian, why is the universe building itself around my misery

>>34266378
Your guardian angel is protecting you from dumb retarded mentally hill women. Read the room anon,geez.
Right one will come, and she doesn't eat pussy.

>>34251289
men who buy drinks for women they don't know deserve this treatment

>>34265555
>>34265647
god blax are so fucking gross, get this shit off my screen.

>>34266347
>DA JOOOOOOOOOOOOOOS

Idk if this is the right thread/place for this but I just don't feel like chasing women anymore I genuinely never want to see another woman for the rest of my life

>>34266524
I feel you. i'm sort of the same
>meet girl
>go on date
>doesnt go well
>give up on girls for months
>heh why not
>get mojo back
>meet girl
repeat

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i really feel like trying this semester. i read a book on small talk while i was off since i'm not a good conversationalist. i consider myself to have good looks and a good wardrobe, but not good at socializing
problem is: how do i meet women?
everyone is focused on their studies like me. it doesn't help that i only need to go in-person twice a week. the available clubs don't seem interesting, though i suppose i should still join something
i'm considering trying out hinge, just need to find some good photos of myself
/adv/ice? thanks

>>34266406
But they're sexy!

37 never had a GF. God I wish I wasn't so physically deformed that no one could love me.

>>34267592
Not even paid... And when drunk?

Let me tell you all something as the villain in your love story. Your true love avoided me for you. I'm tall, dark, handsome, have a lot of money, and am educated. What does that say? That says the real you who was nice, trying to have fun, and be a good listener was what won. So wouldn't you say the most attractive quality is listening if she left the guy who has it all for you. I'm saying you need to be confident and see yourself as the sexy one not me. I am the annoying loud and obnoxious one okay? No girl likes that. They like a quiet guy who is serious and has common sense.

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I cant do it. Im almost 40, I can only really talk to women when Im drunk and because of that I rarely get to hook up and never really get to date anyone. When Im sober Im not fun or interesting enough to make women give a shit about me, so what do I do

Went on a dare with a girl that apparently found me cute first in our college class. I also found her cute and thought our first date went well. She even agreed to a second date during the first. We agreed to go swimming, and i said "you can say no" and she said "i want to though". Later that night i changed the date to a meal for monday evening. She replied saying how it sounds good.
I also drew her an intricate valentines card and posted it for valentines day, in which i got a fairly shit reply "thanks for the cool card!", and she didnt say happy valentijes back. I wasnt hopeful.

Now today, 3 hours before our 2nd date, she drops me a message how she isnt feeling it and doesnt want to lead me on. I feel gutted. Shes very neurotic, has ocd, and in her words "is scared of everything". I shouldve known she'd flake.

I know have to see her in uni for the next 1.5 years.

>>34267708
>dare
Date

>>34267708
>know
Now*
Ffs

>>34261123
>Okay I've decided it's better to let women approach me.
I also decided to let them do that, but they didn't do it. What's the trick other than not being ugly?

>>34258298
I was in a similar place at 26. Called weird / crazy all the time, no life experience, no skills, only somewhat thin, no money, no sex, nothing. Then a buddy gave me a dating / relationship book with some basic bitch ass advice (which boils down to: you have to actually walk up to people and talk to them). Well, here I am, 35, still weird, but thanks to experience and thousands of social interactions I can contain it enough... somewhat, to only get called weird / crazy very rarely at this point. Managed to actually get laid at 27 and have devent success from then on (until corona hit).
tl;dr: go out and talk to people / women. Maybe read some basic bitch dating book (see sticky). Also, if you're fat, lose weight. Get a decend style. It makes a bigger difference than you think. People are shallow.

I just dont know what the fuck I'm supposed to say man. I had a couple matches but what am I supposed to do now?
Hi? Wanna go out for a drink?
What am I even supposed to say there, too?
Oh my fucking god

>>34267756
are you schizotypal like Travis from taxi driver?

>>34267708
>>34267710
>>34267712
>Shes very neurotic, has ocd, and in her words "is scared of everything"
you come across as the same bro

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>>34234732
I'm a hot 20 something (not for long) and I want to use my body to get a MILF to pay my student loans. How do I do that?

>>34268147
How so?

>>34261260
How did it go, anon?

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>>34268438
>triple posting to correct trivial typos
>"you can say no"
>changed the date for no reason
>drew her an intricate valentines card after 1 date
>Shes very.... I shouldve known she'd flake
>I know have to see her in uni for the next 1.5 years
not even asking for advice just sadposting here. if you act like this on 4chan how much worse is it irl?women value a man that's confident consistent calm and collected. you're way too invested after only 1 date. I'm not trying to talk you down this is just my observation.

>>34268628
Seconding this, very astute observation

>>34268380
Get a job at a country club

>31
>in college
>other women are 19-21
i don't care but I feel like I'm at a disadvantage. I'm rich but don't talk about money to other people. IDK if they think I waste all my money on clothes or whatever. I barely care abut women anymore. I fucked one last Summer, she was chill but a loser, like no job nothing except autism.
How do I interact with 160k debt SSRI bitch? Do I? Are some of them intelligent out there?
>Is your town's mall like in Stranger Things?
Bitch I move money for a living

>34268905
Do you like books? I got a fucking library, hundreds of books.
>No I like netflix and cum-flavored vodka I follow librarian instagram though
Send help. These whores are dogs chasing cars.

I guess "how do I talk to younger women?" I'm 31. Most of these women look suspiciously older than me.

>>34268905
>>34268914
Schizophrenia normally scares women off

>>34269861
Rightfully fucking so I just came across a guy who was fucking insane on the internet! How about we try being laid back people instead.

Last year not only did I fuck a hot girl, 8/10 at the very least, very likely 10/10, but I got her as a girlfriend who loved me and fed me. The recovery from her breaking up with me has been truly maddening. I have had years long relationships with girls less attractive and less good at cooking and less interesting and I had to end those. This is one of the worst feelings in the world.

>>34269992
Cool but guys like me who can't get that are gonna be laid back and just enjoy life as it goes until something happens and if that ends momentarily well it is what it is and life moves on towards good things.

>>34270001
yeah and that's how I was before I met her. I was so surprised, I never thought I'd deserve such a woman. I found out as became more and more beautiful to me, I mismatched my expectations for her behavior. I expected her to act diffferently than previous girlfriends and was thrown off at her woman-ness. I was too careful with myself and could not express myself fully in fear of her disapproving of me--which she did do.

At the end of the day, I wish I had never met her. I have had run ins with beautiful women but they never had as much passion for me as this one did.

How many days after the first date should the second date be without it being too soon?

>>34267689
The worst thing about the lives of people like you and me is that we just don't have the right environment to be ourselves in. I spent most of my teens and 20s periodically thinking there was something horribly wrong with me because I didn't have any friends and didn't care enough to remedy the problem. Always had a pretty easy time burying those insecurities and just living my life pretty happily but it sucks whenever they resurface and these days I actually want someone to at least pretend practice being romantic partners with. But I just don't know where to find people in general. Not desperate enough for dating apps or to just sit in bars until someone talks to me though.

I used to think discourse about "public spaces" wasn't that important but I guess it is. Different people need different kind of areas to feel comfortable in and really function on a social level and I don't know what social setting I'd be really comfortable in. Wacky 90's style raves I guess and I don't know any of those kind of places in my town and I guess that's the big problem.

I think that's the main reason life sucks for people like us.

>>34267689
And don't think you have to be drunk to be interesting. Unless you're a total monster when you're sober or something. That's most likely legit everyone else's problem if they don't like you sober.

>>34270087
People don't like me both drunk and sober either way. So that anon is not alone. So much for not being invited at parties my entire life. Shit, do people wonder the same when it comes to knowing how to use the internet? Probably not.

>>34270085
>until someone talks to me
don't sit and wait for people to talk to you, you need to learn how to strike up conversations with people. Keyword people, don't just creep on the women, the more you interact with people and make connections the easier it is to find a woman to date.

>>34270101
>Keyword people
Just to expand, that's literally everybody, old, young, male, female, ugly, pretty, handsome, average, short, tall, even teenagers, and kids. Being the guy that fixes bicycles for free in the neighborhood will lead you to talking to their parents, their parents have single friends or coworkers.

>>34270101
>>34270105
That level of socializing was never my thing. I can't explain how most of my instincts go in the opposite direction and it didn't feel wrong on any level until I started realizing just how alone I was in my mid-30's. That's why I think I'm gonna need much more than just trying to talk to people in bars to develop social instincts. They're not non-existent otherwise I wouldn't know how to talk to people even on the internet right? I dunno how to level them up in face-to-face-interactions.

>>34270028
Depends on how well the first one went.

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Is an ice cream shop a good place to pick up big girls? I have craving for some soft serve if you know what I mean.

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Weird situation bc I'm not asking for advice on what to do with the girl but more about how do I tell my friend. If this is the wrong thread, my bad.

My best friend's ex is trying to fuck me, mostly as fallout because she's still mad at him.
She was his first gf, they had been together for around 2 years but it had always been a shitty relationship; constantly breaking up and going back and all of that, for the last couple of months it had become really bad. Around that time I had begun to notice that she was into me, but didn't pay it much attention because I've never had a gf and frankly I know jack shit about women so I let go of the thought. A month or so after they broke up I find her on the bus and we talk. She mostly uses the chance to shit on him and I was trying to be passive bc I didn't even know or care but I could tell that she was trying to get closer to me. We live nearby so when she offered to meet again I felt like I couldn't say no, especially since I had been kind and attentive to her up to that point. Now, I think she's cute, but otherwise she is really not like me at all. Also she is very childish. We met again and I managed to steer her into having her confess that she likes me, and then I told her that it was to risky so I essentially friendzoned her. I took her home and she was touchy all the way, despite me making clear where we stood. Now she wants to keep seeing me and will probably be pushy for a while because I was to soft on her I think.

Thing is, how do I tell my best friend about this? He's a nervous wreck and is still fucked up by that girl and I'm sure he still thinks about her bc this whole breaking-up coming-back shit was so stupid for so long. It felt like he kinda liked the feeling of her always coming back to him. She's also obsessed with him and I can tell she's doing this to spite him too. How do I not fuck this lifelong friendship up? Also this weekend me and him where planning on dropping acid so that's not happening.

>>34269992
Why did she break up with you?

You've experienced deep divinity and now you're back to shallow bullshit. When you've experienced the best of something -- high quality food, sex (especially sex), meaningful conversation, those highschool friendships where you actually get excited to see your friends -- reverting to inferior things can be very upsetting.

I've had the best sex 5 years ago, and I cheated on that girl. Thank God I will always have high quality food. I dated a literal 0.001% woman (99% in Canada's top university, straight white perfect healthy teeth, 6 figure job, kind and family oriented) and showed her indifference (I simply didn't like her personality).

Good sex is the thing I cherish the most looking back on everything. How was it good? I just loved her body. She didn't do anything, like all women, she just submitted and let me prone bone her. No condoms ever (IUD are great).

>>34270267
You sound like your 14. You're entertaining some retarded chick instead of completely ignoring her. What is there to tell your friend? "The retard you dated likes me bro"? Match made in heaven.

>>34270375
I don't give a shit about this chick I was just trying to be polite bc she was in our group for a while but its obvious she just wants to stir shit up plus she's a toxic asshole I've know that since way back.

However I can't just hide any of this from my friend, I've got to tell him what happened but I know that it'll be a tough blow for him bc he can't get this girl out of his insecure retard brain. And now it's gotta be me who has to tell him that his ex tried to fuck me first instict after she randomly finds me on a bus. You suggest I say nothing?

>31m
>went out with this 34f i met on bumble for a bit back in may
>probably the best 2 dates I ever had, felt like legit connection and love forming
>get ghosted
>couldnt fathom why but moved on
>ff to like 3 days ago
>see her on hinge
>give a like and a comment like ‘i think we dated before’ because i wasnt even 100% sure it was her
>quickly get a whole spheel and ‘i wanted to formally apologize what i did wasnt right i was scared and not ready to be serious’ and ‘ive been thinking about you and felt too embarassed to ask for another chance’ etc
She’s just like ‘settling’ for me at this point, yeah?
I would normally just be fuck off whatever, but I actually did like her. Am I a retard for giving her another try?
Wasn’t like she cheated or dumped me. I guess thats kinda cope, but we’re both also kinda autismos so its also like, eh?
Weve texting on and off today and shes like ‘ive been stressed about life stuff’ and i say ‘ok tell me’ and she says she feels like she wasted her life and she wants kids and wants to be with a decent man and all that jazz. Thats why I feel like I’m being settled for. I guess do I care? Because at least im getting someone.
I suppose I’m already seeing her friday, so I’ll figure out how I feel then.
I try to phrase my posts in the form of a question, so I guess its; am I a cuck/retard?

>>34270619
I suppose you are the settlement but it's not like you weren't in the first place, considering your ages that ship sailed 10 years ago. So do you care? I probably wouldn't unless you're planning on getting with low 20s girl. I wouldn't let this situation deter you from getting to know her better.

>>34270702
Yeah, thats where I sorta landed. I’m fucking 30 and not the ‘i need a le 18 y/o virgin trad wife’. I live in the real world.

>>34270619
I don't think you're a cuck, but it's not the best feeling to carry around.

Don't become her therapist and give her problems too much attention until much, much later. Otherwise you'll appear like a dork.

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Fuck it, I'll try dating apps again, which one's the least shit