To me, women always seem to look for partners that are doing well financially in order to protect their self interests, instead of doing stuff by themselves (like getting better paid jobs, taking care of their own economic status, ...). Am I right? If so, why do they do this?I'm always wary about this shit whenever I meet a woman that might be interested in me.. I was born poor but I'm not anymore. Still, I am stingy, I feel like shit whenever I have to spend too much money on useless shit. Does this say something about me? Does this mean I'm narcissistic or something?
>>34275021Women are attracted to power, whether that be financial, social or physical strength.
>>34275021men do the same, so if you are on the poor side of the issue then that is just a fact. It is no problem that it bothers you, but if you can't move on then focus on not being able to move on instead.
OP here.>>34275062Right. Well, why are they like that?>>34275083>men do the same, so if you are on the poor side of the issue then that is just a factNot all men. I am an example of the exact contrary of this. I'm the son of a single mother, and I know very well what misery does to people, esp. kids, so I refrained from getting into relationships or having sex because I didn't want anyone to suffer from me being poor, I didn't want to have kids in such a situation. and I didn't expect help from anyone.>It is no problem that it bothers you, but if you can't move on then focus on not being able to move on instead.Right, I guess I'll simply have to deal with it.
>>34275402>Right. Well, why are they like that?Because it helped them survive in caveman times and those genes haven't changed since then. The caveman who everyone looks up to and has all the food and skills gets the women.
>>34275021They are status seeking, but there are also exceptions. Neets have girlfriends too. Neet has big strenghts that the employed nigga doesn't.
>>34275439>Neet has big strenghts that the employed nigga doesn't.I think the best strength is that you aren't exhausted from working so you actually have the time/energy to pursue women and not have to go home early to get to bed lmao.
>>34275453Exactly. You got it. There are cases of women leaving the successful guy for the neet. For the reason you brought up.
>>34275021>Am I right?No, not even a little. All of the available data we have shows two things - the first thing is that women are now surpassing men in college enrollment and degree attainment. There has never been a period of history in which women earn more money, work more jobs and better excel at building their own careers. The notion that any large portion of modern western women are unable/unwilling to maintain themselves economically just isn't supported by any data whatsoever. Secondly, the vast majority of people date/marry into their relative age, race and socioeconomic status. Rich people end up with rich people, middle class with middle class, poor with poor. There isn't a shred of data available which shows that women who come from a certain socioeconomic class are consistently dating/marrying up. It doesn't make sense from a data standpoint or even just our intuitive understanding of class segregation. On an anecdotal note this whole idea you bring up is also completely contradictory to the online male narrative about how there are no more trad women who want to stay at home and make casseroles and be pregnant because they're all out going to school and entering the workforce and being childless girl bosses. It seems like there's some difficulty maintaining a consistent narrative here.
>>34275476On your part too though
>>34275484Explain
>>34275476>No, not even a little. All of the available data we have shows two things - the first thing is that women are now surpassing men in college enrollment and degree attainment. There has never been a period of history in which women earn more money, work more jobs and better excel at building their own careers. The notion that any large portion of modern western women are unable/unwilling to maintain themselves economically just isn't supported by any data whatsoever.I think you are mixing things here. The fact that you studied something, even a post-grad, won't necessarilymake you earn more. And since things are so expensive these days, women look for a partner with which they can get something done...Also, if you take a look at dating apps, you'll see that most of the profiles have pics or comments about traveling and shit. They literally spend a good part of their income on that shit... Which probably means they barely even save money. Women are known to be the great consumers.>Secondly, the vast majority of people date/marry into their relative age, race and socioeconomic status. Rich people end up with rich people, middle class with middle class, poor with poor.Sure, but, have you ever heard of social mobility? Women might want to escalate (just like some men do) through their partners. I mean, there are whole movies, novelas and shit about this LMAO.I took a look at property data in my area (a touristic city) once, and found something really odd: about half the properties are owned by women. Yet most workers and entrepreneurs in my country are men. How does that even happen? My explanation for this: maybe their men were simps, maybe their married into money, something like that.
>>34275581>I think you are mixing things here. The fact that you studied something, even a post-grad, won't necessarilymake you earn more. And since things are so expensive these days, women look for a partner with which they can get something done...Your logic isn't faulty but there's just no data to show that women are significantly dating/marrying up and out of their socioeconomic class. >Also, if you take a look at dating apps, you'll see that most of the profiles have pics or comments about traveling and shit.Getting your broad ideas about how women are doing economically from social media is probably the worst possible way to collect data. Every thing on social media is idealized and designed specifically for engagement. As I said, there is not a shred of data that middle/upper class women are spending their entire salaries on traveling and goods. In fact, the economic data that just came out shows that the biggest consumer spenders in the economy by several orders of magnitude are 55+. All the data shows that consumer spending tracks with age significantly more than gender. >Sure, but, have you ever heard of social mobility? Women might want to escalate (just like some men do) through their partners. I mean, there are whole movies, novelas and shit about this LMAO.Yeah books and movies are great but the numbers don't lie. The vast majority of people remain in and date those in their relative socioeconomic class. There is no significant percentage of poor/middle class women settling long term with upper class men. Upper class men marry upper class women almost exclusively.>I took a look at property data in my area (a touristic city) once, and found something really odd: about half the properties are owned by women. Yet most workers and entrepreneurs in my country are men. How does that even happen?I don't know about other countries. I'm talking about western nations, U.S., Canada, UK etc.,
>>34275021>Am I right?No.Anything else we can help you with?
>>34275453>>34275472Yeah but the pendulum swings. The neet may take your bitch but he will lose her for the same reason he got her. Women are that insane. The rope you gotta walk is tight as fuck which is why many guys just do the aloof pill.
>>34275489Too many women prefer being single to choosing the option that's available
>>34275946You can't take her too seriously or you're toast. They don't want men to love them, not really.
>>34275021I know plenty of women with good jobs who have made babies with drug addict jobless losers only to be abandoned after, you are just looking in the wrong placesthe stingy part however can cause friction if she sees you have a ton of money and don't want to buy her some crap, unfortunately the only way out is get rid of the poorfag mentality or lie to them about how much money you have
>>34276020Sure but you're describing both men and women. People are just opting out of relationships in general and it tracks pretty closely to economic mobility, consumer power and the state of societal stratification via online engagement. People are miserable in general. It really isn't a men vs. women thing.
>>34276038That's what I mean by the aloof pill. You gotta care about her but not to a degree that she thinks she can do better. I can go days without hitting up my gf and when I do it's usually a meme or a sarcastic insult, I dont simp on her or make her feel like she's the source of my happiness. If she leaves then fuck it, plenty of other women with vaginal holes exist and im not really looking for love anymore
OP here.honestly, this mentality was taught to me by my mom. she spent most of her life blaming others for her own faults and "warning me" about other people and stuff, especially women.ironically, when I was finally able to help her, she decided to stab me in the back and tried to steal money from me, so I guess that was a self-fulfilling prophecy lmao. she actually managed to steal it, but her greed and stupidity helped me recover it.>>34276055>I know plenty of women with good jobs who have made babies with drug addict jobless losers only to be abandoned after, you are just looking in the wrong placesright, I guess stupid women who think they can fix some retard exist. but when they get past that stage... some decide that, to defend their own interests, they need to try to take advantage of someone else. >>34276055>the stingy part however can cause friction if she sees you have a ton of money and don't want to buy her some crapyeah, it actually did cause problems with my ex...:'(>unfortunately the only way out is get rid of the poorfag mentalityI'm hoping some of the stuff I'm currently doing will solve that, otherwise I'm fucked for life.any recommendation on how to deal with this mentality?
>>34276544my parents were a bit like that too, we used to hoard everything and used trash to fix things instead of buying new onesa trick that worked for me is to find balance and be smart, don't waste money on just random crap but spend it on useful things that will make your life easier, that way over time it won't bother you as much as for the girls if you are not willing to spend don't flaunt your money but that also means you are gonna have to work harder, do more things for her as compensation like fixing shit around the house, just don't make things harder for her because you didn't want to waste money or if you are handsome just find a sugar mommy and nothing else will matter
>>34275021The "women date up" trope is about physical looks, not finances. Believe it or not, most women don't actually give a shit about how much you earn. Bitches don't have posters of bill gates or jeff bezos in their rooms.
>>34276055This. The drug addict jobless losers are almost always tall men with big dicks. This isn't antiquity anymore where single women past the age of 22 would be shunned by their village and left to survive through their own devices. We got welfare states and feminism. The only thing that matters as a man is your genes in regard to your appearance.
>>34275021Because carrying and raising a child is resource-intensive and makes a woman very vulnerable for at least a few years. That translates to needing security and the resources to guarantee it.There is, of course, a big difference between a woman marrying a man solely for his money, and a woman simply expecting that a man be financially stable (or have good prospects for it) before considering him further.
>>34275021We generally want a partner that is self assured, confident, emotionally and mentally mature, and aware of what they can and can’t doMost of the time those types it carries over into their career too, it’s just the added side effect of having those aspects
>>34275021They want to pick a man who can financially support them and their future kids. It's not that different from how men want to date attractive women as they want their kids to inherit good looks.
>>34275021>If so, why do they do this?Quoting this straight from Female Dating Strategy:"We don't expect men to pay on dates - we make our own money. That being said, any man that refuses to pay is deemed unfit to be a romantic partner. Women have more to lose in romantic relationships (STD's, pregnancy, etc.) therefore, a man must show her that he can provide when times are tough. The only type of men that ask you to pay half are LOW market men going on tons of unsuccessful dates (resentful) or used to rejection (fuckboys/squares), therefore they want to stay cheapskate because they are not confident anything will come of it."
>>34277823this isn't about paying half in a date, you retard. this is about women crying about not being able to buy a house while not wanting to sacrifice their comfortable lives or taking opportunities to get themselves in the position of being able to buy a house.
>>34275021>>34278201actually, not just that.I live in a touristic area, and some of the women I match with through dating apps seem to expect me to invite them to stay here, because as soon as I ignore that conversation, they stop talking to me. while I'm not poor anymore, I still don't have my own place so I can't, but if I had it, I'd be wary of inviting complete strangers from dating apps as soon as I talk to them. or maybe I'm too fucking autistic, idk.
>>34275402>Right. Well, why are they like that?They're the weaker sex and sexual selectors of the species.
