The key to a good trip is to be in a good environment and in a good state of mind. If neither of those apply to you, avoid taking shrooms or any other psychedelic because you will have a bad trip otherwise.

>>34275482
>Im not really in a particularly good place mentally spiritually
Maybe don't

>>34275496
Im in a good enviroment, I live with my family, so its a very familiar comfy place, although I probably do it secretly.

My problem is my mental state, or spiritual state, i have the suspition(it may sound schizo but im serious) that something is missing on me, my spirit, my connection to God, whatever, I cannot even explain it to my psychologist, Its like suddenly I cant feel empathy, I cant relate to others, I cant feel like a normal human being, I dont remember childhood, I feel disconnected.... so I came to think extreme things, like im spiritually dead, whatever, but there is some hope inside me. I did weed 3 times and the three times it sent me straight to an abyss of despair, where I was terrified. I just feel like I lost something very deep and precious that every human has.

>>34275482
Spooky I did a very similar amount for the exact same reasons as yourself. It won't slap you hard, OP. It will obliterate you into an infinite amount of pieces and then sink those pieces into a vivid, colorful, iridescent hellscape where you will unearth an uncountable manner of extremely painful feelings that coalesce into one, teeming, colossal mind-state of impossible hyper-real terror and sorrow. You'll be in fetal position for 6-7 hours straight while the mushroom laughs at your pain.

Ironically it will become a catalyst to fix your shit. But it's not the mushrooms that do that, you do it yourself afterwards. And after such a horrifying experience you will want to go and live your life finally, because after experience a reality shattering mental psychomimetick explosion and probable ego death, you'll beg to live and feel grateful for breathing after enduring it.

If you are a complete masochist who only learns from pain, yes the mushroom will be if some assistance. If not, don't bother. And be warned: If you have any family history of psychosis or schizophrenia, the mushroom will unlock that in you.
I still live with episodes of psychosis years after my mushroom heroic dose.

>>34275568
Im pretty sure I would be even more fucked up than you if I do that dose.

Im in a fallen state, Im pretty sure I have fallen out of grace, I have lost God's grace in a literal spiritual sense some time ago(maybe 4years ago?)

>>34275550
Nta. But it's that terror and sense of loss that will bring you to regaining what you had lost. What you are describing sounds like complex post traumatic stress, perhaps from way back in childhood. Cause by who knows what or exactly when. But if that's what you unknowingly have, it will cause what you describe: Empathy dissolves into nothing, life feels like a blur, your mind becomes a foggy prison, you lose the ability to truly feel, your thinking mind disconnects from your feelings heart and the air around you feels like a cage at all times, perpetually feeling cornered in your own body. You feel like you lost your soul, or, if this had all developed in you very early on, you may feel like you never had one.

Psychedelics can shatter you to bits and yes there is a chance from remaining the obliteration of your own psyche, you can piece yourself back together again and in a way that gives you room to override your mental malaise. But it's a great risk that should only be done as a last resort.

You can achieve what the psychedelic offers with words, language, speaking. It will take longer, perhaps a year or two of counselling either with the psychotherapist or with a priest or a wise man, or whoever has insight.

Psychedelics can do it for you in 6-12 hours and weeks of processing. But again, it's a dice roll. Some times you may wind up with more added trauma or loss of sanity than you can handle and it could be dangerous territory

Either which way, both paths will require going to that abyss of despair and terror, that's where you can actually regain your soul, through confrontation and acceptance of pain. You can either do it the steady and safe way or the erratic and chaotic way via psychedelics.

If you choose psychedelics, make absolutely sure you have no means to sabotage your own body or life during or after the trip. Stay away from heights cars weapons drugs or dangerous chemicals until it passes

The chance of having a bad trip is like 1-2%. Bad trips happen to people who use hallucinogens regularly. Almost never happens to first-timers. You'll be fine.

The main thing to remember is that hallucinogens are like a roller coaster ride. You can't freak out and try to get off the roller coaster in the middle of the ride. You have to be in the mindset that you're there for the whole thing, no matter what happens. Just let go.

>>34275590
>Im pretty sure I would be even more fucked up than you if I do that dose
So perhaps don't do them. Keep them in a cardboard box in a cool dark and dry place and put the idea of the shelf.

>Im in a fallen state, Im pretty sure I have fallen out of grace, I have lost God's grace in a literal spiritual sense some time ago(maybe 4years ago?)
How did you fall? What occurred 4 years ago?

>>34275592
Like I said in the previous post, im not sure this is something that comes from childhood. It is something I have been feeling since 4 years ago, maybe 2021-2022 and has worsen over time, now im 23.

>>34275601
I dont know thats why I want to take them, to show me what I did so wrong to end up like this.

>>34275618
I see, I assumed because you mentioned you can't remember your own childhood. The mind has a tendency to delete memories or gaps of time if those memories were too damaging to hold onto. Though, not all the time. Some people can not remember their childhood and nothing bad happened. Just is what it is.

>>34275626
>to show me what I did so wrong to end up like this.
It can't really show you specifics. It may bring about a vague insight on where to look, but that's about all. And even if it could show you precisely what you did or experienced in a vision, it won't tell you what to do about it or how to process it. It may open up new perspectives or ways to interpret things but that's it.

If you want my two cents: Do you need to know? It's a route that will take you to where you are now already, a diversion from the task at hand. The task at hand is self understanding yourself today.

Such as losing empathy and connection to others. Understanding why the mind does that. It does it to protect the owner of the mind. The exact same way that a power outlet short-circuits to prevent a surge of electricity from killing you if you touch it. Empathy for some reason began to cost too much for your mind to bear, and it shut off.
That isn't something wrong that was to save and salvage what was left of you.

You can investigate what happened without mushrooms. Questions and answers can do the trick

you need someone watching you if its your first time

>>34275660
Well its complicated because at the same time I feel like I have lost my capacity for self-reflection so everything I say feels shallow.

I dont know no one in this state, I would be glad to meet someone or know about a similar case that was healed or back to normal. Because I truly feel like I have lost my compass.

This may sound bleak and schizo but this is what I actually think about my current state: do you think is possible that because of sinning or doing very bad things in your life you can literally and spiritually and I mean SPIRITUALLY loose those capacities for love and empathy irreversibly? Because thats how i feel, with only 23 years old, life ahead, lots of opportunities yeah, but I can only grasp a tiny spectrum of human experience because of my state, I cannot even see myself in a relationship. I genuinely cant break out of this, I cannot see myself out of this. Im sorry God, or whatever for what I have done which I feel its not that terrible, but I need to get out, to get over this. Fucking therapy doesnt even understands me.

>>34275482
7g is a *lot* for a first trip. I suggest you start with half that.

>>34275836
Oh nono, I didnt make myself clear. Im not planning on taking that much.

I was actually thinking 1-2g but im not sure now after reading the responses, and thinking clearly about it.

Don't do it with your family around. They might want to check up on you in the middle of your trip and that can really fuck you up

>>34275875
>They might want to check up on you in the middle of your trip
hahah why does this ALWAYS happen

>>34275482
OP mushrooms are one of the oldest methods humanity have to reconnect with the actual spirit world and not the sanitized/neutered beige slop version that christians try to force feed down your gullet. as the great terence mckenna once said: "take it easy man... but take it!"

>>34275482
If you insist on consuming them despite feeling iffy, then please just use a small dosage (like 1g or 2g). I would also like to remind you that no matter how weird or bad things ever feel during the experience that it will eventually end and be okay. o7

>>34275833
>I dont know no one in this state, I would be glad to meet someone or know about a similar case that was healed or back to normal. Because I truly feel like I have lost my compass.

I was in that state for a long time. I've known others like this too, they're hard to find, but if you look in the right places or send off the right signals they find you.

>do you think is possible that because of sinning or doing very bad things in your life you can literally and spiritually and I mean SPIRITUALLY loose those capacities for love and empathy irreversibly?

No. But you can get to a point of spiritual paralysis that it certainly feels that way. You brought up God a few times and I did not mention it before since I usually don't like to mix my faith with my knowledge of psychedelics, but my psychedelic days are over. I am a follow of Christ myself, and have been for some time. What I know is this: God's grace is infinite, and it's always available just like a stream of water for the thirsty. Whether or not we accept this grace is down to us. If we sin, we stray further and further and further from that life stream. We become miles from home, we become weak, and we become easy pickings for the eternal enemy, you know who that is.

The thing is, we can always go back. We can always choose to accept grace. But that eternal enemy, Satan, his whole thing is he is really, really, really good at convincing the individual that it's too late. That you're disconnected, that you belong to Hell, that God won't want you back, that giving you grace would be a waste, a mistake, that it's pointless. So on and so on. It's all an attack designed to keep you away from God. And you are not alone in this, this assault this spiritual warfare, it's wages on every man, every woman, every day, and has been waged against us since time immemorial.
The therapist will call it post traumatic obsessions. Spiritualists call it demonic oppression.

>>34275939
>>34275833
>Continued
And in the case of demonic oppression, it is not a sign of being unholy or despicable or unlovable or unfit for mercy or incompatible with forgiveness or anything. It actually is the opposite: That you pose a spiritual threat to the devil and the devil wants to make absolutely sure you never go back to God for your own healing. Scary stuff. But nothing compared to God's grace, like a parasite compared to a galaxy.

What you do is go to the Father. Take all your fear or doubts with you and offer it to Him let Him handle it. You will not be denied, you will not be rejected. All you need to do is pray, you tell our Father there is no life in you. That you can it fulfill your part. You ask His son to fulfill it for you on your behalf, so you can regain life. And you leave it up to God and Christ. And you wait and you rest and you heal. That's all

>>34275482
If you are already having delusional thoughts is probably dangerous, because those will be amplified. You could get psychosis that will take months or never to escape.

Alternatively you could fast for 24h and take all of them with lemonade for full effect.

They will change your life in unpredictable ways. It's really like some very significant surprise gift. They could turn an atheist in a believer or a believer in an atheist.
Are you afraid?
Then definitively, you should suppress that fear before taking them. That's absolute.
You could wait, and build yourself to be prepared, and that could be in itself a teaching.

>>34275958
That you cannot fulfill your part*

God is a loving God. Would you expect a father to punish their son whose legs had been broken because his son could not fetch water? No. And God would not either. If your spirit is broken, God does not punish your wounds, he heals them.

>>34275939
>I was in that state for a long time. I've known others like this too, they're hard to find, but if you look in the right places or send off the right signals they find you.
If it doesnt bothers you, could you explain to me how it was that state for you or the others? with detail, i need "testimonies"

>>34275482
What kind of person are you usually? Do you always crave new experiences and search for new ideas where everything feels dull? Perfect. Or do things people say make you sometimes uncomfortable and make you want to not hear it? Well, psychedelics will make you confront that kind of things and more.
Personally, I felt nervous because had never taken brain altering drugs except alcohol, so it made me feel kinda "physically" insecure, like scared of how it might feel and what might immediately happen, since I'm quite sensitive. In that sense, it was completely fine, it was nice.
I have been terminally depressed since forever, with a dull pain and boredom, shrooms are perfect for that.
If you have anxiety problems, then I would exercise caution. The trip had its ups and downs and there was one very uncomfortable part, I cried a lot but came out perfectly fine. But if you are a type to get unbearable anxiety that makes you feel like dying (I've met people like that), then shrooms might trigger that. Also, I think the trip made me more sensitive/susceptible to anxiety overall, which for me is overall welcome change because I was previously too "immovable" and detached. I think the anxiety might be responsible for some of the motivational effects of psychedelics, basically things feel more immediate like you HAVE to do something about x and y.

>>34277325 (me)
Also, I took 2g, I'm underweight. 7g is insane dose.

>>34277325
I would say that I have very high openness to experience but at the same hand very high neuroticism. but yeah apart from that I feel in a very strange place spiritually, like far away, disconnected

>>34276097
>If it doesnt bothers you, could you explain to me how it was that state for you or the others? with detail, i need "testimonies"
Sure, not a problem. Late response from me as I fell asleep. It was very similar to you, I felt disconnected from life, but at the time I didn't quite know it had to do with a disconnection from God. I did not believe or care to believe in Him. In this state, my mind was fogged, life felt like a blur. I felt like I was trapped in my own skull, viewing life through a peephole in my minds eye, like I was cast out or in mental exile. And that peephole was made of frosted glass, everything and everyone was 'blurry' emotionally. I could look my own dad or mom or brother or old friends in the eye and I didn't feel connection, they felt the same to me as a stranger on the street. I could no longer identify any feeling in myself, couldn't tell if I felt an emotion as it happened couldn't tell what that feeling was. "I don't know" was my baseline emotion. That and a perpetuating sense of dread or loss, yet I could neither identify what I dreaded or remember what it was I supposedly lost. For a long time I normalized it and existed in this way, which lead my life down some very fucked up paths. Id let myself be hurt but I didn't care. I'd hurt other people and didn't care, nothing mattered. Whatever happened to my body I didn't care, whatever happened outside of my mind, out 'there' in reality, I didn't care. Because my reality was my mind prison, I was lodged in my own whirlwind of thoughts non-stop, that's the only realm I took somewhat seriously. But I had no feeling inside my mind, I could never feel serious about myself so any time I endeavored to live better, it felt fake, phony, pointless.

I did what you did to, tried therapy, tried telling someone. They never understood, instead I'd get stupid assurances "Wow well you seem very self aware anon, you seem very mindful." But they didn't realize, my mind is what I had too much of.

>>34276097
>>34277573
>Continued
That was the big pain in my ass that I couldn't explain to others and had a difficult time verbalizing to people, and why therapists couldn't seem to help me either.

My mind was fine. I could think clearly, my words were coherent, I wasn't insane. Neurotic maybe but definitely not in an state of stupidity or madness. So every time the therapist dug in my mind and told me shit about my past or my present, I already knew. Nothing was a surprise and the therapist would always give me this awkward tone or tired look, because they hit a dead end and that made me feel like a dead end. My emotions, although near dead and buried, I at least knew why they were a bit fucked, they didn't surprise me either.

So I was stuck. Found no answers in my mind and none in my heart. Yet there was this third barrier, this third and final place I didn't check and couldn't see, and it was the part of me the therapist couldn't speak on, or myself. That third place was my spirit. My mind was clear, my heart scuffed but still beating, yet it was my spirit that was broken. And that's why I had a hard time knowing what was 'wrong' with me. Because in this life, people rarely if ever check that place. A lot of people don't even know they have one.

Time was, psychology knew. Psychology is Greek for "study of the soul". Modern psychology abandoned it's roots a long long time ago. That is perhaps why you go to the therapist thinking they will know, but most of them don't.

Those who know, know. And those people can be anywhere. A parent, a friend, a priest, maybe a good psychologist who actually knows his craft, though they are rare. But without fail, the one person who knows at all times. It's God. That's why you should take it to Him.

>>34277587
>>34277573
>>34276097
>Lastly
The tricky thing about the soul/spirit is if you try to brute force ways to mend your own spirit, it either never works or has the opposite effect. Much like trying to run or walk on broken legs, it delays the healing time.

I had a pride issue back then. I knew I was stuck but I wanted to be the one to deliver to myself my own healing, to prove something to myself. The more I did that, the more stuck I got. Like quicksand. Spiritual brokenness behaves exactly like quicksand. The more you struggle or try to climb out yourself, the faster you sink.

That's why I tell you to take it to God. Because the way to heal is to do nothing, let God handle it. Ask Him to His face in prayer, even if you only feel silence and absence, tell Him. Be honest with Him, you can even get angry with Him, be as brutally honest as possible and scream out for help. Then you allow yourself to do nothing, to just rest. Because you need to rest to mend broke legs. You cannot walk on them, you need a physician and time. Likewise for the broken spirit, you need God and you need some time. And God has all the time in the infinite kingdom for you, bud. He won't vanish or abandon you even if you take a lifetime. He's like a taxi that's always waiting patiently outside the house. And the fare doesn't increase, you won't be in debts for struggling or failing. Because again, the grace is free.

I wish you all the best brother. Don't be afraid, do not despair. If you are a prodigal son, you are a prodigal son. Remember God loves the prodigal son. The reward for the one who ran away and disconnected is a celebration and a feast when he returns.