>be me >short>in my 20s>work as a busboy>most if not all of the girls who work at the restaurant ignore me>i say hi/bye to them and they just walk by and say nothing as if I am invisible >notice they never ignore the other busboys and even initiate conversations with them>i notice that these busboys are also taller than me>i therefore ignore them and stop saying hi/byeAm I right to think that these bitches ignore me because I am not attractive enough for them?
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>>34302570>>i say hi/bye to them and they just walk by and say nothing as if I am invisibleI've been this, seen this, and done this.Weak, off-putting people are ignored because they don't offer anything pleasant to engage with and they allow themselves to be ignored because they're weak.To be clear: I am NOT saying that they should force their unpleasant interactions on others.I am saying that they're proffering a weak, uninteresting greeting while offering nothing besides unpleasant interaction.The first step is to learn to be pleasant.Turn off the neediness and desire. Stop caring if the girl responds. Because it doesn't matter. Yet every time the weak person is pleading for a crumb of attention, typically only from attractive members of the opposite sex.So many times I have tried to give advice on talking to all people and guys respond that they have no interest in talking to anyone else besides attractive girls. They don't realize how obvious this is to the women themselves.Since all the women did to achieve this attention was have a vagina, it makes the attention worthless.And THAT is the problem. It's transparent. They're seeking attention from the opposite sex while not even offering pleasant human conversation.The solution is to git gud. Not at talking to women but at literally anything. Be competent.If, for example, a guy were to become knowledgeable and helpful at their job, then they can answer questions and give advice and assist others. This is a positive trait for a coworker. If they can also say hi, take an interest, and then fuck off without expecting anything to come from it, then they might seem pleasant to interact with.On the other hand, if they react to the presence of women like a lost mangy puppy with sores, they're going to be ignored because any engagement will get the woman pounced on.It's not usually about height or attractiveness. It's about being an appealing person to interact with. And you can improve on that.
>>34302570>>most if not all of the girls who work at the restaurant ignore medamn. might as well just give up now all the girls at one place don't like you. that's basically every single girl going against you
>>34303271Second this
>>34303271Yes it sucks. However sometimes they will say hi or bye to me for some reason and other times will treat me as a ghost. Either I am a ghost or I am a toy to fuck around with. No in between for guys like me
>>34302570You’re doing it wrong.Find the girl who likes talking to you the most and talk to her all the time.Never even look at another girl. The rest of them will start to think “what does she have that I don’t?” and your approval will start to have value to them because they think it will help them answer that question.
>>34303211>So many times I have tried to give advice on talking to all people and guys respond that they have no interest in talking to anyone else besides attractive girls.Another common response to solid advice on how to apply effort and work to improve their situation is to never reply at all. Those guys likely aren't looking for solutions. They're looking for confirmation that there's nothing they can do, they're hopeless victims of fate, and that others should feel sorry for them as they continue to do nothing to improve the situation.
>>34303410That’s the thing. None of the girls seem to like talking to me. If one of them did, they would start talking to me. >>34303211No, I’m not only interested in talking attractive girls. Idk where you got that. And it honestly just sounds like you’re blaming me for getting mistreated. You’re basically saying that women can read my mind or something and detect that I’m weak or useless. It’s honestly not too fucking hard to say hi or bye to someone, dude.
>>34304085>No, I’m not only interested in talking attractive girls. Idk where you got that.It's a very common reply. I didn't assume you felt that way so I stated that I hear it a lot to elicit confirmation or denial.>And it honestly just sounds like you’re blaming me for getting mistreated. Fair. To be clear, they're being rude.But like when women ghost guys online, such women are often being rude with good reason.It's the same way people walk past panhandlers and pretend that they don't exist. Usually if you stop and treat them with respect and dignity and treat them like a human being but *don't* give what they want, they get upset because they got their hopes up.It's vastly more pleasant to ignore the needy than to suffer the unpleasantness of someone you're not responsible for being upset with you for not providing for their needs.>You’re basically saying that women can read my mind or something and detect that I’m weak or useless.Not your mind. Your body language, tone, word choice, mannerisms, eye direction, and whatever else. People do it all the time with various levels of accuracy.I guarantee you that those girls aren't as accurate as they think they are but that doesn't change anything.You are likely telegraphing that you want them to talk to you but don't seem pleasant to engage with.The extreme example I use is Gil Gunderson from the Simpsons.>It’s honestly not too fucking hard to say hi or bye to someone, dude.Correct. And they're specifically avoiding doing it. They aren't willing to risk engaging.The solution is to prove their assessment of you to be wrong.Be pleasant.Be capable.Be self aware.Be aware of their disinterest if they show it and pleasantly fuck off.And do all of it regardless of whether they respond positively or not.If you show that you aren't desperate for their approval and attention, they might question their assessment of you.
>>34304221Here's an anecdote:I once asked out a coworker who was friendly with me and she turned me down. It was no big deal. But afterwards she started ignoring me and acted cold to me. I correctly guessed that she was pulling away to protect herself from me possibly being upset or pining over her or being salty or whatever. So I literally pretended like I never asked her out and she wasn't acting differently. I kept saying hi and getting ignored, tired to start a conversation and happily fucked off when she didn't engage, and generally acted the same. After a couple weeks she returned to normal and was friendly again.Her experience had taught her that I was going to be unpleasant. And when I proved that I wasn't, she realized that she was wrong could say hi and chat and it would be fine.It's important to note that we didn't discuss it and she didn't acknowledge that she was wrong. We just moved forward.
>>34304085Then find the ‘ugliest’ or least socially active girl and give her all your attention even if she doesn’t want it. Doesn’t matter what she wants, it’s about turning your attention into a high value asset by reducing its supply. Ignore the other chicks, focus attention on one. It could be any of them. The others will naturally start to see you as more desirable.
>>34304284I cant tell if this is bait.>>34304226>>34304221So basically you want OP to further humiliate himself in the hopes of appearing pleasant
>>34302570>shorthow short?
>>34305178If you think that’s bait you’re so ignorant regarding women you shouldn’t even comment on them. You could even be female and I’d say you don’t understand yourself at all.
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>>34305178>you want OP to further humiliate himself in the hopes of appearing pleasantNo?I'm not sure how to arrived at that conclusion.My advice in a nutshell is be, or learn to be, confidently pleasant and chill. Then treat the girls like they aren't being rude and their attention isn't something he particularly cares about.I am polite and say hello to women because I feel like it. How they take it is their deal and not my concern.
>>34305730Dude, op is literally just saying hi and bye. That’s him being pleasant and chill. He’s not dying for attention, he just wants to know why they’re ignoring him. He thinks it’s because of his looks (ie his shortness). You sound like such a white knight. OP is already in the right. He did nothing wrong. He’s correct to treat them as the rude bitches that they are. They have no good reason to ignore him.
>>34306050>That’s him being pleasant and chill.A person can say "hi" and "bye" in many different ways. Not all are pleasant and chill.>You sound like such a white knight.I'm not defending the rude girls who are almost certainly overestimating their ability to assess others.>OP is already in the right. He did nothing wrong.I didn't say he did.There's nothing wrong with not being appealing to others. There is something wrong with ignoring someone greeting you.>He’s correct to treat them as the rude bitches that they are.He absolutely could.Do you think that would help him achieve his goals? How so?Achieving what you want in life often isn't about right and wrong or who was more morally correct.Treating rude bitches how you feel rude bitches should be treated might not get them to stop being rude bitches.Personally I assumed that they were otherwise not bitches because I don't give a shit what assholes think of me.OP seemed like he was trying to understand the situation not just rage impotently.
>>34305332You don’t understand, anon. Not even the least attractive or social girls acknowledge my presence.
>>34307594That’s because you’re like a moss trying to grow on all girls at once. For the first 2 weeks simply withdraw all your attention. Act cool calm and stoic, show up do your job go home. Only talk to the guys if they want to talk to you. You will notice the attention landscape from the girls change and some of them will start to look at you a little more. Then you can move forward with the one-girl phase.
>>34302570I have no advice to give, but I offer my sympathies. That sucks man, hopefully some girl will talk to you soon
In my old shitty office job there was a coworker who outright scoffed or just ignored me if I said good morning and was short with me whenever I had a work-related inquiry. I just stopped interacting with her unless I had to and was equally distant and concise. Not long after, I got reprimanded by HR for "hostile" behavior, and they gave me little chance to tell my side of things. I imagine that a whole staff of women like that would be difficult to handle. I wouldn't be that hard yourself. Shit's crazy.
>>34307625I do all of that every shift and nothing has changed
>>34308999Well it’s been 13 hours since I posted that comment and you said yourself already you’re looking at every girl trying to get their attention. So no you’re not doing all of that already every shift dumbass. If you don’t want to take advice don’t ask for it. Stay single forever.
>>34302570I was a dishwasher at a restaurant.I was a virgin but I'm also really tall and have a decent face.There was a waiter/waitress couple there and she would always touch my back, rub me while I was washing dishes. Then sometimes I would come out at the end of the night and I would hear them say "he's coming" and start making out. Idk wtf they wanted from me.Other waitresses would make fun of me, said I had a crush on XYZ (which was true because I had a crush on everyone, I was a virgin). They could smell it on me.I just kept my head down. I'm sure I still pissed people off from being an autistic weirdo, we were all hanging out one night and I got a little drunk. I didn't think I was talking too much but one guy said he wanted to cut out my tongue. So I took that as my queue to leave. No one said goodbye. People would make fun of me to my face.Sorry I don't know what the point of sharing this was.
>>34310306Sorry to hear that. Normie sadism is real
>>34304085>You’re basically saying that women can read my mind or something and detect that I’m weak or uselessnta, women can't read your mind but they can sense something off about you that they'd rather avoid; that thing isn't present in the other dudes, its got nothing to do with heightheight is honestly the biggest meme that men fell for and still think is relevantthe internet isnt how real life works, just because Tinder women are vapid doesnt mean real life is like thisare you a fun person to talk to?that's where you need to startif you're genuinely a fun person who other people enjoy having conversations with, you'll have no problem talking to womennot saying to jestermaxxx but learn how to banter with anyonegirls arent anything specialyou banter with dudes and you banter with girlsyou SLIGHTLY change topics when talking to girls but generally you talk to one almost exactly the same as you talk to another girlso if you want to talk to more girls, talk to more guysits 1000% easier to chat up dudes and practice social skills this way than it would be to cold approach 100 women--which is like jumping into a cold shower every single day for no fucking reason
>>34310804Quick question: how old are you? If you’re at least 30 then that explains your reply here.
>>34312085>If you’re at least 30 then that explains your reply here.NtaWhy do you think guys under 30 are incapable of talking to girls?Because the issue clearly isn't with the girls.
>>34313163I don’t think they’re incapable of talking to girls. I just think some of what they think about girls is outdated. That guy said that only shallow women on tinder care about height, which is clearly not true. First of all, women both young and old are on dating apps, and women generally prefer tall men. It’s not just a subset of shallow women (as if women are not generally shallow) who care about it.
Grils have zero to offer you blud. Not in an incel way, but more like birds run into clear windows all the time. Also, waitresses are typically ran thru - focus on something else
>>34313620>That guy said that only shallow women on tinder care about height, which is clearly not true. That's not what he said.He said height is irrelevant in real life. And as I've known a handful of guys that were short yet still pussy magnets, I would say that it's true.>First of all, women both young and old are on dating apps, and women generally prefer tall men.True enough.>It’s not just a subset of shallow women (as if women are not generally shallow) who care about it.Women are universally less superficial and vapid irl than online because they're interacting with the man, more than just his stats and a line of text on a screen.In my experience and observation, women who genuinely refuse to date a man shorter than then them are vapid, superficial cunts not worth fucking with.Many women don't admit their preferences to themselves and/or don't expect to get a perfect guy. So if they meet a charming guy who makes them feel great to be with, they'll overlook a few things.But if you remain just a list of traits to them, yeah, they'll pick the taller, richer, and more handsome list of traits. Be a man instead.
