>get a match
>message her
>immediately unmatched
Bruh…

>>34343022
Part and parcel mate, soldier on

On the topic of dating apps, you guys ever had a woman reach out to you after some time has passed (like several weeks or months)? I see some stuff like that all over the Internet, but in my case I either meet the girl within a week of matching or the convo dies in that timeframe

>meet some girls in some event etc. and add them on insta
>one of the girls keeps sending me long messages
>the other girl keeps sensing me pictures of the long message girl doing cutesy shit
So uhh??

>>34343009
are there any more links and pastebins for dating adv? Bodybuilding.com misc unironically had the best post from coalman back in the day. I cannot fucking find it since they nvked the misc in 2022. Anyone have other resources, infographs or pastebins?

>>34343022
czeched. Anon its a numbers game, don't take dating apps so srs. Right now unironically, cold approaching is the wave. My buddy whos a therapist was telling me that all these zoomers are DMing girls at their gym and not approaching and his client basically walked up and asked her out and it worked out.

>>34343120
my friend who excels with women has this happen. He matches with girls, adds them on snap or ig, then it fizzles out, months later they swipe up on his shit and they fuck. He claims six foot but is 5 11, skinny fat, 26 y/0 bouncer, not muscular, tons of tatts

>>34343127
pivot to get them to hang, if they are both interested in you and you dont want LTR just fuck both or see if they are down to have a threesome

>>34343157
replying to my own post because if any anon has the coalman bodybuilding.com misc thread saved it would be so clutch

>>34343171
>it’s a numbers game
My number is 0

>>34343405
Not true anon. You know that girl you had a crush on in high school? You'll meet another one of her in college, and then at work, and then somewhere else. You'll still have a chance no matter what finding her. You'll just encounter different variations of her throughout your life.

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Just try to be a decent guy through it all. Don't expect more or less, but just be calm and decent about who you are.

>>34343009
To the people who actually bother reading these threads.
What lessons have you learned fron reading through these? What is smart and what is dumb course of action?

>>34343523
Not listening or reading people who only base their entire identity on status and deception. If you are one of those people, I prefer being happy than right even if I die with a spear shoved up my ass to my mouth, I say that with balls.

>>34343171
>cold approaching is the wave.
Clav said this too. I believe it.

>>34343536
What? Are all tripfags mentally disabled?

>>34343541
Better than being confused and giving up on life like you.

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>>34343523
>smart
Stop giving real women attention
>dumb
self improoving but doing it harder and harder against ever shittier mating conditions and never self reflect

>>34343541
And while we're at it, everytime you backtalk to me just imagine GIVING YOU THE MIDDLE FINGER when you laugh at me and talk negatively about me and other people trying to have fun.

>>34343157
Maybe post what you remember coalman saying yourself if you can’t find it.

Genuinely what the fuck is a young man supposed to do to meet women.
>inb4 jewish humiliation ritual dating apps
>inb4 church larp

There's a girl at church who I want to ask out for coffee or lunch but I don't get any good signals from her. Today I talked to her and walked to the parking lot with her but she didn't seem super interested in a longe conversation and when she got to her car was like "well this is me" and left. Is this salvageable at all? I'm friends with her friend and can inquire with her but Idk.

>>34343784
You have to learn how to be at peace being alone first, before trying to date. It is so that you don't freak all out and go all over the place when people act strange around you. People like myself look pissed off a lot but don't intend to, and women are the same way. The balance in such an interaction is understanding the meaning behind the attitude and knowing when to continue or not. You may say, "well Zach wouldn't be more appropriate to be quiet and in a hole your entire life?" To that I say no, because interaction is gonna happen no matter what. To survive now-a-days is to interact.

>Took a girl out to lunch on Wednesday
>she seems super into me, leaning in, eyes locked on me
>afterward say "This was fun. Let's do dinner next week."
>She says yes
>Text her the next day with the plan
>No response for 3 days, message says delivered, but not read
I resisted the urge to follow up, but unless she reaches out, I don't expect to see her again. I'm pretty surprised considering how well it seemed to go. I know girls are flaky, but does anyone have experience with a girl agreeing to a second date in person, but then ghosting? This girl is also a friend of a friend, not some random from an app. I'll probably run into her again, and that will probably be awkward.

>>34343784
>friends
>family
>house parties
>dinner parties
>concerts
>festivals
>raves
>sports (playing and watching)
>board game nights
>Trivia nights
>Karaoke
>Choir
>dancing
>film clubs
>book clubs
>writing clubs
>hiking clubs
>gardening/landscaping clubs and classes
>shooting (archery and gun)
>martial arts
>gyms
>car meetups
>art shows
>cooking classes
>painting classes
>photography meetups or classes
>museums
>volunteer work
>horse riding
>pottery class
>wine tastings
>jewelry making
>foreign language class
>school in general
>bars
>clubs
>get a dog and go to dog parks
And a ton of other things, literally the possibilities are endless, women are everywhere. Not every event will be filled with women, not every woman you meet will be single or interested in you. You should also do things you're genuinely interested in, or are interested in learning about, and not just go to try to meet women, people can tell when you're there to just creep on the females. The main thing you need to do is talk, talk to everyone (young old male female) and befriending new people means they could possibly introduce you to women who are single. But talking is the key.
Women almost never pursue or cold approach men, they need to warm up to your presence and personality and the only way to achieve that is if you talk to the people around you.

>>34343912
>I resisted the urge to follow up, but unless she reaches out, I don't expect to see her again.
"Hey did you forget about our plans?" With a smiling or thinking emoji or some shit. Or "Is everything okay?"
Sometimes people do genuinely forget or get distracted. If she doesn't respond after that just move on.

>>34343784
Public transit

>>34343545
Because all you want to do is call people retarded for not thinking like you?

Don't be strict.

answer the phone
I know that you're home
I wanna get you alone
and do it again, do it again~

https://pzorito.bandcamp.com/album/shoegaze-ray

How am I supposed to find someone to have sex with me when I’ve only ever had awful sex with tinder sluts just twice. Straight up I feel like a total failure.

>>34343922
It's been 4 days. I did consider reaching out again, but don't want to come off as needy. I figure if she really liked me she would get around to checking my message eventually.
It does seem unlikely that she would ghost me. We have mutual friends so it's not like we won't bump into each other. I'd be happy with a refusal even. The ambiguity is what bothers me. Maybe I'll follow up tomorrow. It'd be a shame to lose a good connection to happenstance.

>>34344634
Just straight up acknowledge it.
>Hello, I sent you text but you didn't respond. I would like to take you out to dinner, but I will understand if you are not interested.
The end of all ambiguity when she doesn't respond.

>>34344816
That's about the worst message you could send. Not only it sounds entitled, it also sounds insecure.

Women often agree to a second date or give you their number just to make sure you won't sperg out in front of them. Don't do anything. If she wants, she'll respond, but let's be real here, she might as well not. Once 7 days pass without response you can safely call it quits.

>>34344634
State dependent memory access, bro.
If you asked her if she wants to do a second date while she was having fun, she won't remember that when she is in her normal everday life. However, you make her laugh again with a funny, unrelated text or send a meme you know will make her laugh, she might come back to it

>>34345189
I'm sorry but if she liked him he wouldn't have to resort to those highly advanced psychological tricks no guy over 5/10 ever had to use to get a girl

>>34345209
>highly complex and psychological topic (dating / women / social interaction)
>Just be attractive bro
You are not entirely wrong, but at the same time, it helps understand part of the reason why women are so flaky. Might as well use as much forbidden and forgotten knowledge as possible to optimize.

>>34345050
He wants an answer he can get one right now by calling. I wouldn't have waited four days. I would've double texted the next day. Everyone is on their phones all the time, there's only the slight possible they didn't see it or didn't receive it, so send another message. Literally nothing to lose, except according to that guy, some girl, might think some thing, and then in the imaginary game inside his head, he loses and then he will resent it for a while later because he "waited" for her.

>>34343009
Does finding a new hobby actually help you become more attractive? I feel like creative writing and literature might be a good low maintenance hobby that’s universal and you can bond with pretty much anyone over that.

>>34345289
It has to be a social hobby and writing is a solitary hobby. You need to go out and interact with people, unless you're going to join a creative writing group.

>>34343916
what if there's simply nothing in that list that you're interested in? say you don't have friends or family that could naturally expose you to new people or activities, and there are genuinely no other "normal" activities which interest you? in fact most of the clubs, events and activities out there are really quite mundane. will you suggest simply pretending to give a fuck just to "fit in" to have a chance of meeting someone? it sounds performative and vain.

I’m 31 and want to start dating seriously with the goal of finding a wife. I’m looking for advice on how to handle that intentionally.

Here’s my situation:

Friend’s wife set me up with a 33-year-old Christian woman. She’s more “cute” than conventionally attractive, we had a long museum date, and she seems like she’d make a solid partner and mother (teacher, serious about her faith).

Hinge match #1: 33, liberal, also Christian, cuter, we’ve been talking for a few days and are planning to meet. She seems more feminist and socially liberal.

Hinge match #2: 30, cute, not very responsive but agreed to a date on Wednesday.

My question: is it wrong or bad to date multiple women at the same time if I’m clear that I don’t have sex before marriage and I’m just trying to get real “practice” and discern who is the best long-term match?

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>big group 130km hike coming up
>in group conversation last week
>me:" I need to start training for it"
>other girls and qt show interest
>try to set it up with qt and other girl
>qt agrees to go today
>other girl can't today
qt is probably the hottest girl I know , not that I have a chance with her, there's simply no chemistry interest on her part. I'm not romantically involved, but of course, she's hot.
Is it weird if I don't tell her the other girl can't come today? meaning it's just us too? or is it weird if I do tell her?
I guess I don't want it to seem like I've set up some "alone time" with her. please let me know
btw picrel is pretty much her build.

>>34345507
sorry about the reddit spacing

>>34345522
Do not mention it ahead of time. That would give us the ick
Play it off like it doesn't matter at all that the other woman didn't come and that you just want to train, but her being there is fun.
You basically have a free date. Fyi they are both attracted to you

>>34345507
>is it wrong or bad to date multiple women at the same time
No in fact that’s the ideal situation to be in starting out. In all likelihood these women are probably already doing that. Just don’t speak about it with your dates.
>if I’m clear that I don’t have sex before marriage and I’m just trying to get real “practice” and discern who is the best long-term match?
That’s something you should be upfront about early just so your dates are on the same page as you. This will filter out a lot of people. Also don’t describe these dates as “practice” unless you want them to think you’re wasting their time while you wait for someone better to come along.

>>34345507
No, you're in the courting phase.

>>34345596
>Play it off like it doesn't matter at all that the other woman didn't come and that you just want to train.
thanks, that was the plan. it's also the truth.
>Fyi they are both attracted to you
I know one of the three girls is, but not the qt. Although the qt looked excited and smiled when I mentioned we should start training and asked to join in, I don't think she's into me sexually. She doesn't call me by my first name and, doesn't really come near me and never initiates physical contact, even playfully. I've dropped some clues here and there over the last year, slight compliments but she simply smiled and didn't say much. She's also very shy, but I don't think there's anything to do with that.

>>34345507
Check the second hinge date. First two women sound like they'd be a hassle. You need a wife who accepts you as human. If they are serious slip in some embarassing info to test if they like you or not. You may say it is a bad idea, but women who trust your skeletons in the closet are more likely to be in a long term relationship than those who don't. Anons here may tell you Zach is a dumb faggot who only knows anime body pillow love or some shit like that, but trust me if she can't accept it now it'll be a problem later on.

>>34345491
Just go to the mall and if you see any pretty girls tell them they owe you sex.

>>34345491
So what does interest you then? Whatever obscure thing you're into, you might be surprised how many other people share it. So do that instead, the list that anon gave you was meant to be *examples* and not a specific command. At the very least it will probably help you find some friends which it sounds like you're in need of at least as much as a woman.
If there is absolutely nothing, "normie" or otherwise which interests you in this world, consider that you in fact might be the problem.

>match with cute Asian girl (obviously because how would I match with a non obese white woman)
>chat with her a bit
>she says she's surprised to see me still there
>uhhh
>I didn't know I had already matched with her 2 years ago and we even exchanged numbers back then
>I have trouble responding to her because even I don't know why I can't find someone. She's implying I am a good lad.
>chat a bit but get pissed off by her lack of engagement and character. It felt like her saying she has the cards, and doesn't need any man
>unmatch her, fuck that

t. 73kg 6ft white man living in Canada. 320k net worth.

>>34345625
>>34345606
>>34345600
thanks bros. I've never been so successful at once with multiple women. and the first girl seems really into me but also lives 1.5hrs away. But also this shit's expensive, I need to do less expensive dates.

>>34343916
Can you do all of them without bringing a friend? I swear all of my single friends are bigger recluses than me. I went to a club alone once and had a fling that lasted a couple of weeks, but I feel like the other events would have a better chance at finding someone healthy.

26, soon to be 27 anon here.
what are some vital tips on setting up your profiles?
I never dated and have next to zero experience with women, and I really want to change this.
I downloaded Tinder, Hinge and Meetic, and genuinely don't know what to put there. Don't worry I don't have high expectations.

>>34343009
its been literally years since i even thought of it. i dont see a women like OP's pic in my life, gorgeous and wholesome but i just don't thinnk it would mesh with my lifestyle , she wouldnt get the weird art i am into , thought provoking music, literature, philosophy. we don't have to be the same... i know that but i doubt a women like her would.

nobody local and when i tr ied dating app it was the same too. am beaten up by life at that level i guess. wonder if ... its kind of fucked up i am wondering if some international dating agency could be ok for me. or some serious one from my country... but okcupid was shit, pof too.

>>34343916
Not him, but:

>friends
All my friends are either busy and married with kids or sit inside and browse Twitter all day.
>family
My family sucks ass and most of them moved away anyway.
>house parties
>dinner parties
Again, all my friends are either married or social media addicted shut-ins.
>concerts
>festivals
Great, but these only happened where I live 1-2 times a year at most, and even that requires a 1+ hour drive.
>raves
The nearest one is about a 2-3 hour drive.
>sports (playing and watching)
The only people who go to sporting events are retired boomers. There are barely any sports clubs where I live outside of pickleball and tennis, which are all filled with boomers.
>board game nights
Literally all neckbeards and trannies who don't shower.
>Trivia nights
See above, except with more boomers.
>Karaoke
The nearest karaoke place is a 2-3 hour drive.
>Choir
Nearest choir that is open to join is probably a 1-2 hour drive.
>dancing
I'll probably be the only guy there and look like a creep.
>film clubs
Nearest one is probably a 2-3 hour drive.
>book clubs
The ones near me are filled with 50+ boomer women. Book clubs with people my age will require a 2-3 hour drive.
>writing clubs
They don't exist near me. Again, will probably require a 2-3 hour drive.
>hiking clubs
The nearest hiking trails are 2-3 hours away
>gardening/landscaping clubs and classes
There nearest ones are like a 2-3 hour drive and filled with 50+ women.
>shooting (archery and gun)
All the ones near me are filled with boomers.
>martial arts
All the gyms near me cost like $200/month
>gyms
No one wants to talk at the gym.
>car meetups
>art shows
>cooking classes
>painting classes
>photography meetups
>museums
>volunteer work
>pottery class
>wine tastings
>jewelry making
>foreign language class
All the ones near me are filled with boomers.
>school in general
Graduated a decade ago.
>bars
>clubs
My only viable option. And even most of the bars are shitty dives that nobody under 50 goes to.

>>34345901
Oke what's the point of this post?

>>34345928
Anon has convinced themself that happiness is impossible, all while not having actually tried to attain happiness.

AMA

>slept on the couch last night so she could nurse the baby in our bed without disturbing me.
> i wake up horny on the couch, and cold
>watch a little jav on my laptop to warm up and get the precum going
>she comes down. kids want to watch TV.
>i say "u wanna go upstairs for a bit?" and kiss her
>game on
>lay her down missionary in our king bed
>position my cock right at her entrance, so she can rub my precum up and down her slit (30s)
>she massages my balls and i go deep, slow and sensual at first (2 min)
> go quicker in short strokes, gradually get faster and faster (2 min)
>start to cum, don't stop pumping at all, lose all control
> chain reaction starts, she then has a big orgasm.

>>34343854
Just ask her. Her answer will indicate her interest.

>>34345644
>expecting women to have good text game
secure the date or move on, keep it simple

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>>34343009
I think a lot of mid to high-mid dudes who hit this board pining about finding a girlfriend probably assume dating apps are the only way to meet women in current year. Women don't assess men based on looks alone, they're reactive emotional animals. Her attraction to you goes from 0 to 100 based on social interaction. Throwing all your dating cards on the table before you know someone's name is incredibly unnatural awkward behavior. People need to circle each other like dogs in low stakes social interactions before they date. Involve yourself in social circles, whatever gets you into back yard cookouts, hiking groups, house shows, etc, and practice talking to people until you make friends. When you see a girl ask her questions about herself, act interested in her responses, respond with anecdotes, jokes, have a normal conversation. After meeting a girl a couple times and you know what she's about, ask if she's single, her response to that question will tell you if she wants you to ask her out.

At the very least you'll end up with friends, which is a lot better than being single with no friends.

I’m on my daily commute and there’s a pretty girl sitting a few seats away by herself. Dubs and I talk to her and try to ask her out.

as a white guy, I hate how easy it is to get a black or asian woman compared to getting a white woman. I didn't start getting with white women until my 30's. my first white gf only lasted a moment well into my mid-thirties because I didn't know how to act. You can do whatever you want with the browns but white girls are hardcore, at least the hot ones.

>>34346377
>Her attraction to you goes from 0 to 100 based on social interaction
this is completely false based on my interactions
i studied game, i know how to read iois etc
i can tell you each step of attraction
i am confident

but, there has been 0 interactions in which i've gotten a girl to go from low attraction to high attraction over time

attraction is mostly decided on initial interaction
and majority of that is purely looks (i.e. height and face)
behavior can only pull you down or keep you at your level
it can not realistically increase attraction

what you may see though is:
girl who is not completely convinced but will give you a chance (she has already decided you are attractive enough)
and the longer you interact with her, the more her initial judgement is deemed correct and she warms up
which is probably what youre saying i guess

>>34346377
Seems like a lot of work

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>>34347340
I'm black and I have never had an issue getting white women. More or less, all women generally want or believe in the same things when it comes to romance, white women aren't special or different. But you did good by dating other groups of women, too many guys only want white women, missing out on black, brown, and yellow goddesses, and then complaining about being lonely or women not liking them. If you're a virgin, or lonely and you don't want to be, there should not be a single racist thought in your head or bone in your body, you should be casting a wide net to catch up any woman that's curious enough to swim toward you.

>>34347502
No I agree with that other anon that attraction can increase with behavior. Situations like when a girl sees you being impressive in a social context can make you go from “meh” to “ooh” in her eyes very quickly.

>>34347694
so like stephen hawking doing a lecture in which he commands the attention of thousands of people will make all girls wet their pants in the vicinity?

i think there's a limit
i.e. girls have three buckets they put you in (based on looks)
one attractive and don't care how he acts
two decent enough (this is where behavior / social skills / status buys you time with her enough time so that you become a part of her life)
three not attractive no chance

so yes stephen hawking doing some impressive shit, will get a couple girls to fuck him (they already had him in the decent enough bucket)

but no matter what you do sometimes you're just fucked

>>34347779
>stephen hawking
He's been married twice and he has multiple children too. He even cheated on his first wife and married his nurse, a woman that wiped his ass for a living. You all disregard the power of having and showing a personality. I've told a few stories about this before, one of them is how my cousin is paralyzed from the waist down, and women physically fight over this dude. He can't fuck, he needs a nurse for his day to day care, and multiple woman are fighting over him. He gets attention from women because he has a personality, he's ambitious, he's engaged with community work, he's constantly talking to and meeting new people, people love the passion he displays. Women are not complicated, all you need to do is talk to them and not be a piece of shit.

>>34347779
>i think

Genuine question - how much experience do you have dating women? You don’t have to believe me, go on ATOGA or other social media where girls hang out.

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>>34347794
>He gets attention from women because he has a personality,
oh i agree, anyone in this world can get a girl
the question is, if that girl is a high quality girl
this is where subjectivity comes into play for sure

>>34347843
hundreds of dates, im attractive enough to get constant dates on dating apps
many long term relationships

when I was younger after extreme frustration I went down the PUA rabbit hole. and did hundreds of approaches tried many tactics, improved my tone, behavior everything

and based on all this experience i can confidently say that, girls, will literally just disqualify you right away
and this happens more often than not
the girls you can actually get with, were predetermined from before you even talk to her

then, your behavior can either disqualify you or buy you more time
but not build anymore attraction

so for that stephen hawking example, would you want to marry his wives?

his first is homely, second is old etc...
like I know in this world you get what you can get, basically.

>>34346377
>Her attraction to you goes from 0 to 100 based on social interaction.
>>34347502
>attraction is mostly decided on initial interaction and majority of that is purely looks (i.e. height and face)
Kek love how I'm screwed anyway because I neither have looks nor good social skills.

>>34343009
I always assume that white women hate me for being a tall white male, but I still give them the benefit of the doubt. Turns out I’m always right. I’m always right every fucking time. Foids are fucking demons.

Now that I actually reflect on my life, I have actually had a lot of opportunities to have a gf. I always just sabotage it or reject them. Then for years, I would lie to myself and say that I'm an incel and no one likes me. I wonder why I do that? I squandered so many opportunities in my life.

>>34348169
white women love tall white men the most
>>34345901
move away
>>34345716
>wholesome
women in the OP pic is a hoe
>>34345681
post online for advice. Otherwise, farther away pics (or longer lens) is better.

>>34348173
Time to grow up put yourself out there to make friends and don't be afraid to fail

>>34348169
Statistically white women exclusively date white men, they're the least likely to date out of their racial group. It's not because you're tall and white, it's because you've got a shit attitude, poor behavior, and weird opinions.

>>34348199
They avoid eye contact with me, but smile at the random black guy. You cannot tell me what I’ve been seeing isn’t real.

>>34346377
>Involve yourself in social circles, whatever gets you into back yard cookouts, hiking groups, house shows, etc, and practice talking to people until you make friends.

step 1 be bitchless
step 2 ???
step 3 profit

that's the hardest part for retard shut-ins, bro. if i could sneak my way into an actual social situation where people my age hang out, i wouldn't be here typing slurs, bro.
i don't even want bitches, but some friends would be dope.

>>34348271
It's the way you carry yourself. You probably have resting bitch face, people just don't tell men that they have this issue. Relax your face, put it in a gentle neutral position, try smiling more when you greet people, if you wear sun glasses stop wearing them so that people are more likely to meet your eyes. I had resting bitch face when I was a kid, like at age 12, some 14 year old girls actually commented on it in passing. I was smart enough to listen, I think about this every few years, they probably saved my life because it changed the way I interacted with everyone not just women.

>>34347606
>black and i have never had an issue getting white women
you have the jew media to thank. enjoy it for now nigger.

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What's the difference between going out/ hanging out and taking a girl out on a date?

Can a woman imply I'm asking her out on a date? I'm planning on meeting her today and ask
>Hey I find you interesting and I want to get to know you more. Would you be free next Saturday to go to the zoo with me?

>>34348484
No, nice try doofus. I was born in the 80s, interracial stuff was much less prevalent in our TV shows and movies, we had no social media as well, and I grew up in a segregated southern city, and it still is mostly segregated till this day. What I will say is I have a lot of women in my family, and I was fortunate enough to have married parents, unlike many people around me. Having an engaged father figure that took me to meet his clients, having a large family, and lots of women to interact with did wonders for socializing me, because I've always been bookish, quiet, nerd. Been dating white, black, and latina women since high school because girls are not a mystery, they all like and want the same shit pretty much.

hello anons need help

im 21 above average looks, work out often (still look DYEL tho) plus i know how to dress well. i want to be able to fuck more women its the only thing i want. Yes, ive been following the thread for a long time. I've read the advice i even finished watching the 16 hour seminar blueprint decoded, blew my fucking mind away, ffw almost a year later, I FORGOT WTF it was about so i started absorbing other sources of information i.e myron gaines, bxtches aint shxt, how to lay girls guide, etc..

>be me
>drink with the guys
>girls are there
>brought muh very aggressive vibe (girls love that no?)
>"anon i didnt know you smoked. you seemed so nice back when we were filming"
>its my new hobby why do u care
>hellyeahthesebitchesaintshit
>ffw 2 hours to doing nothing but that kind of response to the hoes
>pretend to head to the bathroom but ackshually leave the party bc its late plus its AURA
>next day
>get told by my guys that the girl we were hanging out with thought i was a 14 year old autist
>earlier the dudes went out drinking again and didnt invite me

heres the problem: i cant fucking escalate. idk how to approach. i read lots of advice and i dont know which ones to apply.

I joined this theater thing and there are lots of baddies there that i want to have a vigorous sex session with.

ive been with 6 different women but all of them wanted me and 4 of them were from dating apps despite all this I DONT KNOW HOW TO INITIATE conversation. i dont want to only rely on my looks, please bros this is serious.

about me: i love classic books (genuinely), dressing well, graphic design, filmmaking/screenwriting. I always project a vibe of openness and being a "bad boy."

HOW. Please bros. I dont wanna jerk off to porn anymore atp i just do it to get rid of my boners.

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>>34348495
>Hey I find you interesting and I want to get to know you more. Would you be free next Saturday to go to the zoo with me?
That very much sounds like you are asking her out on a date.
>What's the difference between going out/ hanging out and taking a girl out on a date?
How do you know this girl? Dates are planned, you enter into it with romantic intention. Hanging out is more nebulous, and informal, and friendly. Like a scenario of hanging out would be me talking to a neighbor, friend, coworker, classmate deciding that I'm thirsty and asking them to walk or drive with me to the nearest store, this can turn into just sitting at the cafe, in a park, or in the car and chatting for a bit.

If things are moving forward with you and her and things are still stable then don't worry.

>>34348564
>get told by my guys that the girl we were hanging out with thought i was a 14 year old autist
You type like you are, there's a lot to unpack here. I'm not even sure if this isn't a joke reply, but for the sake of the other anons reading this I'll try.
>brought muh very aggressive vibe (girls love that no?)
No they don't, women hate that shit.
>"anon i didnt know you smoked. you seemed so nice back when we were filming"
>its my new hobby why do u care
She was trying to break the ice and start a conversation (remember girls can be awkward too) There are so many better ways you could have responded but you shut her down.
"It's good for relaxing" or "Only on nice nights out" You could have even left it at "It's my new hobby" causally offer her a cig or maybe even a puff or two of your own so you two can share a little moment.
>hellyeahthesebitchesaintshit
what?
>ffw 2 hours to doing nothing but that kind of response to the hoes
Why? What's wrong with normal conversation?
>pretend to head to the bathroom but ackshually leave the party bc its late plus its AURA
Leaving without saying goodbye is rude and weird if you're with a small group, it makes you seem like you were too embarrassed, anxious, or awkward to do it. Negative AURA points.
>earlier the dudes went out drinking again and didnt invite me
You were killing the vibe and scaring the hoes, good riddance, I wouldn't have invited you out again either.

>>34348592
I see thanks man. I know this girl from work. We hang out here and there to grab milkshakes or just walk around. I asked an irl for advice and he suggested for me to find out how she feels about me, but then I told him about the zoo idea, and suggested I asked her there instead

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>>34345522
UPDATE:
we walked 10km and it went great. She was very talkative and smiled all the time. Just a nice evening.

>>34348701
>I know this girl from work. We hang out here and there to grab milkshakes or just walk around.
Ah okay, then asking her to come to the zoo with you is okay. Go for it. If she says no don't take it as an L, I would keep doing what you're already doing, and invite her out one more time, if she gives a second no then she's not interested and you can move on.

>>34348689
so be chill?

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I met a girl at a conference about a month ago and we've been talking to each other and gone on a few dates (although we've not called them that) and I'm not really sure what's going on with us at all. I moved to Asia for work so there's probably some culture differences going on that I don't understand, on top of not understanding women in general.
On one hand, she mentioned the kind of men she likes and I don't really fit that description at all, said she doesn't like me but might want to if she knows me better, knows I own a bodypillow and crossplay sometimes, has seen me cry, thinks I'm a weird nerd (because I am), and knows that I'm still quite hurt by a BPDemon I e-dated.
On the other hand, she's gone out of her way to organise every date, talks to me every day, said I smell "safe" and really likes how I smell (a mix of old spice, too much washing powder, and sweat), and spent like 2 hours hugging me in a quiet park and only stopped because we might have missed our trains if we kept going.
I've never hugged a girl before so I didn't really know what I was doing. She started stroking my hair so I did that back to her, and that turned into caressing her ear and neck because I was at kind of a weird angle. Did I do that right? Was this a romantic hug or was she just consoling me because I was crying like a bitch just before it happened.

I'm an autistic, kissless virgin if that wasn't obvious.

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It all feels like such cope. And hopeless. Just heard about this girl i went to high school with got divorced from her husband who she had been together with for like 10 years. She cheated on him with some 45 year old guy as like a 32 year old. Apparently though he was a dick to her and i guess she hit her limit and decided to retaliate like that and now the marriage is over. Shes dating some new guy, also she's probably one of the hottest women ive ever seen IRL. It's kind of mind blowing desu.

>>34349097
Why in the world are you so concerned about a classmate's, from fifteen years ago, marriage that it managed to put you into in this state of mind? To make you feel better, half of all marriages work out, with couples never divorcing, but you don't hear anything about these marriages. You probably don't even have a girlfriend right now so why are you talking about this lmao. You should stop psyching yourself out about people you don't know and focus on finding a partner for yourself.

>>34349207
Im probably going to get drafted so who gives a fuck anyway. It's over.

The best response when a woman feels negative for no reason is the light-hearted one, not the one that challenges her even more. This is especially true if she has practical reasons to be in that negative state of mind, even though you are not a part of it.

>>34348498
good lad, low neuroticism, high functioning. An example for all of us.

t. another white dude with no rizz and can only seem to attract pretty asian women. I don't mind that, I have crazy yellow fever, but I'd like to connect with "my own" for once

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Is it just me or do women ghost a lot more now?

I know that the protocol is to usually just leave them alone when they do that, and sometimes that does lead to them coming back, but lately I've lost multiple women by doing this. They just fade away entirely.

>run more numbers
Doing that is starting to expend a ridiculous amount of effort because it just leads to the cycle all over again. Plus talking to multiple women is just logistically a headache.
So I'm wondering if there's any other strategy aside from ghosting them back because I'm getting tired of the [meet a woman > talk or date for a bit > ghost] cycle.

Just feels like romantic/sexual purgatory.

>>34349309
this is true. also be ready for it all the time. she won't just do it once, but twice, thrice, etc..

I thought I got through her defenses and then a couple months in she pulls out "you just want me for my ass". I was a bit stressed/sleep deprived at the time. I remained calm up until then. I felt very passionately about her and was drunk with emotion unfortunately.
I said i was having a hard time showing her love because I was grieving my mom. Some shit like that. I've been just negative and angry for some years, it was true. She had been feeling pressure from me, telling me that she felt like she was making a lot of mistakes. I don't remember telling her she was fucking up, but I'd act distant and lessen my loving toward her when she was pulling back about our future together. So I pulled back to and just started fucking her like a slut, stopped telling her I loved her because whenever I did I felt like it wasn't requited, I said it very shyly.

>>34349856
Out of the last 5 numbers I've gotten, I'll get ONE response and that's it. Admittedly I'm not asking them a question but just giving them a relevant or random statement to see her response then lead into an invite to date, but idk. I might just start spamming them

>>34349860
That's pretty much what my ratio has been lately. It's so much worse than just a few years ago.
In 2023 I went on like 8 first dates in the span of 6 months. Didn't require nearly as much effort. I don't use apps at all and met all these girls irl through my social circles or warm approaches and out of every contact I got more than half turned into dates.

Last summer I slept with 3 girls inside a month and even rejected another. So although I'm not a chad it's not like I'm a guy who can't get laid at all.

But now when I meet girls I can barely get texts back. It's making me wonder if mutual ghosting has just become the standard, and that if this is the case maybe the dating meta requires new strategies.

I wanna give love-bombing a try, but I'm not exactly sure how to execute something like that.

>>34343009
>still no "how to hate women" general
Grim.

>>34349856
I double text with impunity. If there's no reaction, I move on. Generally I don't assume a woman is into me until we meet for a second time.

>>34348470
Then I look like a retard simp smiling at girls who ignore me

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>>34348894
She's asked to visit this Sunday to play video games and said she wants to eat my pasta (the one thing I said I can cook).
Does she want something more than that? Will she want to kiss? I'm scared. How do I not fuck this up?

>>34349856
>asked girl out
>agreed and gave her a date and place any my number
>no response, and today's the day
I'm going to unmatch with her. This is nigger behavior

>>34350281
> it's because you've got a shit attitude, poor behavior, and weird opinions.
So I was right in my first reply.
Making yourself appear approachable doesn't make you look like a retard simp. Women aren't mind readers. And you're not even willing to take the tiniest, easiest, first step to improving your outcomes with them, so what's the point of coming here to complain about this?

>>34350386
It's on you to take it to fucking or whatever. Don't worry if you can't. It doesn't matter.

>>34350711
>It's on you to take it to fucking or whatever
How would I go about doing that? Should I even be attempting that if we've only been talking for a month? That seems way too soon.

>>34350386
>woman invites herself over without you having to ask
She's not coming there to only play mario kart and eat pasta anon. Nothing is ever 100% certain, but this seems like you've got it in the bag. Play the game and chat for an hour, cook for her, maybe put a little music on, eat, netflix, kiss and fuck.

>>34350386
Sit her on the couch and sit next to her. Talk for a bit, then put your hand on the back of the sofa, next to her. Start playing with her hair (you can give her a compliment while you're at it), if she's not stopping you, go for a kiss. Should she stop you at any point just act normal, don't get surly

I lost my 20s to bar health, how do I inject myself back in. I graduated HS and got my drivers license. I need a girl to celebrate, my age makes me look much older than my status peers. I need a date for grafuation.

>>34350500
Same thing happened here.

>>34350802
It happens at some point to every guy on the dating apps

>>34350808
how many humiliations must we suffer bros?

>>34350808
It was even worse for me, she was the one actively engaging etc. I mean I don't really care, she was a 30 year old used up roast. But still, the lead on is a bit meh.

>>34350824
>>34350828
Just don't get your hopes up until you see her walking into the venue

>>34350676
Because I’ve tried that, that’s how I know you are wrong.

>>34350777 (nice Boeing trips)
I see. I'll make sure my apartment is spotless and just hope for the best then.

>>34350781
Thank you, anon I'll try this. I live in a very small apartment so we'll probably just be sitting on the edge of my bed together but I'm not sure if that'll change anything.

I find it interesting that people say don’t message a girl first she’ll message you again if she’s interested but I’ve gotten way better results when I’ve bothered her first and get nothing when I don’t

>>34351165
You mean as in double texting? I was thinking about this the other day because of my current predicament.

So I went through all my previous text chains, at least the ones that were available, to see if this had ever happened with me and this is what I've gathered.

Usually if a girl doesn't respond the first time I send another message a few days later, and often that can lead to a successful recovery.

But if I try for a 3rd message that always fails.

I remember years ago I read an article where some pickup-guru talks about "media switching" where instead of double texting you switch to social media like instagram or Facebook to continue the conversation or start another one.

I've used that a few times I don't remember if it was successful at all or not.

>>34351307
I don’t mean spamming her in the same day but being the person to initiate every conversation usually or most, also if she ignores the first one messaging again days later always seems to work and she acts normal about it, bad as it sounds it still gets the best results.

>>34351319
I don't mind that. In my experience women start chasing after you fuck them 2-4 times, but it's always really hard to get those initial 2-4 dates. You have to put in way more effort at the start, but once you clear those initial obstacles women will do the heavy work afterwards.

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>match girl on Hinge
>tells me she also loves cornbread
>asks if I can really speak Chinese
>tell her I'm happy to meet another cornbread enjoyer
>tell her yes I can speak Chinese, just don't speak too fast
>tells me she can help me practice because she is Chinese
>also that she is visiting for 2 weeks
>in Chinese tell her "That's great! Do you have WeChat? It's more convenient"
>check app 5 minutes later
>unmatched

Brother, what?
Tells me she can help me practice Chinese but when I ask for her WeChat she immediately un-matches me.
Did she think I was just going to practice with her through Hinge?

Do any of you guys know how to love bomb women?

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>>34351886
Bro's trying to learn dark psychology to manipulate women lol

>like a cute white girl at a mall I work at, different store
>try talking to her but she's either shy or uninterested, she asks some questions but convo doesnt flow much
>kinda cute weird looking asian girl appears, find out shes from the same store
>is asking me when I'm off, what I do, etc
>get her number
>double texts me walls of texts
So now I just need to friendzone the asian and show that we're hanging out infront of the white girl and then ask the white girl out and I'm good right?
This has happened before, I noticed having friiendzoned women around you increases your attractiveness x2.

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I'm a 33 year old virgin. This was me last year at an anime-con. What would you say makes me so unattractive to women?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JuWtfIvoQGg

>>34352059
>>friendzone the asian and show that we're hanging out infront of the white girl
What are you, a woman? Genuinely, because that whole being someone else's friend just to look good in front of another woman is another level of shallowness.

You do realise how petty it sounds, right? Be friends with you if you want to be friends, but if not, don't. And certainly don't do it just to impress some girl that doesn't even like you. Either improve yourself as a person or move on to another girl.

On a side note, if you are able to become friends with a woman, it might be your physical appearance more than anything. Although you did mention the conversation doesn't flow as well, so try practicing that too.

>>34352084
>what are you, a woman?
No, but to get laid you have to know how a woman thinks, and if you deny that preselection is useless for getting better odds, you're wrong.
A woman wants to know you can get other girls. I have had girl friends follow me around a particular place, and there was a woman I had spoken to earlier that night who brushed me off for a date. I go see her after she sees me with these women and we had a long conversation leading to sex in public that same night.
Sure that's a special case, but it's like telling a girl you've got money, high status, etc. you don't like it but it's true. Of course you need the connection and the ability to conversate and not be a sperg. I laid out a decade of experience with women without using preselection not really thinking much of it at the time. we had a great conversation as always when I meet a girl I like.


What I mean too, is I like this asian girl, and I know I can fuck her, but at this point of my life, I'd rather just keep her as a friend. Maybe even get that white girl as a friend and bring them to other venues to impress other girls I'm more attracted to

You know what? Women need to slow down in life. If what you are that is fun and full of life irritates women, keep being that. Women need to slow down.

>>34351886
Doesn't work. Women are always getting love bombed. They'll just ditch you in a heartbeat and it'll be for nothing.

>get recommended a date
>she doesn't fit my tastes
>her personality looks unbearable
>but I could probably further fine-tune my skills on her
Go or no?

>>34352097
It is one thing to friend-zone the Asian girl because you aren't attracted to her but can actually see her as a friend, y'all share similar interests and she is actually cool to hangout with. If you two are genuinely hanging out and happen to walk past the shop that the girl you like works at and she sees you two, that's fine. Caveat is that the Asian girl also has to agree to being friends.

If you're friend-zoning the Asian girl just because you want to have her around and purposely bring her along with you just to show the girl you like that you have "value" and "can get other girls", is just petty and sad. And let's be real, you probably won't just friend-zone the Asian girl, you'll probably string her along.

Chances are the girl you like doesn't even like you since she wasn't even really engaging in conversation with you, or you are just really bad at small talk.

Move on from that girl and tell the Asian girl that you aren't interested. But, by how you are responding, you'll probably just string along the Asian girl anyways and end up fucking her until you get bored.

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Anyone ever had success with hags?

>>34352197
You don't like her, don't waste your and her time

>always dated only white women
>get treated like shit, get shittested constantly, never get calls from them, they are completely uninterested

>try dating black woman
>she is obsessed with me, calls me randomly, never shittests, gets all giddy and awkward in a cute way with me

Wtf. Its like night and day, wtf is this. Im a fit white guy.

>>34352190
I see it work all the time irl though, all the time. I know guys who are able to sweep up women and get them to fall deeply in love in a short time frame like a week.

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>>34352746
Has little to nothing to do with race and more to do with the new woman being a decent person and actually liking you.
Black women like the white women you described dating exist, although I think they are more easier to spot or rather people don't ignore the red flags because blue eyes and blonde hair are legitimate blinders to people.

>>34352746
>>34353148
You're being disingenuous, race is definitely a factor when dating and can affect how certain women perceive you.

Black women understand they're at the bottom of the totem pole racially, so if you're non-black it gives you an advantage when you're dating them.

The caveat is this applies best with a subset of black women. College-educated and middle class or above. You'll still need game, but it will be way easier than going for a white chick of equivalent attractiveness.

>>34353358
No, don't be an idiot. Races does not supersede actually liking and connecting with a person, especially to the point that she's giddy talking to him. You all think about skin color far too much, it's a factor but not a huge one. idk what the OP anon thinks about this new girl, but she's not going to stick around and be happy to interact with him if he's taking all of her affection for granted, or if he tries to play her, or treat her badly because he feels like she should be beholden to him over some imaginary hierarchy. He's lucked out and shouldn't squander this unless he wants to go back into the dating pool and being treated like shit, regardless or despite the skin color of the women he's seeing.

>>34353498
And she definitely still has options, I'm imagining that this woman is of average attraction. The dating market is in favor of women, no matter the race. She can easily find another guy. But it sounds like she really likes OP.

She said yes!

>>34354248
gj

>>34354248
pics or it didn't happen

>>34354457
>>34354428
Were going to the zoo. I'll post pictures on Monday.

>>34354644
Weird place for a first date, but you do you, good luck anon

>>34354644
Tall about the animals breeding and say that you are interested in breeding the girl. That's how you bring this shit up to women.

>>34343009
would it be too shameful to talk to a girl after not talking to her since sunday?
we went on a casual date on saturday night (no sex, only kisses). she obviously liked me except for one detail... apparently I make crazy eyes or something when I'm horny lel.
I tried to keep talking to her on monday and she ignored my message, so I didn't talk to her since.

>>34343022
maybe she just didn't like something about your profile. don't worry about it.

>>34353498
it's an objective fact that whites are more attractive in every way than any other race. The entire world is held together and revolutionized into paradigms by white. they are the most coveted race. Brown/yellow/blacks will always treat white men and women as kings/queens while white men and women are pitted against each other by jews and have such value in themselves that they will always see themselves as superior to their lesser race partners. Every parent wants a white kid. white is right.

Okay women usually tend to value harmony and are trying to navigate their fears in the world they live in. When a woman rejects you she is not doing it because she is mean, she is doing it because she does not want any trouble and am just trying to maintain a private life. I know being quiet fucking sucks, but a relationship a man has with a woman has to be very delegate considering how fragile it is. Rushing and demanding is not healthy.

>>34355672
This is what people like candace owens believe so i am not sympathetic to these views anymore

How about for the guys here who feel insecure about their looks, instead of saying you are either sexy or not. How about say I look good enough to not appear distracting and to be taken seriously. Do that from now on.

>>34355672
What you believe only exists in your head, and in /pol/ threads.

>>34353148
Yeah but. Ive dated like 20 white women.
Ive never, ever had a white woman be this interested and awkward in a cute way with me, maybe one time and she was 36 years old and not conventionally attractive at all.
This girl is 24 and super fit. And again, first time with a black girl and the difference in relation to me is nothing ive ever experienced with white women before.
i thought women like these that acted like this existed only in movies and shows thats how extreme the difference in how im treated is.

>>34355856
Bro, you are with one black woman, ONE. I've dated a few black women, they are all different, plenty of them are as aloof or dismissive or uninterested as the white women you've complained about. Again you are lucky to have landed on a woman that likes you, it has nothing to do with her race. Enjoy and don't take her for granted because chances of the next woman, no matter the race, not being as interested are high.

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Hinge makes me fucking depressed. Not a single like or match in a week since I registered. I'm decently looking (masculine features, I'd say a 7,5 out of 10) but bold (I shave them very short) and an alright physique so I don't show it off (1,80m , not fat but not athletic either, still working on it). Don't have any recent pictures of myself so took a bunch of varied selfies (my face is somewhat funny and expressive despite looking serious and intense at rest). My "hooks" are, a fun fact about cats, being able to do touch-typing on keyboards to write code and the fact I had to take pictures for this app because I don't use social medias. Am I supposed to act like an over-confident egocentric that I'm totally not and stage pictures to get anywhere?

There is this girl, that works in same industrial area as me and I often see her waiting on the same bus for work. I am planning on asking her out. If she says yes, how do I give her my number in a way that doesnt make me look like and autist or a creep. I never cold aproached woman before, so I am a bit lost.

>>34356857
>how do I give her my number
First of all, you ask for her number

>>34356892
>First of all, you ask for her number
Makes total sense, I am a fool. If she gives me her number, should I msg her on a spot to give her mine and make sure she got me in her contacts?

>>34356917
Yes, that would be appropriate.

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When on a first date, what should I say to hint i want a relationship?

> hey I had a fun time with you and would like to see where it goes
????

If I don’t get girls from approaching at work (my only dating pool) I think I’ll just become an online paypig at least to a girl within the same area

>fell for the lovebombing tactic again
>Even had a feeling it was lovebombing
>still got fooled
What the fuck. so im the retard right

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>meet girl at saint paddy's party
>hit it off pretty well, actually have a lot in common
>get her info
>no idea what to do now
This is where I always fumble, I have a million hangout/date ideas but only one real shot. I'm not afraid of going for it I'm more worried about just actually making a lousy shot

How to get a girl? Be attractive and approach her or she will approach you. Have something in common. And then there will be lust or love or both

>>34357567
If you’re too attractive, women don’t approach

>>34356857
Well first of all converse get to know her a little. Don’t just go up and ask her to hang out. Why would she want to hang out with a rando.

>>34356232
> Not a single like or match in a week since I registered
This is intentional to get you to give them money for prioritization.

I added this girl on snap she lives an hour away and we start dirty talking for a month she’s a switch and likes everything I’m into . She never messaged first I stop messaging for a week to see if she messages but instead unadded me. Should I add her from my other account since this feels like she’s still interested but just wants me to initiate convos?

>>34356232
Don't get yourself down about it. Online dating apps are a bubble that are moments away from collapsing entirely. Any woman out there that you actually would want to date is either off the apps or they'll never find you because they're overwhelmed with 1000+ likes from other men. Whenever the app decides to give you a glimmer of hope through a random profile boost you'll find the women who like you first are not women you would ever consider approaching if you saw them IRL.
>Am I supposed to act like an over-confident egocentric that I'm totally not
The game is to grab their attention by any means possible just to increase the chance of getting a match. Being bold and controversial will stand out more than playing it safe with your opening lines.

>>34343009
I've had many, MANY opportunities with women. I'm good looking and tall, a late 30s unc, and I still have women of all ages (even young, maybe too young for me) sit by my side at times. but I'm socially retarded, autistic (I blame this for my last 5 dates being a total mess) and kind of reclusive. right now I'm trying to start solving this shit, but... bad luck hit at the worst fucking time.

the saying goes "preparation meets opportunity". how do I prepare myself to take advantage of opportunities?

I don't really have the same habits or tastes normies have. I dgaf about, say, concerts or similar stuff. I find shit like that NPC-like entertainment (especially considering that, say, most rock stars are old fucks and millionaires, while their songs are all about teen suffering and shit). I guess I could do sports or something like that, but I don't have any habits except for doing some fitness training/exercise a couple of times a week, and I'm kinda old already. so I don't really do much other than things related to my computer (my job) and a lot of random reading.

I also have trouble showing my intentions to people in general, so I must look really fucking boring or uninterested to the average normal woman.

>match with coworker on Hinge over a year ago
>she almost instantly messages me that she's new to the area, looking to make friends, and asks if I'd like to grab a drink with her after work
>say that I don't drink but I'd be down to go anyway and maybe get food instead
>she says sure then adds in that she doesn't date coworkers
>think it is odd she matched on a dating app then
>say okay, that's fine, but i'd still be down to go
>she responds and says that's great but suddenly she now has school to worry about and probably won't be able to do anything til after that's over
>never messages me on Hinge again, still very nice to me at work

fast forward to a few weeks back
>at happy hour with other coworkers
>she shows up
>i feel like we had some good conversation despite being a group setting
>get her number right before we leave
>text her a day or 2 later
>she has long replies, response time is usually within an hour of me texting her back
>text convo goes on pretty much every night
>she mentions that she likes to go skating on the weekends
>i said that's cool and it's something i've been interested in but never tried
>i genuinely mean that
>she responds and says we should go sometime, it would be fun
>respond that would be cool
>suddenly she tells me that the place she skates at is like 2 hours away but we could probably find some closer places
>this kind feels familiar to the Hinge thing
>okay i'll find one
>i find one, text her asking if she'd like to go next week
>doesn't respond for hours
>finally does right before midnight
>suddenly is busy that day, wouldn't be able to go

what the fuck dude
why does she ask me to do things if she is just going to be non-committal
obviously if she was interested in me she'd find the time, so i'm under no delusion that she likes me, but i still don't really understand why she would ever ask me to do this stuff if she backs out as soon as i reciprocate interest
why even ask in the first place??

>>34352561
In what way? They fuck. If you're young enough they won't put their hopes into you, if their smart at least. They want to go out and experience life, then come home and bang. They're pretty simple.

>>34357659
Women like having plans just incase other plans don't work out. Considering she dropped your plans for other plans, there are simply other people she values spending time with more than you. At least she told you in advance.

She mentioned she wanted to skate. You found a closer location. She took hours to respond. Finally responded and she is busy. Her "busy" could be anything but the main culprit is that she didn't try to reschedule. Most women that were interested in me would offer another day. However, there are some women who want you to do all the work and for you to offer another day. Which is annoying because you don't know each other's schedule.

Also, it's best take whatever they say via text as a grain of salt. Until you meet in person (desu until you fuck), assume everything she says is bullshit until proven otherwise. For example.

You two plan a 1st date.
She shows up.

You two plan a 2nd date.
She shows up.

You two plan a 3rd date.
She shows up.

She has proven she isn't just talking out of her ass.

>>34357937
The plans she had for not showing up was that she's visiting family
I can kinda buy it because I do know she genuinely does visit family every so often
Well aware of the no reschedule thing probably indicates a lack of interest
Again, under no delusion she has romantic feelings for me, but I just genuinely do not understand why she would offer to do things with me then not commit
I'm definitely not gonna offer another day, if there is a next time. Not gonna chase, im not a clown. Ball in her court if she was serious

>>34357595
nah, shes playing with you as a cat with mouse.

As a man you are responsible for what kind of dynamic you allow women to entertain with you.
If you keep feeding attention and starting every convo you convey worthlessness.

Just because a girl is fucking you, messaging with you, etc, doesnt mean the dynamic is ideal. YOu have to really know what is ideal dynamic with woman, define it in your mind.

How do you wanna feel in relationship with women? If a woman doesnt feed into it, let her go.

It might take a lot of attempts but for every dynamic under Sun there is a partner out there. So guys fail because they do not uphold ideals but get sex blinded.

You currently feel good when you are sexual with a woman who uses your sexuality to weaken you. YOu think "sexual = winning" but SOME women will use sexuality and attention like carrot stick to lead u into self betreyal and sadness.

One day you may grow to feel powerful when you own your sexuality and it doesnt own you. Then you will see it was never about women, but your lack of self control.
Learn to feel amazing holding your balls in your hand and swatting every hand that tries to do the same (metaphorically).

Then you will be close to a true playa.

Right now you are a kid with dick in his hands wandering aimlessly thought life.

>>34358659

1. controling your sexuality and emotionality is controlling ALL the power you think women have over you
2. you are the most important person in your life, no women can change that or replace it
3. write an essay describing your ideal relationship or dynamic with women and go into the world only accepting women who follow that script (dont share it with them that would be stupid, its just for your calibration)
4. ignore any advice anyoen says people are stupid as fuck.
5. learn to lead and reject women who give you stress when you are leading, they come from broken homes, had to become leaders themselves and lack ability to "let go and trust" which also means they lack ability to occupy their feminine nature which is inherently dependent on the outside world more than any other form of life.
6. do not confuse women's attractivness with her ability to play a feminine role in your life. Many women these days max their "makes you hard" appeal but lack nurturing essence.
7. No greater love than love of God and self. Anyone else comes after.
8. If a woman is setting up the dynamic so that you feel forced to pick between her and your happiness, pick your happiness.
That is true basically for anything from friends, jobs, parents, siblings, women. Never sacrifice your joy for relationships, they will end unless they support your happiness.Best relationships are mutual happiness supporting = as basis.
9. Orgasm is nice but you can get that with many people of opposite sex. Kindredship of Souls is more valubale. If you your dynamics with women are based on what you perceive is your performance (skill tree, money, etc) then there is always someone "Better" out there.
To win forever is to play the game of being YOU, nobody is YOU, therefore nobody can beat you in being you. Connect with women as unique expression of Life, as YOURself.

>>34357158
No hints necessary, just ask her out again

>>34357559
Just ask her out for a coffee/drinks, that's it. First date should always be casual

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How do you get from first date to sex?

Bros I'm a total autist and I've decided to take the bus (new city moved to Rome by train for work no vehicle yet) to a lively areas full of bars and pubs tonight by myself. Uuuuuuh what do I do once I'm there?

>>34358841
I wanted to suggest just going for like a photo walk because we already did the drinks part

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>>34343009
Never dated. Installed "Coffee Meets Bagel" yesterday and "Hinge" today. Have two fat girls that liked me on CMB. Have one attractive girl that has responded to one of my profile's prompts about myself with a question on Hinge. I assume this is the same as her liking my profile.

Way more women on Hinge, but they seem like much more of the "I want a man to fly me across the world", international influencer types.

I think the type of woman I'd like is more likely to be on CMB, but Hinge has such high volume, they'll probably win on sheer numbers.

I'm going to ignore the fat girls on CMB and respond to the girl on Hinge. Holy shit. I've never done anything like this. Almost hope she doesn't even respond. I feel like such a little punk bitch. lol.

>>34359371
Don't let the new user boost fool you. Yes there are higher numbers on hinge but that means higher numbers of other men you're competing with.
>Almost hope she doesn't even respond.
Good chance that she won't, or at least after a couple of messages.

>>34359371
FUCK! She has children. I thought that was supposed to get filtered out, but I guess that doesn't stop them from liking me. It's too late now. I already responded. Not sure if responding to likes is good for my profile's metrics or something.

So far, I've only attracted fat chicks and a single mother.

>>34359448
I'm realizing CMB's search is just shitty. When I don't filter out anything in the search, I see plenty of women that meet my criteria. If I filter out one thing, even though I am literally looking at women that meet it, I get zero to one result. I think scrolling forever on "Discover" might be the best bet.

>Good chance that she won't, or at least after a couple of messages.

Hope not. I fucked up. She seems nice, but I don't want to have to say, "Sorry. I'm a retard and I didn't notice you had kids.".

Women really do like the travel. These profiles have pics from all over the world, even if their job is "Retail".

>>34343009
Anyone done the Approach Anxiety program from KYIL?

Also, does approaching/conversation ever get more enjoyable for those that currently see it as a chore and try to keep conversations as efficient and short as possible?

>>34357589
>>34357609
>all these anons blaming the apps instead of you
You faggots are no better than the foids.
>>34356232
Your profile sucks. Work on it. Get some good photos showing off your life and personality. If you have no life or personality to show off, work on that too. Meanwhile, come up with some better prompts that display that life or personality.

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>>34359478
Welp. She responded. She's super-friendly and trying to keep the conversation going.

I'm cooked.

>>34358970
Go on a second date, ask her over to your places. If she refuses, go on a third date and ask her over to your place. If she refuses, well, it's not looking good. If she accepts, do this >>34350781

>>34359324
Turns out Rome on a Saturday night is super crowded and there aren't any pubs or bars like in the movies where you can idle for a while and chat with people. Cool place though, nice stroll.

>>34359513
I don't know what that program is but I'll give you my experience.

Back when I lived literally a block away from a University, it was very easy to approach people. It really is just a HUGE mental hurdle you need to get overcome. I do photography and I have literally walked up to very attractive women that were my type and asked them if I could take some photos of them. Almost all of them said yes. Why? Because I approached them in a non-threatening and confident way.

However, despite still being presentable and confident, when I wanted to approach a woman I thought was attractive and wanted to get to know her romantically, I would second guess and ultimately come up with an excuse. However, once you approach ONE, just ONE woman, doesn't matter if it went good or bad, you get an insane boost of confidence. Instead of thinking, "Damn, I should have talked to that girl, now I'll never know..." Assuming it went well, you are thinking, "Yes! I fucking did it, I approached her and I got her number." or if I didn't, "At least I approached her and shot my shot. No regrets."

I've realistically only approached maybe 30 women. More than half gave me their number, 10 replied and about 8 turned into a FWB situation, 1 of them becoming and still is a very important person in my life.

Despite me still have my own issues with approaching, it is actually so simple. See a woman you think is attractive? Walk up to her and literally just say this, "Hey excuse me. I saw you over (here, there) and thought you looked cute, what's your name?" That is it. If she finds you attractive, she will entertain you. If not, she'll politely excuse herself. Positive? Ask about her day and what she is currently doing. The conversation needs to be at least a minute. Finish off with, "Well hey, let me grab your number and we can figure out a time to hangout together." She gives you her number and you text her later that day.

>>34359478
>I thought that was supposed to get filtered out
It does if you pay for the app. Otherwise the only filters you get are age and location
>>34359573
>Welp. She responded. She's super-friendly and trying to keep the conversation going.
You can just stop responding or just unmatch her now. If you're going to be on these apps you really can't give too much thought about what other people think of you.

There's a customer who came to my store twice because her order was done incorrectly(the production center fucked up, so my colleagues and I aren't the incompetent ones here).
We discussed her order over the phone three times already, and she asked me for my schedule because she wants to check her order with me, so I think she trusts me on some level as a worker.
It's unprofessional to flirt with clients, but I'm wondering if I should just go for it and see what happens.

Be a woman's friend not try to force her to be happy.

>>34360716
>schizophrenic telling you to befriend women
Ok, but there has to be an escalation from that at some point

To the autistic person here, what makes women love you is that you are the most human one in the room.

>>34343009
Why the Fuck you have to use AI generated image !

Are You retarded?

>>34357628
>>34357628
anyone? please...

>install bumble a week and a half ago
>get +100 likes in the first 24 hrs
>went on 3 dates
>nothing came out of them, not even a kiss
What am I doing wrong? Am I too neurotic?

>>34361668
maybe try displaying more interest and being more affective/sexual/touchy/...
kinda the same shit has happened to me in my last dates. in my case, I think the problem is my low self-esteem, which makes me try hard and feel anxious and nervous with women I like but, ironically, very relaxed and friendly with women who are not really my type.

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I wonder if there's a way to condition a girl to crave your attention specifically similar to how they use dating apps/insta likes purely for the validation.

for example if you were to send a message or some sort of stimuli every day for a certain period of time. even if she doesn't respond to it eventually she'd be conditioned to expect it.

So if you removed that what would happen? Could you artificially flip the power dynamic that way?

>>34361994
Why don't you condition yourself to touch grass?

I feel like I've only gotten my footing with women in the past year, but I just turned 30. I've had four different women in the past two months which is a lot for me. I've also been dating a really cute girl my age who wants to stay exclusive. I'm not sure if I should keep hoeing around or start settling down. Any older anons able to give advice to a guy at a crossroads?

Women always say I'm cute and puppy like. How do I stop coming across that way? I know it's not sexually attractive to anyone except biological males.

>>34362142
I'd avoid going exclusive for now. You need to get it out of your system first

>>34362142
How did you meet them

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>>34357589
Yeah. I've never used dating apps and the dark patterns used in those are absolutely disgusting.
>>34357609
>The game is to grab their attention by any means possible just to increase the chance of getting a match. Being bold and controversial will stand out more than playing it safe with your opening lines.
I try to be funny and friendly. Maybe this just ain't a game I'm meant to play. I've never felt the need to stand out in real life. Starting to think cold approaching might be the thing for me. I can't count how many times some girls clearly wanted me to approach them and I was too shy. If I'm in a good mood I can make people feel at ease quite easily in a social scenario however. I've been told by multiple times "we just met and it feels like we've been friends for a long time" but in this case it's far more stressful.
>>34359535
The only highlight I got going for me is my job. I love it and am pretty good at it. My personality is funny, light hearted and easy-going but it's hard to paint those, I can only really find jokes in a context or moment.
Should probably work on my social life indeed somehow to show it off but I'm not sure where to start, maybe a sport club or something aside the gym but I tend to be hard focused when I train. I've been moving a lot recently and don't really have friends right now.

>>34362267
In the past year? Mostly online. A couple I met at a bar.

>>34362364
Dating apps?

>>34362101
why is 4chan so full of gay moralfags now?

>>34362375
Dude thinks he can condition a woman like a dog lmao

ive been all over the world, lived in exotic places, done some really cool shit, but I never took selfies or had someone take a picture of me while I was doing them. How can I make this work for a dating app?

I did some posing in the gym and thought i looked like a muscular/toned chad and thought maybe I could try that angle.

>>34362374
Yeah, all Hinge. The others just don't work for me.

>>34362455
Just throw up pictures of landmarks or nice pics in general from those places, one or two MAX

>take the bus to immigrant suburb part of town
>walking down this street minding my business
>teenage looking girl crossed the street, walks right in front of me and goes over by a fence
>makes eye contact with me aggressively
Has anybody else ever experienced this? Seems like something a teenage girl would do for shits and giggles.

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>>34353358
There's only 2 type of women:

A) Virgin women:
For serious relationships for marriage and start a family. These kind of women worth gold.

B) No virgin women:
Prostitutes, hookers, strippers, only fans and any unmarried women with a body count bigger than zero. These females are just for pump and dump only. You can't even give the tittle of gf to these kind of females because that will be disrespectfully for you persona. You can't even be friends with such kind of females due their emotional damage they end up being insufferable.

Remember men only want 3 things from his gf/wife

1. Respect
2. Loyalty
3. Peace

A no virgin woman can't give you any of theoe 3 things. Respect: just knowing that she gave her virginity to other man for literally nothing makes you look like a fool that end up with the leftovers. Loyalty: bigger her body count lower her ability to pair bonding. Peace: there's no way you can know her real body, so that will never give you peace because when you meet her she will her body count is 3 but years later when she feel you 'secure in her palm' she will start to tell you more partners. Without mention she will never stop to compare(in a negative way of course) you with all these men that fucked her before you so that will be other way to not give you peace.

Would you choose, buy and consume a pill bottle with their inner foil safety seal broken from a shelf full of intact pill bottles? No? If so why wouldn't you apply this same logic with a woman that could be the mother of your children?

So just like happens with the inner foilsafety seal in the analogy of the pill bottle the hymen in women has a reason to exist too:
It’s sealed for your protection.

https://files.catbox.moe/8r4fcu.pdf

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>>34345507
Hint:
A lot of these 'Christian' women +30 years old are actually roasties that are in the church just to find her beta nice guy to settle down with after she rode the Cock-carousel in her 20's. If she is not a virgin she is just larping as a Christian woman and when i say a virgin i mean her hymen still intact inside her vagina, so don't believe any story she tell you like 'i broke my hymen riding bike hehe', please don't be a sucker.

I don't get it. what gets a woman horny? how do you even notice that a woman is horny for you? it's easy for men, even obvious (dick gets hard, becomes retarded), but I don't know how to "detect" it on women...
like, you just have to shoot your shot and see if she reacts positively?

I'm a tall guy. I've had women give me weird hugs after dating, when I thought they didn't like me. I had the same happen after walking with a girl I talked to in some random place when I was traveling. she drove me to my place before leaving, and gave me a hug while in the car... and I'm still wondering wtf was that. she dressed kinda slutty, yet she had told me she "wasn't easy", and when I tried hugging her during the walk (I was kinda horny, probably noticeably...), she kinda avoided me, but she still walked with me all the time during the trip.

again, I don't get women. maybe I'm too much of a coward to understand them.

>>34360638
Could I get a second opinion?

Second date ideas?

>>34363406
>I don't get it. what gets a woman horny
Complimenting them/telling them they look pretty.
>>34363368
>how do you even notice that a woman is horny for you
She just looks at you a certain way…
I guess you have to be special like me to notice

>>34363449
Your idea.

>>34362374
The one you like.

>>34362375
I'm trying to be happy and positively get through life. I have never seen that be a sign of homosexuality.

>>34363463
>She just looks at you a certain way…
idk man, lots of women give me some look when they meet me, as if they felt vulnerable and scared, almost as if I was their stalker or whatever. I always thought it was their paranoia, and therefore I always kinda tried to avoid getting too close to them, but now I'm thinking that it might be something else... if that's really it, then I've been fucking retarded for a long time.

been down bad
met 20 or so girls so far from dating apps this year
most were in the 5-6 range of looks
yesterday I got laid for the first time this year
she was a shorty (147 cm) with massive boobs like I cup
but her face was like a 4

she kinda was crying because she knew it wasn't going to turn into a relationship i was just down bad and came in 5 minutes
so as to not give her any false hopes

>>34363449
For a first date I almost never do dinners for obvious reasons and I think it's a good idea for a second date once you know the girl is at least somewhat interested. There's also a bowling alley right next to me, but I always ask girl first if she's into bowling before we go there. Live music's also a good idea

I haven’t yet been in a situation where other guys come up and try to act smart to my face to help “detract” me from a girl that I am getting to know better, or try to arbitrarily gossip behind my back to them. I do know that I’ve made a guy walk away when I was engaging with another girl, asking about how she’s doing etc., but I only saw her as a friend, and he was sort of spineless, so there was little pressure.

What would you do in those situations to keep them away/let her know that he’s not worth the time to listen to?

I can ignore them, but I wonder what kind of garbage they’ll make up to them to put me off.

I can't even begin to relay what my relationship with this woman is, but after a few years, I guess we're fwb, assuming neither of us is dating? I'm 28, she's 26.

Randomly texted her the other day, and she had just been ghosted, so she was on a "solodate" whatever that is.

So I said I'd take her on a date next time I'm in town. She didn't seem too thrilled. She did seem happy that I would be in town next time, so that's a plus.

I want to go over the top, take her dress shopping, and get dressed up and then go on a really fancy dinner date or something.

Then sex in a hotel room, but with things I'd only recently thought of that I know she'd like.

I opened Facebook for the first time in awhile today. She was in my reccomended messenger people, saying she was active today.

She doesn't use Facebook for anything but the dating app. Damn.

We aren't like, dating, but it still doesn't feel great. I love her very much. I know in my mind that we can't be together. We tried and failed and it just doesn't work.

What's the play here? Do I move on? If so, how? And how do I meet new people? Dating apps are kinda shitty. I'm not much for bars, and churches aren't much better. Most of my hobbies are pretty male dominated, so it's like... what else is there? East Idaho for reference.

Once I get my degree, I want to move, ideally still within the states. Not sure where though.

>>34364090
Fuck
What are some good first date ideas then

>>34364217
Something casual, like coffee/drinks. After that, you can go for a walk and/or hit another venue, unless you already know it's not working. I wouldn't go just for a walk, you want to take a good look at the other person and let the other person take a good look at you

>>34364329
You{}

Should I even try with women if I'm 5'4"?
Needless to say I never had a date.

>>34365023
You'll find the right one some day.

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>>34354428
>>34354457
>>34354686
>>34354698
hey bros
Took her to the aquarium instead since it was windy and super cold.

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Our date went well! She said she had a great time and enjoyed it. Im thinking well have a relationship

>>34365072
haha yeah...

>>34350386
Well, we didn't sex but she did kiss me a bunch.
Today she asked me to do the BDSM test so I don't think I'll have to wait much longer...

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>>34359573
Thought CMB was better for quality, but it's only more fat chicks liking me so far. Couple of quality matches on Hinge though, excluding the single mother.

Hinge is such a cash grab. There are a bunch of women that I can't even like. It says I have to send them a "rose"; which costs money. It also says I can "boost" my profile, but it's $30 for only a day. If I were to get the subscription, it still wouldn't include either of these features.

>>34360612
Yeah. I didn't respond anymore after she responded to me. I don't mind when people I like or message don't respond, but ignoring her after I responded to her feels weird and dirty, desu.

I keep checking her profile to make sure the "Have children" part isn't a mistake.

>>34343009
How do you conclude conversations with women?

>>34365259
You will. Keep at it. Every-time you think you waste time anon.

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>gym slut
>10/10 ass
>first time I see her on the stair machine caught staring
>she signals she wants me
>stares at me as I’m walking up the stairs into the gym
>turns around to get her stuff together from the locker
>can see her panties riding up the back
>don’t say anything bc I’m not in a good mood at the time
>next day I am on the treadmill walking
>she comes up to the treadmill besides me
>I ask her how are you as she starts it up
>she says good and smiles and asks how I am
>im still super nervous so i say good and look away immediately
>she gets off the treadmill as quickly as she got on it
>next time I see her and try to talk she says she’s not interested
>damn I fucked up
>a few weeks go by
>haven’t talked to her still but I can tell she is still interested
>our minds work the same way so she can tell I can tell
>just not making it easy for me
>as in I have to try and talk to her
>just was stretching, she came over to the stretch area too after her workout
>shit fuck what do I even say
>already tried “how are you?”
>mind blank
>go fill up water bottle
>she leaves before I can come back
Should I just go for a “how are you” again next time I see her? I already tried it. literally just trying to drain my balls in her stupid cunt which I know she’d let me do.

>>34366459
nono you are doing it wrong just next time ask her >hello mylady i would like to fuck you right in the ass. what do you think ?

>>34366472
Sounds like it might work.

>>34366459
She’s a thirst trap and she knows it. Don’t play her games.

>>34366517
you’re saying she won’t let me hit?

Fr guys her ass is unbelievable

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One of the things you have to recognize about this girl you love, is that at some point you are going to hit the height of the conflict with her and she has to decide if she sees you as a monster or a human being. If she sees you as a human being like everyone else everything continues and is happily ever after. A monster, relationship ends you get blocked she packs her things takes your kid drives off never seen again. And that is just damn life.

>>34366524
You'll only know if you ask her out.

>>34366893
I feel like she’ll get turned off if I ask her to get coffee or something

If time can't heal it, it ain't worth it.

pls explain:
>meet girl multiple times, spend a lot of time together, get very intimate and almost couple like when together
>spending multiple days in a row together
>Both open up a little bit
>She backs off a bit but still reaches out to me to meet up but sometimes flakes a little bit when I say yes
>Meet up finally, this time she sits away from me and doesnt get close, even seems conversationally closed off at points
>She drank and after got super close and showed affection, was quite attentive and caring again

I dont know where I stand with this gril at all, my take away was lack of interest, although im not sure why she would want to meet up and why she would show me affection (Once she drank) if that was the case?

The thing that has me the most fucked up is as follows
you are always told
>go for the personality
>choose the girl who loves you for you
>dont just date the prettiest girl
as if there is actually a choice
like as if we can choose who we date

I go on many dates, and at the end of the day
it is the girl who chooses me
I don't really have much choice, if she wants to have a relationship or not I barely have a choice

It's fucked up reality is more like
>go on hundreds of dates
>hope a non-mentally fucked decent looking girl chooses you

At least that's been my reality.
No relationship came from me having like oh I have three girls one pretty, one ugly but with good personality and one decent
ill choose the decent one this time
They all came from me going on dates and her deciding to say yes to me inviting her out over long periods of time
And her being the only one that said yes to me doing so out of 4 or 5 girls who could have been equally nice or better to go out with

>Match with girl
>she enthusiastically texts me
>Ask her on date

either she
>Ghosts/makes excuses
or
>Goes on one date then ghosts

Why is that?

>>34368641
Consult john lennon on the woman question. Woman is the ... of man.

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>excited the moment we meet
>the interest flatlines the day after

Shit is the worst

>>34368942
that's me these days

>meet a girl through friends
>she cooks, cleans for me, also has money
>pretty cute face and petite body.
>she's inexperienced, i'm her first
>i'm comfortable with my lifestyle with her
>she doesn't drag me to do things, if i say no its a no, no nagging
>i cant stop thinking about fucking other girls
>feel guilty

what do anons?

>>34368641
>ask her on a date

you probably came off as wanting to go out with her too much. That gives them the ick. Always ask them out in a spur of the moment kind of thing where it seems like you did no planning and don't care if she comes out or not.

I found this out when I got stood up several times when making plans for a week out. The shorter the date is in the future the greater the likelihood they show up for it. So the logical conclusion to that is to just make dates be RIGHT NOW.

>>34368641
>>Goes on one date then ghosts
this means she is just not that into you. If you misrepresented your looks on a dating app or lied about your height thats the obvious problem. Otherwise your game and vibes on the date are lacking. Pro tip its almost impossible to have a good date without drinking. Put some alcohol into the bitch if you want her to have fun. Its also the only way to make a womans mask slip and for you to get a glimpse of who she really is.

>>34366459
falling for gym sluts is the IRL version of being a retard who messages instagram models or something.

I mean I am not gonna lie, I have hit on gym girls too. Its really fucking hard not to when they wear nothing and your testosterone is at its highest level and they are just right there being hot.

But yeah I would not expect much. The "spotlight effect" is so strong at the gym. Vast majority of girls are going to be so self conscious if you try hitting on them. Its just unlikely to work but ofc you can always find that one ovulating whore who is ready to fuck.

>>34368996
i tried asking her out for asap and she disappear
>>34369014
IDK i feel like she was just a flake anyway. before me met she was texting me a shitload, to the point i was suspicious she was lovebombing me. i met her in person and she was 15 pounds heavier than her photos but honestly she was still cute. she said a lot of things like she liked bad guys and was only in situationships. we were drinking a lot at bars and she brought me to her bed. she wouldn't let me fuck her but wanted me to sleep in bed so i did. i asked if she wanted to hang again she said yes but i guess was just agreeing in the moment. then she barely responded and said "idk if i can hang saturday" so i stopped responding.

I mean it was for the best since she seemed hoeish or just not serious but IM in a rut right now

>>34369148
I have heard of women losing respect if you get them into bed and don't fuck them. Never happened to me and I kind of don't know if I believe this is a normal thing to happen. But it kind of sounds like its what happened with you.

My closing move is always to just start jacking off. Sounds really cringe but yeah. I have had women say they aren't gonna put out but when they see you just pull your hard dick out and start stroking it they usually want to help. I guess nowadyas there are some percentage of retarded bitches who would call that rape but I always use an alias if its a 1 night stand situation anyway.

>>34369163
>I have heard of women losing respect if you get them into bed and don't fuck them
i started grabbing her pussy and made her grab my dick but she said no, so i just didn't do it

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>>34366043
Holy shit. I made some minor tweaks to my profile yesterday and got liked by 4 attractive women on Hinge today.

>not fat
>not single mothers

3 of them sent comments with their likes, one girl is kind of meh still, so I'll ignore her. But of course the hottest one just sent an empty like. I was planning to like her yesterday, but her profile didn't have any interesting prompts or captions to start conversation off of. I'll respond to 2 of the ones with comments and the one without the comment to see how this goes.

Have absolutely no idea what I'm doing. I have always talked to women the same way I talk to anyone else. Time to see if this works for dating too.

>>34369274
>I made some minor tweaks to my profile
what did you do

>>34369274
Can you brush in the grand lines how your profile is like? Kind of photos, prompts.

>>34343009
>https://www.fantasticanachronism.com/p/how-to-be-good-at-dating
shit this is good, just conveyed a concept to me that might have changed my life:
>Sex isn't something you "get" from women—it's something you create together. The goal isn't conquest but mutual pleasure. This mindset alone puts you ahead of 90% of men who are focused only on their own gratification or ego.
sex is something you build. like i never understood flirting but i kinda get it, you gotta get her turned on, build the desire. sex isn't a door or a light switch, it is built between two people.

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>>34369402
I don't take pics of myself or selfies, so my main pic was previously a shitty cropped photo of me that my mom took at a family event. I switched it to a candid photo my sister took of me at a restaurant. I have never had friends or dating experience, but I think it makes it look like I am social. I also added prompts to all of my photos and captions. Then I added a "two truths and a lie" poll, but no one has actually responded to that.

I basically went from a pic similar to the one on the left to a pic similar to the one on the right.

>>34369409
[Restaurant pic with "mom's fridge" prompt]
[Two truths and a lie]
[Voice Prompt - How I unwind]
[Prompt - Special talent]
[Specs]
[Pic with "unusual skills" prompt]
[Pic with "behind the scenes" prompt]
[Prompt - Typical Sunday]
[Pic with "guess where" prompt]
[Prompt - life goal]
[Pic with "favorite memory" prompt]
[Pic with "selfie #503 prompt] Shitty cropped image I mentioned above.

It shows off my love for cooking and working out, references my career, contains my dry humor, and suggests that I am well-off.

>>34363897
.... you made a girl cry during?

>>34369555
not him but it happens. I had it even worse cause the bitch I fucked wanted to cry and talk about her ex after we had sex lmao I got the fuck out of her apartment so fast.

I feel like I only hear about Hinge these days. Do normalfags use Tinder or Hinge anymore?

>>34369762
Yeah, but who cares?

>>34343916
half of this is how people find girlfriends in college, not after. Try these things after college and you will be hanging out with 50 year olds.

have you ever actually been in a writing club after college? a film club? a book club?

the sports angle might work though, but for 90% of these it sounds like youre just copy + paste things you read on the internet.

>shooting
bro are you serious. i have never ONCE seen a woman there by herself without her boyfriend. Im so sick of the bad fucking advice
>jewelry making
>wine tasting
>CAR MEETUPS
fuck off.

>>34343916
You're going about all of this wrong. No woman wants to date a man that is like a mormon door to door salesman in how he approaches dating.

You need to build friendships with women and hopefully from one friendship one of them likes you and wants to date you.

Women who chase status and money have issues, but women who are humble and down-to-earth don't.

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Does putting "looking for larger women" or any similar phrase that conveys my preference in larger women in my Tinder bio work? I am genuinely attracted to larger women and I have been told I am not bad looking at all. Will this help me find someone or will this work against me? I am largely ignorant of the dating world

>>34369941
You'll find her.

>>34369941
I have not tested this but I suspect it doesnt work very well or is a net neutral. Basically the number of foids who will think "so he has a fat fetish, I dont want to be fetishized" will cancel out the ones who think "since he is stating this publicly I know I am actually his type and hes not just settling for my fat ass".

probably worth a try though

anyone ever fix wizard status? how?

>>34370056
get a fat "practice girl" be cringe and weird with her. Lose your virginity. Its really not that hard most 30 year old virgins just have unrealistic standards.

Pro tip also, when you have a woman bent over into doggie style and you are fucking her they are almost all hot from that vantage point. The bitch has to be really fucking nasty or 300 pounds to not be hot, truly.

If you are forced to say she is right all the time and she is vindictive like keeping tallies, you're in a god awful relationship. Get a bad bitch who loves the real you and sees the human in you even and don't let her being annoying and overly dramatic and even BPD get to you, because her BPD is a sign of her humanity.

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>>34369274
I've been talking to one of these women for 5 hours straight; going good. Another one just started chatting as well. Haven't heard from the third one yet. Maybe my response to her like didn't land.

Solid stats though. Received 4 likes, decided to match with 3, converted 2 into conversation so far.

CMB still seems like a bust. I haven't liked anyone on there yet, and the ones from there that liked me were all fat women. I'll use it a bit longer for now, but I think Hinge is good enough on its own.

>>34370139
I recommend the complete opposite. You make her admit that you are right if any disagreement arises. Even if you are wrong.

Not because you need to be an obnoxious asshole or whatever but women brain does not give a fuck about facts or reality. Every disagreement with them is almost exclusively about who has the power in the relationship rather than who is actually right or wrong.

I advocate being the exact opposite with male friends. Always let them be right unless their opinion is truly both retarded and consequential.

>>34370098
yea i have to lower my standards.
im not fucking some nasty fat bitch though, unreasonable to ask me to do that.

>>34368994
All orgasms are the same. If you already have experience, fucking one hot chick is not that different from fucking another. It's just ego trip for your brain. But if you don't have enough experiences then you may want to go get them before settling down.

>>34367754
This is how I feel when I go see my barber. Sounds like she's an anxious person, but it sounds like she wants to be with just keep texting and dating til she gets comfortable with you.

>>34361994
Not unless you're already fucking her. Then you can condition her hair with your dick.

>>34343523
generally it boils down to
>ignore the reality of modern women and the societal circumstances surrounding them. except for anything that will facilitate you buying more poon lotto tickets
i mean that advice isn't always wrong but it is definitely
>want to win the lotto you need to buy a ticket
>want to increase you odds? you need to buy more tickets.

You got to focus on the decency of being human in everything you do and if she can't accept that she ain't the right one.

>>34369941
Don’t, just swipe, let them come to you

What does it mean when a girl somewhat playfully complains that you don't talk enough?

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My gf has invited herself over again to eat ice cream after I give a very important presentation that she's attending as a guest.
We haven't had sex yet, just a lot of kissing. Will we actually have sex this time assuming I don't fuck it up? Do nerdy Asian girls reward stuff like that?

>messaging girl on hinge
>ask to go out
>she gives dates
>picked thursday (tomorrow)
>tell her great, give her my number
>she doesn't respond
It's not Wednesday, I gave her my number on Monday. Haven't picked a place yet for drinks but desu I'm kinda over this behavior.

I feel like wearing a chastity cage and playing videogames because i get no attention and think it would a decent way to pass the time while I wait

>>34370098
>get a fat "practice girl" be cringe and weird with her. Lose your virginity. Its really not that hard most 30 year old virgins just have unrealistic standards.
Do not fucking do this. You'll actually catch the feels for her and be torn daily by genuine affection appreciation for her and the nagging feeling that you just can't date a fat girl long term. The perceived judgment from others will eventually make you forget that you've grown dependent on her ample titties and the sensations of cuddling with her. Realizing you will never be serious, she will move on and marry someone without such reservations. Meanwhile, you will use her as the measuring stick for all future dating prospects, yet none will ever measure up, and you'll be back alone in your room as you were in the beginning, just heartbroken.

>>34370778
do not talk more, there's your way to keep her around: she wants you to talk to her, she wants attention, give her a little, but not as much as she wants. she will marry you if you keep her wanting more forever.

>>34369163
>I have heard of women losing respect if you get them into bed and don't fuck them.
i had a crazy annoying thing happen.
i was fucking this one girl years ago, kinda stupid, but one day i thought
>you know what? lets just have a nice romantic time together, if she doesn't want to fuck, i won't push it, we'll just cuddle and watch anime or whatever
and so we did, and next thing she is complaining that
>"anon you only ever want to fuck! you just want me for sex!!!"
so she felt that way, but if i fucked her, she loved it, got satisfied emotionally/physically/whatever so she overlooked it, when i stopped fucking her, no satisfaction so she got sad about her worry that i only wanted her for sex ...... that is all i can assume happened in her fucked up head.
i actually miss her though.

>>34370056
find a trad wife and get married the old fashioned way.
>>34369941
use a more flattering phrase like "plus size" or "big beautiful women"

>>34368994
kill yourself, you have it made. you want to destroy the perfect relationship.

>>34349856
>Is it just me or do women ghost a lot more now?
yes. they do not give a fuck unless you manipulate them somehow.
which brings me to something i want to say
>>34343009
i read more of this guy https://www.fantasticanachronism.com/p/how-to-be-good-at-dating
and to me it seems like he is not giving the whole picture, and not on purpose, he is an autist, there is something he does, some pattern or methodology he is doing which he takes for granted but it is a subtle and important difference. he gives very good advice, you should take it, but you should also realise there is something more required which he is not telling you, and which he is probably not even aware that he is doing.

>>34372071
lol I mean honestly going out with a fat ass girl is an incredible "social freedom exercise". If you can just go out with a fat girl and keep your confidence and still feel cool then you are truly free and having this level of not giving a fuck will unlock untold more pussy for you.

But yeah that first love bro, there is nothing quite like it. You will never get it back but the pain will fade until you wake up one day and realize you havent thought about the bitch in weeks.

Look, if you stick to just being a laid back and decent guy, you'll be ahead of a lot of guys and especially the ones that try too hard.

I miss her, and am seriously considering messaging her despite me breaking up with her 8 times. This last time stuck, it's been 6 months. She's a good girl, just thought she was always too simple for me and it made me feel alone despite being together.

I've met no one even close to how great she is. They're all stupid as fuck, or ignore me.

I am breaking down from loneliness. My retardation at work is also being found out. My mom is aging and lives in a far away city.

It feels like time needs to stop because I have no clue what I want.

It's wrong to be with a girl just cus I'm lonely as fuck and under pressure. I don't want to be alone though.

Fucking hell I need sleep.

>>34372461
>I miss her, and am seriously considering messaging her despite me breaking up with her 8 times
that's really fujking stupid, 8 times? fucking hell anon, what do you think will happen the 9th? get some sleep and then make decisions with a clear head.

I'm 35 and only dated twice before. Both on 4chan. I'm getting desperate so I'm using dating apps for the first time (yes I know this may sound pretty ironic, but I am too weird for normal people hence the inverted priority order).
I am also in a country where I am not very good at the local language. I have done my research to find out which apps are worth using or not locally, and it seems only tinder is worth anything (there is also a local app I'm on but so far the crowd has been a bit more interesting than I've bargained for).
First impression with tinder:
>99% of women are identical clones
>virtually 0 have any profile
>other women my age range (28-38) are all "looking for short term", "still figuring it out" or "long term open to short" so not viable
And I am forced (due to my peculiarity) to pass on women who list being very social as an important part of their lives, which is basically 70% of those who don't get culled from the above limitations.
Best I can do since nobody has a bio is to match based purely on listed interests, but obviously that's very limited.
What am I doing wrong anyway? Or is that the actual state of these dating apps?

>>34369941
Maybe put an emphasis using adjectives like saying you're into "thick", "soft" or "cozy" girls? It really depends on your strike range for sizing. Saying you like bbws often comes with a fetish connotation and can refer to super fat women as opposed to just chubby or the casually sedentary overweight ones.