>>34364518
There's nothing you can do. Either hop on them pills or accept your faith. When you get older (30+) it's gonna get worse, because your cognitive abilitites will decline faster due to depression. Whatever you do, I think you should ask for those early dementia pills now if they're cheap and while it can still help your brain.

Also, forget nutrition/sport/yoga/walking and all that bullshit. It doesn't help and even if it did, you'd still be a slave to them just as you would to drugs.

>34364538
>There's nothing you can do
what a very jewish thing to say. mods should send him on a 3 day vacation


take 5htp, its over the counter and cheap food supplement
50mg 1st and 2nd day.
100mg 3 and 4,5 day and then 6,7,8 day 150mg. after the 5th day you will feel much, much better and after day 10 go back to 100mg and then stay at 100mg per day for a few days. then you should stop taking it alltogether, or go lower to 50mg/25mg.
they say one should take it with green tea to maximise the effects and minimise the risks.
note that this is a short patch solution. we create here a small window of 1-2 weeks, where you will not feel depressed or sad or whatever, but motivated and energetic and good, to "get shit done" aka break old habits and start maybe healthy habits and better sleep.
important is that you dont take it for more than 3 weeks and in the dosages recommended, as to prevent a serious serotonine syndrome
>t. im taking it with a mix of green tea and cistrose tea and it really helps me sleep and makes me fell way less depressed, started lifting too and feel overall better
this is of course, not medical advice for obv reasons
good luck

>>34364778
"Oh yeah bro, just take this one supplement that costs more than your previous medication. Take 10.42mg on Day 1, then take 15.34mg three-hours apart on Day 2. Then, on Day 3 take 20.21mg mixed with this one other herbal tea that costs a lot. Then, Day 4 back to 10.42mg (it's rally important you don't mix the 10.42mg dosage of Day 1 with the 15.34mg dosage of Day 2). Blah blah blah. "

You're the one in dire need of a "vacation" with such shit advice. Pharmaceutical companies spend millions every year on research and trials. If the solution to all problems would be your shit supplement regimen, then they would turn it into a medicine and patent it. And even if your shit regimen works (hint: it does not) you're a literal slave for following such a tedious grocery list of directives just to "not feel that depressed".

>>34364778
Hell, I will try. Better than just giving up and taking the meds again.

Thanks for trying to help.

>>34364518
most people (including psychiatrists) think depression is "unbalance neurochemicals," but the truth is that it is actually a brain circuitry problem. stated simply: your brain learned to be sad, and now it's stuck like that (low neuroplasticity). many such cases.

antidepressants help with this inadvertantly by increasing neuroplasticity after a while on them, but what you really need is increased neuroplasticity + therapy targeted at depression. the neuroplasticity makes your brain form new paths, and so long as you stay on those paths (or rather, avoid the habits/choices picked up while depressed), you'll stay out of it. the easiest way to do this quickly (relatively speaking) without purchasing research chemicals would probably be to source some psychedelics, and find a therapist willing to engage in psychedelic therapy with you. exercise can also do it as well, but that is not the easiest thing to do when depressed. normal antidepressants can serve as well, especially if they work for you, but the process will take longer.

one of the biggest things about depression is change. you need to change your routine or at the very least the thought processes that you have when doing work. this is the therapy is for. depression can be caused by things like inflammation as well, but in all likelihood it is more about your literal day to day habits. good luck & God bless.

>>34365479
I changed my habits in the years I was on antidepressants though. I was only a few weeks into being clean and it returned in full force. Needed a trigger, in my case, financial worry, and it was back.

>>34365492
Austria. What is NAMI? Some sort of self-help group?

>>34365585
by habits i mean mental habits, as well. the mind exists on tracks, and obviously depression stresses you out, so something happens and you get pushed on to old tracks, and then you get stuck. this sort of thing is precisely what therapy, particularly CBT (cognitive-behavorial therapy), is good for doing, it'll help train you to recognize your thoughts more clearly so that you may divert them before they rush you headlong into old tracks.

>>34365652
I will not trust a "therapy" named "CBT", you can't fool me.

Might be on to something, the stress of the depression is... paralyzing. Paralyzed in misery.

>>34365665
that lack of energy/drive is called avolition, and stems from dopamine dysregulation in your prefrontal cortex as a result of the depression. there are some drugs/antidepressants that can target that issue specifically (bupropion is one such), though it sounds like you did well enough with an SSRI.

just get the cognitive ball torture anon, seriously it'll help you become more resilient

>>34365699
I have tried with therapists, to no avail, was a giant waste of time.

I will look into the techniques of that therapy, thanks for the recommendation.

The SSRIs gave me a bit of drive, which was still much less than for a normal person. Now, without them, I have almost none.

>>34365760
SSRIs and Bup specifically don't have a lot of overlap in terms of the receptors they hit, so you might be able to ask your psych to prescribe both, or just try bup on its own and see if that could be enough to give you more drive. bup can have a fair amount of side effects, so you could substitute it with modafinil or low-dose stimulant and get approximately similar results (though i'd stick to bup or modafinil).

i should note i'm not a doctor, just part of the pharmacology fandom

>>34365827
I will talk to my shrink, now that I am clean it would be a good opportunity to try something new.

Trouble is mainly that I am self-employed, so drive is a must and lacking drive directly harms my income, which is actually one of my main triggers into downward-spirals, money worries, even though I have sizable savings that would let me survive for years without any income at all.

Do you have any concerns about trying Serotonin like >>34364778
suggested?

>>34365864
i'm not familiar specifically with serotonin as a supplement, but if i were to speculate, majority (something like 90%) of your body's serotonin is made and consumed by your stomach, so i'd expect most effects would go on there rather than going to your head, or to at least have side effects involving the gut. it would also interact with other SSRIs, which would probably make those meds contraindicted if you took them, so it is hard to imagine it being a net gain. but i haven't looked into it as a supplement so i can't say

Should've just killed urself 2bh

Why prolong ur worthless waste of oxygen existence

Go do whatever it is ya wanna try out then you can kys if you find nothing at the end of the rainbow