This is me being defeatist. But I cannot get past this hurdle. Women are fucking children. They cannot say what they want. I've had women interested in me. But instead of saying they like me they do this thing where they communicate with their eyeballs instead of just saying they like you like normal adults. And its not teenage women doing this. Its 25 year old women. It is driving me nuts. The only girl Ive ever had a pesudo relationship was extremely forward in the beginning which made it easy to tell she liked me. Then she pivoted back to that same behavior women do except she was 100x worse for whatever reason. She would only try to communicate with me verbally when she other women flirting with me. Genuinely, why are women like this. I sound like a boomer when I say they but cant they just fucking SAY THEY LIKE YOU??? Every single woman I've met is like this. The only other woman I've met who wasn't like this was a skinny nerdy asian girl that doesnt wear any makeup of all people. She did something that none of the "bad bitches" ive met did and thats initiate a conversation. Seriously, the bar is that fucking low for women.
>>34370825They communicated well enough that you knew they were interested. Seems like the problem is you.
>>34370825this is a vent post which is against the rulesi have a feeling the thread will stay up forever though
>>34370864divorce rates in america are at an all time high because women cannot communicate properly. the proof is in lesbian statistics. it doesnt matter if I know they like me if they cant hold a proper conversation. i was wondering why that one girl was so fucking weird and it suddenly makes sense to me now. her entire life shes been relying on her looks to get the guys she wants. when she was pressured to actually compete for a guy she deflated completely because she never developed proper social skills
>>34370881Weird flex but okay
>>34370825You make them know that you want them. Then see what happens. Attracting women isn't a thing. There's pursuing women.
>>34370868Shut up, loser
>>34370938>Attracting women isn't a thing. There's pursuing women.What?
>>34370825Yeah, you'll likely be single forever, you just have standards that desire a competent adult. Unfortunately, women are childish because every factor is against them maturing into an adult, they're coddled all through their lives, taught naive ideas, events that might spur character growth are feared and society protects them from such terrors. Even natural selection only filtered as far as 'can bear children?' over the millenia.Btw, if this boils you blood this much? might be worth researching asperger's shade of autism. might understand yourself better
>>34370825Like it or not, the societal dictate is that men do the approaching/pursuing, and most women are on board with this expectation for any number of reasons, not least of which is probably that it protects them from rejection and grants them plausible deniability against being embarrassed. Men are expected to assume the risks and act boldly, just how it is. If you don't like that, I understand, and there are definitely women who have no problem approaching you first or giving more clear passes, but they're the exception, not the rule. Of course it's a little hypocritical of you, too, anon, because if YOU like THEM, then you can also say so. Instead of getting upset at women for the way things are, you could just take the initiative as they expect you to, and that in and of itself is attractive to them because it shows you're willing to take risks and be bold. Like it, hate it, it is what it is for a reason. Yes, we should all be better at communicating and more direct about our desires and intentions, but that kind of thing starts with you. Or, you can be at peace being single and wait for one to approach you, that's perfectly respectable, just less likely and more passive. The last thing you should do is bitch about women and get upset at half the population. If they don't approach you or explicitly show interest, then that's just their loss, no? You lose nothing if they don't approach you.
>>34370825I have this same problem about understanding their hidden messages. Every time I realize they were trying to show me their interest is too late. So I'm 100% with you on that. But I have something to ask you: do you say "I like you" to them straightforwardly? Because I don't, and that's why I'm a depressed wizard who spends his days overthinking about old interactions and wasted opportunities. And even if I'm aware of that, the block is too strong, I can't tell them "I like you". Why should I expect them to do it then?
>>34370825It's a power thing. If they say they like you, then you have the opportunity to reject them, or socially humiliate them. So they prefer to keep it subtle and have you take all the risk.
>>34370974i do take initiative. thats why its hard for me to respect them. because it feels like im doing a job. i plan the dates, i glaze them and initiate the conversations, and i initiate every text message. all they do is keep saying yes yes yes. theres no actual effort being made to match my energy. its like im feeding a dog. their attraction for me grows while mine stays in the same place. i genuinely think im only attracted to women that make the first move because the other way around feels like a job
>>34370825You have to take initiative with women anon. Thats just how it is. Im also terrible at this when its towards a girl ive never met, and its made me want to kill myself before. Adapt or die
>>34370825>Genuinely, why are women like thisBecause we gave them rights.
>>34371642Obviously you shouldn't accept zero effort on their part, and frankly, if they're that passive, then they're likely not that interested. They might be interested enough to say yes to you, or to fuck you, but if the only thing that's bringing you two together is the effort you're putting in, then they don't actually want you. Taking the initiative and making the first move/being the first to express interest doesn't mean you should be catering to them hand and foot or dragging them along by the nose into everything, if that's what you've been doing then that is your fault for not having standards and acting like a doormat. Expect more, and stop wasting time with those who wouldn't even bother to reach out if you didn't call them first. You say that it's "most women", it sounds like it's just the lazy ones you've been allowing to take advantage of you. Stop that. Don't invest too much concern or care in them until they actually show interest. Stop that. All you need to do is pass the ball to them and see if they pass it back or not. That means approach them first, express interest first, talk to them first, but then give some space to see if they fill it or not. If you've gone on 2 or 3 dates and they're not reaching out to see you again, then they're not that into you. If they aren't making excuses to see you (putting in effort), or messaging you first, they're not that into you. If they're not asking questions about you or trying to learn more about you, they're not that into you. If you're not happy with the balance of interest and effort, then move on. Dating is just as much about disqualifying people as it is about finding people and building a connection. The problem isn't """women"'"", it's you having no standards and putting too much effort into women that just don't actually want you. If they wanted you, you'd feel it, and this wouldn't be a problem. Low energy = low attraction, anon, sorry you haven't realized this till now. Now you know.
>>34370825ngl anonwhy not just date a femboy? or a trans girl? who knows? maybe you'll get lucky c:
>>34370825Given how much you dislike women, I would think you'd be happy to be single forever. What's the problem?
>>34371910>theyre not that into youThat feels hard to believe. In person, I can see how they act. If I call to them, theyre all smiles and like talking to me. They do ask questions about me. I genuinely just think most women (or the women im attracted to I guess) have terrible social skills and that the only way for me to get a girlfriend is for me to be direct to the point of autism. I think its just my type of woman. Ive had other women who were interested in me who were pretty blatant but they usually have something about them that puts me off (ex. single mom, obese, etc.). I remember asking out a girl for her instagram and she told me she didnt have one. i assumed it was just girlspeak for i dont like you so I started leaving her alone. then for the next few days she would literally stare me down every time she would see me and would also stare when I wasnt looking. It would confuse me so much. I also had one girl whose way of showing off affection was showing off her nails and spamming my inbox with instagram reels. i thought she friend zoned me until i asked her out then she said yes. And then there was this one girl who was just straight up fucking weird. she would stare me down and smile at me. but when i would talk to her she wouldnt ask me questions. she wouldnt initiate any conversations. sometimes when id say hi to her shed look at me like i killed her dog. it drove me nuts. i asked her out and she turned me down. then i started ignoring her and then she proceeded to aggressively get to know me every time she saw me. this only happened after another woman started flirting with me in front of her.
>>34372018I agree with this. Sometimes they literally put in zero effort while desperately hoping that you do something. I try to avoid those though because it's a one-way ticket to becoming a cuck.
>>34370825women exist to be pumped and dumped, marriage is a fools game
>>34370825You sound autistic and upset that women want to be wooed. You have my pity.
GREETINGS ANON, I AM ENGAGING IN THIS COMMUNQUE TO INFORM I WISH TO PERSUE ROMANTIC INTEREST. YOUR TRULY, FEMOID.Ah yes, truly a wonderful world.
>>34370864fpbp that whole post dont make sense. either he knows or he doesnt know
>>34370825So you're upset that everyone doesn't behave according to your models of them inside your own head, is that about right?
