>>34372640
I stopped reading after "17 year old". Hopefully, she's wise enough to stear clear away from your literal or metaphorical funk

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>>34372640
Realize what happened and apply this knowledge so you can tell the next time this happens instead of letting it slip away. Really nothing more you can do but this. Wistfully reflecting on it and making your heart race is fun and all but ultimately it achieves nothing. Collect yourself, apply yourself.
>>34372652

>>34372652
>17 year old
OMG, she was 17 year old 364 days you sick fuck!

KYS, lol

>>34372662
The problem is definitely also about "the next time this will happen": this happened only one time in my whole life and I'm not going to get younger... I feel like this was a one in a million probability, and now I's over. I mean, it never began actually, but now I know what I'm missing out and it's even worse.
>>34372745
Btw, she was literally 17 and 10 months or so... lmao

>>34372770
Shit happens dude, it's the worst feeling ever, I know. It will pass

She’s probably not thinking about you. You’re more attached to the concept of her than the reality

>>34372783
>It will pass
I hope so, but the "only time in your life wasted chance" + "OCD obsessive overthinking sperg mentality" combo won't help the process
>>34372790
>She’s probably not thinking about you
Uhmmm, of course? Duh?!? She probably don't even remember my name at this point. That's not the problem tho. The problem is that I got hit by her like a train, which I wasn't aware of being able to, and that I'd never know for sure what could've happened if only I wasn't a stuck up sperg retard

>>34372790
>>34372815
Or.... she's crying while looking at the moon and imagining our dream home and kids right now... we'll never know for sure lmao

>>34372770
>>34372815
How many more times do you need to reflect on what you missed out on before you actually do something about it? Be glad it happened to you at all. You know know how women feel when they break up with their abusive ex boyfriend; they will always compare their new boyfriend to their ex and how much they miss being beaten by them. Same shit. It'll be a worm in your brain for the forseeable future, but there's nothing to be done. You missed out on it, but that's fine, you can grow and move on. Are you going to kill yourself over it because you think you'll never love again? If so, head on over to the hardware store and get it over with right now. Save yourself the time and energy.

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>>34372825
>Be glad it happened to you at all.
Should I be glad to have seen the Paradise only through the keyhole, just to be thrown in hell for eternity? That's a worse punishment than going straight to hell actually. That was basically God laughing at me, if you know what I mean

>>34372838
Hey nta but don't you think there's something deeper going on here? Like I know what it feels to miss an opportunity with a woman, or how it can feel to see 17 year olds and knowing that you're too old for them. But some of the things you say just sound like they're coming from a place of excessive regret and being unhappy with your life. I used to regret a lot of things when I was at the trough of my depression.

>>34372838
now we're at the base moral dilemma that is plaguing your psyche. the eternal 'to love and have lost is better than to never have loved at all' and its inverted counterpart are one of the oldest debates in human psychology. personally I believe experiencing the high of that fleeting love is better than living your life as a nothing gooble glop person existing unaware of it. the imagination of a better life and an alternate reality of if youve only done the right thing is fun and all, but that's all it is, imagination. the only thing you can do is chase that dragon. maybe a higher power has bestowed upon you an ideal existence you should strive for. maybe you were meant to do nothing in this situation. becauze imma be real wit u that relationship was probably gonna be awkward as fuck and go nowhere if you actually did something and go for it. i dont think you were prepared for that smoke. god only knows what kind of baggage she had. but again this is merely speculation and i'm doing the same thing you're doing. this is just how a functional human brain works.

very autistic behavior, but. the grain of truth is there. you do need to be sort of...mystically attracted to your wife. you don't "grow" to be attracted to someone, it's either there or it isn't. and there are plenty of fish in the sea. next time, try to have a better plan than just autistically staring at someone.

>>34372852
>a place of excessive regret and being unhappy with your life
Well, the "romantic" department of my life is literally empty, of course I'm unhappy with it. it's not even regret, because I know it's about being an old soul forced to live into this post sexual revolution disgustingly promiscuous hellhole. I'm deeply and instictually repulsed by the modern ways of socialisation. That's why I added the "I hate boomers" bit, to make it clear that we're not broken, it's the fucking society that got subverted and turned into a zoo. Men can't live in a zoo comfortably
>>34372854
I tend to agree with you, and I feel some sort of perverted pleasure under the layers of pain. It's like Sehnsucht, that Werther's depression which is also soothing. But it's also a very lonely feeling, and I can only imagine how it would feel if you're reciprocated
>>34372858
This. I always wondered how the fuck someone goes "that's the one. That's the girl I want to spend my life with". Now I get it. She was it. Maybe if you're a normie and you know thousands of people, it'd be easier to find several ones "clicking mystically". But since I rarely see new people, she was a statistical error basically. Even at school or during other jobs I never found someone able to do this. She really was a rare perfect combo for me

>>34372854
>that relationship was probably gonna be awkward as fuck
You mean for the age gap or the fact that we were both turbo autists?

>>34372919
both. tangentially related, but the way I cope with realizing i missed out on girls who were into me in school was that i wasn't mature enough to realize the signals they were giving me anyways. it wasn't until several years later that I realized they were into me at which point it's too late to do anything. hell, a very cute one straight up invited me to a renaissance fair by herself and i said no because i didnt wanna go. the pain of that regret fuels my drive to find something new and open up that next chapter in my life. i hope you can use this as fuel in the same kind of way.

>>34372911
i absolutely believe attraction is a mysterious thing and can't be predicted. i actually believe it's God orchestrating marriages in the background. just as an example, when i met my wife i was a kissless incel. i KNEW. we were at a party in grad school. she didn't even look conventionally attractive, but i just somehow knew.

>>34372911
>I always wondered how the fuck someone goes "that's the one. That's the girl I want to spend my life with". Now I get it. She was it.
mf you barely knew her, you're in love with the idea of her and the traits that your brain has filled in with her rather than her herself

>>34372640
>too much of a pussy to make a move
>why did the jews and boomers do this to me???
you did it to yourself beta boy

>>34372640
>>34372790
>You’re more attached to the concept of her than the reality
this anon is right, search halo effect, I have too fallen victim of that, until I got to know the girl more and see she was not as perfect as I thought she were

>>34372947
I can relate a lot with not catching obvious (for everyone else) hints, and realizing them only after a lot of time.
About the awkwardness tho, the age gap isn't really a great problem, since I don't have experience. I'd actually feel a lot more awkward with a 25+ with previous relationships, judging me about it constantly. And having the same avoidant and reserved nature was a huge plus for a relationship imo, the problem in that case is starting it (which of course it's what happened).
>>34372959
>i actually believe it's God orchestrating marriages in the background
So it really was God laughing at me. I knew it!
>>34373027
I shared a desk with her for a month, I saw how she reacted when normies told her she had to "get out of the shell". I saw how she acted. It's not something you can fake. That's a solid base. Who cares about her favourite movie, food, color? I don't know every detail about her, but I saw her essence, and that's what hit me.
>>34373042
You know that before jews and boomers you could make a socially accepted, honorable move, just following a code, instead of acting like a bonobo AND risking a stalking lawsuit? That's why I hate them, retard. It's not about being a pussy, it's about not having "moves" anymore

>>34373056
I already considered that. But I actually saw some undesirable trait of her, and that didn't change anything. She was a bit frivolous and vain. I found it cute instead of insufferable. And when I saw the older female colleagues snickering at her for that, I felt that same protection instinct I had when they were nagging her about her shyness

>>34373060
No one is going to file a lawsuit against you for asking out a coworker, you hysterical incel. You're living in a fantasy world you've created after spending way too much time on places like this site. It's very easy to tell if a girl is interested in you or not and asking out a girl you have chemistry with is never going to result in a "stalking lawsuit".

My wife and I met 5 years ago. She's 14 years younger than me and I was her boss at work when I asked her out. But that happened after we developed a relationship from working together, not me just sitting silently across the room staring at her and never having a conversation like you apparently did with your girl.

>>34373027
is 100% correct; you know nothing about this girl and you're projecting your desires onto her.

>>34373097
>No one is going to file a lawsuit against you for asking out a coworker,
No, but you can ruin the work environment, get every coworker laugh at your back, make her uncomfortable for the rest of her time there, etc etc, you "I was her boss" faggot

>>34373097
>I was her boss at work
Based

>>34373140
He's a boomer. That's the opposite of based

>>34373114
The only way you're doing any of that shit is if you don't read the atmosphere first and force yourself on a girl who isn't into you. Obviously if at work, you shouldn't ask someone out unless you're sure they're going to say yes, but it's pretty easy to tell.

My point is that you've been brainwashed by retarded incel propaganda if you actually think that you're going to be mocked and harassed and have criminal lawsuits filed against you because you asked someone out. Even if you actually believed that shit, if you weren't a pussy bitch then you still could have asked her out at the end of her last day.

>>34373178
>He's a boomer.
She was 19 and I was 33 when I asked her out so no, not really. Her best friend at the time, same age as her, was dating a guy in his 40s. They ended up getting married too.

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>>34373178
You need more testosterone in your blood, Shinji-kun
Do what I do, hit the gym and hope God lets you live long enough until you're one of those boomers

>>34372815
>I'd never know for sure what could've happened
Unless you're a 6'10" Chad with a 7 figure trust fund, a mid 6 figure job and a 10" dick, absolutely nothing would have happened. Except she makes a youtube video about how this creepy old man at her internship tried to molest her.

>>34373288
On behalf of millennial guys, I'd like to thank your generation for unironically believing this slop. Never in my life have I had an easier time picking up gorgeous women in their early twenties and almost all of them tell me that guys their age never show any interest in them. It fucks with their self confidence (which probably makes it even easier for me to pick them up) because they think it's because there's something wrong with them, and I've actually gone as far as sitting some of them down and showing them posts like this on /r9k/ or whatever
>see, its not you, they're just complete fucking idiots
>but why would they think they need all that stuff just to ask me out? i'm still in college, why would i expect guys my age to be making six figures or whatever already?
>they're just cowards babe, they're so terrified of you telling them no that they invent all this shit to justify not even trying

>>34372640
she shits you know. like huge stinky watery diarrhea shits

>>34373302
But are you a Chad?

>>34372640
>G-guys... I thought I was a sperg robot, wtf is that? I'm going to whisper her name on the deathbed like Citizen Kane, am I? Is there someone of you who experienced something like this and can relate?
there's paternal cross-wiring going on
you saw her as a daughter to protect

i don't want to read whatever bullshit is in this thread but that's what's going on, i've seen it happen multiple times

>>34373234
>it's pretty easy to tell.
No its not, see >>34372947 . Just admit you're a normie
>>34373288
And this guy is the opposite, the guy who fell for the incel propaganda...
>>34373324
Anon, that's hot when she is the one doing it, ngl
>>34373325
He's a larper or a normie. He said he was the girl's boss ffs. Lmao

>>34373332
This is actually the most interesting take. But I didn't perceive her as young enough to be my daughter, I just saw myself mirrored in her behaviour, and felt that we were similar souls. That's the moment I started to really feel for her, before realising that she was just a gorgeous girl to my eyes. Anyway, men are normally attracted to neotenous features in their partners, which naturally triggers the "protect and provide" instinct. I think you're supposed to feel that for your partner, otherwise you just have a mommy. I must say that I can't even see older women (40+) as attractive, so I must have this feature hardwired in me

>>34373234
>could have asked her out at the end of her last day.
No I couldn't. In that office there's a relative of her. Also I'm not the boss who can fuck whatever secretary he likes like you with no consequences, so shut up, you don't know shit, Mr high status normie

>>34373302
>but why would they think they need all that stuff just to ask me out? i'm still in college, why would i expect guys my age to be making six figures or whatever already?
>proceeds to settle down with he boss
Women, I'm right?

>>34373980
>>34373995
So basically you don't want any advice, you don't want to learn from this experience, all you want is to have a little circle jerk with other losers who will assure you that there's nothing you could have done differently. This attitude, not anything else about you or your life, is why you're a "wizard". Your life will stay exactly the same until the day you die alone and miserable if you don't start taking personal responsibility for what happens in it.

Why are you not allowed to ask this girl out if you work with one of her relatives? Why would that have anything to do with it?

>>34374053
I do want advice, I just don't want to hear a normie saying "just try bro, it's easy to tell, listen to me, I'm the boss of my wife, so?". If you have actual advices instead of "just try" I'll listen

>Why are you not allowed to ask this girl out if you work with one of her relatives? Why would that have anything to do with it?
Because I don't want to be the office creep who asked out the niece of one of my coworkers. It seems like you understand social norms less than me, and I'm a fucking sperg...

>>34374053
>Why would that have anything to do with it?
And to be clear: in the past asking her out was a way to say "I like you and I want to marry you", and it was seen as a compliment by both the girl and her family, even if she rejected you. Now, after the boomers you like so much, asking a girl out is like saying "I want to fuck you this same evening", which of course is repulsing if you're not a Chad or a high status mf like you. And your true intentions don't even matter, because the mere action of asking her out is immediately perceived as sexual. That's why there's this whole "age gap" hysteria, because nobody wants to see his teen daughter fucked in a one night stand (apparently they're fine if they do it in college tho). In the past it was normal because asking a girl out implied a honorable deal, because if you just wanted to fuck you were going to the brothel, not to a respectable girl

>>34374113
Just imagine to bring her flowers or a love letter:
>100 years ago: awwww cute! What a man!
>now: ewwww ick! What a loser incel weirdo!

See? That's what boomers did, and you can't deny it. I'm not even one of those incels believing all women are whores, I just notice reality when it hits you in the face, you know

>>34374098
>If you have actual advices instead of "just try" I'll listen
If you have so far refused to try then the only relevant advice is for you to try. Until you do that and see what happens, there's nothing else to give advice on. You're like these fat people with health issues caused by their obesity who cry that doctors won't do anything except tell them to lose weight. Maybe their problems are caused by something else but it's most likely their weight so until they lose it, there's no point in trying anything else.

Similarly, when your problems are caused by refusing to try, there's no point in giving any other advice until you take the first step and put in some effort. If you had made some effort to start a relationship with this girl then it might be different but when the situation is literally
>hey i started at this girl from across the room for a while and i never talked to her or tried to befriend her and i wish i could marry her
then what exactly do you expect to hear other than maybe you should have made an effort to interact with her?

>Because I don't want to be the office creep who asked out the niece of one of my coworkers.
Why would that make you a creep?

>>34374113
>asking a girl out is like saying "I want to fuck you this same evening"
This is pure projection on your part and I'm beginning to suspect that you're so worried that people will see you as a creep because that's what you are.

I'm not going to waste any more time trying to babysit you because I know how this goes with you guys. You will make any excuse to avoid trying. You're so terrified of failure that you invent this absurd nonsense to justify never even trying. The difference between you and successful people is that successful people aren't afraid to fail. The more times you fail, the more you learn and the better chance you have of succeeding next time. If you never try then you'll never fail but you'll never succeed either.

>>34374147
>You're like these fat people with health issues caused by their obesity who cry that doctors won't do anything except tell them to lose weight
Spot on. In fact, a decent doctor should tell them HOW to lose weight, not just repeating it. That is actually infuriating if you're a clueless fatso (and if you have a problem that's not only "I eat like a mf all day long", which doesn't parallel my case, since I'm not one of those faggots who hate women a priori)
>>34374147
>If you had made some effort to start a relationship with this girl then it might be different
I didn't just stared. As I said I made several kind and gallant gestures towards her, but always keeping it quiet. I didn't want to freak her out. And I even tried to write to her on instagram some time ago, but she has a private profile and I couldn't send my message (inb4 ask her to follow you: my social medias are basically bots with 0 content). Maybe if she was going to stay a year instead of a month, my approach could've evolved in something slightly more bold, but that's it.
>>34374120
>This is pure projection on your part
Lmao, so now I'm a creep because I avoided to be a creep? Holy cope
>>34374147
>successful people aren't afraid to fail
I agree on that, and that's the reason why it's often the lower, most retarded people who reproduce. Because they don't have a functioning brain telling them "maube you're fucking up"... they just live like npcs

Fuuuck I just met her doppleganger, I'm not feeling well guys

>>34373332
>i've seen it happen multiple times
Can you share these stories anon?

i'm a guy and you make my skin crawl
>I want to skip that part
dont

>>34375234
Don't you mean, he gives you the "ick"?

>>34375234
You're a faggot, I don't care about your opinion

>>34375355
Probably because I'm too straight for him

>>34372640
>be wizard
I guess you have a hard time interpreting signals and people.
>you know you have perfection at hand reach
LOL, even LMAO
>have a "this is what they took from you" epiphany about how just a century ago you'd have asked her to be your fiance, married her as soon as she finished school, bought a little house and filled it with kids

Actually, a century ago, after you asked marriage she would asked her mother about their opinion and she could say you have no enough real state as an adecuate groom.

Mi opinion: before you become so lovesick, you should try more real life comunication and get to know your interest. This girl is probably retarded and all this faboulous future with her are castles in the air. Become more normie and enjoy more normie girls, it's a really goodwilled advice.

>>34375906
>I guess you have a hard time interpreting signals and people.
Very insightful anon, who could've imagined?
>LOL, even LMAO
Well, I mean perfection for my tastes, of course. I don't actually think she was objectively perfect, I even told you that she had some undesirable trait which annoyed my (female) collegues. Anyway, if you're a loner with basically 0 chances, when your dream girl is literally in front of you, you call it perfection, aka a one in a million possibilities
>Actually, a century ago, after you asked marriage she would asked her mother about their opinion and she could say you have no enough real state as an adecuate groom.
She wasn't a fucking duchess anon, I have a decent job and it was enough back then for a middle class girl like her
>Mi opinion: before you become so lovesick,
It's not something you control, you know. I wasn't even aware of being able to feel that before her.
>you should try more real life comunication and get to know your interest.
I didn't have the necessary time, sadly.
>This girl is probably retarded
Holy copium
>and all this faboulous future with her are castles in the air.
Of course, there's no possible faboulous future in the boomer extrovert hell
>Become more normie and enjoy more normie girls, it's a really goodwilled advice.
>bro just lower your IQ, it's gonna be fine!
Lmao

>>34372640
17 year old pussy is crazy. Don't listen to the people who shame you for wanting prime cat

>>34376092
I don't give a fuck about those retards anon, that's why I posted my experience as it really was (I could've easily modified or erased the age detail). That said, I'm not obsessed with sex (as I said I'm a fucking wizard, and 18yo prostitutes are easily available if you really want that), I just want a cutie wife to spend my time with. Pathetic? Maybe, but Idgaf

>>34376269
Don't get me wrong tho, it's not like I'm asexual. I just want to do it the right way, mantaining my dignity and not behaving like a normie ape or paying for it like it's a fucking service. Hope you can understand what I'm trying to say here, and I bet some can relate

>>34372640
>I_hate_(((boomers)))_so_much_it's_unreal.jpeg
Same. Love my dad though

>>34376503
Based boomer damage noticer

>>34372640
No tldr it's "limerence"
Why didn't you just get her contact and befriend her or whatever and get over your stupid pedestalization of the mediocre

>>34376875
>limerence
So basically love, but for losers who are not reciprocated? How is this feeling different from "love", if you experienced both?
>Why didn't you just get her contact and befriend her
Because I'm a sperg who can't into socialisation, if you didn't notice. I simply didn't have a natural excuse to ask her private contacts, and doing it out of the blue would've been very weird. Idk, do you guys find all these social interactions natural and easy? Is this still 4chan or I'm on fucking facebook? Listening to you it's all fun and giggles apparently, where are the spergs who can relate?

>>34377288
It's a bastardized version of love, sure. It's an infatuation built by fantasies not grounded in reality, and a huge sense of inadequacy/personal failings that you want to compensate with using this silver bullet "love" solution. It's just fraudshit

You love your mother, you love your dog. You "love" this thing that represents something to fill the inner hollow that is within you, which you perceive to be true but is far from reality due to your lack of data and your desperation distorting the true account of events/happenings/people/whatever/reality

>Listening to you it's all fun and giggles apparently, where are the spergs who can relate
Maybe 10 years ago but have you heard of this thing called growing the fuck up? And growing some fucking balls too, you ball-lless fuck
If she's not around then tough luck, try harder next time instead of fantasising your stupid shit and letting absolutely nothing materialise

>>34377493
>You love your mother
That's a completely different type of feeling tho. If you're feeling that towards a girl you've either been married for 30 years or it's your sister. I meant the stereotype "love" you see in books and films, which I believed to be bullshit. That looks really close to the limerence, except that they magically find someone who feels the same for them...
>>34377493
>Maybe 10 years ago but have you heard of this thing called growing the fuck up?
Anon, if you were 30 and a khv you would understand that it's probably even worse than 10 years ago actually. The more time passes the more you grow insecure, even if you have more control over your emotions and a better understanding of how to act, you're basically disabled. Normies can't get it

>>34377558
It is indeed bullshit. Get to know her more, try to ask her out or whatever, and your impression will probably sour real quick

But you're too much of a coward to do it so I guess you can rot in your make-believe world and die blissfully ignorant

>>34377580
>>>34377580
>your impression will probably sour real quick
You all sound like you never met a decent girl tho, with your "it's all imagination, she was actually a retard/bitch/whatever" copium. I saw her conduct irl, and as I said, you can't fake that for a whole month, especially since she wasn't trying to impress anyone with that behaviour (they considered her coyness a flaw). You're more doomers than me ffs, you believe all women are trash... why even try then? Just pay an escort and you're done

>>34377603
You're the one coping, you barely know this girl and you're fantasising as if she's your soulmate all cuz she's a uwu quirky sperg shygirl perfectly tailored for you as if we haven't seen these walking tropes play out billions of times before. You're basically just as underdeveloped as a 17 year old, and no, that does not make you a good match, in fact it makes you a worse match and she'll probably rather get railed by a secure daddy Chad than beta cuck soi like you. Get a fucking grip. If you think you're so meant to be and there's no other moid better for her than yourself, go give her the amazing opportunity of being your partner by messaging her on Instagram or whatever gayshit you've been monitoring. Or shut the fuck up and go find another bitch to pine over, there's an endless stream of young bitches who fit all these le uwu innocent tropes to a tee (before they actually grow the fuck up of course). Not only does she need to "get out of her shell", but so do you.

>>34377639
>there's an endless stream of young bitches who fit all these le uwu innocent tropes to a tee
Yeah, where? You keep talking like a fucking normie, you don't even understand what isolantion means, you don't get how a mentalcel can't just "be himself" or "grow up"... holy shit this site is worse than plebbit at this point

>>34377639
>before they actually grow the fuck up of course
So before they become sluts, which apparently is inevitable? Whew, what a great worldview. Spoiler: there are not only extrovert turbo normies like you on this sarth

>>34377666
>sarth
*earth

>>34377655
Yeah I know what isolation is. It's a choice you fucking made because you're a fucking ball-lless loser who's too addicted to stupid fantasy to face fucking reality. Either fucking stop being a pussy and make some fucking moves, go attend some shit where there are gorls (or talk to that 17 yo) or whatever, or keep whining about how you're ohhhhh so mentally blocked what a tragedy from going up to someone and saying hi and taking a little risk in your stupid asinine insular decay of a life

>>34377666
Oh, so if someone stops being cripplingly shy they're suddenly a slut? Yeah nice worldview you have there, completely binary either or, no room for any nuance or grey, everything black and white, it's either full-blown extroverted normie partying drinking sexing 24/7 or shut-in hikikomori NEET loser nerd incel with a slew of mental disorder labels

>>34377670
>avoiding public shame and basically being a clown since you can't into normie extrovert social mess is a choice
Well, yeah, I also choose not to go around naked while shouting "the end is near"... because the final result would be very similar, you fucktard. Can you even imagine how you'd feel if you hadn't eaten breakfast?
>>34377672
Who said she was a shut in hikkikomori loser? She was just a regular girl with her friends, but she was shy and reserved, and definitely not promiscuous like a normie slut. I can definitely see nuances, sadly in this modern hell it's a rare gem to find a normal girl since they're 99% either turbo whores or/and retarded normies

>>34377676
>Who said she was a shut in hikkikomori loser
You essentially did except genderswap now it's either they're a shygirl uwu virgin princess or they're a turboslut and no inbetween

And a-fucking-gain
>Not isolating yourself and having varied interactions with other humans is equivalent to running around naked screaming the end is nigh

Holy fuck learn what fucking balance and moderation is. I think you REALLY need to go out and just talk to people cuz whatever the fuck you're spinning up in your head is reaching some damn farfetched distorted levels and you need a reality check

>>34377695
>varied interactions with other humans
For example? Because you don't fucking get a gf by just "talking to people" in a polite way today. You have to basically act as a unfiltered retard who doesn't know what a border or decency is. I'm not the shut in you think I am, I actually can talk to people in a formal environment, I just can't spill all my fucking business to the first faggot I met, like normies nowadays do. Is that so weird? Well, strangely in the past most people were weirdos then, and suddenly became different after the damn fucking hippies...

>>34377701
Get to know people. The more you spill, the more likely others will. Not always guaranteed but you miss all shots you don't take

>>34377858
>The more you spill, the more likely others will
Actually people tell me all sort of their personal stuff, I wonder how the fuck they trust me after 2 seconds. I really can't do that, it takes months and even years for me to trust someone, and even with my family or friends I never speak of really personal stuff, that's why I opened this thread. It baffles me how normies talk about themselves like it's the most natural thing ever. No wonder they're constantly fighting and being backstabbed, when you don't filter your thoughts

>>34377907
*when you don't filter your thoughts it's obvious that someone will use them against you. Not everyone can keep a secret like I do, they're playing with fire

>>34377910
Hm. Well if you don't put yourself out there, you don't get feedback allowing yourself to adjust/calibrate. And you get stuck. Hence it is worth putting something out there, vulnerable or whatever, even if it carries those risks of backfiring

>>34377923
I don't really know what to say tho. I can't think of trivial stuff, and every word I say is the result of overthinking. That's what I was trying to say, my brain is wired differently. And it's a great coencidence that society in the past was basically structured for people like me, giving you a structure and rituals instead of the "just be yourself bro" mantra, which is basically equal to say "be a fucking mindless animal with 0 filters"

>>34377923
>you don't get feedback
Btw I can't even get the feedbacks when they happen, because I realized after a lot of time that some girls (not this one) actually tried to show me their interest (of course, using their fucking secret code instead of speaking)

>>34377968
>>34377974
You make the structure then. Brute force put yourself into places that force an answer out of you. Fail and learn better for next time. Next time someone speaks in codes, confront them and clarify what their codes meant

>>34377493
>You "love" this thing that represents something to fill the inner hollow that is within you, which you perceive to be true but is far from reality due to your lack of data and your desperation distorting the true account of events/happenings/people/whatever/reality
If that's fake, what is it like to feel real romantic love for a girl who's not a family member?

>>34379645
>Brute force put yourself into places that force an answer out of you
What do you mean? I don't really get this advice, can you give me some examples? Do you mean throw myself out of my comfort zone randomly and feel like an alien in the middle of people? That already happened every time I had to attend to some normie social gathering. You don't learn anything, it's just exhausting
>Next time someone speaks in codes, confront them and clarify what their codes meant
Something like:
>"hey babe, what do you mean with that hug? I'm just a friend or do you want to fuck me right now?"
Lmao, there's a reason why it's an unspoken language. If you can't get it, you're a weirdo. Being perceived as a weirdo isn't my goal

>>34379662
Romanceslop is far from love. Love means you'd sacrifice an arm and leg for someone. When it comes to non-family love, it means having intimate/in-depth knowledge about someone, strengths and weaknesses, but your love for them exceeds your hatred (or apathy). And they also complement you in some way, and also a positive exchange/transaction that is mutually beneficial. This creates a sense of security, stability and future progression

>>34379694
>having intimate/in-depth knowledge about someone, strengths and weaknesses, but your love for them exceeds your hatred (or apathy). And they also complement you in some way, and also a positive exchange/transaction that is mutually beneficial.
So you can only "love" your wife after 30 years of marriage? It takes an awful lot of time to develop the relationship you're describing

>>34379692
You force an answer out of yourself by forcing an answer out of them. All you see are facades or mixed signals and it's up to you to rip the layer off and determine the truth behind it all. Better to be perceived as a weirdo than nothing at all

>>34379702
It really doesn't take 30 years. Takes like 1 year, maybe less maybe more depending on the dynamics or retardation levels of people, some people never make it

>>34379704
This seems a great recipe for a harassment lawsuit desu.
>inb4 you're just an incel imagining this in your brain
No, if you can't get subtle, occult, obscure signals, and you force your interpretation of them into reality, you're going to fuck it up badly, it's not a fantasy
>>34379705
In one year you don't know someone's flaws and strenghts, unless you literally live 24/7 with them (and in that case, why the fuck are you living with someone who's not in love with you in the first place)

>>34379716
It is if you're smart about it (takes even less time, people aren't all that complicated, they're pretty simple animals once you've seen patterns play out millions of times). And you can live with friends, who says your roommate has to be in love with you?

And no, who the hell is gonna pursue harassment charges (for a mere exchange of words, unless you're raising your voice cussing them out or something that actually threatens their safety), that's more costly than any potential gains. At most they start being rude or curt to you, in which you can return the same rudeness and be done with it, go next

>>34379752
>It is if you're smart about it
>once you've seen patterns play out millions of times
>MILLIONS
Do you realise that all your answers are just normie flexing? Sounds like you have to show how cool and street smart you are, especially since you know that you're talking to an isolated sperg who hates social interactions. This are not advices nor suggestions, it's just plebbit normie stuff. Who the hell has not millions, but even hundreds of social interactions? Are you a character from one of those sitcoms in which they fuck a new extra in each episode?
>And you can live with friends, who says your roommate has to be in love with you?
You don't marry nor fall in love with friends, we're talking about completely different situations. And how many people live with friends? That's another college sõyfag take here
>And no, who the hell is gonna pursue harassment charges
Even if they don't actually charge you they'll tell everyone you're a creep/loser/weirdo. Reputation ruined. But since you're definitely a big city dweller (it shows from your answers) you can't understand how normal humans work, since you basically live in a human-anthill where people are just a disposable gear to each other. You could literally walk naked on the street and nobody would give a fuck there. We're basically from two different planets

>>34379752
>>34380144
Btw, I don't want to fight you, and I somehow appreciate how you tried to have a conversation, but I'm so fed up of you people giving shit for granted. It's infuriating. You're like a fatso lardass visiting Africa and telling starving kids that they should try chocolate, and how easy it is to take it out of the wrapper once you bought it at the candy shop...

>>34380144
I was using figurative language. It absolutely feels like millions once you've saturated most of human interaction and experience. I'd say it would indeed be in the hundreds, that's probably the actual numbers more or less to reach that saturation point.

>You don't marry nor fall in love with friends
Lmao. Yes you do. If your partner is not a friend first and foremost then idk what you married. A trophy? An accessory?

>And how many people live with friends?
You don't have to physically do it, you can spend time with them in other ways, but yes living together is the most efficient way to "get" someone's character etc. But not the only, you'll also have to see how they react to other situations/scenarios outside the comfort bubble of their home + with other people in the mix

>they'll tell everyone you're a creep/loser/weirdo. Reputation ruined
Reputation can be reformed too. Maybe that initial descent is worth it for the greater eventual ascent

And well yes it's 2026, industrial revolution and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race n all that jazz

>>34380202
>Lmao. Yes you do. If your partner is not a friend first and foremost then idk what you married. A trophy? An accessory?
So friendzone is just another incel myth now?
>You don't have to physically do it, you can spend time with them in other ways, but yes living together is the most efficient way to "get" someone's character etc. But not the only, you'll also have to see how they react to other situations/scenarios outside the comfort bubble of their home + with other people in the mix
But that's exactly what I saw of that girl... she was outside her comfort zone, and I saw how she reacted... why is that "my projection" and not "getting her character"?
>Reputation can be reformed too. Maybe that initial descent is worth it for the greater eventual ascent
"hey remember that turbo creep incel freak? He's a Chad now!"... said no one ever

>>34380202
>I'd say it would indeed be in the hundreds
>do you know how to stop being an isolated sperg? By being an extrovert normie!
Yes, no shit

>>34380229
You saw how she reacts in 1 particular setting and nothing else. You didn't even see how she reacts to YOU, it doesn't sound like you two had any degree of closeness. She could be all shy uwu and then turn into a completely different character when interacting with you. It's like a parasocial relationship again where people build these ideas about someone they've never interacted with, except it's with someone who's right next to you. You're building an entire fantasy out of someone you've barely interacted with. And plus, with shy people, usually at some point they'll get out of that phase, so if anything, whatever you saw of her was temporary

Friend zone is just friend zone, it can escalate or it can never escalate, every case is different

>>34380234
Which can be brute forced, it's not hard to larp, it just takes some fucking balls which you refuse to grow

>>34380242
>She could be all shy uwu and then turn into a completely different character when interacting with you.
When she interacted with me she was shy aswell, the same as with anyone else. And I know from a reliable direct source that she was like that at school aswell. >And plus, with shy people, usually at some point they'll get out of that phase, so if anything, whatever you saw of her was temporary
Not surprising since you normies keep nagging on us until we either larp or kill ourselves holy shit
>>34380244
>it's not hard to larp
Sorry I'm not a clowinsh actor who wants to put on a draining energy larp show for his whole life just to appease some retarded low IQ normie expectation. As I said, dignity has a value to me, and I'm not going to act like a chimp just to fuck. If I was that desperate I'd have paid a hooker

>>34380265
Ok, so she's shy. That's why I say stop pedestalizing the mediocre. Being shy is not an achievement. If anything it's a sign of being underdeveloped. If you want shy then go be a pedophile and groom little children who are still timid and unassuming. Plenty of them around.

Yes, at some point she'll move on from the shyness, leaving you behind too. Then what will you do? Cry in the corner?

If you refuse to do some basic larping to show courtesy to the common human then idk. I think you're way too fucking arrogant than you have any right to be. Probably be a good thing to pay a hooker at this point, get it over and done with

Nobody said for you to larp to fuck. The point of larping is to make communication clearer/smoother so that you get what you want. If all you want is to fuck, then that's your own skill issue at picking goals

>>34380284
>That's why I say stop pedestalizing the mediocre. Being shy is not an achievement. If anything it's a sign of being underdeveloped.
It's sign of having a grain of decency left in you in 2026. We're surrounded by obnoxious attention whores if you hacen't noticed. A shy girl is a rare gem, not mediocre
>If you want shy then go be a pedophile and groom little children who are still timid and unassuming. Plenty of them around.
Here we go with actual projection on your part here... wtf man?
>Yes, at some point she'll move on from the shyness, leaving you behind too. Then what will you do? Cry in the corner?
See? You fucking normie retard can't conceive shyness as another (and definitely more dignified) way of being. For you it's just an issue to fix. You can't fucking grasp another POV, typical extrovert retard
>If you refuse to do some basic larping to show courtesy to the common human then idk.
Courtesy? Like saying Hello and thank you? I already said that I am capable of that. I just don't want to tell my life's history to the first random faggot, is that so weird to you?
>I think you're way too fucking arrogant than you have any right to be.
I'm arrogant because you're arrogant, you don't try to understand someone else's pov, you just give everything for granted, like your experience is the law.
>Probably be a good thing to pay a hooker at this point, get it over and done with
I don't give a fuck about having sex per se, if that was the case I would've done it long time ago. I thought it was clear
>Nobody said for you to larp to fuck. The point of larping is to make communication clearer/smoother so that you get what you want. If all you want is to fuck, then that's your own skill issue at picking goals
Normaloids talk constantly about sex or their bodily functions like "what did you eat for dinner". They're vulgar, almost obscene creatures. I'm not the one choosing their retarded talking points, sorry

>>34380326
Continuation:
>A shy girl is a rare gem, not mediocre
It means she has a shred of self respect left inside her
>>34380326
>They're vulgar, almost obscene creatures. I'm not the one choosing their retarded talking points, sorry
If your suggestion to approach girls is to imitate them, you'd definitely have to act sexual, since we live in a sex obsessed boomer society. It was the point since the beginning of this thread: you don't have an honourable way of approach anymore, everyone has to be a fucking creep (and that's why only chads are successfull)

>>34380284
Anyway, let's leave all the ideological stuff apart and suppose we're on the same boat about your analysis: how the fuck some isolated faggot sperg can "go and practice brute forcing the larp" if he's ISOLATED? Just go outside and start talking to people like an asylum dodger? Probably in the USA it's ok to do that, but in Europe literally only lonely old people or insane mental people start a conversation out of the blue with strangers. Maybe that's why we can't understand each other, our environments are completely different

>>34380326
Here we go again false dichotomy of foids either being uwu shy or turbo sluts

No that's not projection, I'm not the one who's pedestalizing the shy oblivious innocent archetype

>shyness
>dignified
Lmao calling being socially anxious and constantly repressed as a "dignified" way of being. Notice you didn't use the word "quiet", you simply defaulted to the word "shy". Those are two entirely different things. Someone who's shy is actively restraining themselves, someone who's quiet just doesn't give a fuck in the first place. I'm not even "extrovert", I've been more introverted and schizoid than pretty much anyone on this planet. But even I know that these labels are just fraudshit and a true advanced human is capable of shapeshifting into whatever helps them achieve their ambitions

>I just don't want to tell my life's history to the first random faggot, is that so weird to you?
It's definitely suspicious, you're clearly very ashamed of it if you are that defensive over sharing minute details about yourself to other people

>I'm arrogant because you're arrogant
And I'm arrogant because I'm better than you. Simples. Whereas you have no reason to be arrogant.

>I don't give a fuck about having sex per se
>Normaloids talk constantly about sex or their bodily functions like "what did you eat for dinner". They're vulgar, almost obscene creatures.
You clearly give a huge fuck about it if it triggers you that much

>self respect left inside her
And you have self respect? You can't even talk about yourself to other people without massive paranoia over coming off as a "creep" or "weirdo" or whatever stupidity you box yourself as
And no, shy girls often have no self respect which leads to whoring out later. Person with self respect is the balanced one who isn't either or

>>34380326
>you'd definitely have to act sexual
No? You can just talk to them like a person with their own unique life and learn about them as you'd learn everyone else, why the fuck has everything have to be sexualised with you? If it turns sexual then cool, if not then also cool, why does it matter so much to you? Are you trying to fuck or are you trying to actively avoid fucking? Just stop thinking about fucking for one second you fucking sex obsessed mf

>>34380372
That's an option but indeed that's more of a hard mode option. You can find events or go to places where random casual chit chat is more expected. Just your average "meet new people" options like nightlife concerts art sports classes volunteering yadda yadda just anywhere with a bunch of people where you're allowed in (maybe some common activity), and people aren't all occupied by their existing peers (you can still interrupt occupied people but it'll be lower success rate than some lone person). But you have to think of some shit. Like hobbies or shit you might be interested yadda or would like to try out and yadda. Just maximising chances of encountering randoes.

>>34372640
She's not a sled bro

>>34380384
>I'm not the one who's pedestalizing the shy oblivious innocent archetype
Of course you're not, you're a fucking normie who loves this fluid shit society
>Lmao calling being socially anxious and constantly repressed as a "dignified" way of being.
Spoiler: EVERYONE has animal impulses. Restraining them is literally dignification, whike indulgi g in them with 0 filters is bonobo.
>Notice you didn't use the word "quiet", you simply defaulted to the word "shy". Those are two entirely different things. Someone who's shy is actively restraining themselves, someone who's quiet just doesn't give a fuck in the first place.
Shyness is often a shield quiet peopke use to avoid faggots like you
>a true advanced human is capable of shapeshifting into whatever helps them achieve their ambitions
Are you jewish? You sound jewish as fuck, answer honestly please
>It's definitely suspicious, you're clearly very ashamed of it if you are that defensive over sharing minute details about yourself to other people
I just don't want to share my business, but of course you can't grasp a different pov, since you're clearluly a low IQ normie who can't into hypotheticals.
>And I'm arrogant because I'm better than you.
Lmao, nice self own, mr big stuff. Fuck off, you're wasting your time on 4chin, you're shit as much as I am, faggot
>You clearly give a huge fuck about it if it triggers you that much
I give a huge fuck about not being a beast. My main goal isn't fucking, otherwise a paid hooker would've solved the problem with 0 problems. It's basic logic retard
>And you have self respect? You can't even talk about yourself to other people without massive paranoia over coming off as a "creep" or "weirdo" or whatever stupidity you box yourself as
Trying to look decent is the definition of self respect. Are you completely dense?
>And no, shy girls often have no self respect which leads to whoring out later.
Lmao, wtf did you even smoke? Shy girls are 99% just shy, not daddy issues sluts

>>34380387
>with their own unique life
What if my life isn't interesting because it's quiet and I like it that way? For your shit to work you need to be a turbo normie or larp as one all the time (which is the opposite of dignified btw). If you're really a schizoid and you larp 24/7 I pity you, what a miserable existence

>>34380413
Isn't she? Are you sure anon?

>>34380397
Everyone talks about these fabulous hobbies and shieet, but I really can't think of anything where girls would be involved in with no boyfriend or group of friends. You simply don't see lone girls around, except when they're at work or doing their errands

>>34380415
>Spoiler: EVERYONE has animal impulses. Restraining them is literally dignification, whike indulgi g in them with 0 filters is bonobo.
I disagree. Mastering them is the dignified way, not repressing then eventually exploding like some binge eating anorexic

>Shyness is often a shield quiet peopke use to avoid faggots like you
Lmao got it the wrong way around. Quietness is a shield shy people use to avoid embarrassing themselves. Quiet people don't need shields. They don't give a fuck.

I'm not Jewish, I just find these labels retarded and arbitrary. Humans can adapt and learn, they're not rigid retards incapable of change

>low IQ normie who can't into hypotheticals.
You're the low IQ who can't seem to fathom that the risk of sharing a bit of yourself can come with a larger reward of connection and clarity about yourself and your situation and the world at large. Your brain is the size of your balls, non-existent

>you're wasting your time on 4chin, you're shit as much as I am, faggot
Yeah cuz I'm providing my view on various topics and issues? I'm not the one on 4chan ranting about boohoo my star crossed lover because I have no friends or family I could've just talked with about my little girl issues

>I give a huge fuck about not being a beast
Are you religious? Answer honestly please??! Jk, but newsflash, you're a fucking animal just like the rest of us, standing on a flying rock hurtling through space. You're not fucking special

>>34380415
>Trying to look decent is the definition of self respect. Are you completely dense?
A self respecting person would not give a fuck about being labelled as a creep or a weirdo. They'd have enough social tact to not have that happen in the first place, and even if it did happen, they would not give a fuck because some randoms making irrational blasphemous slanderous accusations does not define their image of themselves. "Trying" to "look" decent is not the definition of self respect, being decent is. "Trying" to "look" the part is the opposite, it denotes a lack of self respect and a seeking of external validation through appearance and deceit.

>Lmao, wtf did you even smoke? Shy girls are 99% just shy, not daddy issues sluts
You do realise that in majority of cases, shyness is caused by low self esteem? And you do realise that in majority of sluts, they whore out because of low self esteem? It's not just le daddy issues, that's just one tiny subset of a much larger cohort

>>34380418
I'm not "really" schizoid cuz I already said these labels are fraudshit anyway. Like yes, I could fit the criteria of schizoid to a tee, but that doesn't mean shit. And no I don't larp 24/7, I play different personas according to who I'm interacting with, if I interact with an asshole then I return the vitriol, if I interact with a humble person then I treat them respectfully. Is that larping? No, I'm staying true to myself. Is it acting? Yes, because I play a different character according to the audience.

>>34380418
Then find another boring cunt who doesn't care that you're boring. If you're so boring, then your pool is narrowed

>>34380440
Stop thinking about the girls. Just do what actually interests you. Talk to a wider range of people. Narrow down later.

>>34380451
>repressing then eventually exploding like some binge eating anorexic
Ok Aleister Crowley, I bet you master your rage and kill someone sometimes instead of repressing the killer instinct, right?
>Lmao got it the wrong way around. Quietness is a shield shy people use to avoid embarrassing themselves. Quiet people don't need shields. They don't give a fuck.
So for you quiet= apathetic. Typical extrovert supposition
>Humans can adapt and learn, they're not rigid retards incapable of change
To some extent. But you can't change your nature completely
>the risk of sharing a bit of yourself can come with a larger reward of connection and clarity about yourself and your situation and the world at large
Oh yeah, I'm sure that if I share private shit with a random faggot who can use it against me I'm going to get rewarded with some clarvoyancy... ffs
>Yeah cuz I'm providing my view on various topics and issues?
Yeah? You're talking to a retard whith bohoo issues and wasting you time. Loser
>are you religious? Answer honestly please??!
No, I'm not, actually. I just hate people who consider themselves animals. Go back to the jungle nigger
>Jk, but newsflash, you're a fucking animal just like the rest of us, standing on a flying rock hurtling through space. You're not fucking special
The redditiest post ever seen award goes to...

>>34380472
>it denotes a lack of self respect and a seeking of external validation through appearance and deceit.
So we are animals, but we also don't have to blick our lower instincts because they're magically non-exhistent... you sound confused
>shyness is caused by low self esteem?
Yeah, I'm sure that good looking girls eith probably hundreds of simps have low self esteem... lmao
>I play different personas according to who I'm interacting with
So you're just a mirror with no spine nor character, got it
>Then find another boring cunt who doesn't care that you're boring. If you're so boring, then your pool is narrowed
Yeah, sorry, I'm not into normie bullshit like going to the restaurant, the disco, soulless trips to post them on social media or whatever shit they do to waste their miserable lives

>>34380451
>I'm not the one on 4chan ranting about boohoo my star crossed lover because I have no friends or family I could've just talked with about my little girl issues
You're the one who needs to flex how much of a normie he is for negative validation. That's even more pathetic btw. If you did not realize it, you're not giving a single advice, just describing how cool your way of acting is (in your opinion)

>>34380932
No, you master it so you no longer have the urge to kill because you've transmuted it to something constructive or just completely removed it from figuring it all out so it no longer interests you as much as it did initially when you had deprivation curiosity

>quiet= apathetic
Pretty much? Either that or you're actively repressing something cuz ur too le embarrassed!!1! To exist. Or you're undertaking activities that do not actually require sound such as reading or observing or whatever.

>To some extent. But you can't change your nature completely
To what extent, then?

>Oh yeah, I'm sure that if I share private shit with a random faggot who can use it against me I'm going to get rewarded with some clarvoyancy... ffs
Again with the paranoia lmao. Do you think people give a fuck about you enough to bother using your trivial boring ass life details against you? At most they'll laugh at it then move on with their own lives.

>Yeah? You're talking to a retard whith bohoo issues and wasting you time. Loser
Still better than the actual loser LMAO

>I just hate people who consider themselves animals.
Because that's what we are? What are you, a fucking vegetable? An amoeba? Better Reddit than completely off the mark

>>34380950
>So we are animals, but we also don't have to blick our lower instincts because they're magically non-exhistent... you sound confused
You sound confused, because whatever you quoted has nothing to do with what you wrote. Animals have the capacity to master things too. Mastery, restraint, pursuit, knowing when to take an opportunity and when to back away, it's all part of nature. Rather than ascribing things to being animalistic or not, ascribe it to being constructive or remarkable or impressive or not. Neither the turboslut nor the too repressed to have tried anything are worthy of praise

>Yeah, I'm sure that good looking girls eith probably hundreds of simps have low self esteem... lmao
? You'd be surprised. Those types are probably the ones most prone to low self esteem cuz it's tied to superficial ephemeral and shallow things ie being whatever trendshit or fitting whatever retarded beauty standard of the month is hyped

>So you're just a mirror with no spine nor character, got it
If anything I'm the only person with a spine by treating people exactly how they deserve rather than putting a fake smile towards every single person my way as if every human is the exact same indistinguishable thing with no variation. I actually judge people's character and act accordingly rather than turning my brain off and bending over backwards for every single person without discriminating

>Yeah, sorry, I'm not into normie bullshit like going to the restaurant, the disco, soulless trips to post them on social media or whatever shit they do to waste their miserable lives
Yeah but you're boring so go find another boring person who doesn't care how boring you are because they're equally boring. Nobody implied participating in any social media shit

>>34380955
>You're the one who needs to flex how much of a normie he is for negative validation
I'm not even flexing, I'm telling it how it is but you interpret it as flexing because you're so far below my level you can't fathom that there are people who actually tried shit in their life and got results instead of just laying in your stagnant carcass pool of inaction and bigotry

>>34380975
>No, you master it so you no longer have the urge to kill because you've transmuted it to something constructive or just completely removed it from figuring it all out so it no longer interests you as much as it did initially when you had deprivation curiosity
So you just hit the nidvana and you don't have any animal urge deep down your heart, which you stop before acting on them? Good for you, but people normally feel rage, hunger, sexual impulses... and if they're slightly civilized they keep them to themselves, repressing the animal within you, you know
>Pretty much? Either that or you're actively repressing something cuz ur too le embarrassed!!1! To exist. Or you're undertaking activities that do not actually require sound such as reading or observing or whatever.
See how much of a turbo extrovert you are? You think that if someone isn't acting IN the world, he's apathetic. Meanwhile the quiet introverts have internal universes you can't even imagine
>To what extent, then?
You can force yourself to talk with people, but you'll always feel it like a fucking energy draining jail sentence. You can't change how your brain is interwired, or we could just cure autism by "brute forcing people to talk"
>Again with the paranoia lmao. Do you think people give a fuck about you enough to bother using your trivial boring ass life details against you? At most they'll laugh at it then move on with their own lives.
Anon, as an actual introvert, I'm quite the observer, rather than an actor. And I see people making fun, backstabbing, gossiping and judging other clueless people all the fucking time. Ignoring that and believing you're superior and pretending that you don't care of the consensus in which you live isn't very savy. You exist because someone sees you, you know?
>Still better than the actual loser LMAO
See? You're here for negative validation, like an attention whore

>>34380975
>Because that's what we are?
Men. We have animal impulses, but most importantly we have reason and logic to control them
>>34380996
>Animals have the capacity to master things too.
Animals don't have a filter, they're pure instinct. You can educate them by bending that instinct, but they're not rational. That's why they're animals, and we aren't
>>34380996
>Those types
I'm not talking about an artificial "beauty"
>>34380999
I'm interpreting it as flexing because you came here with no intention to understand a different pov, you just gave for granted that anyone can act like you and they just need to grow some balls. You're an absolute nigger

>>34381015
Did you ignore that you can transmute it to something constructive? All those emotions actually indicate a life issue and should be addressed rather than just ignored and repressed. Anger is often a reaction to injustice, so what are you gonna do, fix the injustice or just suppress it and let the injustice continue?

>Meanwhile the quiet introverts have internal universes you can't even imagine
Give me a fucking break. Again, did you ignore the part where I said they can be engaged in activities that don't require sound, like observing and reading? And yeah I wouldn't want to see your internal universe, it probably consists of your dick in your right hand gooning everyday because you can't form an actual meaningful relationship with another human

>we could just cure autism by "brute forcing people to talk
You know you can steer conversations into topics that interest you? You know you can select who to talk to? You're not forced to only talk to one singular entity that is some turbo extrovert party animal sex maniac. And actually, yes, you can "cure" autism and rewire your underdeveloped brain segments, eventually reaching a point where talking and making conversation is effortless and ez. When you reach it, it actually becomes more boring and you reserve interactions to what actually furthers your ambitions or actually interests you rather than random indiscriminate talking to everyone

>>34381015
>I'm quite the observer, rather than an actor. And I see people making fun, backstabbing, gossiping and judging other clueless people all the fucking time. Ignoring that and believing you're superior and pretending that you don't care of the consensus in which you live isn't very savy. You exist because someone sees you, you know?
Why would you care what those brain-dead masses think? If they operate on a lower level, gossiping and making irrational judgements about other people, why does their opinion matter so much to you? The superior way is to be both observing and acting, not just one or the other. One is a useless brain without a body to make things happen. The other is a useless body with no brain to steer it.

>See? You're here for negative validation, like an attention whore
No, I'm here to point out every bit of retardation that you conform to

>>34381033
>Men. We have animal impulses, but most importantly we have reason and logic to control them
And what about women? And you think other animals don't use logic and reason to navigate the complex and harsh environments they're trying to survive in?

>Animals don't have a filter, they're pure instinct. You can educate them by bending that instinct, but they're not rational. That's why they're animals, and we aren't
Humans are plenty irrational, that's why the entire field of economics falters
So animals can be educated and their instinct bent, but they're also pure instinct? Make up your mind

>I'm not talking about an artificial "beauty
Ok so you're talking about some sort of 0.000001% beauty that rarely even exists in the population so is pretty much irrelevant to compare yourself to. 99% of bitches these days are "artificially" beautiful

>I'm interpreting it as flexing because you came here with no intention to understand a different pov, you just gave for granted that anyone can act like you and they just need to grow some balls.
No, I understand comprehensively your POV, and am critiquing it as deserved. If you just came here to commiserate with other losers and crabs, >>r9k is that way

>>34381064
>>>r9k
Bro how do you quote a board again, haven't seen it in ages

>>34381069
>>>/r9k/

>>34381051
>Anger is often a reaction to injustice, so what are you gonna do, fix the injustice or just suppress it and let the injustice continue?
You act on it after you suppressed the instinct tho. You already stopped the killing spree if you're acting on the injustice
>Again, did you ignore the part where I said they can be engaged in activities that don't require sound, like observing and reading?
Yeah, that's what I do, and they're not activities you can start a normie conversation on... "hey normie friend, I was just observing the patterns of this material world yesterday, what's your take on it?" Nice weirdo convo
>You know you can steer conversations into topics that interest you?
No you can't if you're talking with a normie
>You know you can select who to talk to?
Lmao, so I have to FIND THEM before, and that's the whole point. Introverts are isolated, they don't interact with each other unless a statistical miracle happens
>You're not forced to only talk to one singular entity that is some turbo extrovert party animal sex maniac.
99% of people are like that, you're basically forced to
>And actually, yes, you can "cure" autism and rewire your underdeveloped brain segments
Lmao, go tell that to psychiatrists, they didn't figure it out yet
>>34381052
>Why would you care what those brain-dead masses think?
Because I'm not a fucking demi God walking amongst them, I live in a context and I have to adapt to it. Doing le quirky weirdo who doesn't give a fuck is surely cool until you realize that everyone considers you a clown and you'll hace to deal with it now or later
>>34381052
>No, I'm here to point out every bit of retardation that you conform to
At least you're bumping, I concede you that

>>34381064
>And what about women?
By Men I meant the human race, and even women are capable of rational thonking even if they often ignore it.
>And you think other animals don't use logic and reason to navigate the complex and harsh environments they're trying to survive in?
No they don't, they don't have reason, it's in the definition of animal
>Humans are plenty irrational, that's why the entire field of economics falters
Bevause humans have both sides. But what makes us humans is reason, and that side should prevail if you want to be called a Man
>So animals can be educated and their instinct bent, but they're also pure instinct?
Ehm, yes? When you give a dog a pavlovian reflex it's not logically thinking about what he's doing. He just learned that with that behaviour he'll get food, which is all it matters to it
>Ok so you're talking about some sort of 0.000001% beauty that rarely even exists in the population so is pretty much irrelevant to compare yourself to. 99% of bitches these days are "artificially" beautiful
That girl was naturally beautiful, and it's far from being 0,000001%. Physical features that are objectively beautiful exist and are well spread across the population
>No, I understand comprehensively your POV, and am critiquing it as deserved. If you just came here to commiserate with other losers and crabs, >>r9k is that way
You didn't, because you did not say something like "I was in that shit situation myself, and I resolved it by..." you just said "anon, just stop being like that". That's the epitome of bullshit advice I'd expect from some bluepilled faggot on reddit or at the pub

>>34381089
You're still angry tho? Just in a controlled manner that actually solves the problem rather than makes it worse

>and they're not activities you can start a normie conversation on
Actually you can and those would be good convos likely

>unless a statistical miracle happens
Or you can just propel your ass to a place where other humans mingle and turn that statistical impossibility into a guarantee?

>99% of people are like that
How would you know what 99% of people are like if you're isolated and have zero interface with the outside world

>psychiatrists
Yeah cuz they operate under backwards ass outdated principles and exist to give people the legal ok to drug their brains

>everyone considers you a clown and you'll hace to deal with it now or later
Yes and? Why do you care what they think if they're all lower humans anyway? You live on the same soil as ants, do you care about what ants think of you?

Btw, I asked about how do I stop to feel that way and if it's possible to, since I never felt something that overwhelming and I don't know how to manage this shit. I didn't ask how to change my whole nature to become a master in normie conversation techniques

>>34381125
>You're still angry tho? Just in a controlled manner that actually solves the problem rather than makes it worse
I never said that you make the sexual desire disappear tho. I said you keep it for yourself until you're in the correct scenario, unlike fucking normies who can't stop showing how everything is about sex, soiling even higher feelings lime the ones I felt for that girl. As I said it wasn't just lust, I actually feel genuine affection for her, which is very rare in my experience
>Actually you can and those would be good convos likely
They won't be normie in that case, which means you spotted one of those 0,1%s
>Or you can just propel your ass to a place where other humans mingle and turn that statistical impossibility into a guarantee?
By navigating in a ocean of retards, lowering yourself at their levels, and likely never meeting a non normie since they just don't mingle in there, and even if they do, they'll see you acting like a retard to adapt to that context and judge you accordingly
>How would you know what 99% of people are like if you're isolated and have zero interface with the outside world
Because being isolated doesn't mean having 0 interface with the external world. I can be surrounded by people and be alone at the same time. As I said, I observe
>Yeah cuz they operate under backwards ass outdated principles and exist to give people the legal ok to drug their brains
This is the most based take from you, well said. Anyway, you can't change your brain, no matter what. You can learn some tricks, but it will always be forced
>Yes and? Why do you care what they think if they're all lower humans anyway? You live on the same soil as ants, do you care about what ants think of you?
If ants had the ability to turn my life into a hell, of course I would

>>34381106
>No they don't, they don't have reason, it's in the definition of animal
No it's not. The definition of an animal is a living biological organism that functions distinctly from other living biological organisms, that is to say they're living but not like the other categories of organisms like plants bacterial fungi yadda. I.e., animals would be mammals, reptiles amphibians and yadda yadda. Do they operate under logic? Yes. Survive. Reproduce. Avoid pain. Seek pleasure. Just like us, although we are capable of more complex thought due to developments like language and yadda. But on a base level. We are the same.

>Bevause humans have both sides
No, we simply operate under more complex logic. But regardless of complexity, logic remains logic. An animal seeking shelter is an animal performing a logical action. A beaver building a dam is performing a logical action.

>Ehm, yes? When you give a dog a pavlovian reflex it's not logically thinking about what he's doing. He just learned that with that behaviour he'll get food, which is all it matters to it
Are humans not the same?

>Physical features that are objectively beautiful exist and are well spread across the population
They exist but usually they are spread in a scattered way. Rarely does anyone fit where every single one of their physical features are beautiful. Usually people have some beautiful and some ugly features mixed together.

>"I was in that shit situation myself, and I resolved it by..."
Did I not? I told you how to resolve it and you simply countered with all sorts of excuses to do nothing and say nothing and continue being a pussy

>>34372640
Glad I don't visit the reddit side of 4 chan

>>34381162
>Do they operate under logic?
The whole universe follows logic rules, even the planets. That doesn't mean they understand logic. They don't have reason, they just follow patterns. We are the only ones able to recognise those patterns and even create new ones
>Are humans not the same?
No, not really. We have both the animal side which can be trained that way. But we also have the reason which can break us free
>Usually people have some beautiful and some ugly features mixed together.
Of course, nobody is perfect. But when you look at the big picture you can immediately spot the % of ugly and beautiful traits, and you perceive the person as either beautiful, mid or ugly
>>34381163
Which isn't this one apparently, since you're here, faggot

>>34381152
Sure, you keep it for yourself until you're in the correct scenario. For other people, their "correct scenario" is different from yours. It shouldn't trigger you this hard since you can continue your method and they can do theirs. You find opportunities to enter your correct scenarios and they find opportunities for theirs.

>They won't be normie in that case, which means you spotted one of those 0,1%s
No, you can actually talk to anyone about it. If they don't continue along, then either your communication wasn't effective enough (so you adjust for next time), or they were a genuine asshole retard and you can dismiss them

>acting like a retard to adapt to that context and judge you accordingly
Who says you have to act like a retard? You should act in whatever way furthers your goals. If you want to know someone more, you talk to them. Is that acting like a retard? Maybe for you since you're utterly underdeveloped in the field, but better to temporarily be a retard then improve for next time than stay a permanent retard who never tries hence has no chance of improving in communicating.

>Because being isolated doesn't mean having 0 interface with the external world. I can be surrounded by people and be alone at the same time. As I said, I observe
Oh what, now isolated means being surrounding by people! Maybe differentiate between actual isolation and just "feeling" isolated. If you "feel" isolated, change the environment. Engage with the environment. Etc. don't just stand there like a stuck retard. Share some of your observations, test the waters

>you can't change your brain
Neuroplasticity? Yes you can. Otherwise how do you learn to tie your shoelaces or learn languages. Every single thing, every moment, every delta changes your brain. To what degree, is variable, but nevertheless change happened

>>34381152
>turn my life into a hell
What's this hell you're so paranoid of? Someone calling you a creep? Shouldn't let it bother you if their opinion is irrational anyway. Call em an ugly bitch and move on to the next human.

>>34381162
>Did I not? I told you how to resolve it and you simply countered with all sorts of excuses to do nothing and say nothing and continue being a pussy
No you didn't. You can't realate for shit, you acted smug since the beginning, and you just repeated the old "just go outside bro" trope, with zero suggestions on how to break the isolation except "talk to random people" wich is obviously not working since I'm still like this. I told you I'm not an hikkikomori, which could solve his problem by slow exposition to the world. I just don't know how to relate to normies, I already tried in the past, and it didn't work, because my nature is repulsed by that way of acting

>>34381127
Yeah well the answer to that is to change your whole nature and put yourself out there more i.e. converse with "normies" or whoever is out there normie or not. You're only in this pickle because you're so constricted as a human in the first place

>>34381194
>What's this hell you're so paranoid of?
Everyone laughing at your back and considering you a weirdo. Or worse, everyone calling you "that weird sicko who hits on the girls at work", with your notorious fame attached to you like a label forever unless you leave your environment for a conoletely new one. If I was a multi billionaire I won't give a fuck, but since I'm living in a system, I have to be careful not to fuck up

>>34381186
Did Pavlov's dogs not recognise patterns? Do mice not create new patterns when they navigate through mazes? We only differ because we have opposable thumbs that allowed us to create tools, and particular tongue to create sounds for language.

>big picture you can immediately spot the % of ugly and beautiful traits, and you perceive the person as either beautiful, mid or ugly
Sure. And majority are mid

>>34381196
>repeated the old "just go outside bro" trope
It's repeated because you refuse to engage in such a simple task. It's astounding the excuses you make just to not get up your ass and do literally anything

The world's a big place. If one place isn't working, try another.

>>34381209
Who cares. Their opinion is lowly and irrational, so what they consider shouldn't concern you. If it's about work, then don't do it in a work setting, or change work. That bitch doesn't even work there anymore, you could've gotten her contact or something before she left, give a parting gift, befriended her and made a closer connection to her during it, but did you? No.

>>34381192
>You find opportunities to enter your correct scenarios
I don't, because their correct scenarios are now the norm, and my correct scenarios are seen as outdated or even weird. So you either adapt to their shit or avoid it completely
>>34381192
>better to temporarily be a retard then improve for next time than stay a permanent retard who never tries hence has no chance of improving in communicating
The fact is that I never noticed any improvement. And when I try it's just energy draining with 0 results. It doesn't come natural. I guess you can adapt to being raped aswell, but are you going to enjoy it? I doubt it, and if every time it must be a torture with 0 results, why sould I even force myself?
>If you "feel" isolated
There's no fucking difference. Actually, mental isolation is way worse than physical isolation
>>34381192
>To what degree, is variable, but nevertheless change happened
Yes the problem is the degree. My degree isn't acceptable for what I saw, just very expensive
>>34381202
How is the feeling I described linked to being a sperg? That's its opposite actually, since I wasn't even aware of the existence of that before. If anything it's a breach into my sperg nature

>>34381214
>We only differ because we have opposable thumbs that allowed us to create tools, and particular tongue to create sounds for language.
They don't create patterns consciously. Rational beings actually plan to do shit, and control themselves. Amimals just act like they're blind until they randomly find a pattern, and the only thing that saves them from dying brutally in the process is the instinct, not a rational evaluation
>Sure. And majority are mid
We were talking about beautiful ones tho, and they definitely have feedbacks, even if they're not acting on them. Ffs that girl most likely noticed how I was raptured by her, imagine feeling that all your life and still have a self esteem issue

>>34381231
>The world's a big place. If one place isn't working, try another.
Very wandering jew take, like if someone could leave everything behind and start form 0 just because he feels it... and to go where? The world is like that everywhere if you avoid the third world
>but did you? No.
I actually tried. Was it enough? Of course not. Could I push it further? Maybe, but at a very high risk. I already "brute forced" myself into some actions that soemeone like you would find easy and trivial, but for me they required some guts. And assuming she had stayed close to me for more than that month, having to live with this feeling burning inside me while she was right there in front of me, I can't rule out that I would have eventually gone even further.

>>34381162
>I told you how to resolve it
Can I ask you at what age you started to unblock yourself (if you were so, since you say you understand my situation)? I bet you were already fucking girls in high school

>>34381243
>I guess you can adapt to being raped aswell, but are you going to enjoy it?
Easily. You'd probably just get bored of it (as long as it's not physically injurious)

>There's no fucking difference
Yes there is. That's why the prescribed solution to physical isolated is to actually just go outside. Whereas the prescribed solution to "feeling" isolated is different and more complex.

>How is the feeling I described linked to being a sperg
Actually it's a classic thing of spergs. Look at Chris Chan and his "love quest". They take it way too far. Obsessive, limerence, yadda. Another example is Celeste Manno stalker. It's a very sperg thing.

>their correct scenarios are now the norm, and my correct scenarios are seen as outdated or even weird. So you either adapt to their shit or avoid it completely
I don't think you've ever tried your "method". You've just assumed it's a failure and never tried

>Rational beings actually plan to do shit, and control themselves.
So do ant colonies and yadda. And many humans don't do those things either. So it's not an animal thing or not. It's just a, you do this thing, or you don't.

>We were talking about beautiful ones tho, and they definitely have feedbacks, even if they're not acting on them. Ffs that girl most likely noticed how I was raptured by her, imagine feeling that all your life and still have a self esteem issue
Ok, and they're rarer so they're less relevant (and probably way out of your league anyway) and yes some have self esteem issues, not every single one of them is in an identical situation. Some don't, some do, it's case by case just like everything else

>Very wandering jew take, like if someone could leave everything behind and start form 0 just because he feels it... and to go where?
What's with you and Jews. Go anywhere. Didn't like a workplace? Find a new one. Don't like this club? Go to another one. Didn't like this person? Try a new one.

>I actually tried. Was it enough? Of course not.
So do more

>>34381311
It's a gradual process with many spikes but I'd say I'm mostly unblocked now which would be mid 20's

>>34381341
>Easily
Lmao, no, you're not. You'll end up with trauma at best
>>34381341
>Whereas the prescribed solution to "feeling" isolated is different and more complex
Yes, that's why I said it's even worse. But when I described my experience it was pretty clear that I wasn't a complete hikikomori, since I met her at work, which is already a step towards not being completely isolated.
>It's a very sperg thing
You're right on the ocd-like aspect of it, not going to argue on that. But the ability to feel such an intense "thing" for a random girl is already a surprise to me, I legitimately thought I wasn't made for it. It took 30+ years to feel it, that surely tells a lot
>your "method"
That's because I don't have a method, I just found the older schemes very clear and relatable, unlike the current improv shit
>So do ant colonies
Ant colonies don't plan how to build their anthill, they just do it because they're wired to do so
>they're rarer so they're less relevant (and probably way out of your league anyway
She was rare, that's why I'm obsessed duh
>What's with you and Jews
Don't get me started
>Go anywhere. Didn't like a workplace? Find a new one. Don't like this club? Go to another one. Didn't like this person? Try a new one.
>So do more
I fucking hate how you just make it look like it's all so easy and everything's reduced to "just do it" . It's not, fuck your banalisation of reality

>>34381344
So you never experienced anything like me, and can't understand how it's like to feel detached from this shit world

>>34381386
No. Maybe for some weaklings, but others get over it ez. Rape is one of the most misunderstood and skewed concepts of current day. Many rapes are nothingburgers, or just used as retaliation or weaponized without actual severity. Prostitutes are essentially raped everyday and they don't care. It's just sex. But people attach all these arbitrary meanings and make it a huge thing. Only rapes that I'd consider severe traumatically are ones that actually cause physical injury, like anal rape for instance (or ones that threaten physical safety). Everything else? Memes (still criminal for the perpetrator but the over-victimisation of the victim is not needed)

>But when I described my experience it was pretty clear that I wasn't a complete hikikomori, since I met her at work, which is already a step towards not being completely isolated
Yes but your experience is very narrow. Obviously first step is to go outside. I didn't say that cures everything. That's only the start. Your experience is just go to mandatory income centre and see the same 5 people then go back home.

>That's because I don't have a method, I just found the older schemes very clear and relatable, unlike the current improv shit
What, arranged marriage? Nobody's gonna hand you a gf in the past either. You'd still have to make moves, or just wait for your parents to assign you a wife in which you have no selection.

>Ant colonies don't plan how to build their anthill, they just do it because they're wired to do so
Sure but they are controlling themselves into some sort of formation or hierarchy that is building something. Animals still plan things. By "plan" you mean do X for future Y, the act of building a dam to provide sustained shelter for yourself is a plan executed. They just don't have as many tools as us to make as complex plans, because they can't use pen and paper to prolong ideas. Doesn't mean they don't have the ability entirely. They are just limited in complexity by those bottlenecks

>>34381386
>She was rare, that's why I'm obsessed duh
If she was that rare then you can forget it cuz she's way out of your league. You have nothing to offer her in return for her rare qualities

>I fucking hate how you just make it look like it's all so easy and everything's reduced to "just do it"
If you refuse to do the first fucking step then that's all you're gonna get, the first fucking step, whether you like it or not. Once you've actually done shit then we can discuss something with more substance

>>34381391
Which is? What did you experience that is so mystical and otherworldly and so impossible to understand? You sound just like every second other sperg on here. And every second retarded gen alpha Zoomer is a detached cunt more interested in their screenshit than the actual world around them. It's only getting more and more common to be like you

>>34381574
>It's just sex.
Penetration is always a big deal, that's why women normally are more selective than men, and feeling a disgusting rapist forcing himself on you must be though even if he's not doing physical damages. Imagine if a faggot forced you to put his dick in your mouth. No physical harm, but you must be sure you're not going to like it. If you're raped constantly (like in jail) your brain will shut to endure it, but it will never be your natural inclination
>Your experience is just go to mandatory income centre and see the same 5 people then go back home.
It is now, but even when I did something more, the effect was the fucking same. I just can't stand the lack of formality everyone expects fron everyone nowadays
>arranged marriage
Of course not. Courtship (and actually every other social thing) was very clearly ritualized. As I said, 100 years ago I could've asked the girl directly if she wanted to be my fiance and it would've been perfectly safe and even expected to do so. Now you don't know how to fucking behave because boomers went the groovy path and ruined the world
>they are controlling themselves
They follow chemical trails. It's not like the Queen Ant is giving orders to the soldiers and the workers to reign over them, it's just an automatic thing they do. Humans on the other hand, have full control over their actions, and completely untied to instinct. We can do something against instinct, and we actually do it all the time, which animals can't. Not raping the girl we like at sight or killing who we find unlikeable are great examples of that, and we achieve it by suppressing the instinct. The self conscious rational mind is the real divide between us and animals

>>34381602
>You have nothing to offer her in return for her rare qualities
Nice destructive, low self esteem bias. She was rare for my tastes. There are lots of beautiful girls lime her that I don't find half interesting since they don't have that character. Even you just said that shy girls are underdeveloped trash, so it's pretty clear that you won't have liked her as much as I did.
>What did you experience that is so mystical and otherworldly and so impossible to understand?
Maybe the fact that I wasn't able to adapt to normies like you during your early years? If you're not stuck you can't understand how it feels. It's like someone telling a claustrophobe that he can just breathe air and that he's retarded because he's panicking for nothing
>It's only getting more and more common to be like you
Yes, I always related more to zoomers rather than millennials even if I'm technically a "cuspid". I guess we're the symptom of the sick society we were forced to live in. Boomers had their fun with the sexual revolution and now Nature is asking for the toll, and it's coming in the form of mental illness and Hitler fanboys

>>34381640
>Penetration is always a big deal
Not really. Hookers even deny kissing and the more "romantic" aspects but penetration is just regular business. Sure it'd be unsavoury but nothing "traumatic" and perma-victim tier, just like you are a perma-victim of everything including yourself. And after a while it'd get boring. Not to mention rape fantasies and all that, where plenty actually DO enjoy rape, when all it is is sex without "explicit consent". Jail rape is different because it implies anal penetration which is almost always physically injurious.

>even when I did something more, the effect was the fucking same.
Really? So nobody screamed rapist creep pedo weirdo loser??! It was just... The same?! So your paranoid fearntasies... Were just that, fantasies and not reality

>I could've asked the girl directly if she wanted to be my fiance and it would've been perfectly safe and even expected to do so
And she could just say no? What makes you think she'd suddenly say yes under those variables and not these ones? She'd probably be taken by someone else way earlier if that was the case (someone with more balls and socially savvy). Hierarchies still exist in the old days and I don't see how you'd suddenly be higher up in it. You'd probably just get into a semi-arranged marriage with some other with similar family circumstances which is how your parents and grandparents probably got together. 100 years ago you're probably dead from war

>>34381640
>Humans on the other hand, have full control over their actions, and completely untied to instinct.
I'd argue it's all still instinct, as we're still following what we're brainwashed to believe is the correct action. Just like an animal believes a particular action is correct in the moment. We just have more layers due to social developments from language and etc. Even if it's just "chemical", the chemical reaction still maps to some real phenomena (just like the "chemical imbalance" in the brain still maps to some real circumstances and doesn't just spawn out of nowhere. There's still cause and effect). For humans it's just more complex. But complexity doesn't mean correctness, Occam's razor. Some of the developments we've made are retarded and unnecessary and outright wrong. It would do us good to step back a bit and learn from nature.

>I could've asked the girl directly if she wanted to be my fiance and it would've been perfectly safe and even expected to do so
You can still do this. It would just likely be unsuccessful because they have more options and expectations like probably wanting to know you deeper and not just asking someone for marriage after 1 month of barely knowing them

>Even you just said that shy girls are underdeveloped trash, so it's pretty clear that you won't have liked her as much as I d
I'm saying they are temporarily shy, so your massive fantasies surrounding them are not grounded in reality and are more grounded in your own inadequacies and wish for an easy solution to your inherent deeper inability to connect with other humans. Two shy people would be even worse, bc neither of you could carry the conversation. Obviously that's not every case, there are times where two shy people support each other in getting better, but oftentimes zero plus zero is just more zero, more dead weight. Not everything is the sunshine and rainbow fantasies that you are spinning out of your own desperate need for a solution to your social ineptitude

>>34381674
What do early years have to do with anything? I'm unblocked in my mid 20's, is that "early years"? That's like a decade after teenage years where all this shit starts happening. And at least I fucking unblocked, again many never even make it. They just stay retarded pussies who don't try and test all their retarded assumptions out and challenge all preconceived notions

>I always related more to zoomers rather than millennials
Yes so you can't use the excuse of le normies reeee!!1! When you're basically the lowest common denominator these days. If you actually put yourself in more situations you'd learn this, that actually you're the norm now and those sex party animal maniacs live fast die young are a relic of the past these days

>>34381798
>hookers and rape fantasies
Those actually want to hace sex, it's not forced at all, it's not rape
>So nobody screamed rapist creep pedo weirdo loser
No because even if I attended some stupid normie gathering I didn't behave like them
>And she could just say no?
Of course. I'm not saying she's destined to be my wife anon, it's about the social interactions. Back then you knew how to act, now it's a fucking mine field, and only brainlets with 0 self awarness can happily walk in a minefield. And by 100 years ago I mean the social structure that lasted for millennia, not literally during the war (btw, better be dead in that fucking war that ended the world rather than be a zombie in a zombie clown world, staring at ruins)
>>34381823
>Just like an animal believes a particular action is correct in the moment
An animal doesn't believe anything, that's the point. They just act. They don't have a conscious mind. And how do you explain suicide if it's all instinct? We are above instinct, if we want
>You can still do this
Well, if you want to look like a weirdo go for it I guess. And I'm not talking about instant marriage, but even a simple date back then was a dignified ritual, now everyone assumes you want to fuck. If I asked her out for a walk in the 1900s it would've been a simple request, now it's charged with sexual innuendos and she'd be freaked out. See the difference? I'm not extreme in my requests, I can see how she could easily reject me, and I don't expect to live happily ever after just because I liked her. But current society literally doesn't conceive an honest relationship between humans, it's all a game of predation and animal behaviours. Ffs, those fuckers in the 60s openly said that their goal was to return to monke, and they succeeded. It baffles me you can't see it since it's obvious and you doesn't sound like a complete goyslop drinker

>>34381823
>zero plus zero is just more zero
Idk, I just assume that if two people don't like to be in the middle of people but they still want a partner, the only solution for them is to find another shy person which enjoys a quiet and secluded environment. If I had to rape my soul each weekend to attend some faggot normie shit with my gf I'd kms rather than be with her desu
>>34381856
>actually you're the norm now and those sex party animal maniacs live fast die young are a relic of the past these days
Even if numbers are rising, we're not the norm at all. We're "creep losers weirdo incels". When we'll become a problem so big to be impossible to reduce to that, maybe things will change. But rn we're not the norm and boomer morality still dominates our society. Maybe in 10/20 years we'll see a huge turn back and the world will heal, or maybe we're just headed to extinction, who knows

>>34381909
>Want to have sex
Yeah barely, only if compensated with a high sum of money
And again, the definition is just "no explicit consent", the definition doesn't say "not enjoyed". It is possible for one to not give explicit consent and enjoy themselves.

>No because even if I attended some stupid normie gathering I didn't behave like them
So you just stood there like a retard barely engaging with anyone, can't expect anything to be that different then

>Back then you knew how to act, now it's a fucking mine field
>And by 100 years ago I mean the social structure that lasted for millennia
Right, which is basically get into semi-arranged marriage to pool familial resources whilst slaving away hoping for a better future for your kids

>An animal doesn't believe anything, that's the point. They just act. They don't have a conscious mind. And how do you explain suicide if it's all instinct? We are above instinct, if we want
The animal believes its in danger. Is that not a belief? Of course they have a conscious mind, they perceive and react accordingly like any other being with consciousness. Suicide is just another instinctual reaction, when pain overrides pleasure and the belief there's no alternative. Then the logical solution to end the unending pain is to stop it. If an animal can learn and deviate from the "expected behaviour", then it's not "pure instinct" anymore. What when you desex an animal and they behave differently? Are they still running on pure instinct? And when you train an animal to restrain themselves, like a dog trained to be quieter and to stop barking at randoes through reward (or punishment). Obviously animals are limited but they still fundamentally operate the same as humans. Survive. Follow what's good. Avoid what's bad.

>>34381909
>If I asked her out for a walk in the 1900s it would've been a simple request, now it's charged with sexual innuendos and she'd be freaked out. See the difference?
No? What sexual innuendo is conveyed by asking someone for a walk? You could've just done that but instead you made excuses like ohhhh they're gonna interpret it as me wanting to fuck them! When you clearly don't even want to touch them with a ten foot pole. You're the one who's so mind-raped and sex obsessed you basically turn everything into sexual innuendo when there's none

You are just deathly terrified of rejection and making excuses to avoid it. Instead of just getting it over and done with so you can move onto someone who actually might want a future with you.

>But current society literally doesn't conceive an honest relationship between humans, it's all a game of predation and animal behaviours
And that's been society since the dawn of time. Everything has always been transactional, including marriage. You play the game the best you can so you get some good transactions going. And no, you don't have to be predatory to get a good transaction going. You just have to be actually effective at communication so you actually understand what other people want, and what you want, and you align where possible. And not your retarded ass who just stares at people like they're walls and makes unfounded conclusions based on information limited to what is seen on the surface because he's never actually had a candid conversation with someone

>>34372770
should have shot your shot
you dun goofed
sorry anon :(

>>34381928
Idk, I just assume that if two people don't like to be in the middle of people but they still want a partner, the only solution for them is to find another shy person which enjoys a quiet and secluded environment. If I had to rape my soul each weekend to attend some faggot normie shit with my gf I'd kms rather than be with her desu
Learn to enjoy both. Instead of being a rigid ass inflexible retard. Introversion and extroversion is another one of those psychobabble memes, a false dichotomy. If you don't wanna attend some fag event, you can just communicate and reach an agreement with your gf. She shouldn't be forcing you to go to useless fag events for no purposes other than entertainment or whatever. But she can still go if she wants. Not an issue if your gf and you can communicate effectively

>we're not the norm at all. We're "creep losers weirdo incels"
There's definitely more of you than the live fast die young crew. The majority is probably more balanced type, where they are neither, but if it were just the two extremes, I'd say your extreme is the more common and least remarkable too

>>34381963
>So you just stood there like a retard barely engaging with anyone, can't expect anything to be that different then
Actually I always get positive feedbacks by normies, who find me smart and funny. I just can't get to the intimate part of it. I already told you that I'm not a meme-like fullly disabled sperg
>>34381963
>get into semi-arranged marriage to pool familial resources whilst slaving away hoping for a better future for your kids
Sounds like paradise ngl
>Survive. Follow what's good. Avoid what's bad
Humans don't operate only like that tho. Why do we do useless things? Why do we want to discover how things work? It's not just survival and definitely not instinct. You keep thinking that we're just animals, and it's the most reddit take ever
>>34381980
>What sexual innuendo is conveyed by asking someone for a walk?
Seriously? When you ask a girl out our society tells them since kindergarten that it means "men only want one thing" "men are predators" "men are rapists". Are you fucking blind? We live in this society, it's not an excuse, it's a fact. Boomer society IS sex obsessex. They were all about sex. Have you ever read some 60s marxists theory? They even explained fascism as some sexual repression shit. Those freudian faggots literally believed that even kids are sexually motivated. And now I'm the sex crazed one onluly because I see throught those bastards? Lmao
>And that's been society since the dawn of time.
By predation I don't certainly mean a transaction, but a relationship who's limited at the lowest instincts. Ask a boomer why should I find a gf: to fuck! Ask the same question to people fron the past: to build a family. See? One's a dirty animal, the other is a man. But of cohrse you can't see it, you believe we're the same as a chimp

>>34382000
>If you don't wanna attend some fag event, you can just communicate and reach an agreement with your gf.
Today being social is what most girls crave. It's not sonething you can "communicate", bevause she won't be my gf in the first place, being a normie
>There's definitely more of you than the live fast die young crew
Maybe, but the consensus is still that they're the norm. It will take a huge cultural shift, equal in force and opposite in direction to the one from the 60s to balance things. I bet it's going to happen soon btw, the signals are here

>>34381995
Yeah, I just hope that the obsession will fade because this is getting annoying

>>34382096
>find me smart and funny. I just can't get to the intimate part of it
Right well then. Get to it. Go use your smart and funny to compliment or ask a lady on a date or whatever

>>34382096
>Humans don't operate only like that tho. Why do we do useless things? Why do we want to discover how things work? It's not just survival and definitely not instinct.
Yes we do. What you might define as "useless" likely has some use buried underneath all your social programming. Maybe it's use IS to be useless because you want a break from the useful as the useful is too mentally taxing. That's still a use. We want to discover how things work because it feels good. We're bored and relieving boredom feels good. It's indirectly beneficial to survival because it's an opportunity to add more to our toolkit for survival. Animals are the same. They do useless things too that don't contribute to their survival, they just do it because it feels good. Maybe they're bored. Everything is an instinct. What even is an instinct? It's simply a gut feeling. But what is a gut feeling? It's just a combination of thoughts in your brain alongside physiological impulses through the body correlating with brain thought. Even instinct can be trained - you stop feeling it, or you start having a different instinct. All instinct is, is some thought that is less defined. You then take it and define it. You follow it or you don't. You think animals only operate on those lesser defined thoughts. They don't define their thoughts more clearly to then decide to follow them or not. Then what happens when you've trained them to not bark? Did you remove those lesser defined thoughts? Or does the animal still have lesser defined thoughts, but defines it, and chooses not to go through with it, because of some expected reward or punishment after?

>>34382096
What about animals who grow emotionally attached to their owner and nobody else? Is that instinct? I think your definition of animal and instinct is primitive. If anything, you operate just like an "instinctive animal", avoiding pain when the more logical action is to tolerate the short-term pain for long term gain.

Why else do we want to do "useless" things? There's obviously going to be some net positive perceived in it.

>You keep thinking that we're just animals, and it's the most reddit take ever
Because we are? We are advanced animals, but that label doesn't suddenly drop, we're still animals.

>>34382096
You generalise way too hard. No not everyone is thinking dick penis boobs when you ask a girl out. No not every boomer thinks the purpose of a gf is to fuck and only that. I don't know what bloody world you're living in where every single person is the exact same with those exact thoughts in their mind you somehow mind-read. Some people might think like that but it's far from the majority. Or if it is? Fucking go next, go somewhere else, there's 8 billion people surely one of them doesn't think those exact thoughts that seem to be plaguing wherever the fuck you are

>Have you ever read some 60s marxists theory? They even explained fascism as some sexual repression shit. Those freudian faggots literally believed that even kids are sexually motivated
How is this relevant to anything
So what if kids are sexually motivated? So what if sexual repression exists? What's your point? That this isn't the case and that society is just sex obsessed to the point where they start believing those things? There absolutely are kids that are sexually motivated. Not every kid, but there are kids like that. And sexual repression exists. Not every human, but some are like that. So? What does that have to do with anything? People of every configuration exist. What does that have to do with anything? People with foot fetishes also exist. So?

>One's a dirty animal, the other is a man
No, they're both animals and they're both men. Dirty, well that's up to you if you think there's something unhygienic going on. If you find one reprehensible and one not, just say so. Don't bring animals into this, animals don't exist to fuck either or have gf's, they all have their own mating strategies, some monogamous some not. It's irrelevant. Change your fucking vocabulary so it's more accurate and not red herring as fuck. If you think the boomer who's highest purpose is to fuck is short-sighted then just say so. Stop fucking bringing up animals and all this arbitrarily moral goobledy goop

>>34382114
It's not about being "social", it's not a binary thing. It's about having a minimum level of social ability which you seem to not possess. It's not a fucking fixed thing, you can learn it. Holy fuck. You seem to think it's completely impossible to learn how to not come off as completely socially inept. Ok so what when you have kids and they inherit your utter rigidity? They're gonna be doomed. So please castrate yourself and never reproduce. No point thinking about marriage now. Just end your doomed genetic line that is completely incapable of learning a thing as basic and fundamental as communication

>Maybe, but the consensus is still that they're the norm
Consensus according to what? They might be louder but they seem more like a vocal minority. Most people are just the balanced type with balanced numbers and not extreme bodycount but neither is it 0

Like bro. Please into statistics. Most people fit in the fat middle section. You seem to think the only things that exist are the tail ends of the bell curve

>>34382310
For every single concept that exists. Zero room for individual differences and deviations, all the archetypes you believe everyone to be that you blow way out of proportion are the only humans that exist. No, they are a randomly specific minority. Most people are actually pretty chill, if a bit stupid.

>>34382303
Calling something an "animal" just doesn't hit because "animal" is such a wide category. And we are literally inside that category. Fucking call them a dog instead, it would make your point clearer. Like fuck, I'd call things a human if I really wanted to insult it, cuz humans are basically capable of the fucking worst of them all

>>34382252
>compliment or ask a lady on a date or whatever
I have very slow times to open to people, and I won't be able to do that. I'd just be awkward and creepy
>>34382255
Instinct is the basic behaviour, but the fact we can analyse it and decide if follow it or not it's proof that we have a superior faculty that is lacking in other animals. Reason isn't just a more advanced instinct, it's the language of the universe, and we're the only ones who know it on this planet
>>34382258
>What about animals who grow emotionally attached to their owner and nobody else? Is that instinct?
It's their instinct to form a herd, there's no rational analysis in that
>>34382303
>No not everyone is thinking dick penis boobs when you ask a girl out
The point is not about everyone, but the general consensus. And yes, they definitely think you're a sexual predator even if you just look at a girl for too many seconds
>How is this relevant to anything
The society we live in was shaped by those theories. They wanted to destroy the old order and acted accordingly. I swear, read their theories and you'll see where modern crazyness comes from
>Stop fucking bringing up animals
Sorry but we have an antropological misunderstanding here. I call animals the people who don't have anything more than basic urges going on in their brains. They can't conceive anything higher, they're worse than animals because they could be different but decided to be that way
>>34382346
>humans are basically capable of the fucking worst of them all
You're giving me credit with this one. Because humans do horrid things as much as animals, but it's worse because they RATIONALLY decided tp do so. If a lion kills every baby in his group it's natural instinct. If a man kills his stepson becaus ehe's not really his father, that's a monstrosity, because he actually planned it and had a choice to avoid it

>>34382310
Why the "utter rigidity" was the norm for the entire histpry before the 60s? Why there's a weird epidemic of spergs like me right now? Because humans were not wired to act like bonobos (here, a specific animal), and all this shit is astroturfed by subverted with the actual goal of bring societal collapse
>>34382315
Of course there are deviations, and I'm the first one saying that the now socially accepted type (the live hard die fast boomer) isn't the natural set up, in fact parallel to incel autists, there are plenty of mentally ill women who can't be happy with this disgenic system. My complain is against that social consensus, not against individuals

>>34382743
>subverted
*subverters

Anyway, there are some people who are more sensible to this subversion and either reject the system by sticking to the old methods (like me) or people who force themselves into the hook up culture meat grinder and then end up depressed as wine aunts. You can tell the system is anti-natural because birth rates are destroyed, this shit isn't favouring anyone invilved except the original planners of it

>>34382733
>I'd just be awkward and creepy
Then just be that and adjust for next time. You have to fail a bunch to learn. It's just part of the process, making mistakes, just like every other endeavour. Except you grit through the social humiliation or whatever but the rewards are worth it once you become both immune and less prone to it later

>but the fact we can analyse it and decide if follow it or not it's proof that we have a superior faculty that is lacking in other animals.
I argue that animals can do the same, it's just not as developed. They reason too, it's just not on the same level as us because they lack language. I don't think it's just absent entirely in them. It's still there, just less of it due to aforementioned reasons. And just because one can use reason doesn't mean it makes one correct, just like people using all sorts of cognitive distortions biases and logical fallacies all the time. Nobody is ever at full knowledge, so even if they "use reason" it can only be on the data they have, so it's only as good as the quality of the data. Which is never perfect. Best we have at that would be AI which can actually sift through the entire catalog of current human knowledge to deliver an answer. But people can use reason on garbage data and reach an even more distorted conclusion compared to one who used reason on "less" data but it was more accurate data and so the conclusions still remain sound even if overly simple. Dressing something up in sophistry or making it sound sophisticated and fancy doesn't make the validity of the actual reasoning behind it better. Just makes it harder to validate the reasoning because it's obscured by all this unnecessary complexity

>>34382733
>Because humans do horrid things as much as animals, but it's worse because they RATIONALLY decided tp do so
They also do horrid things MORE than animals, precisely due to that more advanced/complex rational faculty creating more capability for evil/hurt/sabotage. Sure we hold greater power, but to use it for bad rather than good, is worse than just having little/no power at all

>>34382733
>The society we live in was shaped by those theories. They wanted to destroy the old order and acted accordingly. I swear, read their theories and you'll see where modern crazyness co
Modern craziness comes from a shit tonne of things... I wouldn't boil it down to just whatever you said. To me Ted K gives an alright summary of it. Though there's even more to it too.

>>34382743
>"utter rigidity" was the norm for the entire histpry before the 60s?
Innovative individuals that calculate risk reward better still come out on top. But everything was perhaps more conducive to the whole form families earlier and keep your head down and sacrifice for the family compared to now where people have more freedom to choose, and so they choose something else. Not necessarily good or bad, we just have more options now, overpopulation, material wealth, etc, so you see more degenerate lifestyles compared to before where people were just trying to get by.

>now socially accepted type (the live hard die fast boomer) isn't the natural set up
>plenty of mentally ill women who can't be happy with this disgenic system
Who is dysgenic here though, wouldn't it be the mentally ill women, and the ones who don't pass the threshold to spread their seed (if they tried to, not counting people who are eugenic but chose not to). I think the live fast die young is actually not "boomer" at large, it's just a rarer type of person who is on the extreme end already, who gets credit and recognition because they're actually doing shit and showing it off. Most people are still at some middle ground, although the hookup degeneracy is waning a bit compared to millennial times I think, due to higher integration of screenshit into the mainstream life, I think

>>34382754
I think there's a middle ground approach that ur ignoring. Again seeing only two extremes as the only options. You can be a bit casual and flirty or whatever without going full must sex everything around me. Irreverent/cheeky humour

>>34383119
It's something you have to learn though. Striking that right balance so you come across with social tact whilst also keeping it light-hearted. In which, you'll have to really just brute force spam a million configurations until it settles in you, da wae. People don't like hearing it, but it's basically the only option there is. There's no quick fix. Once you've done it (the sincere attempt at brute forcing) and collected the data then we can troubleshoot something more specific perhaps

>>34383159
You keep talking lime there's an infinite flow of attempts going on lime it's some blind date system. You can't destroy your reputation with fuck ups and keep goung forever like it's a lottery, it's something you build over previous interactions which are not invisible. The only way to achieve what you suggest is to go to a different city far away every time and behave like a retard just to collect data...

>>34383119
>Who is dysgenic here though, wouldn't it be the mentally ill women, and the ones who don't pass the threshold to spread their seed
Yes, and they're both the results of the subverted society, that's why it's dysgenic

>>34372640
>Is this... love?
No, and frankly, you don't even have a loose idea what that is. You sound like you have had seriously arrested development.

>>34383273
There are infinite attempts as long as you don't get thrown in jail or something. it's not about building reputation, it's about building character. And well I guess over here if you don't actively maintain connections usually people just forget you exist, and you never bump into them ever again (even if you do nothing will happen), so it actually is basically infinite resets

>>34383280
Right well you mean the system is dysgenic in that it prevents eugenic births, but the individuals themselves are not necessarily dysgenic (genetically), just that the system is promoting dysgenic behaviour. When it comes to the actual individual at hand, it's harder to assess how dysgenic they are as you'd actually need to measure the genetics of someone which there isn't any foolproof method for now other than disabilities and infertility perhaps

>>34383299
Elaborate
>>34383313
Can't relate at all with this desu. Seems like you're in a "How I met your mother" situation where the screenwriter spawns a new hottie in each episode
>>34383423
Of course, I never thought that me and my similars are genetic defects, just that we are more sensitive to the social disruption. Same goes with the subverted sluts ending as depressed wine aunts, they're just more easily prone to follow what society tells them, and in this case they were mislead. There's no explanation for the huge boost of these problems in a small time, since the only real change was indeed the "1968 revolution" and not some mass genetic mutation (unless you want to say it was Chernobyl's effect, but you can use that excuse only for Europe and not the US or the rest of the civilized world)

>>34384246
Well there's plenty of "hotties" they're just some place you don't frequent. It's actually hard to maintain a lingering connection with anyone once you're out of school or work or whatever mandatory environment you're forced in. No reputation to hold when nobody cares enough you might as well not exist

Yeah I don't know why you started talking abt genetics. It's obviously just social programming rather than something to do with genes. Things like Hollywood celebrity mediashit then social media clout-chasing yadda just society's obsession with mediashit and sensationalized slop instead of local things and grassroots history. And now with screenshit it's inescapable

>>34384357
>just some place you don't frequent
Yeah, probably they're coled in their room as much as I am (the ones worth it anyway, I don't care about party slags)

>>34384357
Thanks for being the only one trying to have a conversation btw, even if I repeatedly called you a faggot retard normie and, worst, plebbitor. This site is really shit lately, where are all the anons?

>>34384858
>coled
*closed
Fucking phone fagging

>>34384858
Still suggest you be a bit more open-minded, if you're actually trying to find a partner and form a family... There will be some but not everyone is going to be the extreme stereotypes you initially put them in

>>34386252
And plus, people can be influenced, so you can also mould someone through effective communication to stop being retarded. Although it is a chore

>>34384357
Like instead of knowing (investigating) and sharing what our own kin has struggled through and sacrificed to reach this point, we're more interested in what some retarded celebrity or YouTuber had for breakfast and what their favourite cereal brand is and their latest break-up or whatever

>>34386319
And then larping whatever the latest trendshit is to stay cool n hip and "attractive" or whatever. Just hollow cunts, rootless spineless dogs, some of the peoples these days

>>34386260
I'd have liked to be a pigmalion for the intern girl actually. I think that it's all right to do it on the intellectual side, you can grow a girl's interests by sharing yours with her, and that will create a special understanding between you. But you can't change the past, and if a woman has an high body count you can convert her to be a nun but she'll always be an ex slut unable to bond with you on a deeper level. That + constantly feeling her judgement for being inexperienced + the actual disgust for her past actions would block any kind of tender feeling on my part. That's why the intern was a rare combination of innocence - attractiveness and triggered my heart, unblicking it after 30+ years. And that's the reason why I think it's a statistical miracle that will not repeat itself easily (even supposing that I could become more open to socialisation like you did)

>>34386490
Again like my pedo comment, she was 17 and there's no guarantee if she'd stay the same, every whore started out as a virgin, it could've just been the beginning. If it matters so much to you then you could literally go pedo mode and target the younger "un-started" demographic

>create a special understanding between you
It's not that deep, and it goes both ways. You do your own interests, they do theirs, share every once in a while, just like a friendship essentially. I am talking about deeper things like worldview and stuff that actually changes their decision making process and potentially daily actions. Kinda like how I'm trying to transform your perspectives with varying degrees of success

>ex slut unable to bond with you on a deeper level. That + constantly feeling her judgement for being inexperienced
Again you're assuming things of her you don't know for certain. Firstly, slut or not slut doesn't guarantee a deep bond, you could very well bond deep with a more experienced person who actually appreciates you for you, like perhaps you are "different" to all her exes in a way she is grateful for. Secondly a virgin doesn't mean they'll bond with you, perhaps they're frigid and they'll start craving more experience and will actually cheat or monkey-branch to someone else because they are bored/curious and want more variety of experiences. You never know. While yes, your version of events could happen, so could all these other possible versions. You can't assume yours is the reality, you can only go out and test if it's true or not, which it may or may not be. + You assume you will be judged negatively for inexperience, but again it's not guaranteed, some actually like inexperience and being the bringer of first-times and yadda because there is a fun in seeing the first-time reactions and yadda. And again inexperience doesn't mean one stays inexperienced, you learn overtime and reach saturation point where you're at about level with everyone else.

>>34386490
>rare combination of innocence - attractiveness and triggered my heart, unblicking it after 30+ years. And that's the reason why I think it's a statistical miracle that will not repeat itself easily (even supposing that I could become more open to socialisation like you did)

That's the thing, it's not a statistical miracle, it only seems like that because your sample size is so small from being fairly isolated. Hence most "solutions" is for you to literally increase your sample size, by putting yourself in more proximity to encountering new people

>>34386597
>every whore started out as a virgin,
Of course, but in current day they're already whores at 14 anon... it's a miracle to find one who's not sex crazed at almost 18. And if she wanted to cheat, that means she was trash, so I won't have a problem to dump her at that point, since she'd knew I'm inezperienced like her and we're basically building something to last. If she wants to experiment kinky stuff out of curiosity tho, I'd try it with her
>I am talking about deeper things like worldview
Me too, but if they're opposite it's just a recipe to disaster
>like perhaps you are "different" to all her exes in a way she is grateful for
Yeah, imagine being the "freak" sensation she likes only as a new addition to her list... disgusting
>>34386612
>it's not a statistical miracle
It really is in my experience tho. And I don't fucking know how to increase that sample size, the point is that modern society has deleted every normal meeting environment, and you either have to turn into a party animal (not intended as literally animal here) or you wish for a miracle

>>34386597
>you could literally go pedo mode and target the younger "un-started" demographic
Even considering this, how the fuck do you meet those girls making it natural and not forced? Only statistical miracles

Btw, I can't stop thinking of her ffs, I associate with her even the most stupid things. This morning I tucked my shirt and my brain immediately remembered how she used to wear hers. Shit like that happens all the time. This is literally brainrot

>>34387485
>Yeah, imagine being the "freak" sensation she likes only as a new addition to her list... disgusting
Not necessarily, could be anything but you'd have to have that talk yourself to figure out what sets you apart etc. Maybe they got cheated on? There are many different possibilities. The one you'd probably most want to avoid is being betabuxx

>how the fuck do you meet those girls making it natural and not forced?
Idk if these threads are good but it's a common point of discussion here
>>34373721

>>34387510
>The one you'd probably most want to avoid is being betabuxx
Definitely, I'm not into cuckoldism lmao
>Idk if these threads are good
I think there's a huge divide between Europe (and even between different euro states) and the US. These threads are always about "go to church" "go to farmer markets"... if you don't live in old Ohio these are not available possibilities lol. As an eurofag, I say that church is a place for inheritance hunters or geriatric fetishists. Also, we never talk to strangers randomly lime americans do, if you try this here you'll look like a mentally ill guy. And the average impression here is that if you don't have a huge family network or a friends group, you're basically fucked for life. I'm not saying that one environment is better than the other (we both suffer the same incel pandemic) but the solutions must be very different, because the environment is very different. In the US it's all about competition and liquid society, here it's all about entering the right social circle

>>34372640
>17yo
How old are you, you sick pedo fuck? I ask this because I didn't read your long post.

>>34387663
How gay are you?

>>34387664
Apparently gay enough to hate pedophiles and not be allowed on Epstein island I guess

>>34387651
I thought europoor was more Trad but ig depends where idk

>>34387668
Well, you're retarded enough to not understand the definition of pedophilia, troll
>>34387683
Idk about more trad, but definitely more closed as groups. Here it's really either tinder slags or you have to know them through a network

>>34387692
>ackshually it's not real pedophilia
You're still a pedo incel creep and arguing semantics won't change that

>>34387933
You're still super gay. She's 18 right now btw, if that helps you to sleep better, fag

>>34372640
>is this love?
>cute girl you never talk to.
No, anon. She's an attractive girl in your boring office whom you attached a personality on to. You're infatuated with a pretty face and a story. You don't really even know her.
That's fine. It's normal for people to crush on those around them. It motivates us to get to know one another, but it isn't love. It might have been the first step on that journey but you weren't there yet.
If you wanted something more then you should have made a move. It's okay if you didn't. It won't be the end of happiness as you know it. There will be other women, other opportunities.

>>34388453
>whom you attached a personality on to. >You don't really even know her.
Anon I saw her behaviour for a month, I'm not projecting it in my mind. She was a really reserved, quiet and shy girl, who did not want to adapt to people pressuring her to be more "normie". I won't tell you the specific episodes, but I saw it when she interacted with other people, and even heard a comment about her being "too reserved" from someone who knew her better than the whole office
>That's fine. It's normal for people to crush on those around them.
I had crushes before. They're a nice feeling that motivates you to leave the bed and go to work/school because you know you'll see that girl. But this was comoletely different. For starters I felt a soul crushing impotence, I kmew I was missing out even if I was still there, I saw myself blocked in a press, stuck between an extreme attraction and protection instinct for her and the stupid social rules helding me from any noble action. I never felt a softer tenderness for a girl in my life. If that was a crush, it must be a crush2, because it has nothing to do with the previous ones.
>but you weren't there yet.
Ffs anon, I'd be there for Madame La Mort in a few years with this pace...
>If you wanted something more then you shoud have made a move. It's okay if you didn't. It won't be the end of happiness as you know it. There will be other women, other opportunities.
I like your positive take anon, but I really doubt it

>>34388739
>Anon I saw her behaviour for a month
Again that's nothing, that's how she was in that particular setting in one brief period of time
It actually sounds like you have saviour complex or something, you thought she was easy pickings because she was "too reserved" and shy so she was struggling to adapt to her environment. Because of that, she would have been more vulnerable to somebody "rescuing" her out of that "unhappiness", like a damsel in distress (like more vulnerable to grooming or more receptive to anyone. Like someone with low self esteem will happily receive any positive interaction even if it's from someone they don't particular like or find attractive). But again that's just your fantasy, there's no guarantee that's what's actually gonna happen, there's no guarantee she would actually be positively receptive to you in particular. She's probably just as uncomfortable with you as she is everyone else. It's a big stretch to think, just because you are also "quiet" that suddenly your personalities are destined to match perfectly. It's actually the opposite, usually an extrovert adopts an introvert and carries them socially until the "introvert" doesn't need so much hand-holding anymore

>For starters I felt a soul crushing impotence, I kmew I was missing out even if I was still there, I saw myself blocked in a press, stuck between an extreme attraction and protection instinct for her and the stupid social rules helding me from any noble action.
So you should learn from this. Instead of caring about the "stupid social rules" (and your likely non-existent reputation because nobody cares enough about your existence), break them to at least give yourself a fighting chance at "not missing out". Otherwise you're guaranteed to miss out on everything that's nice

>>34388975
It's just like people having incel fetish or preference for losers, they are attracted to the (illusion of) availability that those archetypes give off, since they're meant to be easy pickings or more "grateful" due to their lower self esteem (lower standards, more loyal, etc). Your lucky there's no Chad in the office cock-blocking you cuz they would likely insta-claim these "easy pickings" types

>>34388985
*(lower standards, more loyal, happy to be "picked" at all)

>>34388990
But again those archetypes are not guaranteed to be those things (loyal etc) and there's a boatload of issues that can come with low self esteem because it's not true humility even if it may "look" like it from the outside

>>34388993
The biggest being once they find their "confidence" they'll monkey-branch to something/someone better because now they realised they can/it's within reach for them

>>34388975
Holy shit anon, that's a whole lot of projection on your part here. Let's try to break it step by step:
>that's how she was in that particular setting in one brief period of time
No, as I said I've got different hints and even a direct account of a person who wasn't from the office and knew her in her daily environment saying textually "she's a good girl, but she has to come out of the shell"
>It actually sounds like you have saviour complex or something
If by that you mean that I want to protect her, yes I do
>more vulnerable to grooming or more receptive to anyone
If I was a groomer at this point I'd be alrwady fucking my 10th teen girl of the month, it's pretty clear that it's not my case and I genuinely cared for her, to the point of not wanting to risk to freak her out
>there's no guarantee she would actually be positively receptive to you in particular.
Of course not. If it was guaranteed I'd have gone for it head first, duh
>just because you are also "quiet" that suddenly your personalities are destined to match perfectly.
Well, that's what hit me the hardest tho, don't know about her. I just imagine that she won't enjoy a turbo normie nagging her about "opening up"
>It's actually the opposite, usually an extrovert adopts an introvert and carries them socially until the "introvert" doesn't need so much hand-holding anymore
An extrovert girl would never trigger that tenderness in me. I see them as obnoxious
>Instead of caring about the "stupid social rules" (and your likely non-existent reputation because nobody cares enough about your existence)
I'm not a celebrity ffs, but everyone around you cares to some degree. The whole office would've cared. And you know who else? Her parents. I feeared them considering me a groomer, because to this day every approach is seen as sexual predation. Just look at the faggots ITT freaking out because she was 17 and 365 days

>>34388975
>break them to at least give yourself a fighting chance at "not missing out". Otherwise you're guaranteed to miss out on everything that's nice
You can't do anything you want just because you like it, there are different situations and in this one I felt completely without escape
>>34388985
>Your lucky there's no Chad in the office cock-blocking you c
Actually there was a Chad of her own age, you could see how older coworkers liked him since he was a fucking Mr Perfect (I mean, he was a really good guy, I don't hate him, but he was like a caricature of the perfect goody good son). Initially (when I actually didn't know anything about her except that she was beautiful) I thought they'd end up as pals ot even fucking and I was already imagining the crippling depression results of seeing them doing so. But she ignored him completely for the whole internship (based)
>>34388997
>biggest being once they find their "confidence" they'll monkey-branch to something/someone better because now they realised they can/it's within reach for them
Idk man, your vision is definitely negative on this aspect. I'm literally one of those broken individuals and I can assure you I won't monkey branch to anything if a girl I like shown me I'm worth something. That's something a terrible individual would do, no matter how cool or loser he is

>>34389135
>No, as I said I've got different hints and even a direct account of a person who wasn't from the office and knew her in her daily environment saying textually "she's a good girl, but she has to come out of the shell"
Hints and indirect accounts don't make it so you suddenly know the person more intimately. It's what everybody knows about her. And again, it's still the same 1 office setting in literally only 1 month. You barely know the person. Do you know anything about her background? What her family's like, what her lifestyle is like, what her interests are, what her future plans and goals are, anything?! Other than, she's so shy uwu! Literally the only thing you know about her is that she's shy. Yeah dude, like basically everyone around her has been noticing and pointing out too, that's obvious surface-level shit.

>If I was a groomer at this point I'd be alrwady fucking my 10th teen girl of the month
I'm not saying you are, I'm saying it operates on similar principles to a groomer

>Well, that's what hit me the hardest tho, don't know about her. I just imagine that she won't enjoy a turbo normie nagging her about "opening up"
That's the difference between someone "shy" who's actually struggling to adapt and someone who's just quiet and doesn't give a fuck. If you stumbled across someone who was just quiet, no-nonsense, then maybe it's more authentically that quiet type of lifestyle is baked in and set. But you're just talking of some young person who's withdrawn and shy, probably had social anxiety and, like everyone else around her says, actually DOES need to break out of her shell.

>An extrovert girl would never trigger that tenderness in me. I see them as obnoxious
There are plenty of extroverted people who are kind, friendly, cheerful and inclusive, not every person who is pro-social is an obnoxious domineering fuck like you seem to think

>>34388993
Well, that's why you don't marry a girl after a month lol

>>34389135
>The whole office would've cared. And you know who else? Her parents
Does it matter if the office cares? You're simply befriending a co-worker you feel like you vibe with. Why would her parents know? You think she's going to dob on you or something? Then it's ogre before it began and why are you still thinking it was some hyper-special connection impossible to be replicated between her and anyone else. Whatever interactions you have with her, should stay between you two, unless you're asking her for marriage in the middle of a meeting with your boss and coworkers all staring in utter perplexity. Can you into tact at all? Just have lunch with her, say how have you been finding it, add her on LinkedIn or some gay corposhit. Even if you can't find the tact, just do it anyway. Ask for her Instagram or number or whatever, and if she rejects or acts creeped out then there's your answer, no need to obsess over her and the "missed chance" for a second longer and waste any more of your limited time

>But she ignored him completely for the whole internship (based)
And she didn't ignore you too? (Lmao) If she ignored Chad's advanced then she'll ignore your advances even more.

>Idk man, your vision is definitely negative on this aspect. I'm literally one of those broken individuals and I can assure you I won't monkey branch to anything if a girl I like shown me I'm worth something. That's something a terrible individual would do, no matter how cool or loser he is
That's cuz you're an incel who probably can't find anything better. You're already super entitled as is hence you have a total of absolutely zero options to choose from. These bitches in hoeflation have way more options than you, why would they pick you over someone else offering more? Monkey-branch is logical and rational, it's less "animal" than just staying with someone who is worse in every way. Most of the time monkey-branch DOESN'T happen cuz ppl are stagnantly comfortable/complacent/unambitious/lazy

>>34389213
>Does it matter if the office cares?
Uhm yes, it definitely matters if the place I have to go everyday for a living becomes a gossip hell. Duh
>Why would her parents know?
Because if she's going to become your gf they'll know 100% unless you act like a sneaky groomer
>why are you still thinking it was some hyper-special connection impossible to be replicated between her and anyone else at all?
I never said we had a special connection. I said I fell for her like a retard. The whole thread is about my feelings for her, not about a relationship that never started (and that's why it hurts actually, because I don't know).
>Ask for her Instagram or number or whatever
How the fuck do you pull this out without being weird? You have to be very well acquainted with her already to ask for her contact
>no need to obsess over her and the "missed chance" for a second longer and waste any more of your limited time
Yeah, probably freaking her out and looking like a retard in front of the office would've been better than this crippling feeling, ngl
>And she didn't ignore you too? (Lmao) If she ignored Chad's advanced then she'll ignore your advances even more.
Neither Chad nor me actually did a real advance, it's just another proof of her nature. He was her own age, yet she acted the same she did with everyone else, meaning that the behaviour I saw was actually how she was all the time. Maybe she secretly liked Chad as much as I secretly (but I fear it was noticeable actually) liked her. Who knows, it was basically a crossroad of autism. The only FACT is that she was a "literally me" girl, and that's why I felt the sympathy in the first place
>That's cuz you're an incel who probably can't find anything better
The hypethetical was about the scenario where a girl unblocks me like you said could happen to shy girls
>why would they pick you over someone else offering more?
This is valid for every girl then. By this logic only Elon Musk would be able to mate...

>>34389213
>someone who is worse in every way.
Hey! I said I'm an autistic mentalcel, not a fucking elephant man fedora guy living in a basement cave...
>Most of the time monkey-branch DOESN'T happen cuz ppl are stagnantly comfortable/complacent/unambitious/lazy
maybe there's still someone who's not all about htpergamy, thank God. With your "logic" we'd be extinct

>>34389324
> place I have to go everyday for a living becomes a gossip hell
If it doesn't affect your work performance and work standing, then who cares? It's just lowly people gossiping irrational thoughts. If it reaches you, you can just respond with how you weren't wrong or breaching anything

>Because if she's going to become your gf they'll know 100% unless you act like a sneaky groomer
If she's already your gf then why does it matter? She chose you over her parents' approval of it. As she should, she shouldn't be blindly following whatever her parents say, she should decide for herself and only use her parents' advice if it's actually wise to

>How the fuck do you pull this out without being weird? You have to be very well acquainted with her already to ask for her contact
That's the thing, if you weren't just a retard projecting random fantasies onto her you could've - ACTUALLY GOTTEN TO KNOW HER!! But if you're really so socially inept that you can't, then just go the immediate brute force asking for social route, get rejected as you should anyway for being so inept, and easily move on from your fantasies because they can actually shatter from reality's data and you can stop wasting your time in fake fantasy land

>Yeah, probably freaking her out and looking like a retard in front of the office would've been better than this crippling feeling, ngl
Exactly. At least you get to own your time back and put it on fruitful, constructive things instead of this fantasy limbo you are stuck in

>>34389324
>He was her own age, yet she acted the same she did with everyone else, meaning that the behaviour I saw was actually how she was all the time.
Well yes that's the point, she's too shy to actually display her real feelings so she puts this mask on and treats everything equally when things are actually not equal. That's the point of overcoming shyness and "getting out of your shell". She's probably only like that in these environments she's struggling in. If she's more comfortable, like around family or close friends, she's probably someone else entirely.

Chad never made an advance so you can't say she rejected him. You're right, maybe she secretly liked Chad and would've been very happy if he made advances.

>The only FACT is that she was a "literally me" girl, and that's why I felt the sympathy in the first place
And that's what you need to change, you shouldn't NEED sympathy for yourself, you should be strong enough to navigate the world and not need someone else's pity

>The hypethetical was about the scenario where a girl unblocks me like you said could happen to shy girls
Unblocks what? I mean a scenario where you're with some girl fat ugly idk you don't like that much but she showed lots of love to you so you decided to try it out with her, then your perfect unicorn girl comes by and magically loves you too so you ditch the ugly fattie or whatever to go be with unicorn

>why would they pick you over someone else offering more?
This is valid for every girl then. By this logic only Elon Musk would be able to mate...
Yes but is Elon Musk an available option for the girl? Obviously not. I meant they can pick from the options that are actually available to them

>>34389367
>get rejected as you should anyway for being so inept
To add, you shouldn't get "rejected", I just mean romantically. If you're just wanting to be friends or something platonic or work-related, you SHOULDN'T get rejected, unless they are an asshole. But if you're making it purely only about romance and nothing else, then yes higher chance you should get rejected because you don't have any foundations to be going straight to that (unless you're like godly in appearance but even then that's a gamble if you're doing it out-of-the-blue socially inept style)

Even then, if they do accept friendship, that doesn't make them suddenly romantically into you, so yes you are in the "friendzone" for now, in which you can escalate or de-escalate, so don't take a friendliness common courtesy as a OH she's totally in love with me now, OR that she's some one in a billion angel, because no, it's just common courtesy and basic decency, it's not some achievement, and it really shouldn't be but somehow is in this day and age where there are so many socially screwed up dickheads

>>34389331
No, with YOUR logic we'd all be extinct because you seem to be unable to settle for anything other than some 10/10 virgin princess obedient unicorn who will somehow fall out of the sky and into your lap as you sit in your bedroom isolated and disengaged from the world

I mean they get the best option AVAILABLE to them, not just the best option that exists (which is unattainable, out of their league, etc)

>>34389331
>Most of the time monkey-branch DOESN'T happen cuz ppl are stagnantly comfortable/complacent/unambitious/lazy

Also for this I mean for pairings where there's severe looks mismatch (or other thing mismatch)
Like one of them could obviously go for someone better and it's odd that they're with them. So maybe they're just with them because they are socially inept, or they just want money, or something etc

>>34389367
>If it doesn't affect your work performance and work standing, then who cares?
It will affect the environment, it would become hell
>As she should
Oh sure, I can't wait to break a family apart... wtf anon
>projecting random fantasies onto her
Tbere's nothing random about it, as I already explained plenty of times
>instead of this fantasy limbo you are stuck in
Too late I guess. Sad!
>>34389386
>she puts this mask on and treats everything equally when things are actually not equal.
>If she's more comfortable, like around family or close friends, she's probably someone else entirely.
Literally me x2
>Chad never made an advance so you can't say she rejected him.
He talked to her tho, and she wasn't very into it.
>You're right, maybe she secretly liked Chad and would've been very happy if he made advances.
That could be true for me aswell, nobody will ever know, that's the point
>And that's what you need to change
Anon that's literally the base of empathy, if I can relate, I feel it, if I don't, I don't. If a girl was all about "oh no, I'm so lonely because Chad left me last week" I won't feel anything for that, because I find it a ridiculous problem. If a girl is constantly pushed against her nature to open up, I can feel it, because that's literally what they did to me my whole life and I know it's shit.
>you're with some girl fat ugly
>severe looks mismatch (or other thing mismatch)
Well, this wasn't the case tho, if you don't consider the age gap a mismatch, because lookwise I'm not as ugly as my situation might suggest, and mentally we were both stuck up spergs.

>>34389412
>Even then, if they do accept friendship, that doesn't make them suddenly romantically into you
Yeah, that's another difficult aspect to discern. All this shit is really too hard to grasp with no social structure around it. And considering the extremely low successful rate, it's not even really worth it to play the game. I feel exhausted just by thinking about all this bullshit

>>34389626
>It will affect the environment, it would become hell
It's already "hell" to you anyway, so no difference

>Oh sure, I can't wait to break a family apart... wtf anon
You're not? That's completely standard for the children to stop being dependent on their parents at some point, if not then the kid is enmeshed and needs to fix that

>Tbere's nothing random about it, as I already explained plenty of times
Pretty random when none of it is guaranteed or even likely the case. You took 1 trait, shyness, then constructed an entire world out of it when the reality could be completely different too and there's no guarantee of which one would actually be the case (unless you actually went for it to test and confirm in which you didn't)

>Literally me x2
And there's no guarantee that "entirely different person" is someone you'd like

>He talked to her tho, and she wasn't very into it.
Because she's like that to everyone, essentially she's socially inept and can't even give others basic common courtesy, which is actually a failure on her half

>That could be true for me aswell, nobody will ever know, that's the point
Actually you could know if you grew some balls and asked

>Anon that's literally the base of empathy, if I can relate, I feel it, if I don't, I don't.
Which you have extremely little of. I'm here empathizing my way with billions millions of people, people extremely different to me, and here you are being lazy only able to cognitively imagine the pain of people who are 1:1 direct carbon copy clones of yourself

>>34389626
>Well, this wasn't the case tho, if you don't consider the age gap a mismatch, because lookwise I'm not as ugly as my situation might suggest, and mentally we were both stuck up spergs.
You: not ugly, mentally stuck up sperg
Her: top percentile in physical attractiveness, mentally stuck up sperg
Her match would be someone either not ugly but makes up for her mental ineptitude by being mentally flexible and navigating for her, or someone also top percentile in physical attractiveness who's mentally incompetent

>Yeah, that's another difficult aspect to discern
It's really not. Friendship is a start. That's it. It's not holy cow suddenly we're besties and planning our future together and yadda yadda, it's just a start. Might lead somewhere, might not. It's not hookup tier now we're in each other's genitals either. It's just a start, and you can develop from there, or not.

>>34389681
>Anon that's literally the base of empathy, if I can relate, I feel it, if I don't, I don't.
>Which you have extremely little of. I'm here empathizing my way with billions millions of people, people extremely different to me, and here you are being lazy only able to cognitively imagine the pain of people who are 1:1 direct carbon copy clones of yourself

To add, I give "empathy" where it's deserved. I'm not going to give it to these first world problem modern day type shit where everybody cries when they don't get their bread delivered the exact configuration they demanded it in with crust and exactly 32 grains of salt and pepper no more no less. If you're grievance is that a 10/10 princess virgin uwu didn't fall out of the sky and into your lap, I'm not going to pat you on the back and say you're so brave and stunning. Go pay a therapist if you just want someone to enable and cheer you on for your weak shit pathetic behaviour

>>34389681
>Literally me x2
>And there's no guarantee that "entirely different person" is someone you'd like

And to add

More importantly, no guarantee that person would like YOU.

Naturally when it's clear and confirmed the other person doesn't like you, your high view of them will fade away and you won't emphasise and pedestalize their few good traits anymore and you'll acquire a more holistic/accurate view of them, good AND bad traits. And your obsession will fade and you can move onto someone else who actually is a better fit for you

>>34389743
To add, why do you think these parasocial shit gets to obscene levels, because people are stuck in that fantasy limbo. It's just limerence and obsession based off of fantasy and misrepresentation of reality. That's why K-pop idols and shit don't date, they want to keep selling the boyfriend girlfriend fantasy to tweens, or you get these crazy Stan fans who think their celebrity is some living god or living saint, because they have no life of their own and have to fill it with some commercially engineered crap. Or you got those simps paying tens of thousands of dollars to some streamer onlyfans women or whatever. It's just part of the game, obsession is not love because it's built off of fantasy and not reality. Just call it limerence and be done with it. Actually get to the reality next time instead of staying in your fantasy. You are in love with an illusion, not reality

>>34389792
And ultimately, they stay in that fantasy, the simps pay the money, because they want to keep feeling good, they don't want to shatter it or break it for as long as possible. But that only delays the inevitable, and makes the eventual shattering more painful since you neglected your own life and time you could've spent on something more constructive and real in your life

>>34372640
nope

>>34389681
>It's already "hell" to you anyway
No, it's just a limbo, which is still better than actual hell
>You're not? That's completely standard for the children to stop being dependent
She wasn't a dependent children. I'm talking of not being accepted by her family, which could happen even if she was 30, and that's something ypu want to avoid if you actually care about the person
>Pretty random when none of it is guaranteed or even likely the case. You took 1 trait, shyness, then constructed an entire world out of it
But I didn't. I just recognized that trait, which was her main one, and I liked it, unlike normies who wanted to change her like if being an extreme introvert is a mental illness (your same, typical normie, approach). You keep considering shyness not as a characher's trait, but as a mental defect, which is not
>when the reality could be completely different
Not completely different, just multi faceted, which I took into account
>And there's no guarantee that "entirely different person" is someone you'd like
That's valid for every person, everyone is multifaceted and we judge them from how they appear in public. Maybe le extrovert bubbly girl is depressed when she's out of the lamelight, and vice versa. You'll discover it only when you become very intimate, which could took years.
>can't even give others basic common courtesy
She just doesn't like to do small talk and shit, it's not like she said fuck off to him lmao
>Actually you could know if you grew some balls and asked
Yeah, ruining everything with that move tho, as you also recognized before
>Which you have extremely little of.
Yeah, so when it happens it's something to grab I guess
>I'm here empathizing my way with billions millions of people
Shut up, you can't even imagine shyness as a trait and you keep thinking is some sort of crippling disability. You're the epitome of low empathy

>>34389690
>Her match would be
But it's not that precise irl, there's plenty of people who are not perfect matches but they're similar enough to not be an eyesore couple
>Friendship is a start.
So people who say that when a girl sees you as a friend you're basically game over it's bullshit?
>I give "empathy" where it's deserved
Me too, which is for people who suffer in this shit western subverted society, not certainly for some turd worlders 10000 miles away from me
>More importantly, no guarantee that person would like YOU
But I never said it was guaranteed. I'm not delusional anon, I know she probably didn't care at all about me. This is a one way problem, and I never said "she surely loved me and would've married that same day me if I asked". It's about me finding her special, and obsessing over her

>>34389792
Ffs anon, k-pop idols are literally a commercial fabrication, how can you mix that up with a real girl who was a few inches from me for a month? What I saw about her was definitely partial, but real. And what about those married couples who fall apart because they find some secret side of their partners after years? That's how people work, you'll never know them 100%
>>34390221
Nice analysis

>>34388237
>She's 18 right now btw
Sure she is, pedo. It's likely she's 16 just like you are an ugly creep that no woman is attracted to.

Hey so it's likely this feeling of melancholy and longing isn't any fate-altering "true love" but rather you saw in this girl the feminine traits of your own soul. A psychologist named Carl Jung talked about this: within every man's soul is an inner woman (the anima), and conversely within every woman's there is an inner man (the animus). What you can do with this longing is use it as fuel to begin learning more about yourself and your inner feminine side, you have after all found some part of this girl irresistible, the hard part's figuring out what exactly this sadness is trying to tell you. It could be things you once loved but let slip away, like artistic expression or appreciating beauty or any one of those talents that come naturally to women. Whatever you do, don't ignore the feeling or spend lots of time feeling sorry for yourself on things out of your control. There's probably a lot more to yourself than you know, and a seemingly hopeless crush is a great doorway that might lead you to places you couldn't imagine. If you're interested in the whole idea of discovering an inner life, I'd recommend Man and His Symbols as a start, just to give you a look into this type of thing and where it goes.

>>34390501
>No, it's just a limbo, which is still better than actual hell
No it's worse. At least a hell you can recognise and exit or pushes you to make it better. A limbo you stay in forever

>I'm talking of not being accepted by her family, which could happen even if she was 30, and that's something ypu want to avoid if you actually care about the person
Again, who cares if they're judgement comes from somewhere lowly and irrational? Do you care about inheritance or something? You're a kid, do what you want, advocate for yourself, if your family still doesn't accept then maybe there's actually something wrong then? Maybe you truly are a lowly match for her? Like are you incapable of proving to the family you are trustworthy or have any compensating factors to make up for your age?

>But I didn't. I just recognized that trait, which was her main one, and I liked it, unlike normies who wanted to change her like if being an extreme introvert is a mental illness (your same, typical normie, approach). You keep considering shyness not as a characher's trait, but as a mental defect, which is not
Shyness is. Quietness is not. Already established this
And yes, you did. You essentially went omg shy!!1! Uwu virgin princess intelleckchual not like other girls!1!! Even though you basically have no frame of reference of what other girls are actually like other than honestly who knows where you get your information on these things, and you have no frame of reference on if she's actually anything like you imagine because you don't even know anything about her except 1 retarded trait

>>34390501
>Not completely different, just multi faceted, which I took into account
It could literally be completely different. She could absolutely hate you and be utterly disgusted by you inside. She could be a complete sadist inside. You don't know, because you never bothered confirming. That's the entire point, even you admit that you didn't make a move, barely talked to her, don't know anything about her other than she's struggling to adapt to her environment which could be a billion different things, maybe she's just got housing issues and doesn't want to talk. But it certainly doesn't mean wow she's romantically attracted to you and really wants to be total awkward oopsie spergs together like your totally cringe fantasies
Like holy shit get it through your thick head, it's like if a girl smiles at you you think she's in love with you and won't let go of the idea. Okay if that's the case, then fucking propose to her? Yeah, somehow still scared to do it when the odds are just soooooo in your favour, right? Yeah, cuz you know you're tripping and they ain't. High chance of complete romantic rejection and you know it. Best you can get is just being an acquaintance or professional network friend or a friend if you have some other interests you share. You know that she's not romantically interested in you. Fucking let it go already. Fucking message her on Instagram (or LinkedIn or whatever) today, wait a few days for a response, and finally be set free, you dumb ass

>>34390501
>That's valid for every person, everyone is multifaceted and we judge them from how they appear in public. Maybe le extrovert bubbly girl is depressed when she's out of the lamelight, and vice versa. You'll discover it only when you become very intimate, which could took years.
Yes but it's more true with people who are obviously masking like le tismo's le embarrassed shy's compared to just someone who doesn't give a fuck and maintains a more authentic exterior out in public.
You're finally admitting to it, and no it doesn't take years, it can take literally 1 conversation and just a bit of cognizance where you notice their slip up's and ask about it.

>She just doesn't like to do small talk and shit, it's not like she said fuck off to him lmao
Yes but giving people eye contact, responding where appropriate, treating people with respect, these are all important things and while you don't have to do extended "small talk" you should at least give basic courtesy to ask or respond hospitably as a simple acknowledgement of someone else

>Yeah, ruining everything with that move tho, as you also recognized before
No, nothing to ruin in the first place. You simply give yourself a chance, which may or may not work, highly likely not, but better than no chance at all

>Yeah, so when it happens it's something to grab I guess
Or be a bit more authentic to yourself whilst being curious about people around you, and discovering different things about them that might surprise you, like a hecking visual novel protagonist or something but IRL

>>34390501
>Shut up, you can't even imagine shyness as a trait and you keep thinking is some sort of crippling disability. You're the epitome of low empathy
Lol, I literally was that cripplingly shy mute person in the shadows in the past. Yes it was just like a disability, limiting all my options because I was too scared to strike at anything and obtain anything I wanted. Might as well be disabled considering how bloody unable I was. I've literally been imagining shyness as a much more multi-faceted trait with many different formulations than you have, where to you shyness is just le uwu! Pure and Trad virgin uwu!! Now I speak when I find it appropriate/strategic, and do my own shit and not waste my time if there's nothing to be gained.

>But it's not that precise irl, there's plenty of people who are not perfect matches but they're similar enough to not be an eyesore couple
Similar in what, looks? Then they're looks-matched enough, not too apart in standard deviations or whatever

>So people who say that when a girl sees you as a friend you're basically game over it's bullshit?
Of course. It's like game start, but then after a while if you actually get rejected romantically or you feel you're being led on or something then end the game yourself

>Me too, which is for people who suffer in this shit western subverted society, not certainly for some turd worlders 10000 miles away from me
Lol so basically if some turd worlder is starving to death or dying of some illness they can't get adequate treatment or getting everything robbed by a corrupt government you're going to go "help" (how exactly?) the le sperg shygirl (or boy) who's suffering oh so hard because she can't fit in with the evil normies around her who are treating her in a totally degrading and inhuman way, trying to "get her out of her shell" how dare they, how dare they try to include her and make her feel more belonging amongst her peers, hmm okay nice scale you got there

>>34390539
>But I never said it was guaranteed. I'm not delusional anon, I know she probably didn't care at all about me. This is a one way problem, and I never said "she surely loved me and would've married that same day me if I asked". It's about me finding her special, and obsessing over her
Then what the actual fuck are you mourning over
She's not special at all, already said go increase your sample size dumb cunt

>Ffs anon, k-pop idols are literally a commercial fabrication, how can you mix that up with a real girl who was a few inches from me for a month? What I saw about her was definitely partial, but real. And what about those married couples who fall apart because they find some secret side of their partners after years? That's how people work, you'll never know them 100%

I said the OBSESSION operates under the same principle, an illusion and gap in data rather than the actual reality of things. The thing that fuel stalking both IRL people and celebrities

Partial is enough to be not real, just like those celebrities only show something "partial" and play up a few things and ramp them up whilst focusing attention away from something else, to uphold some image and keep people fans or obsessed

Those married couples failing doesn't suddenly remove the existence of successful couples that stay forever building families and wealth and etc. It's not how "people" work, it's how retards work. You never know them "100%" but you can sure as hell get close that the difference between that and 100 is negligible

>>34390539
For you, you clearly just feel a sudden pang of regret that such "pleasant rewards" were out there all this time, and instead of putting yourself out there in proximity of encountering them when you were younger, you wasted those years. Now that you "tasted" the forbidden fruit, somehow you're still insistent on not changing something about yourself so you can actually get more of it, instead you insist on just lamenting how your tiny sample sized "miracle" is now gone (when they're not even gone, you have their Instashit and LinkedIn and whatever)

>>34390615
I'm actually very fascinated by the whole Jung's theory and esoterism. I was going to post this same thread on /x/ after it got archived here. I tried on /r9k/ but those incels are too focused on jerking to shill threads. Here I've got a good chat with Real Ass Nigga, and I hope to analyse the more hidden meanings on that board. If you want to visit that thread you'll find it once this one is finished, since we're almost at bumb limit. I'd really appreciate to elaborate on that with you and other /x/ schizo anons

>>34390684
>No it's worse. At least a hell you can recognise and exit or pushes you to make it better. A limbo you stay in forever
Interesting take
>>34390684
>You're a kid
What do you mean? That I'm
>Like are you incapable of proving to the family you are trustworthy or have any compensating factors to make up for your age?
Considering that our age sees a 17yo like a toddler and a 30yo a 700yo patriarch like Noah, I fear all my good intentions could not overcome that. Just see how the fags reacted to this thread. Even considering them memes, there's a huge part of society that was brainwashed into thinking that. My biggest fear is to appear something I'm not

>princess intelleckchual
Never thought she was an intellectual, just a sweet girl. Even if she was vapid I'd still like her for her reserved nature. She wasn't vulgar, and that's already 99% better than anyone else.
>Even though you basically have no frame of reference of what other girls are actually like
Do you think she's the first girl I ever saw in 30 years? Lol
>>34390699
You keep projecting things I never mentioned, and ignoring things I already explained a million times:
1) I NEVER thought that she was magically attracted to me. I was the one feeling the attraction
2) I barely talked to her, because I respected her nature, but it's not like I remained still for a month. I've got hints during conversations, I've heard accounts from people who knew her better, and, most importantly, I recognised how she was acting, because that's how I act. That behaviour isn't caused by anything except being exhausted by human interactions
3) I never thought she was an intellectual, a genius, a saint. Even if she was a sadist inside, the exterior was still a real part of her, mot a mask, because you can't fake that. Maybe I'd have liked the sadist side of her aswell, since it was well concealed like a naughty secret, and not a vulgar display like most normies do

>>34390720
>You're finally admitting to it,
I always said I didn't know everything about her, why do you keep going with the distortion of what I said? And no, a conversation isn't enough to know shit, ffs. They can tell you a bunch of bullshit
>Yes but giving people eye contact,
Avoiding eye contact was never interpreted as a lack of respect, it's obviously shyness
>responding where appropriate, treating people with respect
Who said she didn't? Who said I don't? Actually, spergs like me are anal about the bon ton rules, because we crave an handbook to tell us how to behave with people. That's the whole point about hating boomers who destroyed that
>being curious about people around you
Sorry but Idgaf about normies talking about their normie problems and bodily functions

>>34372640
Why don't you find her info and ask her out? You do know her name? Why are you such a pussy?

>>34390978
I mean you're someone's kid, I don't mean you're a kid so be infantilized and stay child-like

>You keep projecting things I never mentioned
I'm just counter-projecting things YOU initially projected. In the end, IT'S ALL just conjecture and projection. As we know, you didn't get to know her more in-depth, you didn't get to see if she actually complements you well or not, so indeed, nothing can be said. You simply saw a shy girl who was also top percentile pretty or whatever and now you're taking your decades of incel-ism and putting her on a pedestal, which is somewhat of a typical reaction, due to one thing - sample size. Your sample size is too small. Go out and get the data, grow the balls, and grab the data even if it requires all you can muster

You keep saying other people are vulgar. How? Most people are decent. Hell I like a bit of vulgarity, it displays irreverence. Though I don't actually know what your definition of "vulgar" is, you have a very particular image of other people - that whole turbo sex maniac etc etc which I really don't see much of around me. Maybe it really is the environment that you're in, but I think it's a bit of both, that you're too sensitive about these topics because of your own wizard status, so any small mention triggers you intensely and makes what is just some casual talk seem like extreme vulgarity or something. That's why another suggestion is really to just lose your virginity to a hooker and demystify the whole thing. Because it's just sex. It's just bodily functions. You shouldn't talk about it 24 7 but neither should you be scared of it. It's a part of life like everything else. It's like, your extreme trigger of it is almost on par with the obsession, just in the opposite direction. You are no better than them, then. The true way is to see both sides, and then settle to some homeostatic equilibrium of "mastery" where it no longer concerns you but you "get" it.

>>34390732
>Yes it was just like a disability
Then you were just a blocked extrovert, if you craved to be a normie but couldn't.
>Similar in what, looks?
Yes, in looks. If ipothetically me and her were going for a walk, nobody would turn their heads thinking about The beauty and the beast. So I guess that wasn't a problem at all
>>34390732
>Lol so basically if some turd worlder is starving to death or dying of some illness they can't get adequate treatment or getting everything robbed by a corrupt government you're going to go "help" (how exactly?) the le sperg shygirl (or boy) who's suffering oh so hard because she can't fit in with the evil normies around her who are treating her in a totally degrading and inhuman way, trying to "get her out of her shell" how dare they, how dare they try to include her and make her feel more belonging amongst her peers, hmm okay nice scale you got there
YES

>>34390978
>she's the first girl I ever saw in 30 years?
She's another girl you saw but barely got to know

>I recognised how she was acting, because that's how I act. That behaviour isn't caused by anything except being exhausted by human interactions
And do you think that's a solid way to be? Do you think that's an advantage for her? Do you think she should stay that way, struggling through life and never connecting with anyone in a meaningful way? And if you're "respecting her nature" by not talking to her, how on earth are you supposed to be with her? How on earth are you supposed to get together with her? If she's completely barred off because you can't even talk to her without it being disrespectful because her nature is completely closed off to all human interaction? Man. This is why you do not pedestalize social ineptitude

I don't get what loss you're mourning for, because the way you phrase it, she's completely out of bounds anyway. You're better off getting with a normie since you need someone to carry the conversation and lead the relationship to SOMEWHERE. Better than two autists standing next to each other completely silent like statues, going utterly nowhere

>And no, a conversation isn't enough to know shit, ffs. They can tell you a bunch of bullshit
Yeah maybe not your stupid artificial hollow conversations. If you were socially savvy empathetic observant etc you can actually have authentic candid conversations with people and learn a shit tonne about them, share something about yourself and get them to share too

>>34390986
>Avoiding eye contact was never interpreted as a lack of respect, it's obviously shyness
It's absolutely a sign of disrespect, probably the first sign. Sometimes it can be shrugged off as shyness but in combination with other indicators like curtness and unresponsiveness, yes, it's a huge sign of disrespect and the person not acknowledging you or showing basic courtesy and decency. Maybe you need some self awareness yourself and to use this as an opportunity to self reflect on how you interface with the world at large

>Who said she didn't?
You when you say she's treating Chad guy in that manner. But it's irrelevant if she is or isn't, she is already a shy person which already means she's not really authentic or sincere in any situation, so even if she did all those things it could still be disrespectful because it's not coming from the heart. I'm just saying that these things are small but important. As a social calibration. Like you, you are clearly an extremely disrespectful person to basically everyone around you internally, so even if you did those fake things, I could probably smell the fakeness of it anyway. The major factor in all social calibration really, is humility. You either have it or you don't, and that's the deciding factor of everything. Whether you are likable as a human, whether you are decent or not. It's not normie or not normie. It's humble or not humble

>Then you were just a blocked extrovert, if you craved to be a normie but couldn't
No. I was blocked by myself. Sure some extroverts are domineering sabotage-y fucks, but a lot are also nice and inclusive friendly cheerful and just want to help

>Yes, in looks. If ipothetically me and her were going for a walk, nobody would turn their heads thinking about The beauty and the beast
Ok then that wasn't the scenario I was talking about. I was talking about severe looks-mismatch not looksmatch

>YES
Retard. Sheltered retard

>>34390739
>Then what the actual fuck are you mourning over
Are you retarded? I literally said I found her special, nobody ever made me feel that. This is the whole point of the thread
>>34390740
>when they're not even gone, you have their Instashit
She has a private profile with 0 posts. I tried to write to her but the message don't even start. So, no, I don't have any link to her except going under her windows like an 80's romcom faggot stalker
And I didn't waste anything, I simply can't do it. It's like crying because you never went to the Olympics while you're a whale-sized lardass.
And I went to school, university and work, met several girls, some of them I developed a crush on. But NEVER felt that before, so it's literally a statistical miracle. You keep talking like she was the first girl I ever saw in my life, and keep saying that all I observed about her irl is just a projection. You don't know shit anon

>>34390988
>>34391037
>She has a private profile with 0 posts. I tried to write to her but the message don't even start

>>34391037
>Are you retarded? I literally said I found her special, nobody ever made me feel that. This is the whole point of the thread
Are you retarded? I already said she's not special your sample size is just ridiculously small proportional to your ball size

>She has a private profile with 0 posts. I tried to write to her but the message don't even start.
What, you can't send messages to her profile? Have you tried? How do you even know her profile?

>And I didn't waste anything, I simply can't do it. It's like crying because you never went to the Olympics while you're a whale-sized lardass.
Which would never happen because a lardass would not give a fuck about going to the Olympics in the first place, they'd adjust their expectations and goals to something more achievable (although in this day and age, people are getting more retarded so that happens less)

>And I went to school, university and work, met several girls, some of them I developed a crush on. But NEVER felt that before, so it's literally a statistical miracle. You keep talking like she was the first girl I ever saw in my life, and keep saying that all I observed about her irl is just a projection. You don't know shit anon
Am I supposed to know shit? Do I know your whole life story? Obviously I'm just going by the data you've presented. Now you're putting new data and acting like oh wow I was supposed to be a mind reader. Anyway, same shit. No it's not a statistical miracle. Shy people are fucking everywhere, even worse these days with screenshit. Go leave your stupid bubble, go pedo mode, go out and collect data somewhere that's not a fucking place you're forced to go to (school, university, work). Actually get to know people beyond surface level shit, by talking to them with honesty. Then talk

>>34391003
>your definition of "vulgar"
Just think about minuet vs twerking. People are for the most part the latter
>Because it's just sex. It's just bodily functions
It really isn't tho. It's the moment when you're the most fragile towards the world, the moment when you turn into an animal. Not something you share with everyone. Btw pooping is a bodily function, but I don't share it with the general public desu

>>34391036
>Then you were just a blocked extrovert, if you craved to be a normie but couldn't
>No. I was blocked by myself. Sure some extroverts are domineering sabotage-y fucks, but a lot are also nice and inclusive friendly cheerful and just want to help
Misread. Again no. I can not talk to a human being in years and not give a fuck. I do not care about "socialising". I care about reaching my goals. If they require "socialising" to get there, I'll do as required.

Extroversion and introversion are false dichotomy psychobabble fraudshit anyway, as I said. The entire field of psychology is retarded and needs a massive rework. No I don't get energy from "being alone" and neither do I get energy from "socialising". I get "energy" (what the fuck do you even mean by energy) from doing something that's actually constructive/progressing towards my life goals, or fucking sleeping. Like what? Sometimes that means "socialising" with a particular human brings me closer to my goals and that makes me happy. Other times, "socialising" uselessly that does not bring me closer to my goals just makes me pissed off at the waste of my time. There, "extroversion" and "introversion" myth debunked for you

>>34391068
What the fuck mate. When you're eating do you turn into an animal? Shut up about this retarded false equivalence that sex == animal or something. Sex is sex. You know there's skill involved with it too? There's creative expression involved in it? It's not just taking a dump. It's more like cooking, with flavours and shit. Taking a dump would be more like child-birth or something.

>Just think about minuet vs twerking. People are for the most part the latter
Okay, but they're just two dances. One is sexualised and the other isn't. You're basically scared of sex. Holy fuck just have sex already, Jesus Christ. No it's not some grand mystical sacred mind-blowing thing. It's just fucking sex. It can be fun, it can be shit, it can be boring, it can be reproductive. And some people are way too fucking obsessed with it. Like you. Have sex so you can fucking leave your retarded fantasy limbos to do with the sanctity of virginity or some shit. Do you think you're superior to everyone because you're a virgin? You're not. You're just different. And maybe even a bit more inferior because you have less experience so less frames of reference to go by. Fucking. Have. Sex. Holy shit

>>34391037
>I don't have any link to her except going under her windows like an 80's romcom faggot stalker
So you know where she lives? If it was common info when you worked with her, put a letter in her mailbox. If you looked it up online or otherwise difficult source, don't, or it will be creepy. And don't do it if she's living with her parents ofc.
Consider asking an acquaintance for her contact info (risky), or asking an acquaintance to deliver her a message + your contact info on your behalf (less creepy).
In the message, you should be polite and give her the full space to make her choice, it will be less creepy that way. But include the fact that she stayed in your mind and you regret not asking her out earlier.
Yes, going through an acquaintance will feel difficult with an age gap, but unless you are straight up blocked by them, this can also work in your favor in terms of getting to her in a more "public" and not secretive (creepy) way.

>>34391082
He ain't gonna do it
He's a scared faggot with apparently everything to lose

>>34372640
>>have a "this is what they took from you" epiphany about how just a century ago you'd have asked her to be your fiance, married her as soon as she finished school, bought a little house and filled it with kids
No. You would still be you and not have done literally anything.

>>I_hate_(((boomers)))_so_much_it's_unreal.jpeg
Nobody took anything from you.
Nobody did this to you.
You are responsible for how you respond to life.

>>the internship ends
And you missed your shot.
The internship wasn't a day. You had time to let her get comfortable with you and ask her out. She'd probably be too shy and shoot you down but you'd likely feel better about it.

>I'm going to whisper her name on the deathbed like Citizen Kane, am I?
Not likely but you'll probably still remember her and think of her.

>Is there someone of you who experienced something like this and can relate?
Similar things.

>How did you solved it?
One was an incredibly powerful crush in high school. My response was to essentially be a pathetic cringe faggot and almost avoid creeping her out most of the time. But it was a crush and I felt better a year or so later at university when I had a better grasp on reality.

Then much later I met a perfect girl, absolutely amazing. I knew five minutes after meeting her that she'd never be interested in me. It wasn't low self esteem, I just wasn't what she she'd be looking for. But still, I wanted to know her and we became friends. Then one day I realized that my attraction had turned into me being in love with her and my heart shattered because she'd never want me.
A few months later I joked about loving her to get confirmation that she'd never be interested. She took it seriously, let me down gently, and barely ever spoke to me again. Three years later I had recovered from the heartbreak rather well.
Life goes on.
Get back in it.

>>34391048
>your sample size is just ridiculously small
Yeah, I guess everyone should have a 10000 girl pool for you to have a sample... lmao
>>34391048
>What, you can't send messages to her profile? Have you tried? How do you even know her profile?
I tried, but instagram doesn't send messages to private profiles, you have to befriend her before, but since I have a 0 content profile with no picture, without a message she'll just think it's an indian bot. And I found her because I know her name, duh
>although in this day and age, people are getting more retarded so that happens less
Well, I adjusted by not expecting to become a fucking Casanova, but for you there's no other option and everyone has to "get out of the shell" apparently
>>34391048
>Am I supposed to know shit?
I'm repeating it from the beginning, I'm not a complete fedora 5th chin slob who never saw the light. You just assumed a lot of shit
>shy people are fucking everywhere
How many have those features, and are near me? 0
>go pedo mode
Lmao
>somewhere that's not a fucking place you're forced to go to (school, university, work)
I don't go in any place if I'm not forced to desu
>Actually get to know people beyond surface level shit, by talking to them with honesty
Out of my capabilities I fear

>>34391073
>what the fuck do you even mean by energy
Try to see it as a negative, since that way makes more sense. What activity makes you exhausted and pray to be the fuck away from it asap? If that energy draining action is being at a party surrounded by noisy people, you're an introvert. If it's being alone with your thoughts, you're an extrovert. Simple as

>>34390978
>My biggest fear is to appear something I'm not
I have news for you: literally everyone misreads and misunderstands everyone else. You appear to others to be something you are not each and every day of your life.
Congratulations. You're facing your biggest fear. You're welcome.

Also, go watch the Back to Future trilogy on repeat until you figure out why I suggested it.

>>34391186
>I don't go in any place if I'm not forced to desu
>Out of my capabilities I fear
And so, nothing will ever improve for you. Ever.

Alternatively, you could try to expand your capabilities and go outside your comfort zone. But positive results are not guaranteed and therefore many choose stagnation instead. Just do so with open eyes.

>>34391080
>have le sex meme
Lmao
>they're just two dances
One is obscene, lowering the human to its worst side, the other one is elegant, raising the human above its faults to try to reach perfection. Just say you can't into Faustian Spirit ffs, if you can't see this.
>>34391082
I actually thought about all of this anon. I kmow the street wher eshe lives with her parents because she named it once, but remembering it would be as creepy as looking it up online desu. One relative of her works in the same company, so I also have that connection available. But as you already noticed, all those beau geste things that were so cool 100 years ago, now make you a predator/creep/stalker. It's ogre
>>34391121
>You would still be you and not have done literally anything.
>t. blind guy who didn't notice how society has fallen since the 60s and the rise of the incel pandemic
Ok man, keep dreaming
>Not likely but you'll probably still remember her and think of her.
Not very comforting, fugg
>Similar things
Well, at least your stories give an example of how much time it takes to overcome this fucking crippling sensation. It seems I'm still in the terms, being less than a year

>>34391186
Sample size of girls you actually got to know: 0

>0 content profile with no picture, without a message she'll just think it's an indian bot. And I found her because I know her name, duh
Then put some shit on your profile that she can identify you dingus, she put her name so you put yours, don't tell me she doesn't know your name or forgot who you are already yeah I wouldn't be surprised guy who doesn't get to know people or let others get to know him

>Well, I adjusted by not expecting to become a fucking Casanova, but for you there's no other option and everyone has to "get out of the shell" apparently
Who the fuck told you to be Casanova, the only thing we told you to do is fucking try, and have the balls to risk failure

>I'm repeating it from the beginning, I'm not a complete fedora 5th chin slob who never saw the light. You just assumed a lot of shit
From your post and lack of social experience it's not hard to assume those things. Of course I'll assume those things, and it's up to you to prove otherwise, which you haven't really done so

>How many have those features, and are near me? 0
So go near them, instead of the same bedroom to work to bedroom talking to same 5 people shit that you do

>I don't go in any place if I'm not forced to desu
Then miss out on all the opportunities and don't cry about it cuz that was what you chose for yourself, your fault your responsibility

>Out of my capabilities I fear
So you can talk honestly on here on 4chan, but not to IRL people you know? Coward

>>34391240
>literally everyone misreads and misunderstands everyone else
There's a difference between being misread as indifferent/ frozen hearted/ snobby, and being misread as a predator/ creep/ weirdo freak
>Also, go watch the Back to Future trilogy on repeat until you figure out why I suggested it.
I kmow those movies but can't get what you're suggesting. Is that about McFly being a pussy and having a shit life until he punches Biff in the face?
>>34391261
I don't really know where to go or what to do. I'm definitely not going alone to a pub looking at the bottom of an empty glass hoping for some human interaction to happen like a loser

>>34391198
>Try to see it as a negative, since that way makes more sense. What activity makes you exhausted and pray to be the fuck away from it asap? If that energy draining action is being at a party surrounded by noisy people, you're an introvert. If it's being alone with your thoughts, you're an extrovert. Simple as
It's not that simple did you not read my post. If being at a party helps my goals, like maybe someone I want to get closer to and be partners with is there, then sure I'll gain some energy because I want to make something happen with them. Or maybe I just want to find someone in the party and meet new people. If I already have a partner, then no I don't want to go to a stupid fucking useless party where I get zero utility out of it and talk to people uselessly, that will drain my energy. See how intent, purpose, context, goals change the entire reaction to the exact same variables? I can be alone with my thoughts 24/7 ez, but if I need to actually get out there to progress my goals, then I'll fucking go and not waste time mentally masturbation to retarded shit

>One is obscene, lowering the human to its worst side, the other one is elegant, raising the human above its faults to try to reach perfection. Just say you can't into Faustian Spirit ffs, if you can't see this.
Not in every context? Maybe having a bitch twerk on your dick in bedroom actually feels pretty good for both of you? I'm not the one who can't into whatever your pretentious shit is, I just see the beauty in everything, whether it's some elegant ballet or somebody who's sexually skilled. They're just different, it's not better or worse. The only thing I'd say is that one is underrated and the other is overrated. To the sex maniac idiots, the ballet is underrated and the sex skills are overrated. To you, the ballet is overrated and the sex skills are underrated. Both have their own appeals in their own contexts, but both of you morons from each extreme of the spectrum misrepresent value

>>34391279
>all those beau geste things that were so cool 100 years ago, now make you a predator/creep/stalker. It's ogre

You'd look just as creepy 100 years ago as you do now, the woman just wouldn't have much say in it since it's going to be decided by her family more than by her. It really shouldn't stop you though. Just fucking do it, look creepy in front of her. You either get a hard no so you can move onto something else or you get a yes in which you can progress from there, either way is progression. Better than continuing to live your boring ass life where you do nothing but wank off to how superior you are to le normies because you don't engage in coitus

>>34391299
>Sample size of girls you actually got to know: 0
Yet from that 0, only one made me feel that way, the others didn't.
>don't tell me she doesn't know your name or forgot who you are already
I doubt she knows my surname desu
>the only thing we told you to do is fucking try, and have the balls to risk failure
Why don't you tell the lardass to try pole vaulting then?
>it's up to you to prove otherwise
Are you asking for a picture anon? Weird!
>So go near them
The point is that I can't fucking go near them with a plausible reason except going out of the blue to them feeling like a fucking weirdo and embarassing myself like a low IQ clueless nigga
>your fault your responsibility
Not 100%, as we agreed on how society was subverted. Or maybe you think that the large number of people with this issues are just suddenly at fault, while in the past they weren't for some magical reason
>So you can talk honestly on here on 4chan, but not to IRL people you know? Coward
On 4chan you can post a picture of your dick (or even worse) and nobody would bat an eye. Would you go around irl showing your dick to people expecting the same reaction?
>>34391324
>then no I don't want to go to a stupid fucking useless party
Yeah, so you don't like the party and find it obnoxious, that means you feel it as an energy draining activity, not worth it if not supported by some utilitarian goal. Thanks for proving my point
>They're just different, it's not better or worse
Obviously I'm not with you on this one. Shit is not equal to chocolate, no matter what. But this isn't the point, fair enough. The point is the lack of context of modernity. As you said, twerk is only acceptable in a secluded bedroom during sex, not certainly to be displayed in public

>>34391279
>society has fallen since the 60s and the rise of the incel pandemic
I will say it again. Pay attention this time:
>You are responsible for how you respond to life.

The incel epidemic is literally caused by the incels themselves. Not anything else.
Expecting the world to change to make your life better is part of the problem of the last few decades.
Marketing was codified and started constantly lying to consumers and jackasses started believing that the world could be their oyster like the ads said and if it wasn't, then that was unfair.

Childhood cancer and explaining to a little girl that's why she's never going to reach puberty is unfair.
Having to actually talk to and get to know people in order to find one who likes you isn't unfair.

>>34391300
>indifferent/ frozen hearted/ snobby, and being misread as a predator/ creep/ weirdo freak
Honestly there's little difference. Both are just someone who's a waste of time to engage with. Don't know why you seem to actually prize being cold and pretentious. Is that attitude meant to help you achieve some esoteric goal of yours?

>looking at the bottom of an empty glass hoping for some human interaction to happen like a loser
You don't fucking hope, you fucking look at the people around you, notice shit, then go up to one and start a conversation using the shit you noticed. You don't look at the floor and wait for someone to come up to you and talk to you

>>34391361
>You'd look just as creepy 100 years ago as you do now
BULLSHIT. They lived in a society that highlighted honor and courtship, and those are actually decent and appreciated moves. Then the "decostructionist" bitches came and started to say "that's patriarchy" "that's oppression" "that's something a creep would do, not good" "Dante was actually a stalker to Beatrice, he was basically raping her while writing the Divine Comedy"... and so on
>You either get a hard no
If by hard no you mean be publicly shamed as a creep, having to endure that mark forever, well I prefer the limbo
>>34391382
So you can't into cause and effect? Ugh
>>34391385
>Both are just someone who's a waste of time to engage with
No, one is that, the other is a fucking menace to avoid at all costs. Know the difference

>>34391380
>Yet from that 0, only one made me feel that way, the others didn't.
Yeah because you make 10 billion assumptions and don't test any of them. You create some elaborate fantasy out of 1 trait that can mean something entirely different to the fantasy you made out of it. Just because you feel something doesn't make it correct. You test if it's true or not, which you haven't done so.

>Why don't you tell the lardass to try pole vaulting then
I'd probably tell them to go get up their fat ass, which is exactly what trying is

>I doubt she knows my surname desu
Sure then put a photo, hell put a message in your bio or whatever gay Instashit you can do to send the message across. Or do those other methods you came across. Once there's actually nothing left to do then you can have a cry then go next.

>The point is that I can't fucking go near them with a plausible reason except going out of the blue to them feeling like a fucking weirdo and embarassing myself like a low IQ clueless nigga
I have news for you. The only fucking way you're going to get near any of these people is to risk looking like a dumb clueless low IQ whatever retarded labels you want to slap on. It's the fucking price you're gonna have to pay if you want to make any meaningful connections. And actually, there are "safer" ways like just participating in extra-curricular shit or whatever where there will be more plausible reasons to break the ice. But you have to go find them yourself you faggot. The internet exists, go find anything that will get you amongst a bunch of other people amongst a common activity or whatever

>On 4chan you can post a picture of your dick (or even worse) and nobody would bat an eye. Would you go around irl showing your dick to people expecting the same reaction
If the conversation went there, sure, wouldn't give a fuck to be honest. Telling someone your honest thoughts is not on the same level as showing your genitals (which is actually breaking the law in some places)

>>34391380
>Not 100%, as we agreed on how society was subverted. Or maybe you think that the large number of people with this issues are just suddenly at fault, while in the past they weren't for some magical reason
You think involuntarily celibate people didn't exist in the past? You think the past was just sunshine and rainbows or some shit? Fucking educate yourself. Society was just as fuckign subverted in the past as it is now, just in a different way.

People with what issues? What even is your issue? I thought you were mighty perfect and above all normies? You have issues? No fucking way

>Are you asking for a picture anon? Weird
How is that weird? People post their mug on 4chan all the time, as you said, nobody fucking cares on here (or anywhere really, unless you're some micro celeb or some shit even then who would care)

>Yeah, so you don't like the party and find it obnoxious, that means you feel it as an energy draining activity, not worth it if not supported by some utilitarian goal. Thanks for proving my point
No, if I have a utilitarian goal, the party is not draining anymore, I have energy for it and even have space to enjoy it because it's valid progression towards my goals

>The point is the lack of context of modernity. As you said, twerk is only acceptable in a secluded bedroom during sex, not certainly to be displayed in public
And most people don't twerk in public? Maybe as a joke at most. Unless you're going to some dingy club but that doesn't represent our entire society, just some subset. At most you see twerking in some pop culture mediashit where it's a bit on the nose and annoying but that doesn't represent the actual people around you, just the mediashit propagated by whoever. Like what is the actual worst thing, or these extremely vulgar things you seem to be encountering non-stop when you engage with "normies"?

>>34391394
Holy shit.
You are nowhere as smart, knowledgeable, or correct as you imagine you are. Reconsider how perfect your understanding of everything is and how important being "right" is versus actually being happy.

---

The saddest thing in life is wasted talent:

Wasted talent in these hands of mine
I Could've built us a paradise
But I kept them locked away from sight
Waiting for someone to recognize
That I was more than siege and war
More than breaking down your doors

But I never said it, never let it show
Just sat in silence and let resentment grow
Counted slights like ammunition
Built resentment like foundations

Wasted talent in these hands of mine
Could've built you worlds
instead I watched them die
All that genius turned to spite and rage
and I'm the one who built my own cage
Iron within, iron without
Iron within, iron without

Decimation
calculation
Cold equations
desolation

I won every battle He asked me to fight
But lost myself in proving I was right
In every hand I didn't take
In every bond I chose to break
In a tomb now, iron made
I see every chance I let fade

Don't make my mistakes
don't build my walls
The gifted die alone
when pride's their only call

Wasted talent in these hands of mine
I Could've built us a paradise
But I burned it all just to spite your eyes
yeah I burned it all just to prove I'm right

Child, I see you standing there
With all that brilliance, unaware
Please don't follow where I fell
Don't build yourself a private hell

Don't waste it
Iron within
Don't waste it
Iron within
Don't waste it
Iron within
Don't waste it
Iron without

>>34391394
>BULLSHIT. They lived in a society that highlighted honor and courtship, and those are actually decent and appreciated moves.
And did you ignore that the woman has no say and could very well find you creepy as fuck but not be able to do anything because their family and povvo circumstances decides what'll happen?

>Then the "decostructionist" bitches came and started to say "that's patriarchy" "that's oppression" "that's something a creep would do, not good" "Dante was actually a stalker to Beatrice, he was basically raping her while writing the Divine Comedy"... and so on
Who fucking cares what Dante wrote and what some fags think about this or that in their fag literary circle. We're talking about the average citizen in society and not some fag writers in their ivory towers jerking each other off

>If by hard no you mean be publicly shamed as a creep, having to endure that mark forever, well I prefer the limbo
No I meant a hard direct NO from HER you idiot. Who the fuck cares what the people surrounding think, for the millionth fucking time. And forever? Who the fuck is thinking about you after like maybe a day of laughing at you.

>No, one is that, the other is a fucking menace to avoid at all costs. Know the difference
No, both are worthy of entirely avoiding. The creepy weirdo freak might even be worth keeping around for the entertainment at least, and maybe teaching them a few things if they're actually open to it and watching them grow

I ceebs, bump limit soon, so I plugged this thread into Google Gemini AI and here's what it said. Now fuck the hell off

Based on the thread provided, here is an analysis of what is "right" (valid feelings or logical points) and what is "wrong" (distortions, self-sabotage, or factual errors) about the OP's perspective.

What is "Right" about OP

Authenticity of Feeling: OP is experiencing a genuine, intense emotional reaction that he describes as "soul-crushing impotence" and a level of tenderness he has never felt before. Whether or not the girl is "the one," his internal experience of the "click" is a real psychological phenomenon.

Observational Empathy: OP correctly identified that the girl was uncomfortable being pressured by coworkers to "get out of her shell". His instinct to protect her from this social pressure shows a baseline level of empathy and shared experience, as he also identifies as a "sperg" (autistic).

Self-Awareness of Limitations: He is honest about his own social ineptitude, calling himself a "stuck up sperg retard" and admitting that he struggles to catch social hints until long after the fact.

Internal Consistency: Within his own worldview, his hesitation makes sense. He fears being labeled a "creep" or ruining a professional environment, especially since he works with a relative of the girl.

>>34391724
What is "Wrong" about OP

Severe Pedestalization (Halo Effect): As several commenters point out, OP is in love with an "idea" of the girl rather than the person herself. He only knew her for a month in a limited office setting, yet he has projected an entire life story and "soulmate" status onto her.

Externalizing Blame: OP blames "boomers" and societal shifts for his inability to act, claiming that a century ago he could have easily made an "honorable move". This ignores the reality that even in the past, social success required the same "balls" and initiative he currently lacks.

Defensive Stagnation: He uses his fear of being a "creep" as a total shield against taking any action. Commenters note that asking a coworker out respectfully—especially on her last day—does not lead to "stalking lawsuits," and his refusal to even try is a form of "fear of failure" disguised as moral superiority.

Fatalistic Thinking: OP views this girl as a "one in a million" statistical error that will never happen again. This "it never began" mentality prevents him from learning from the experience to be more prepared for future opportunities.

Cognitive Distortions: He experiences "Sehnsucht" (intense longing) and "Werther's depression," finding a "perverted pleasure" in his own pain. This suggests he is more attached to the feeling of tragic longing than he is to the actual goal of having a relationship.

Potential Savior Complex: One commenter suggests OP has a "paternal cross-wiring," seeing the girl as a "damsel in distress" he needs to rescue, which may be a projection of his own desire to be rescued from his isolation

>>34391727
The commenters in the thread generally fall into three camps: the "Hard Truth" realists, the "Empathetic Skeptics," and the "Nihilists." Here is a breakdown of what is logically sound and what is flawed in their perspectives:

1. The "Hard Truth" Realists (The "Just Ask Her" Crowd)

What they get right:

Action over Agony: They correctly point out that OP is trapped in "analysis paralysis." Their core argument—that a polite, private rejection is significantly less damaging than a lifetime of "what ifs"—is logically sound.

Demystifying the "Creep" Label: They rightly argue that OP is inflating the social consequences of rejection. In a professional setting, a brief, respectful request for a coffee or a phone number on someone's last day is rarely considered "harassment" or "creepy" unless it is persistent or aggressive.

The Pedestal Critique: They accurately diagnose OP as being in love with a "ghost" or a projection. By pointing out that he doesn't actually know her, they are attempting to ground him in reality.

What they get wrong:

Oversimplification of Neurodivergence: They often ignore that OP identifies as having social deficits (the "sperg" factor). Telling someone who lacks social intuition to "just be normal" is like telling someone with a broken leg to "just walk it off."

Aggressive Delivery: By calling OP "retarded" or "pathetic," they trigger his defensive mechanisms, making him more likely to retreat into his "limbo" rather than take their advice.

>>34391743
2. The "Social/Historical" Analysts (The "Modernity" Debaters)

What they get right:

Contextualizing Social Friction: Some commenters acknowledge that modern social rules are more ambiguous and that "cold approaching" in a post-HR-centric world feels higher-stakes than it used to. They validate that OP’s fear isn’t entirely fabricated, even if it is exaggerated.

Power Dynamics: One commenter wisely points out that OP was actually in a position of relative power (his relative owns the company), which makes his "fear" of the girl even more irrational from an outside perspective.

What they get wrong:

Historical Revisionism: The idea that there was a "golden age" where OP could have easily secured this girl without effort is a fantasy. Even in traditional societies, men had to demonstrate initiative, social standing, and courage to "claim" a partner.

Fatalism: They reinforce the idea that "it’s over" because of the current state of the world, which gives OP a convenient excuse to never try again.

3. The "Empathetic Skeptics" (The "Rescue" Analysts)

What they get right:

The Savior Complex Diagnosis: A few commenters correctly identify that OP is attracted to her vulnerability. They point out that he saw her "suffering" under the social pressure of the office and felt a protective urge. They rightly suggest this might be a projection of his own desire to be protected or "seen."

Identifying the "Limerence": They recognize that OP is experiencing limerence (an involuntary state of intense romantic infatuation) rather than a stable, mature love.

What they get wrong:

Over-pathologizing: Some suggest he has "paternal cross-wiring" or deep psychological damage just because he felt a strong spark. While his reaction is extreme, feeling a "click" with someone who shares your social struggles is a common human experience, not necessarily a sign of a deep-seated disorder.