>>34373230
Are you White?

>>34373230
You’re not humble or horny enough

>>34373231
Yes, 100% white.

Your standards are too high and I don’t believe you actually do whatever you can to get a girl. When was the last time you went out to a bar to hit on girls? When was the last time you read a book by a pickup artist. How much effort do you put into dating apps. How much effort do you put into your appearance? Etc. if you are actually doing everything in your power and you have reasonable standards then you should be getting girls. Only the most genetically cursed autistic fucks can fail if they meet those conditions. And given your typing you are not low IQ and retarded enough for the problem to be like a defective brain or whatever.

>>34373251
>Your standards are too high
They aren't. I would say most women I've known throughout my life were at least somewhat attractive to me. The women who I DON'T like were either incredibly weird looking in some way (which is a tiny minority of women IMO), or they had personality clashes with me which meant I couldn't consider them as an option.

I don't have much of a physical "type", I've been attracted to women of all races, heights, sizes and subcultures. But generally I prefer women who look normal and relatable, rather than "Instagram model" types.

>When was the last time you went out to a bar to hit on girls?
Years ago. However, between the years 2014 to 2021 I did that CONSTANTLY. Not once at a bar did any woman ever show any sign of romantic interest in me.

>When was the last time you read a book by a pickup artist.
Never, because I'm repulsed by that kind of stuff.

>How much effort do you put into dating apps.
I've only used Tinder a few times, with the last time being 6 years ago. I got a few matches and even some girls who tried to arrange dates, but I got terrified that they might hate me if they met me IRL so I pussied out and eventually deleted my account.

>How much effort do you put into your appearance?
A lot, I am extremely conscious of my fashion and try to stay in good shape. A lot of female friends over the years have complimented me on my dress sense and told me that I smell really nice, etc. I think I try really hard.

>Only the most genetically cursed autistic fucks can fail if they meet those conditions.
I honestly believe I was cursed by God at birth to be permanently unattractive to all women. There doesn't seem to be any other explanation. I've known severely-autistic guys who were pretty ugly looking and smelled like BO 24/7, and even they could get GFs easily without even trying. And yet I can't? It just makes no sense.

>>34373241
Get a non-White girlfriend. Go on a dating app, and you should be able to accomplish this.

Lose weight if you are fat. Grow your hair out.

>>34373273
No women of any race have ever shown any romantic attraction towards me. Not white, not black, not mixed, not Asian, not Indian, not Middle-Eastern. None. I don't think race has anything to do with it whatsoever.

>>34373279
You’re wrong, trust me. I have experience with this.

Get lean and grow your hair out. Go on dating apps or go to social gatherings with women present.

>>34373293
>or go to social gatherings with women present.
I have been to literally 1000s of social gatherings in my life. House parties, bars, clubs, sports events, you name it, I've been absolutely everywhere where men and women mix and I've done it countless times. No matter how many times I do it there's never a woman that flirts with me or expresses any form of romantic interest in me. It's like I'm just romantically/sexually invisible to all women.

>>34373298
You need to initiate obviously.

>>34373301
How can I initiate when women don't give me anything to work with? They don't ever flirt with me or ever indicate they even view me as a romantic option. What do you expect me to do? Just walk up to random women and start flirting and asking them out without even being prompted to do so?

I don't want to be viewed as a creep or as a sexual predator of some kind. I really don't.

>>34373312
If she’s into you, it will work. Only way to find out is to try.

I’m being so serious when I say that you should just target non-White women. I guarantee if you approach them, the majority of them will be receptive to your attention. Literally just walk up and say “Hey, I think you are cute, can I have your number?”

>>34373323
>If she’s into you, it will work. Only way to find out is to try.
But that's just gambling. I don't want to gamble on whether the woman I decided to approach likes me romantically or not.

>I’m being so serious when I say that you should just target non-White women. I guarantee if you approach them, the majority of them will be receptive to your attention.
I'm not a fetishist, I refuse to target women based off their race.
Also, like I said, I've known countless women of all races and none have expressed romantic interest towards me.

>>34373326
So you’re basically admitting that you are choosing to be alone? Then why come here to complain?

>>34373338
How exactly am I "choosing to be alone"?

Explain why it's my fault that women don't show any signs of romantic interest in me.

>>34373348
Not engaging anymore because you obviously aren’t interested in actually solving your “problem”. Keep feeling sorry for yourself I guess.

>>34373326
I'm you op, 1 to 1
>>34373338
I hate contrarists like this so much, go hug a crocodile

To OP:
I've been looking for the answer to this question for a long time
And I feel the same way about approaching as you do.
I think that men get chosen,
And initiating makes it easier to get chosen,
But it also often doesn't make sense to initiate,
And not everyone's cut out for it.

I believe that the answer, is your looks.
Gym, gym, gym
Move your body at home out of your comfort zone
Eat better
Dress like you bought those clothes yourself, put some effort into choosing
Brush teeth groom hairs, always have clean hair and body

Do that then find a community in your area and stage of life and I believe that the girls will come.

I know how hard it is man. I'm turning 30 in 3 months. I'm not khhv but trust me, the difference between us is little. I got my ex gf online, by adding literally 1000 people, until I found her. In a period of al several weeks on Reddit many many years ago. She cheated o n me after 5 years and is still with that guy. She actually moved countries for him. And the fucked up thing is - I moved countries for her. So I got royally, massively fucked.

I'm on the verge of giving up, on life as a whole. Apps did not work for me. But as a death rattle I've downloaded 6 apps, now that I'm thinner I actually got 1 real match.

I really think they are superficial like that bro. Superficial as fuck. Work on your looks. And if it doesn't work out, then I'll see you in heaven when I kill myself too

>>34373364
You didn't give me literally any advice. "Just approach random women like a sex-offender would" is not legitimate advice for my scenario.

>>34373369
>I believe that the answer, is your looks.
>Gym, gym, gym
>Move your body at home out of your comfort zone
>Eat better
>Dress like you bought those clothes yourself, put some effort into choosing
>Brush teeth groom hairs, always have clean hair and body
Did literally all of this shit and have done so for over a decade by this point.

I'm really tired of people assuming that because I am a kissless dateless virgin, that must mean I'm some kind of fat sweaty hideous slob that never goes outside. I'm a normal guy. Women just aren't interested in me as a romantic partner for whatever unknown, arcane reason.

>>34373381
I'm sad to hear that man. I believe you. I believe you that you're just a normal guy that doesn't get any attention from women and it sucks. I'm trying to think from here on out as if it's me, because I'm not fat anymore I lost weight and I look good now just not athletic or anything and I'm still not getting any interest, so here's what I'm thinking are the possibilities:
1) suicide, really sucks but tbf if you can't have it now you won't have it later, that's my mindset about myself too
2) try a total change of the self. Deviate entirely from who you think you are. Be the jerk, be the idiot, say the cringy words that you don't mean. Say shit just to say it cuz it's free. Simultaneously, lower your standards a bunch

2 doesn't seem like such a great option to me to be fair, but 1 isn't easy to do. I'm as stuck as you are.

>>34373431
>suicide, really sucks but tbf if you can't have it now you won't have it later, that's my mindset about myself too
How do you expect me to take you seriously when you say shit like this?

>>34373504
If you haven't gotten there yet, good on you, but a girl can absolutely ruin you as a person, mine did, and combine that with parents who met each other through family and never talked about relationships with me and you got me.
I also live completely alone, in a different country that she brought me to, struggling with all this romantic loneliness. So yeah, the ideation of suicide itself didn't come into my mind until the last couple months, I've always had this excitement for life, even in my worst moments, and now I recently lost that, which feels like I lost who I am as a person, and with the death of who I am I feel like there's no restoring that, and that makes me think that I might as well go

I hope you don't make it to my position and keep your happiness. Also, I'm probably the best reply you're gonna get out of this thread because no one actually knows what's wrong with you and what's wrong with the environment you live in and what's wrong with the people you share it with. All I can tell you is generic important advice about taking care of yourself, but if you say you already do that then my next best advice like I said, is to try a complete change of who you think you are, and be that guy who you cringe about at night when you think about how he said this and that to girls. Channel your inner Indian, those guys have zero fear or consideration for the other. They're just walking cocks looking to release their cum. Sometimes I envy them, but I was raised to be civilized, so unfortunately I respect women, which got me just about nothing.

>I do everything in my power to attract women
You obviously do not.

>>34373298
I think you're just autistic.

>>34373381
I'm in the exact spot as you and people assuming you don't try is the worst. Doesn't matter if you do anything in your power from obsessing over being /fit/ to signing up to groups and hobby classes when most people do fuckall and somehow got a gf by 17. Kick me while you're down while you're at it. People are so vicious when it comes to people like us.

>>34373230
Having low self worth and fragile self esteem shows that you are at the bottom of the ladder and with lay their complaining. Look inward

Sounds like self sabotage. I do it too 34 Virgin.

>>34373375
are you retarded? sex offenders don't approach women, they just charm and rape them. no wonder you're fucking alone lol
>>34373381
>normal guy
ahhh, there's your answer. that's the normie answer for "I'm boring and uninteresting". women don't want to be bored.

>>34373230
>Why am I the only man who ended up as a kissless dateless handholdless virgin at 30 years old?
You're not, not even on this board.
>yet they all got GFs and/or had relations with women without even trying
Doubt. You have no idea what any of them did or did not do.
>Meanwhile I do everything in my power
Again, doubt.
>to attract women
Ah ha, and there it is. Your whole approach is completely passive. You're more concerned with doing whatever you think will make women just come to you instead of going after them. And you wonder why it hasn't worked.

>>34373272
>but I got terrified that they might hate me if they met me IRL so I pussied out and eventually deleted my account.
Ok OP, this is not "doing everything in my power to meet women", this is the exact opposite of that and self-sabotaging completely.
A little more honesty in your original post next time please.

>>34374507
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>>34373251
> went out to a bar to hit on girls
>book by a pickup artist
>dating apps
get a load of this fucking faggot.

>>34373369
Reminds me of a girl I know who is miserable where she is and who she is with and constantly looking for something to distract her from how much she hates everything around her

>>34374828
this would probably for causal hookups and nothing else. You shouldn't look for a wife in a bar

>>34374520
what is not "boring and uninteresting" to women?

>>34373230
>Meanwhile I do everything in my power to attract women and don't receive even a single sign of romantic attraction. What did I do wrong?
false. you need to work on your social skills. unattractive men can get gf's as you have noticed, great, that tells you something: the key is something else. the key is in flirting, keeping frame (that means taking the lead), social skills, being fun and playful but also serious.
something i learnt is simply play hard to get, never give her everything she wants, then she is done with you. don't reply super fast. don't message her a lot. don't be so attentive. they say they want a nice attentive man but then date people who are not, so again, great, that tells you something, don't be a simp, but don't be a jerk either, jerks just happen to do what i'm saying while also being jerks. you need to take the useful parts of what they do and leave out the shitty parts.

>>34374486
>Having low self worth and fragile self esteem shows that you are at the bottom of the ladder
I've known men who were much more depressive than I am and yet they still got GFs with ease. One of my best friends in university was a guy who was fat, balding, had rotting teeth, and used to regularly have mental breakdowns where he'd scream, punch the walls and threaten to kill himself. He had a long-term GF for several years who never broke up with him in the time I knew him. What does someone like that have that I don't, exactly?

>>34374520
>ahhh, there's your answer. that's the normie answer for "I'm boring and uninteresting". women don't want to be bored.
I've known countless extremely boring men who still got GFs without even trying.

>>34374522
>You're not, not even on this board.
Most people on 4chan who call themselves "incels" turn out to have already had GFs or past sexual relations with women, they just hate women so they call themselves "incel" as an ideological term.

This is why I insist on calling myself a kissless dateless handholdless virgin (the classical term we used to use back in 2012 and earlier), because it accurately describes my life situation without any unnecessary political baggage.

>Doubt. You have no idea what any of them did or did not do.
I do. I asked my male friends how they got their GFs. Every single one of them told me something to the effect of "I dunno bro, I just met her at *insert event here* and things just happened". Why don't things ever "Just Happen" for me?

>>34374523
>Ok OP, this is not "doing everything in my power to meet women", this is the exact opposite of that and self-sabotaging completely.
How is it self-sabotage? There was an extremely solid chance that if I'd met up with those girls they would've disliked my personality IRL. Just because they thought I was physically attractive doesn't mean they'd actually want to date me. Most Tinder matches do not result in successful relationships.

>>34374828
>fucking girls makes you a faggot

>>34374905
Plenty of normal girls go to bars. They get dragged there because its their friends birthday or a group of coworkers wants to go get a drink afterwords or whatever. Most of you are shut-in incel freaks who think bars are like this scary place full of alcoholics and hookers and gangsters. Just cartoonish shit

>>34376039
>Most people on 4chan who call themselves "incels" turn out to have already had GFs or past sexual relations with women, they just hate women so they call themselves "incel"
Maybe, I don't really have a horse in that race. But having had sex or a gf in the past does not necessarily disqualify someone from being an incel today, if they want those things and can no longer get them for whatever reason.
>"I dunno bro, I just met her at *insert event here* and things just happened". Why don't things ever "Just Happen" for me?
What your bro leaves out (because it's supposed to go without saying) is that he also actually talked to her, and they hit it off. When was the last time you talked to a woman?
>There was an extremely solid chance that if I'd met up with those girls they would've disliked my personality IRL
Well, whose fault would that be? You might be right. But, how is deliberately cultivating such a repellant personality and making no attempts to change it *not* a form of self-sabotage?
>Just because they thought I was physically attractive doesn't mean they'd actually want to date me
True, first thing you've said I agree with. Tinder is a hookup app, not a "find love" app. That being said, you can leverage that into some actual experience. If you're just going to chicken out and ghost them, why even bother using the app to begin with?

>>34376058
>Most of you are shut-in incel freaks who think bars are like this scary place full of alcoholics and hookers and gangsters. Just cartoonish shit
Hell, I wish bars were more like that. That would be interesting.
Instead you go to most bars and it's nothing but normal boring people having a drink or two and going about their usual ho-hum lives. For shut-in incels though, this premise is terrifying.

>>34376065
lol I used to go to a biker bar and it was pretty fucking fun. And pretty much every moderately sized city will have a strip club like this.

>>34373272
>but I got terrified that they might hate me if they met me IRL so I pussied out and eventually deleted my account.
So there's your problem. You sabotage yourself. Fix that before anything else.

>>34373279
>No women of any race have ever shown any romantic attraction towards me.
Except the ones on tinder that tried to arrange date.

Why the lies?

I am 30 and only had one girlfriend, my only sexual partner. I want to have a man whore phase this summer though

>>34376102
>just go to the personality shop and get a new personality, bro

>>34376058
>>bar
>>book by a pickup artist
>>dating apps
>fucking girls
lmao

>>34376061
>But having had sex or a gf in the past does not necessarily disqualify someone from being an incel today, if they want those things and can no longer get them for whatever reason.
But it DOES mean they are nowhere near my level of desperation.

I cannot get a girlfriend or even a single date at any stage of my life no matter what I do. I surely am the most sad, downtrodden, mistreated man on the entirety of this website.

>When was the last time you talked to a woman?
Literally 1000s upon 1000s of times in my life. The problem is that literally 0 women ever show romantic interest in me.

>But, how is deliberately cultivating such a repellant personality
I didn't do that.

>>34376102
>So there's your problem. You sabotage yourself.
I didn't sabotage myself. I am understandably wary that women would be repulsed by me if they met me IRL. Women are much more concerned about personalities than they are about looks. It doesn't matter if they think I'm physically attractive, because they might find me - as a person - repulsive.

>>34374520
While "sex offender" is overkill, the advice you gave would almost certainly get him labeled as creepy.

>>34376114
We all do, anon. It's far easier to be a whore than a man whore.

>>34376039
>Why don't things ever "Just Happen" for me?

because that's simply the nature of events unfolding. i'm in the same boat. Neither of us has perfect knowledge on what set of circumstances that would lead us to be in a relationship.

>>34376058
>Most of you are shut-in incel freaks who think bars are like this scary place full of alcoholics and hookers and gangsters. Just cartoonish shit
nah as a previous regular pub-goer its most fellas drinking. women of value don't hang out with men going nowhere in life.


>>34380522
> The problem is that literally 0 women ever show romantic interest in me.

My two cents on this situation of yours OP, is that you have had 0 women show romantic interest in you in a direct way that you've observed. desu i hate it as well. and yeah fair call not wanting to repulse women, it has a compounding effect and you can get a bad rep in small ponds like work, school, social clubs ect. telling you to just approach as many random women as possible as bad advice and doesn't consider other variables than "duuh approach more women, bigger numbers better". But I guess the cost of that is that you'll miss out on a lot of potential connections that won't occur otherwise. have you tried asking your friends to set you up on a date? or do they not have a wide circle of female friends?

>>34373230
I will tell you what MY deal is, because I have no apparent defects.

I'm always stressed because nothing in life went normal, I had overprotective parents disconnecting me from the world, I studied hard shit that left no room to be vulnerable, lived in a dangerous shithole so I was always on permanent curfew.

I spent so much time thinking on what's the right thing, when's the right window, that when women look at me just see a sack of problems, just like they are. Women want to forget about problems and laugh.

Here's what you should do in a nutshell
>Stop having problems bro

35 year old KHHV here. You're not alone

i've never had a woman show interest in me irl but when I made a dating app account it was relatively easy to find a date. maybe about a month of swiping.

I'm a very VERY niche person to date too (cis straight femboy).

Imo the main factor was moving to a city, I would never have gotten a gf if I stayed in my fuckass small town.