I just see women as problems that you put up with for sexual access? How do you see them? How did you come to that view point?
>>34377966I don't believe that true love exists, since women can do a complete 180 on you overnight if you make too many mistakes. So I would try to avoid getting emotionally attached to anyone, and have sex if you want but treat it as a hobby more than anything. Ironically they much prefer men who have this mindset than any man who is in love with her.
>>34377966Women are beautiful and also can be a huge source of heartbreak and stress, but the highest highs justify the risk of the lowest lows. My viewpoint comes from actually being around, talking to, and dating women. I can imagine where yours comes from.
>>34377966humans are just problems that you tolerate for mammalian satisfaction you're a different set of problems to women, get over it
>>34377966When I was 12 or so and a total virgin I devoured sex-help books in the library just for the cheap thrills, but I discovered something no one had ever told me and that changed my thinking entirely: GIRLS LIKE IT TOO. From that point my entire concept of sex and love changed from something you took to something you gave - and even better, shared. I don't look to girls to get sex from them, but to have the opportunity for both of us to be made happy.Let's put it another way: By the time he encounters his first naked female, a guy will have had literally thousands of self-induced orgasms. As enjoyable as they are, they are a known quantity, with few surprises. But a woman's arousal and orgasm are infinitely fascinating, especially if you are part of the process.
>>34377966And if you don’t like it then she will tell everyone you raped her. Enjoy your male privilege (:
>>34378541Based. Wish I had read that when I was 16, instead of a completely useless alpha red pill that ironically just cemented my false idea of women as the "gatekeepers of sex"
>>34378320How did you turn out a normie and still browse 4chan?
>>34378566>How did you turn out a normie and still browse 4chan?
Sexual access isn't even worth it if you're cut.
>>34377966My last 2 relationships proved to me that you can never truly love a woman. You can like her to the highest degree but the moment she senses you love her? Thats where the idea is planted that she no longer has to try or appear as someone who truly loves you back. I've had women act like cunts when 3 weeks into the relationship she said she loves following my orders, I've had women act out when in the first month they found it sexy that I would punch them like a man if they crossed me. Women lie, they change on a dime, and it's not worth my time to figure out what random roulette emotion she's feeling that day. At that point I can just get the occasional piece of ass from a random and be A ok.
>>34377966Hey I wrote that post lolIt's strange to me how so many guys mystify girls, they're just people.
>>34377966As someone to care for and in return be cared for. A person who provides support and helps me weather what life throws at me. Also having someone pretty to ogle is nice too.
>>34378757I have only cum from penetrating like a handful of times and I have to abstain from masturbation for weeks to make that happen. Being a cutfag is misery, I make my woman cum but we’ve been together a year I have only cum without pulling out and masturbating once
>>34378867It's because you don't understand the mechanism behind this and it's actually really really simple. Once you say "I love you" the surplus enjoyment disappears. In flirting and the chase there is a tension that is more then happiness it's a palpatable anxiety / tension / Intensity known clinically as surplus enjoyment. Once you close the gap and reach some kind of finality whether it's marriage official relationship status, I love you, finally do anal etc. the desire collapses, once you have something the surplus enjoyment from that intense circling of desire a resistance to close the gap a resistance to face the reality that the fantasy and the desire itself is much more tasty then the object itself. So flirting is keeping that tension alive, lust is keeping that emotion alive that tension and anxiety that turns to obsession ritual tweaking out and things such as this, poetry love letters etc. It comes from circling the desire, the fantasy of filling the inherit lack we are born into language with.
>>34377966>How do you see them?As people>How did you come to that view point?By not being autistic and spending time outside of my house. I love my mother and I got laid in high school and had girlfriends and a large social circle so I grew up normal. If I was terminally online and had an adversarial relationship with women and needed to build a cope in order to justify my dysfunction I'd probably feel differently.
>>34379171Why are you on 4chan then?
We really do over generalize with women. Yes they have less individuality and variance than men do but it’s still quite a lot. Some women are evil fucking demons. Some are really fucking sweet and a joy to be around.
>>34379023Bro you probably have erectile dysfunction or something there are millions of cut fags with no problem busting a nut from sex. Get some boner pills you retard
>>34379192>Why are you on 4chan then?I dunno really. It started as like a funny /b/ thing in high school and now I come here every once and awhile to remind myself that no matter how bad my life gets I'll never be as pathetic as the ghouls that exist in this place. When I think back to all of the really fun and meaningful times I've had with the women in my life the idea that I would ever "put up with them" for sexual access is so depressing. I can't imagine being that sad of a person.
>>34379251I stay hard the entire time though, I can have sex for an hour but if I want to cum I have to pull out and beat off that will only take a few seconds. I think I have death grip from masturbating too much, it is hard to abstain from masturbation to me though. I will say when I abstain I am much harder/larger and there is restored sensitivity I could cum in seconds from penetration. Sorry for the TMII am a few days ‘sober’ though from masturbation though so maybe there is hope for my sex life
>>34379267So you're just got lucky is what you're saying.
>>34379359If that's what you want to call it. I mean, not being born autistic is a form of luck I guess.
>>34379374So there's nothing special about your life, physical appearance, or circumstances
>>34379380Not that I can estimate. I didn't grow up particularly rich or attractive or with any other characteristic that meaningfully set me apart from my peers. I think the only thing that I've really relied on is my ability to socialize in literally any room. If you put me in any environment I can pretty successfully network and talk to people and come across fairly entertaining and charismatic. I have a large group of friends who invite me all sorts of places so I've gone to weddings abroad, festivals, birthdays, camping trips, nights out etc., I don't know if you'd consider consistent socialization some kind of special circumstance but its probably the main thing that's allowed me to get this far both professionally and with women. That and not being autistic.
No women = no problem
>>34379404So your circumstances are the reason
>>34378867You're starting the relationships in a certain way and being surprised that your relationships don't get better. You can't have a woman expect you to be dominating and disappointing her.
off-topic /r9k/ social tension twitter debate thread
>>34379500>>34379516What's wrong with my thread? I'm asking for legitimate advice.
>>34379669Woman can love but they switch it on and off pretty easily
>>34379485I guess but circumstances are everyone's reason. With different circumstances you're a different person. I wouldnt be the same person if my circumstances were being born filthy rich than if I were born in a village in Africa with nothing.
>>34380000Wow, you seem to understand happenstance, but still look down on others that didn't have similar circumstances to become the same type of person as you.
>>34380034>Wow, you seem to understand happenstanceThe nurture part of nature vs. nurture is a pretty universal influencing factor. You're just sarcastically stating a true and empirical reality and pretending like its some kind of gotcha. Some people are born with things others don't have and these shape their experiences and how they view the world. Regardless, these things aren't set in stone. If you want to call it "happenstance" to understand it better then go for it.>but still look down on others that didn't have similar circumstances to become the same type of person as youI don't blame people for their circumstances, I blame them for what they do about it. Its literally the equivalent to "I was born poor and my parents sucked so now my whole future sucks and there's nothing I can do". Like, I'm sorry you weren't born with better circumstances but if you think building a cope in which nothing is your fault is the solution then, I'm sorry, but you're weak. Everybody understands this.
>>34380084So anyone that doesn't happen to become the same type of person as you is in the wrong regardless of experiences or lack thereof?
>>34379487>>34379049Yall are both correct, that's why I'm not going down the same path if I ever give a fuck to seriously date again. As it stands I'm good on women for the time being cause I'm just tired, getting pussy is easy but I'm just out the game for now.
>>34378566I started browsing at 15 (32 now), so I just learned better to hide my power level as time went on, and I also grew up normally while still happening to be a 4channer
>>34380134I honestly have no clue what you're talking about. You're doing some wild projection that has nothing to do with what I'm saying.
>>34378557Ok, but they are gatekeepers of sex though. It's like hiring; even when a hiring manager needs to fill a position as much as you need a job, they're still there to gatekeep. That's their role in the process. And in the same vein, while "just be urself" is great interview advice if you're outgoing and hyper-qualified, if you're not then you need to learn some tricks and to spend some time figuring out how to approach them. That's what like 60% of redpill shit really is, under the hood.
>>34378557>>34380547You two can't be more wrong.
>>34380610What does alligator mating have to do with human sexuality?
>>34380615I don't want to save screenshots of human homos
>>34380547>Ok, but they are gatekeepers of sex thoughYeah but the caveat is that a great deal of the gates are made of twigs and all you have to do to open it is not be fucking retarded.
>>34378566I know you think everyone on 4chan is a sperg lord like you but yes man. Normal people can stumble across this site and find something appealing enough to stay. I'm 6'2 and have been getting pussy since I was 19, I also am a massive weirdo that loves to banter here and can hide my power level pretty well since most of my jobs were customer service.
>>34380620So your point is that gays have more sex? Yeah, that's because women are gatekeepers.
>>34380626Read what you wrote again and realize that women don't gatekeep sex. You can wave cash around and have sex if you want.Women gatekeep relationships
>>34380000God quads of truth, this man speaks FACTS incels.
>>34377966women have treated me good my whole life, my mother, my sister, my cousins, my older teachers, my classmates, my best friends, my gfs, my one night standsI only have a single female enemy, the rest of my enemies are men.in general I see them as better at listening, better at giving advice, better at understanding, more warm and kind, and of course having sex with them is mindblowing.I'm a man hater to be honest, most of my interactions with dudes have been horrible outside the small circle of good male friends I havewith girls I don't have this problem. I'm not even a chad, I'm just regular looking but I'm good at talking and kind to people around me.
>>34380674>Read what you wrote again and realize that women don't gatekeep sex.Homos removed the gatekeepers and ended up with more sex. That's expected with gatekeeping behavior. >You can wave cash around and have sex if you want.Payment is a form of gatekeeping, yes.
>>34380547I guess what I was trying to say is that, if you look at potential employers or at women that wayYou forget that it's ultimately about making a "deal" and you artificially put yourself in the position of a beggar
Sex is scary
>>34380686To be honest you just sound very low test and you probably treat other men like a catty bitch which is why you have so many male “enemies”
>>34380610>animals in captivity do weird shit they wouldn't do normallyyou don't say
It is hard to remember that no two people are the same. Specially too because no matter what lesson you learned in the pass does not mean it applies to any situation in the future. Different people are different.
>>34380678He's not saying anything besides "be normal bro" which is useless and not actionable. We've been "just talking" for several years sometimes decades and many of us have no friends or gf so there's more to the story than that
>>34383087>He's not saying anything besides "be normal bro" which is useless and not actionableThat's absolutely not what is being said. What's being said is that people are not these unique gems whose outcomes are fixed points. We don't exist outside of our environments. Acknowledging that someone has benefited or been set back by their environment is the beginning of the equation, not its conclusions. Understanding why something has occurred is the first step to addressing it.>We've been "just talking" for several years sometimes decades and many of us have no friends or gf so there's more to the story than thatThen do something about it. "Being normal" has nothing to do with it.
