Basically this all the descriptions say they look for passionate people and what not or at least people who are good at faking it. But I just don't have it. I'm studying optical engineering because messing around with the lab equipment an dequations is interesting enough and sometimes fun. But like it's definitely very tertiary in terms of what I actually care about but is money unlike art, daydreaming and nerd hobbies.But is the fact I don't have passion plan to work 9-5 and am really just there for the money something they will sus put and fire me over or even stop me from getting hired. Or is it just a reddit psyop that companies require passion
>>34380063>Do jobs actually require u to have passionNo. Next.
>>34380106>>34380063if you have zero passion or whatever you want to call it from your job how will you not hate your life if you have to do it 24/7 ?ofc you can get a job without liking it, but you will be utterly miserable no mattr the money
>>34380063No.Works just need you to show up, help them make money and be fun to be around.You fake passion in the interview for the last point. You pile up creedentials to stick your neck above the others (unless you're in a prestige career where advancement only is achieved through credentials).Business is about making money to everyone involved. They just need you to be able to to take it from the client without the client hating you.
>>34380063>But is the fact I don't have passion plan to work 9-5 and am really just there for the money something they will sus put and fire me over or even stop me from getting hired. Or is it just a reddit psyop that companies require passiona 9 to 5 job with a fat woman HR department needs to be wooed into thinking you have passion for a little whileeventually you'll be able to let your guard down somewhat, but yeah, you need to pretend you have passion
>>34380111Little known fact, most people are unsatisfied with their life in some way.
They want competence. The manager went through all of these retarded training courses that didn't help them learn how to actually get their team to that level, so they're expecting you to have this weird smile on your face and be all, "OH GEE WILIKERS BOSS I CAN'T WAIT TO SHOW UP 10 MINUTES EARLY TOMORROW TOO!" Turns out though that competence and passion tend to look very similar on the outside, even though they're not. The real question is that if you know all of this crazy shit that other people don't, do you really need the suit and his money at all, or does he need you? Is there something that you can do without him that might make you more money by virtue of the fact that he's not there to skim it off the top? You don't have to force yourself to like the fact that he's there, and maybe your passion will come out when you do something for yourself, instead of for someone else.
>>34380111This is a hard earned lesson.A job is just the means to put food on the table. Literally, an obligation. It's the way you justify your existence to your master the government.There are jobs where your passion is an asset, but to execute them your passion must be insured to not fail. E.g. Becoming a musician, drawing or an athlete if you have a sponsor.There are jobs that pay high because they make you hate them. This is all the competitive and bureaucratic shit like Clinical Medicine and things where you actively harm people, like lawyer, administrative positions, sales, etc. If you're a villain, you will be rewarded for being unscrupulous.There are jobs where you do a menial task that requires minimal thinking but physical labor, or are absolutely pointless bureaucratic steps processing. These are structured, low responsibility, and equally end up being part of the bottom earning bracket. This is call center, warehouse, office clerk jobs, retail. A job just to stay afloat.Most people can only access the second tier because this world is fucking shit and full of fractured communities where nobody trusts another, and they get burned out by it. If you try the first tier without a sponsor, you will likely hesitate in the middle and you will lose your spark because for ultimate happiness, which the job requires, you NEED the instinctual necessity for external aproval fulfilled.
>>34380122yea but it sucks
>>34380143and you think this is normal and ok? no thanks
>>34380106Reassuring>>34380111Idk engineering is interesting enough I won't slowly go insane from homework if the job is anything like the classes. Vs the wagie jobs where I sort of got fired/quit from all of them because the tedium got to me and I snapped and crashed out then quit/got fired.Or maybye if info go insane from hating my life I can get NEETbux as my latent bipolar disorder manifests because my Doctor told me I almost definitely have the predisposition so it could just randomly trigger under the right circumstance which is fun little knowledge to have.>>34380119Lol. Maybye I can fake it a little I do well in my interviews and then sorely disappoint people after my fake smiley attitude rapidly decays once I get bored. Even had a manager go you seemed so good week1 and then went down hill when I did retail lol.
>>34380139>do you really need the suit and his money at all, or does he need you?The answer to this question is always Yes.You can't know or handle every detail of a business on your own. Even if you knew how, your brain can't do everything needed on time and not feel like you're moving on the same spot for how fucking much needs to be done. At the very least you need to glue people to do some of the tasks, and for that you need funding, and if you share your idea from the start you're giving away your share of the ownership as well. If you're one of those people who would rather do everything by themselves and are actually capable of learning bits of everything, it's very difficult to learn when to share the load, but if you don't, you go nowhere.
>>34380147no thanks? what do you mean? That's how it is. Choose your fate.
>>34380139That makes sense tho from my dad running a small business and how he basically had to no life that shit. I basically decided I want nothing to do with owning a biz or freelance work.I want a clear start and stop time so I can just check out and go home to draw or watch anime or something. Or read about interesting topics like I do genuinely like the theory side of physics just not enough job security in that.Ngl I mostly plan to just coast once I geaduate. I feel bad cause I'm a straight A student and my professors all think I should go to grad school but like I'm like a lazy person and the only thing getting me through college is the fact that it will end. But like I'm basically taking advantage of them because they put in some one on one work with me because they think I have potential and stuff. And I just let them because the stuff is fun even if I don't have the discipline and drive to make anything of it after graduation.>>34380143Yeah I figured this out early enough fortunately when I was originally an art major and realized the stress of having to rely on my art just killed all enjoyment. Where as I like math I'm naturally good at it but I don't spend a bunch of free time on engineering anyways so theirs no spark to extinguish.>>34380147It isn't okay. But what other path is their other than to die? To me work is my compromise with a world that is fundamentally hostile to my happiness. Due to the nature of entropy
>>34380145life sucks. Its a place where we literally have to kill other living beings just to function. The sooner you stop moralizing essential functions of life, the faster you can actually do something about it. Someone has to shovel shit and someone has to mine our cobalt. If you are lucky, something in your formative years puts you on the path to a career path where passion is actually an asset and its not in an industry where theres so many of you that the ownership takes advantage of you (literally every creative field). Otherwise, find some industry where your will always have job security but is coupled with a bit of ethical responsibility (any legally protected profession). If not one of these two, your remaining options is punking others (owning a business), or being punked (wageslave), or the unicorn instance of of freelance creative enterprise actually being enough for a livelihood.
>>34380219This. Like it's pretty much just a cost benefit analysis about whether for your personal temperament the cruel world of working, becoming homeless or killing yourself is preferable. The world is fundamentally cruel to life of which we unfortunately are.Low key .... Makima did nothing wrong and I'd do the same in her shoes because it sucks. Unfortunately I can't become a corrupted idealist anime villain
>>34380162even a neet wont somehow suddenly die so you are wrong
>>34380063Instead of giving you the advice, I am going to go on a long rant about the usefulness of your job only being internal to the company and yourself as generators of money. I will rant about the parallel ecosystems of attention that feed into each other throughout each passing day like some internally complex but externally simple interconnected blob organism. Paradoxically creating varying levels of dependencies between seemingly unrelated subsystems. I can see it. I can see the mechanical back and forth geometry. Even the timezones are included and highlight the rotational wave like strucure of the events unfolding. Ah yes. I am slowly losing my sanity and quantifying my life's worth based on top down perspectives.
>>34380063Maybe for some jobs, I don't know. There was one year I was so fed up I did nothing but the bare minimum and sat on my ass for 6 hours a day and my bosses always praised my great work. Passion not required for me.
>>34380063what's wrong with optical engineering? it has obvious applications and most all of those help people in some way. just relax. you can go to work knowing you are contributing, getting paid, then you can go home and do whatever you want. you aren't going to be super jazzed every day you go into work. that's normal.
>>34380063Fields that *actually* rely upon passion tend to exploit people's passion in order to force shit pay, high levels of competition, and awful working conditions. Any of the creative fields exemplify this, like game design, or art. If it was fun and fulfilling to do, they probably wouldn't pay you to do it. Best you can hope for usually is either working independently in your passion field, or doing something that's close enough that you can stand and pays the bills. Nobody actually expects you to be passionate about being an accountant or a grocery store clerk, you just have to fake it well enough to put on a face.
>>34380160Scaling down the operation itself to something you can front the capital for, though, is entirely an option. There's a legendary man from my town who was a big corporate finance guy. Made 6 figures a year in the 80s because whatever the fuck it was he knew about money, companies wanted him. He hated it. He hated the pretense of the business world, hated having to answer to people who were not as competent as him, and hated having to do things someone else's way. Dude quit his job and opened a costume shop, used his knowledge to do something smaller in scale as perfectly as he knew how, and it stayed open a good 40 some years before he retired it and sold the building during covid. He didn't have to. He was just old and figured it was good stopping point.You still need other people to realize stuff like this, but these aren't necessarily relationships where you answer to them.
>>34380179>had to no life that shitHe didn't have to. He wanted to. >Or read about interesting topics like I do genuinely like the theory side of physics just not enough job security in that.Dude, fuck the security, because it doesn't exist. Nothing's secure in this world, and you'll probably end up doing a few things before you find what works. If your professors are liking you, and if that's the part you're feeling drawn to, then there's probably more of a future for you within academia itself than you realize. You should dive in, abandon the illusion of security. That's the only way you're going to be passionate about anything.
>>34380439Shit man, this sounds like this is what it is I'm lacking. I'm just jealous of people with better luck and hurt that I spent my youth studying speedrun tryhard bullshit like medicine which I hate and haven't even completed because it's multistage and I gave up already (because I hate it).Now I don't know how a business works, can't be assed to figure out how one works, don't have the money to hire people, I'm just wasting time with the intention to go back to medicine like a beaten housewife. I guess at one point people have to give up and accept they won't be superheroes, let themselves be taken by the tide for a while just to get out of the reef. It fucking sucks and it's a tough pill to swallow.
>>34380259>ecosystems of attentionNigga, an ecosystem is where animals live. The fuck does attention have to do with it>dependenciesAhh, that explains it. CS schizos talk a pidgin variation of english. I can't get what you're saying.
>>34380179The way you give up is eye opening anon. Maybe I should draw anime little girls and show it here, be content with that, and just get any job at all. This world really is hell, no point in putting effort to try to make anything fair or better.
>>34380063>messing around with the lab equipment an dequations is interesting enough and sometimes fun.That IS what they mean by passionate
>>34380302Based>>34380339I don't mind it nothing's wrong with it. Tho I don't really care about helping people it's like I like it enough to get through but not enough that I would ever go above and beyond at work.>>34380457Maybe I'll l have to check how long switch from engineering to physics would add. I don't care about engineering enough to push through grad school but learning about things that just absolutely bend my sense of reality in physics maybye...>>34381187Kk guess I'm just to autistic. Or whatever because I always associate passion with being obsessed like to the point I stop sleeping and eating to do it. Which would never be true for engineering.>34380744Yeah..
>>34380063Normies mostly hate their job with a passion and are still good enough at taking direction that their lack of passion doesn't visibly affect their performance. If you're the spaz who can't do anything right like I am? Yes, doing your passion would be the only way to survive in employment without pissing everyone off. If I zone out, have no motivation to live and am having intrusive thoughts about how good things used to be and how hellish working is because I'm no longer doing a job that I live for, then my work is shitty, clumsy, and sluggish and marks me for elimination like the loser I am. Btw I no longer feel any fear about not being able to get a job, because every successive job I have gotten offered has turned out to be worse than the last.
>>34381653Oof that's basically me.>T shirt screen print job>Literally just putting shirts in a pile>Painfully boring and fired in 2 weeks because my work was slow and messy>Retail cashier>Written up every week but they were under staffed>Mental health slowly decayed>Had panic attack in front of all the customers >Rapid spiral >'u used to be so good the first couple weeks'>Starting dicking with my hours until I quit after working like 5 months?>Fast food>Training shift of 8 hours a week>Never get taken off it quit to do research internship>Find out from a friend who worked their later I am the story they tell of the girl who sucked so bad to make other people feel better about suckingCollege STEM internship>Basically last place in productivity measures>Most kept around because I was the best at reading scientific papers and helped other interns with it>Also was weirdly accurate but still slow at this one task but they were impressed by that>Low key concerned if this was a corpo I'd of been fired because my work completed per week was what new people did in a day or 2...
>>34381653cont.Everything I touch turns to shit. I piss off the most gentle of people who ask me to do something for them. I could piss off Mr. Rogers, Winnie the Pooh, and Mother Theresa if they hired me to work for them. I'm sure I piss Christ off by existing.I am the fucking retard who makes the gentle old man no one has ever seen angry blow steam out his ears, slam the door and yell, "HE DID WHAT?!?!?!?!?!?!?"I fucking hate myself holf vguck in igger hate miyself
>>34380063Just try to be passionate about something. Doesn't have to be your job. Your job can be the platform.
>>34383208Hmm I miss being passionate. Like I get phases where I get super passionate and motivated about something like a comic idea and then school and my bad time management beat the hype out of me. And I end up just daydreaming about what inspires me or depressed when it wheres off
Currently working in retail and it sucks ass. My store was understaffed this whole week and I work in the department that makes at least 50% of the store's yearly revenue, but my reward is an extra 10 cents above minimum wage. I'm trying my best, but I want to go back school because these menial task jobs suck ass, and I need a better job. The problem is that this a.i bs is making everyone unsure of which jobs will still exist in the next ten years and I don't want to waste my time and money studying for a degree in a dead field.
>>34380063For two months before and after you got the job. Just pretend.
>>34381539Bro, never get a PhD if you're not dreaming of being a researcher.If you want a job, network.
>>34384766I don't want anything desu. Like there's part of me that's like it would be so cool to be some elite scientist but it's entirely fantasy brained. Because realistically pretty much no one makes the reality warping discovery It's just tny insignificant niche pieces i think I'm just to anime brained.But I legitimately have no life goals other than not being a parasite on my parents for ever. If I had my way I'd conjure NEETbux out of the Aether, draw, play games and watch anime all day and have some sort of mad scientist lab in my basement. Obviously unrealistic AF but like that would be my ideal life. So I have no like actual compass when it comes to life after college. I just picked a major i find kind of fun sometimes so it wouldn't be soul crushing like business, cause realistically I need a white color job (2 weak and uncoordinated for blue caller, to easily bored and mentally ill for wage cuck jobs like retail, and to neurotic and weird for people oriented jobs like waitressing. it's STEM/useless do nothing office job or bust.It's really hard tho because the extent of my passion is it's kind of fun sometimes that whenever it gets difficult and unfun I just all motivation and get depressed like I feel like yuta's cog speech from JJK
>>34389129Let it go man. You and I, and many others here not posting on this board feel the same. Having parents encourage me to study and get good grades, watching Cosmos, Having a good grammar teacher in high school, it made me dream of being a wizard or some bullshit philosopher when I was a teenager. It happens parents only wanted me to get a wagie job all along, and that a shit country was forever in shit because the people heading everything wanted it to keep running like shit.You grow up all delusional, and end up picking way too many interests that nothing fits the boot. Now I'm a generalist failure with no way to put together every shit I know, and can't respect most for not knowing most of what I talk about, and can't feel proud because I can never be as good as any who specialized in their shitty job. I have become the NEET you dream of and it's just sad, self imposed pressure to regain a foothold in normal life, and most likely I will end up doing a subpar job of those I have always looked down upon because that would be the sharpest tool in my heavy useless toolset.Don't worry about anything. Just get a job you don't hate and that's enough. Use your interests to attract and baffle people, and if you think you're too humble or can't manage to be visible, then get training on sales, speech or locution. You NEED to bullshit your way in this world, specially when that bullshit is as true as your passion for living.
>>34380457Yeah bro, security is just a myth bro. Just get a major in fat studies, Im sure it will work out great.Also, Switzerland is just as secure as Uganda. Security is an illusion.Nobody ever goes homeless, just dont be negative.Why dont you study to become a translator? Im sure thats a secure field with a promising future, bro.Just follow your passion bro
