>>34382014
This shouldn't be a question. Sex will naturally come into the conversation if things are going well.
The better things are going, the sooner intimacy will become a topic.

>>34382014
If she hasn't tried to have sex with you by the third date, you can assume she is, or at least it's comfortable to ask

>>34382022
>This shouldn't be a question
I'm not interested in non-virgins.

When you point a camera and a microphone in her face as she exits a bar or restaurant.

>>34382014
Never because she can just lie about it. If you really want to know then you look at her pussy, I guess.

>>34382108
She can lie about literally everything, this argument would imply you should never get into a relationship

>>34382120
No, it means you let go of your strict standards because you'll never know anyway unless someone else tells you.

>>34382014
Miro my friend, you do not ask this question. You open up the topic of sex in a tactful, chill way and see what she says.
From my experience, when she feels comfortable with you, everything is revealed.
I was on a date with a shy-ish girl and we were talking about emotional experiences and I brought sex into the mix.
She basically told me everything she's done in the past without really realizing it. Never criticize her after she says this though, just make a decision: do you still want her after knowing this information, or not?

Good luck

>>34382134
>Never criticize her after she says this though
I mean if you decide to stop seeing her because of it then it doesn't really matter if you do or not lol

>>34382127
That's retarded. How would someone else even know better?

>>34382152
Obviously, if someone were known to have sex with people, then that is something that can be said with words, usually using one's mouth/tongue, and received by the eardrum.

>>34382149
For you, yes it doesn't really matter, but if you openly criticize her she will hide this info from the next guy she moves on to.

>>34382166
I mean let's be real if you decide to stop seeing her right after she reveals she's not a virgin I'm sure she'll be able to see what's going on.

When you discuss sexual history which isn't a first date topic iirc.

>>34382194
You don't immediately end things with her right after she says it. You enjoy the time you have left with her, let the date finish.
Afterwards say something like "I don't feel the chemistry" or of the sort. Women do this all the time after going on dates with guys they don't like.

>>34382215
Well I've been talking to this girl for months, she's just now asked me out

Have you ever seen a girl romantically? Eventually, if you talk long enough, past relationships will come up, and they will typically tell you the extent, if not length of the relationship. If its long enough, they will almost always clarify if thry haven't slept with someone because thry dont want to give the impression that this was the case. If they never bring it up, its because they dont have prior experience or they do and its touchy.

>>34382288
No, just haven't had anything line up because of circumstance.

>>34382014
Immediately after the first "Hello." Why waste time?

>>34382352
Put "virgins only" on your profile and save the hello

>>34382014
If you're waiting until marriage to have sex, you should just bring that up (it's implied that you expect the same, and most non-virgin women wouldn't be willing to wait anyway) relatively soon, but only after you've actually established some kind of connection. If you blurt it out on the first date, you'll come off as a sperg who treats this as his main or sole concern. But if you wait too long, or don't explain yourself well, you risk being seen as uninterested or "creepy". Many women, especially those who aren't used to the idea of waiting, will get neurotic and start making assumptions to fill in the gaps.

So when the subject does come up, explain your own motivations for your personal behavior (not in terms of what you want, but in terms of what it means for you), not defensively but just for the sake of honesty.

>>34382407
Yes I am planning on waiting until marriage, but not for religious reasons. Philosophical reasons I suppose.

>>34382381
Fuck yes do this and then post the screenshots of the messages you get on here.

>>34382014
Where in europe is best to look for virgin? I am white.

>>34382014
I usually ask them about it as we're undressing and kissing before going to bed because that way I can know if I have to be gentle and go slow or be more forward and to the point
of course 95% of girls I've fucked were not virgins but some were "just starting" so I was slow and kind with them too
some others tell you "I'm not virgin at all but I like it more romantic/ slow"
anyways that's the only reason I've asked a girl if she was a virgin, you catch more virgins being casual about it than being a creep about it in my personal experience, I remember being a weirdo obsessed with virgins for a couple of months when I was very young.

>>34383839
I don't want a person who just happens to be a virgin or would find me "creepy" if I wanted that. I want someone who doesn't believe in sex before marriage. I'd rather be a "wierdo" about and die alone because to me my wishes and desires are not disgusting, wrong or evil.

>>34384155
Would you date someone that's a virgin and just willing to wait for marriage for you even if they don't value it themselves?

>>34384167
I could date them because you can change peoples mind but if they think it is only optional/not better or important the answer is no for marriage.

If I HAD to choose I would pick someone who is closer to me and can relate to me more than someone who doesnt at all obv.

>>34382014
Virginity is not the same as chastity. The biggest slut I ever knew was a virgin. She was determined to go to her wedding night with an intact hymen, but any guy who accepted that boundary could have free use of her hands, mouth and asshole. And many did.

>>34382029
And nobody is interested in virgin fetishists.

>>34382014
None of them are past a certain age. Just deal with it. It's just way too easy to have sex as a woman.

>>34382029
Don't worry. Girls won't be interested in you.

Protip: they arent. Get your head out of your ass

>>34382029
hehe this reply really got roasties seething

>>34387778
Those are all sex she's just delusional lol

>>34387944
Well this girl is interested in me right now

>>34387862
>past a certain age
Yeah like 30 lol

>>34382014
>When should I ask if a girl is a virgin
When she's crying during sex and begging you to stop hitting her, Ivan

>>34382478
>Philosophical reasons I suppose.
Being terrified of her knowing you're a lousy fuck isn't philosophical

>>34388557
more like 15, Anon

>>34388568
Deadass those are victims

>>34388573
Women are just like that, man, just accept it

>>34388565
Why did this make everyone seethe so much?

>>34388580
>Why are people reacting negatively to something retarded

>>34388593
Why is it retarded? I'm a virgin, I don't want to date a girl who's had dicks in her holes. Is that so bad?

>>34388594
It makes them self-conscious, they can't regain their virginity

>>34388594
>I will be her teacher
You sad little fuck

>>34388606
As much as she'll be my teacher kek

>>34388607
I've known women who were horny af but did NOT want virgins mainly because they didn't have time to teach some trembling 17 year old where the clitoris is, not out of general disregard
Likewise I'd rather have a woman who knows what to do
>But any woman who's had sex before me is a whore
Go back to jerking off

>>34388626
>non-virgin women don't want virgin men
So what's the problem if I want a virgin? Non-virgins don't want me.

>>34382029
Are you yourself a virgin?

>>34388650
Yes. I doubt I'd care otherwise.

>>34388642
>what's the problem if I want a virgin?
The first time is not great for either of you and it's not actually a bonding experience
If you have religious reasons, kill yourself

>>34388656
1st time always sucks, especially for the guy since he's the one who has to perform/prove themselves. Virgin women don't know how to suck dick either. I hate dating virgins. Too much drama/emotional immaturity

>>34388656
I'm not religious, but I have this crazy opinion that maybe, just maybe, the beliefs of our ancestors weren't completely retarded and nonsensical? Look at what happened to the birthrates after the Sexual Revolution.

>>34388662
>Too much drama/emotional immaturity
Why is there drama anon?

>>34388671
They get way too attached to you bc they have no perspective on sex/romance but you. It's exhausting. If you don't know how to dribble with both hands don't step on my court girlie.

>>34388681
>they get attached
Maybe, just maybe, that's why we want to date virgins?

>>34388697
That is not a relationship. That is you having a dog who rolls at your every whim. Your partner should add to your life, be autonomous, have her own fucking ideas, not be a doormat with a coochole you get to use. Why would you ever want that? Jesus you really are a virgin kek

>>34388709
When was any of that implied lmao?

>>34388653
I'll admit that I do not understand the obsession with virginity but I can begrudgingly respect the sexual parity established here.
I will tell you the truth: There will never be a good time to bring it up.
Asking her directly "are you a virgin" at any point will either be seen as skepticism concerning her purity/worth or as admission on your part to being the kind of weirdo obsessed with the idea of deflowering a maiden.
Your best bet is to casually inquire about past relationships at some point. You will be expected to reciprocate and talk about your own experiences. Asking about the "sex" she had will probably be seen as inappropriate or be recognized for the transparent ploy it is.

>>34388681
that is precisely why you should marry/have LTRs with virgins and NOT pump and dump / have one night stands with them
it just sounds like you're the second type of guy. you're aiming for the wrong public and thinking "if this kind of person isn't right for me, then they aren't good for anyone"

>>34388726
>Your best bet is to casually inquire about past relationships at some point. You will be expected to reciprocate and talk about your own experiences
Yeah well what if she dated a guy but didn't have sex with him?

>>34388725
What are you even talking about? Do you not want a relationship with this girl? Do you just want to fuck her casually? If so her being a virgin or not literally does not matter

>>34388733
Hell no what? Is everyone a virgin in this thread? A girl that only has you as perspective for sex/romance will OBSESS over you. They will spam your phone constantly. They will doubt everywhere you go and not trust any of your friends. Zero emotional maturity with virgins

>>34388740
Wanting a girl to be emotionally attached to you doesn't mean you want her to be your slave lmao

>>34388751
The emotional attachment a virgin has for you is not fair to them. Usually they have nothing but puppy love for their 1st real relationship. Again they only know you. What if she's way more compatible with someone else? What if her 1st boyfriend treats her like shit but she has no idea bc "this must be what love is?"

>>34388762
That's why you wait for marriage, genius. So you don't get attached until you know you want each other.
>The emotional attachment a virgin has for you is not fair to them
You know men have pair bonding ability too, right?

>>34388736
I said it was your best bet, not that it was foolproof. You'll have to glean whether or not she had sex based on the answers she'll give you. However, you won't ever truly know. Even if you ask her directly (assuming she'll even stick around after that) she may answer falsely. You'll have to settle for relative assurance.

>>34388793
Sounds like a great way for me to hate women if I ever find out I was mistaken.

During the initial handshake

>>34388762
>What if she's way more compatible with someone else?
Omg dude what if there's someone out there that would make her cum so hard and she would just be madly in love with them?? Don't you think about that all the time dude that's why I only fuck WHORES

>>34388786
You being emotionally attached to someone that "isn't the one" is fine. That's how you learn what your type is and what's not. By your logic you should never be emotionally invested into anyone, out of fear they will not meet your deluded expectations.
>>34388809
See this is the problem. You actively think these things and let them get to you. There will always be some other guy she might find more attractive or interesting than you. But she's with you for a reason. Harboring that insecurity makes you bitter and helps nobody.

>>34388830
Yeah I was being sarcastic dawg
If you think about how compatible your girl might be with other men you're a cuckold.

"Oh no what if this poor virgin I married is actually a better match for Chad? What if he can make her happier? What if she would stare lovingly into his eyes? What if he would make her toes curl?" -Cuckolds probably

>>34388845
I was hoping you were being sarcastic. Had me in the 1st half
But honestly man I would get over this whole virgin obsession you have. It's not as big a deal as you think it is.

>>34388855
I'm not OP I just find the arguments against men wanting virgins to be retarded. There are very clear, understandable reasons why a man would prefer a woman that is capable of saying no. Don't worry about me, I've been with my wife 18 years and have four kids.

>>34388797
Brother, women won't be the only people lying to you. Maybe ask yourself why this lie breaks the dam.

>>34388868
It's not wrong inherently to want virgins. I can see the appeal but the risks I laid out are not worth the reward imo.
Also glad you locked someone down, here I am jumping from situationship to situationship with no luck. It doesn't help I live in hippieland lmao

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>>34388557
>Yeah like 30 lol
lol, fucking retard, some women aren't even leaving middle school as virgins, let alone high school.

>>34388885
I've never understood the appeal of the initial sex with a virgin, but I really don't like blood. But I get the part concerning not having fucked countless dudes in her "wild phase"

>>34388868
>I'm not OP I just find the arguments against men wanting virgins to be retarded. There are very clear, understandable reasons why a man would prefer a woman that is capable of saying no.
There are no valid arguments against men wanting to have virgins. It's a reasonable DESIRE, but the catch is, that's all it is; a desire. If it's your EXPECTATION and not DESIRE, then you had better be fucking 12 years old, because it's not happening otherwise.

>>34388913
Probably depends where you live and what culture you're a part of

>>34388908
Yeah the initial sex is nothing special. Your 1st time is only special till your 2nd time. Avoiding the "wild phase" is nice, she's not ran through like a freeway, but this usually means she's naïve and sexually immature.
>>34388913
Having this "desire" is retarded too. I'm not some sick fuck that can't stop thinking about what other guys have been inside my girl.

>>34388927
>naïve and sexually immature
These are good qualities in a woman though?? The only difference between a female sexual novice or expert is that some guy(s) trained the expert to know what they like and she was a receptive trainee

>>34388932
No it is not. Her being sexually retarded is not hot. It's a turnoff. Why would you want to waste your time teaching her basic shit like "no teeth" or "take your jewelry off so it doesn't get stuck on something?"

>>34388942
No you're right bro it's way hotter if the previous guys she was with trained her exactly how to make him cum as good as possible so I don't have to lol
I hope he showered her with praise (and jizz)

>>34388908
as someone who's been with 4 virgins already, they rarely bleed, their hymen usually stretches out of the way, it doesn't break, unless it's one of the rare types that cover most of the entrance
if you don't believe me google it up
most common hymen types are around the entrance and give way and feel uncomfortable for the girl but don't break and bleed
If you wanna see blood during sex try fucking them during their period or doing anal with someone who's not prepared for it.

>>34388950
cringe.jpg

>>34388949
>Having this "desire" is retarded too. I'm not some sick fuck that can't stop thinking about what other guys have been inside my girl.

>>34388957
>I don't think about the guys who fucked my girl, but I want several to have done so, at minimum!

>>34388549
That's my point - a woman can be a virgin and a slut, or a non-virgin and moral

4:25 on a Tuesday afternoon

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>>34388942
The same reason why you want to teach your adorable 5 yo baby girl how to tie their shoelaces. It's about the journey, not the performance. Well, that's why people aren't having kids either.

>>34389897
Not that guy, but he was saying that she's not a virgin to begin with.
>or a non-virgin and moral
Not by choice, if she's single and not justifiably divorced (which is still a big red flag in the typical 20-something age range for most of this site).
He called her delusional because she's a non-virgin who pretends to be moral.

>>34382014
I'm in a situation where this is relevant. She's my coworker in accounting, and there was instant connection. We talked about starting our own company, buying properties, planting mango trees and other fruit trees -- I am afraid to even ask the question on virginity because I feel like my fantasy will be dead once I hear the answer.

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>>34382120
>this argument would imply you should never get into a relationship
You really shouldn't if you live anywhere in the English-speaking world.
>women
>literally the pets of the establishment who can do no wrong and have the ability to throw the whole world on any man that displeases them
>men
>mostly castrated in comparison to their forebearers
There is no upside for anyone. Get laid on occasion and drink heavily/use hard drugs to cope. Or find a way to conquer your sexual urges.

>>34388626
Any person who isn't married, widowed etc, but has had consensual sex is a whore. This is literally the old definition of whoredom/adultery.

Never
>>34382029
You're being programmed for pedophilia. Please stop.

>>34390416
Cope maximalism

>>34390416
Liking virgin women YOUR age means that you're a pedo?

>>34390418
The moid ""virginity"" concept is pedophilia programming. Full stop.

>>34390423
We are virgins too. Idgaf about molding. Also, Feminism is an ideology for people who deep down don't believe in it.

>>34390427
Oh moid not mold. But also you're coping.

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/ele.14341?af=R

>>34390388
No it isn't.

>>34391342
YES IT IS. dumbfuck. Whore is a broader term not just prosties

>>34390388
100%. Lefties will try to say this is an incel perspective, but essential every conservative culture and religion teaches and believes this

>>34388573
victims? how? most lose it to guys their age

>>34390388
>This is literally the old definition of whoredom/adultery.
Why would anyone give a fuck about definitions used 2000 years ago by illiterate sheep fucking arab farmers?

>>34393421
You have to remember that they were illeriate arab farmers up until a few years ago. The average westerner are a scant few generations ahead.

These people were born to eat raw potatoes and die at 30.

>>34393712
Listen to Bach and tell me Europeans were retarded 300 years ago

>>34393946
Europeans 300 years ago were way more degenerate than today.

>>34393421
why should I give a fuck about any definition. it wasnt any different for any culture on this fucking earth until the pill you fucking retard.

nonvirgins are whores. end of.

>>34393962
Cope. Technology and divison of labour allows for degeneracy until things collapse again and there is a correction.

>>34382014
Tell her you fucking hate old worn-out roastie fridge bitches. She'll be head over heels. Women love pedo guys who will leave them the second they develop crow's feet.

>>34394340
Non-virgins are whores, which means that all men who have ever had sex are ran through sluts that deserve worse. You can tell by the BV they carry on their dicks.

>>34394373
t. PhD pseudoscience from Incel University

Do moids still not know that "virginity" is not a physical attribute? In 2026?

>>34394719
yes anon how dare someone develop a crush or attraction to someone

>>34382014
The concept of prioritizing a lack of experience in human intimacy as a desirable trait is very insane. I was lucky enough to find my soulmate in one try, sou I guess I will never know what is so bad about being a more experienced woman. It seems like incels just want to project their whoredom onto chicks; they see women as playthings for their own sexual interest rather than people, and believe that all women see men that same way.

>>34394903
If you don't understand, ask or learn instead of assuming.

>>34394675
t. PhD tranny university neckrope city

>>34394719
Same as homosexuality

>>34394719
yes it is about belief and spirit.

unless the girl in question is 12 she shouldn't be a virgin. it's kind of impossible. even the ugly ones get laid regularly

>>34396230
Better to die alone than be with a whore

>>34388565
NTA but I'm not terrified of this as an alpha chad with a low body count. I just want to be special to her.
the last girl I was with told her friends I was the best she's had (her telling her friends is how you know to take her seriously) and that girl was only my second lay. meanwhile her bodycount was like 35.
I was vindicated btw. after a year and a half of knowing her she whored out and made a guy drive 6 hours to see her without telling me. then she blocked me. she is a whore. I knew that, but I still ended up treating her as a lover instead. I'm retarded

>>34394373
They didn't have fortnight or Netflix. The only entertainment are orgies in the woods.

>>34394340
based

>>34396757
People like that (Adamites, Khlysts, etc.) got burned at the stake. Pity we don't do that anymore.

Every incel who considers himself a freakish failure because he's a virgin at 18 expects women to remain unrouched until marriage (and the average age for first marriage is 30)

>>34397275
I don't consider myself a failure for being a virgin, it actually makes me better than you.