A week after a comedian from her hometown had event and I had tickets, invited her she dragged responding, asked for more info when/where is the event, etc(all while warm and showing interest), just so she'd tell me about 5hrs before the event she can't go she has to help a friend study. I didn't respond and 8 minutes later she said "fuck, I really wanted to go, that's why I asked". But it was bs excuse, since she could move friend thing for tomorrow.
I just responded with "Sure" and laughing emoji. Then she used the phrase I use "previously assumed obligations" which became code in our friend group for when you don't want to do something or you don't want to tell people what else you have, also while sending laughing emojis.

Some days after she invited us for a group coffee, I had other stuff to do, but in a way to prove that I am not avoiding her I sent tiktok of some girl saying "I have a weak spot for three things:
1. panckes
2. hoes
3. hoes who make panckes"
Wrote that that tiktok reminded me of her. (She made pancakes at my home when we started hanging out in october).
She responded "What a language. Great idk what to tell you". She screenshoted that and sent it to her male bestfriend.
She forgot her notebook in the hospital and asked our mutual friend who is with me on rotations to pick it up. But he forgot and called me and I did it whatever. Offered to drop it at her place since I had to go for a few days, she said if you're not in a rush, if you're then it can stay, it's no big deal.
Some days after we had group hangout at a friend's place, I offered to bring her then, she responded after we started the hangout and wrote in mysterious tone why she couldn't come. I asked everything alright, she said yes.
After that a holiday came around and I wrote her a brief, one sentence message, wishing her and her family happy holiday. She responded instantly with picture of her and her brother, thanking me, wishing me all the best, heart emoji.

>>34385368
I fucked up, this is part 2. of the first post.


Few days after that I sent a photo to our group chat, she insta responded with her photo, I moved into private convo, had a bit back and forth, but closed that loop fast as well.
A week after a comedian from her hometown had event and I had tickets, invited her she dragged responding, asked for more info when/where is the event, etc(all while warm and showing interest), just so she'd tell me about 5hrs before the event she can't go she has to help a friend study. I didn't respond and 8 minutes later she said "fuck, I really wanted to go, that's why I asked". But it was bs excuse, since she could move friend thing for tomorrow.
I just responded with "Sure" and laughing emoji. Then she used the phrase I use "previously assumed obligations" which became code in our friend group for when you don't want to do something or you don't want to tell people what else you have, also while sending laughing emojis.

Some days after she invited us for a group coffee, I had other stuff to do, but in a way to prove that I am not avoiding her I sent tiktok of some girl saying "I have a weak spot for three things:
1. panckes
2. hoes
3. hoes who make panckes"
Wrote that that tiktok reminded me of her. (She made pancakes at my home when we started hanging out in october).
She responded "What a language. Great idk what to tell you". She screenshoted that and sent it to her male bestfriend.
She forgot her notebook in the hospital and asked our mutual friend who is with me on rotations to pick it up. But he forgot and called me and I did it whatever. Offered to drop it at her place since I had to go for a few days, she said if you're not in a rush, if you're then it can stay, it's no big deal.
Some days after we had group hangout at a friend's place, I offered to bring it then, she responded after we started the hangout and wrote in mysterious tone why she couldn't come. I asked everything alright, she said yes.

>>34385394
After that a holiday came around and I wrote her a brief, one sentence message, wishing her and her family happy holiday. She responded instantly with picture of her and her brother, thanking me, wishing me all the best, heart emoji.
A few days after that at 7pm she started spamming my nickname in private messages 10 times and then "Hahahaha, are you here?"
I responded 20 min later, she asked if her notebook is near me, she wanted me to take a picture of something.
After that we had class where we all have to attend and I was running late, sat diagonally and to the right behind her next to some female friends. She turned her head around, waited for our eyes to meet and said hi.
She dyed her hair dirty blonde, I told her blonde hair would suit her some time ago, she should dye her hair, she responded "that won't happen". At the class I had my "aura farming" moment which was acknowledged in class year chat, and she supported that acknowledgment. But also for an example she responded, even when "mad" or "cold" to stuff I write in groupchat be it with a response or just emoji reaction. Last time we shared some materials in group chat. Her male bestfriend posted something she heart reacted and said thanks. Day later I post it and she is without a reaction. After most recent class she went to coffee with parts of her uni group, her male bestie, female friend from class, but didn't invite in gc or me personally. She used to invite. But whatever, I had other coffee planned out.

>>34385400
I had two more female colleagues give me interest, then tell me they have boyfriends, but both of those invited me to coffee after that, one even at her place.

But let me tell you about horse girl classmate (I will reference her as HG). So I've met her recently and we had some good vibes and two days ago I sit next to her and her friend and to the left are my male friends. We hit it off, it's a vibe, nice chemistry she is showing me memes, she asks me for instagram, I said i don't have one, she shows me hers, I scroll a bit through her feed, then through her profile, I judge a bit, I give her the phone back she says "but you didn't look at my highlights" I said "sure, but messages are next", when I looked through highlights went for messages but she said "noo, don't do it" asked for her phone back, I gave it back. I said I didn't pass one exam, she didn't pass another, we made a deal to "teach eachother".
Professor calls us out for speaking and laughing, I move to the left, she pokes me back to show me something else...
Then she told me about some "stalker" who is older than her but she works with him. She says he is annoying adn has no life. I told her to give him a chance, then to block him, then to ignore him, but she always finds some excuse why she can't. Her mother is supporting the guy and thinks he is romantic. After class she invited for a coffee me, her female friend and one of our mutual female friends, I said I am in a hurry and she said okay, tomorrow then. When we were splitting I told her perhaps there's a third solution, she should find a boyfriend.
She tells me she TRIED, went on a date with some guy recently, "stalker" saw them, didn't say anything, but she didn't enjoy the date.

>>34385404
Next day comes, they ask about coffee, I say yeah, we went. Coffee with her and four other female classmates. She backed out of the study deal, whatever vibe is good. She then makes a joke that I am stalking her because I knew something she told me, then goes on about her stalker, and then her female friend asks why doesn't she tell her boyfriend about the stalker. I was like wtf??
Basically that triggered me (not that she has a bf, but that she didn't tell me), then she then did some more verbal pokes and I said "I am gonna make you cry because of that". Then I make joke about how her horse is going to end up in sausages, she starts crying, but also laughing, everyone else is laughing at the table.
Then people had to leave, I pick up the tab for everyone, and in the end it's her, her friend and I left, we talk some more, she tells how she goes to psychotherapy, I tell how she is a bit hypochondriac, her friend tells how she had CT of brain recently. I ask did they find the brain, we laugh, etc.
My male friends call me for coffee and I stay a bit with them, but then decide to leave.


If you've read all of this, thank you.
My question is what is/if anything wrong with me? How can I Improve my relations?

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>>34385368
if a girl makes you write out a full story on 4chan in an effort to figure out if she likes you, she probably doesn't like you brother. find another girl, however, and you'll see how quickly this one switches on you.

>>34385555

I see, and I like that one girl in particular, buut, the broader picture is that I simply lack the skills or the looks with other girls. See horse girl for an example, there are other girls as well. I really don't know. And by all the parameters I m not the nice guy, I tease, I mock, I insult.

There is also a third classmate with whom I have this hate dynamic and we have a lot of classes together, but she simply wants my attention and snarky comments are given back and forth. The other day she was feeling down and I didn't want to push much, and later in the day she fell on my mind and I wrote simple, human message:"Hey, you didn't look like yourself today. Hope everything is okay."
She insta responded with:"Ohhh *my name*, make up your mind already!"

Can't believe I read all that junk
You really need to get better at grammar and explaining situations. You're all over the place, your writing style is exhausting. I could just about make out what was going on

Anyways
>My question is what is/if anything wrong with me? How can I Improve my relations?
First of all, stop being fat
Secondly, stop caring so much about women
Thirdly, stop playing women's mind games. Ignore that
Say what you mean, mean what you say. Be an anchor of reason and don't be swayed by emotional manipulation. Better yet, don't waste your time with such women

Learn to identify when you are being used. Many women have a problem were they crave constant validation and attention. They want to be chased, they want to be desired, they want attention even if they don't want you. They will (if you let them) milk you dry of these things. Recognise their personalities. Know when they are doing this, and don't give them a reaction

Now, sometimes they may genuinely need a bit of validation, or attention. That's fine. It's normal. But some women have a chronic problem, and they are fucking leeches. Vampires. They'll sap you dry. Expect of them that they act mature. Hold women to account, and to a standard. Don't get lead by the nose

>>34386317
>She insta responded with:"Ohhh *my name*, make up your mind already!"
What's that supposed to mean? is there a decision you are supposed to be making that she's waiting on? Lad you are not making any sense. You're leaving out huge gaps of context

>>34387003
Thanks for reading, I know my english leaves a lot to be desired.
1. I am working on that
2. generally I dont care much but lately I have a feeling I will die alone and never meet anyone whom I will love.
3. Solid advice I will try to implement it.

>>34387030
It doesn't make sense to me either, there is no decision to be made. Perhaps you could argue I translated her part wrong, but it always boils down to:"Oh ffs, make a choice/pick a lane..." I guess we have that dynamic of teasing and snarky comments and me showing care is not natural to her. We talked some more after that in classes, her friend in front of her told me that:"Oh she is behaving rude because she loves you" but that was said jokingly, obviously.

First girl I talked about (you can see archive thread) we had even worse dynamic in beginning. First time I met her I told her she is fake and pick-me and when we hung out she kept asking why do I hate her, etc. Until one day I noticed she is a bit off in a group. Called, asked her, she was caught off guard, said she is going to kill me if I am fucking with her, etc. but in the end she told me she has tumor and our relationship improved after that.

>>34387581
This girl that said make your mind up. If her friend said "she loves you" even in a joking tone, then this "make your mind up" thing means what you think it means. Ask her out

>>34388418
yeah, but I feel that's the way she is with everyone. Also she is in my uni group (10 people and I can't switch) so it could end up being very awkward. Today I made a patient on psych ward cry (literally told her to go to her room) and she said:"he would make me cry had he told me the same way". Also it's always warm and cold with her.

>>34388863
>Also it's always warm and cold with her
In her mind, you are being indecisive and she takes it as a form of rejection. Even if she doesn't give you clear signals, that doesn't matter, that's what is going on in her head, thus the hot and cold attitude

Or else she's just a bitch

>>34388948
Mhm, I see. Same thing happened with the first girl (you can read that in linked post). But how do I overcome this? I mean had they given me clear signals I would obviously pursue. I guess I overanalyze and because a lot of my social life is tied in I am scared to lose the face.

Do you have any suggestions, tips and tricks how to improve? Could I test waters safely. I remember a few months ago she randomly asked me:"When will we go ice skating?"
Me (thinking she is pulling my leg again):"When you take me out."
Her:"Okay then, for my birthday."
Me:"When is your birthday?"
Her:"Well I can't tell you that. If I tell you and you forget to congratulate me it's going to hurt much more than if I don't tell you at all."

>>34390537
More bullshit wymyn mind games. That's her stupid way of signalling to you
You're clear to go, if you want to. Tell her you like her and ask her out
If she says no, then she's using you, leading you along and you shouldn't feel bad for "ruining" the "friendship". Or else she wants you to chase her, and in that case, she's one of those I written about and doesn't respect you, you're getting milked

The things she is saying is intended to signal that she likes you

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>>34385368

>>34391841
it's not friendship. Idc about her that much and i am not emotionally invested, but she is in my school group for practicals and I can't opt out of that or switch. It's majority female.

I am also afraid of getting too much overinvested, I did that with the first girl and she discarded me. The horsegirl had shown me chats with her "stalker', I literally saw the guy humiliate himself, but among other thing she said "I love you" to him sometime in the past and the guy asked "Did that mean nothing? Was that not true" and she responded "It was true". all the while she was letting me win in some games in class, asking me what are her fears and when i touched her head and hair she told me "yeah, scratch me there".

good lord I wish the state could assign me a wife or smth. I either attract weird women or everyone around me is broken

>>34393986
>I am also afraid of getting too much overinvested,
Posting about her on this site is already showing overinvestment.

>>34394055
Not about that girl, nor about horsegirl.
i am overinvested in the first girl, and in myself I guess. Trying to learn from my mistakes

>>34393986
Well it's up to you. The option is there to have a gf and you can make the excuses as complicated as you want in order to chicken out. There will always be risks in dating, but you are overcomplicating it

>>34395142

how would you go further in my situation? if i was smooth or knew it all i wouldn’t be here

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>>34385368
The girl that this and previous thread revolves around just screenshoted my bonding reattempt. And her and her male bestfriend laughed at me

>>34397719
Depends what you want. Do you think she's trustworthy enough to be your gf? Do you even like her? If so, then at this point I'd just say "hey I was thinking and I like you so I want to ask you out on a date" and if she says yes then I'd bring her somewhere and have fun. Maybe give her a kiss

She has already signalled in her own retarded woman way so you've got this, you don't need to be nervous about it. You have to now show interest. If she says no, then it doesn't have to be awkward. It's how you take it

>>34398718
How is it not going to be awkward if I am going to have to see her every single day and if she is going to share it with her friends, my classmates?
Same thing will happen as it did with the first girl. I will become class clown and the well will be poisoned for all the other girls.

>>34398732
By not caring and not being awkward. If you are perceived as embarrassed or insecure about being rejected, then people will laugh. If you confidently state that you like her and confidently take your shot, and shrug off retards that laugh, then it will be respected

>>34398732
>>34398737
This is the thing about life. Only the bold win what they want. You got to take risks. You want to cower the rest of your life and hope things just fall into your lap? Then you can do that and get nowhere. You have to weigh up the risk and the reward
Risk: I embarrass myself briefly if I can't help being insecure and unsure of my action and even if I can't live it down, none of that will matter when we all move on from Uni/collage
Reward: I get a nice GF. Even if it doesn't work out, I get more experience

There are plenty of spineless, sheepish young men running about. Don't be one of them. Believe me, it will set you apart and get a head start in dating. Let women know your intentions but be respectful. Don't be ashamed of your interest toward them. Don't let them twist your intention into getting used. And hit the gym, stop being fat

This is the best advice you're gonna get anywhere