Yeah

Cardio every day

Dancing is correlated with reduced depression by a huge margin, even compared to other types of exercise. Not saying it'll cure your depression, but it's worth a shot, as is looking for other things that are correlated with reduced depression. And making sure that any problems in your life are as solved as possible: you have friends, you do fun things, you're financially stable, if you're going through a loss you talk to people, etc.

Sometimes depression goes into remission for no obvious reason, and sometimes it doesn't. It's not unreasonable to at least give some of those a shot.

nice thread should be a study case
do you go out everyday and do you know anything about ur vitamin d levels + how about ur sleep and having friends that you talk with daily

>>34392506
I was already thinking about doing that that, thanks for reinforcing.
>>34392539
I take vitamin d and a few other supplements. I work from home and I don't go outside every day, I can work on that. Sleep is kinda fucked due to insomnia, but I get maybe 5-7 hours a day. I have some friends, but I only meet them every few weeks.

>>34392578

Do it. It works.

>>34392506
Not OP
I tried this I went thru hiking
Helped for a little while but then didn't

>>34392494
>there anyone here who managed to cure their depression purely with lifestyle changes, nutrition/supplements or similar?
Yeah, but it's mental too. I am not depressed anymore really, but life is improving slowly. Still can't breed or make good money. Although this will probably change too.

Bumping an interesting thread.
As for your question, I've been depressed myself for at least 5 years now. At some point I decided that I NEEDED to make radical lifestyle changes in order to get my shit together. I thought that if I stayed consistent, at some point something would just *click* in my head and suddenly I'd start to hate myself less and my life would actually "start". The problem was/is that I've never been disciplined enough to achieve anything worthwhile in life (which is one of the many reasons that made me hate myself in the first place). Having a better diet, exercising, genuine attempts at socializing, I've been trying to keep all that in check, but, more often than not, doing all that feels very idiotic, tiresome. A pathetic attempt to make up for all the time I wasted rotting away in my room instead of going outside to play sports and socialize like the normal kids did(which may be the depression 'talking'). Even though I've been getting worse in the last two years (extreme mood swings, binge eating, insomnia, rage fits,etc.), I'm completely against taking le meds. I didn't need pills to make my life go to shit, which was a mix of things outside of my control(shit upbringing, for example) + personal (bad) choices I've made along the way. So, in my opinion, the only way to move forward is too put as much effort as possible to make everyday a little better than the one before being aware that you'll face pain, boredom, loneliness, hopelessness and such.

>>34392494
I probably have undiagnosed bipolar II so I still frequently experience bouts of suicidal depression, but yes. Unfortunately fitness and health are the answer to clinical depression. Sunbathe and cardio at the very least. You'll be okay.

>>34392494
Ketogenic diet.
I'm bipolar. Try it out if you have unipolar depression.

>>34392818
>put as much effort as possible to make everyday a little better than the one before
interesting, how long were you when you started doing that and how old are you now

>>34392494
No but playing videogames is helping a little. Gaming really makes me live in the moment, I think less about the past and future and problems. If only I could have a part time job that would involve socializing with girls I would probably be happy. Or a job that allows me to be creative or artistic.

>>34392494
Gym

Growing up, my dad always tried to get me into lifting, but he never really knew how to get me hooked. So I never went. I spent most of middle school and high school inside playing video games, porn, no real social life. I was lonely and depressed, but I didn’t even fully realize it at the time.

When I got to college, I finally decided to give the gym a real shot. And honestly, I got hooked almost immediately. As cheesy as it sounds, Arnold was right in Pumping Iron... there’s something addictive about it. You go in, push yourself through an hour or two of struggle, and come out feeling like a completely different person.

Over time, things started to change. People noticed. I felt more confident, more in control of my life. I started taking better care of myself overall. Eating better, sleeping better, actually having structure.

At first, I only went maybe twice a week. But during my last year, I decided to go all in; five days a week, tracking food, really pushing myself. That was probably the best I’ve ever felt in my life.

It didn’t magically fix everything overnight, but it gave me momentum. And once you have that, everything else gets easier.

>>34392494
Paroxetine cured my depression. Antidepressants are not addictive and you don't need to take them until you're 80 years old. I only took paroxetine for 2 months and I was cured. If you have an active sex life or masturbate, don't take SSRIs, instead take bupropion or an antipsychotic. Most antidepressants tend to be cheap, but I hope you're not a NEET begging your mom for money.

>>34392494
No. Even drugs don't work.

Just accept your fate. Your brain knows what to do, and it made you depressed for good reasons. It's a way to protect you from whatever trauma you experienced. Just know that it's permanent, so get used to it.

Even if there was one magical pill to make you suddenly alive, the first realization you would make is "oh crap, I've spent YEARS depressed doing nothing when I could have studied to become a doctor, joined the school's sports team, made an online start-up for passive income, travelled here and there, partied with all those hot chicks, worked out during my peak years, etc." Once that realization on "missing out" for so long hits you, then you'll be looking for the first bridge to jump from. Your brain knows this, that's why it will never make you non-depressed again. The shock would be too much to handle.

>>34394733
Lame attempt at demoralization or you are just a doomer trying to convince yourself not to try.
My own life experience completely debunks your claim. I wasted years on being depressed, at my lowest point I barely left my bed for months. But with tiny steps I got my shit together and now I have a steady job, I'm self sufficient, I'm healthy, I can enjoy things. Yeah I'm not getting those years back. It sucks, but it doesn't mean the rest of my life has to suck too. It was a terrible period of my life so I'm going to do everything to make sure it never happens again. I have learned to love myself and I have never felt better since I was a little kid. The idea of psychologically torturing myself has become completely absurd and stupid to me.

>>34392506
For me it has to be distance walking or hiking. I was still depressed doing cycle machine 3 times a week. There's something fundamental to what humans are that needs to walk a certain distance to not go crazy

>>34392494
Yes I cured suicidal depression of many years. Depression is learned helplessness + low dopamine + probably some anhedonia (if you masturbate/eat sweets/whatever you prolly don't have anhedonia). There's no deep psychology or real hardwired dopamine imbalance.

How to fix learned helplessness: reframe situations so you are an active subject, not a passive object/victim. Each and everyone. Long cashier line at the store? You're not passively suffering through it. You're making a conscious choice to stay in it because you want your groceries and you choose to wait. Reframe EVERY situation you're in like that. YOU are making a choice, even if it's "die of hunger or go to shit job" -> "I have these two options and I choose option 2 (or 1, whatever)". Sounds silly but rewires you eventually. How long? Depends. Watching brain health helps. EPA/DHA, D3, choline, eggs, will speed up the process but it's not a hard req.

How to fix dopamine: it's a pursuit/chase/hustle hormone. It secretes when you are moving to the goal, not when you achieve it. That's why people who achieve something feel empty. Dopamine over. So you do the smallest thing that takes effort. Like wash your ass, or put on moisturizer, or move a dirty cup to the sink. You get a bit of dopamine. You then do the next smallest thing. The process gives you a bit more dopamine. You then move on to a more difficult task. Etc. Cold showers work because they give you a dopamine/norepinephrine/endorphin rush. The trick is to use cold shower as a setup for a more challenging activity and do that activity immediately after shower.

There's a bunch other stuff but these 2 are most important. Go talk to AI, talk in circles with it, it will try and send you to a shrink, but you want to get into neurotransmitters etc. Not necessarily talk about depression, go "i am not feeling motivated". Read into stuff that seems important.

>>34395141
And yeah, you'll fail initially, that's normal, you keep doing that, every day, every hour, and it gradually gets easier and easier as your brain/dopamine circuit adapt and is then automatic and then you're cured.

So something like, make bed->cold shower->clean room/do cardio; will work. You need simple achievable goals, not "learn coding" or "get a job", break that up into steps, dopamine won't secrete from vague stuff.

>>34392494
I moved to a cabin in the woods and it mostly went away.
Nature and animals are calming to me and having stuff to do all day makes me noth think much about the bad stuff.
At night I'm too tired for dreams so no more nightmares.

I tried all the supplements and exercise and stuff. The one thing that made the biggest difference was never using my phone or computer for “dopamine wasting activities”. Basically delete every game or social media or whatever that steals your attention and go back to reading books if you are bored. This had the magical effect of making me feel like I still have a ton of time and I’m still in control of my life. You lose control when you get locked in these dopamine feedback loop things that modern technology is so good at trapping you in. For many people it’s not problem but if you are succeptibale like I am then you’ll just be fucked from technology. Including 4chan you’re gonna want to leave this place.

>>34395150
I took this to the extreme and started scripting my whole life pretty much. It kind of works but over time I found that instead of creating habits that became automatic I was facing ever increasing internal resistance to following my routines. I think some people are creatures of habit and for some people like me you have to integrate a lot of randomness/novelty into your daily plans in order to not give up. I think most likely the more intelligent you are the more novelty you need but that’s another discussion.

>>34395205
It's not about intelligence. It's a wired-in preference. Some people have wired-in love of following plans/routine, some people need spontaneity. I am latter. The point is to change neural pattern in the brain to auto-frame situations so you always feel agency, and to get out of dopamine hole. Then do whatever.