>>34395001
Sure, because you are a man and not a woman.

>>34395001
As long as you a virgin yourself and or are honest with her about your past as in legit honest.

>Is it reasonable to want a virgin if I myself am not a virgin?
No that's called being a hypocrite.

>>34395014
Yeah, but girls and guys are different. I'm willing to commit 100% to a provider role. What will the girl provide? Nothing financially. She didn't go through the engineering degree I did, didn't work full time for years on end saving a ton of money etc. I am willing to provide all this but only to a virgin that didn't give it up for free to anyone. A virgin getting with me will never have to work. It's an early retirement route plus the fulfillment of kids, me loving her and me taking her out to restaurants, traveling, concerts, cooking together etc for fun.

>>34395001
prob bait post from IDF, but: it is pretty gay. I only want to be with other virgins but at least im not a hypocrite.

but if you are open about this fact then it is "fine" if she agrees to that. .

>>34395026
>I have an engineering degree so I'm entitled to a virgin girlfriend
What the fuck kind of response is this? Do you think having a STEM degree makes you fucking special?

Why are men so deeply fucked in the head?
It's too many of these threads on a regular to say these are all just troll threads...or am i wrong?

>>34395040
it is a tranny/idf squad.

>>34395040
This board is filled with autistic men who's only understanding of women comes from redpill/incel content.

>>34395039
Yeah, it was hard work. I have a good career and 6 figures saved in the bank with no debt. I don't expect a virgin to have anything besides being pretty, pleasant and her purity. Look at most guys and they can't even get a job, let alone something sufficient to build a family with on a single income.

>>34395048
>I don't expect a virgin to have anything besides being pretty, pleasant and her purity.
Translation: I don't value women as human beings and I only value them for their looks, surface level "niceness" (which is a general expectation for all human beings), and sexual purity because I'm insecure about being a virgin.

>>34395046

not like the family and birth rates aren't completely collapsing but that is an incel talking point. everything is fine dw

>>34395046
It's extremely scary honestly if they're serious

>>34395055
So yeah, this is a good example of what I'm talking about. Also I didn't just say incels only, calm down bucko.

>>34395053
Did you read the post? I'm not a virgin. I fucked dozens of chicks off dating apps, bars, and social circles. I just don't want to commit to anyone that isn't a virgin because I want to maximize the chances of a successful family. I don't want to go all in commitment while feeling the ick of her previous history.

>>34395066
>I just don't want to commit to anyone that isn't a virgin because I want to maximize the chances of a successful family.
Well if you want a successful family, then you need to actually like your future wife and be interested in her as a human being. Furthermore, if you're not a virgin, then you're a massive hypocrite and you're not allowed to demand a virgin if you yourself aren't one.

>>34395057
hmm I wouldn't marry a nonvirgin but i dont know how common that is and I don't care as long as I get what I want. at least 33% of the threads are a demoralization op.

(I have dumped 2 gfs because they aren't virgins and i will do so in the future too. if i dont get that i guess I will buy a dog and die alone. feels nice to vent here tho)

>>34395066
You can stop typing now. Delete the thread.

>>34395067
Yeah, of course. I've dated several virgins before and I broke up with them because I didn't feel we were compatible.
>hypocrite
hence the post. Actually I don't think it matters. My dad was in his 40s, previously divorced and married my mom who was a virgin and they've been together 31 years.

>>34395095
>My dad was in his 40s, previously divorced and married my mom who was a virgin and they've been together 31 years.
Holy fuck this explains so much. Imagine idolizing a middle age man marrying a younger virgin from his mid-life crisis. No wonder you're such an entitled mess of a human being.

>>34395001
>Is it reasonable to want a virgin if I myself am not a virgin?
It wouldn't be reasonable even if you were a virgin.

>>34395102
>Imagine idolizing one's own father who had a successful family
Dude, you're just a troll.
>>34395103
why not?

>>34395001
Israeli post but to all 4channers, virginity is a psyop made to prevent you from finding a good woman by distracting you with the frivolous concept of "purity"
If you've ever watched porn, masturbated, or had sex, leave the virgin women to the virgin men and find someone on your level

>>34395104
People criticizing you is not trolling. Your father's a joke of a human being and so are you.

>>34395057
I think is very naiive to be obsessed with virginity but at the same time it absolutely disgusts me how a majority of women younger than 40 are absolute whores. I believe men are to blame in this too because women dont know any better but the whole affair absolutely repulses me. I am better off seeing a prostitute than dating a girl who's fucked 15+ dudes by 23. But idk maybe i just think this way out of cope, I dont even hate women just women around my age.

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>>34395107
>If you've ever watched porn, masturbated, or had sex, leave the virgin women to the virgin men and find someone on your level
Yeah and get divorce raped
>>34395108
It's a troll because you give 0 reasoning.

>>34395111
These studies seem like the ultimate IQ self-own since it's obvious that women on their first marriage have more "martial stability" since they haven't gotten old enough to get divorced yet.

>>34395001
>Is it reasonable to want a virgin if I myself am not a virgin?
for reasons still not clear for me I've had a couple virgins as gfs and a couple girls who decided to start experimenting sex with me without any strings attached. I've given all of them orgasms.
I'm wealthy and I don't treat them like they're beneath me and behave like a decent person, plus I'm not ugly, but that's as far as I go and I've had more than my fair share of virgins.
As I said you gotta give something in return, but sometimes it's just luck.
also you gotta catch them young, the older they are the weirder they become about being virgins
even a bit worse than men, and you can see on this website how weird men turn when they're still virgins past some age.

>>34395048
Hard work does not entitle you to special interpersonal privileges. An engineering degree does not provide one with an exemption from maintaining moral parity. Your thought process is no different than that of a corrupt official who justifies their wanton abuse of authority by the supposed value of their rank. You aren't special. Get that thought out of your head now while you still can.

>It's a troll because you give 0 reasoning.
Nah my reasoning is sound. Your father sounds like a mess of a human being, and your admiration of him explains why you're a hypocrite who demands a virgin wife while not being a virgin yourself.
>>34395124
Be prepared to be called a troll.

>>34395130
What's your reasoning then? He's been married for 31 years and had 3 kids with a loving wife.

>>34395135
My reasoning is that I don't trust anons' blind biased anecdotes, especially when they're hypocrites who think they're entitled to a virgin wife despite not being a virgin because they have a STEM degree.

>>34395107
I have no problem being with a person who has done the same things as I have ie watched pornography. I would also respect if a woman actually has a problem with that and wants someone who hasn't watched porn.

saying that, people who say spreading your legs is better than watching porn sounds like copium you dont actually believe in.
>>34395103
huh? sounds retarded.
>>34395119
you are prob wrong as well btw.

>>34395140
>you are prob wrong as well btw.
Not really. Even the best case scenario in those studies is a 54% marriage quality rate with a virgin.

>>34395001
You're not asking if it's reasonable because you already believe you deserve it. You're asking because none of them that you've found are interested. You're autistically trying to minmax relationships and marriage, and create a situation in which you have absolute control over the other person. Any virgin girl would be right to be apprehensive about that. You can never guarantee the relationship won't end and the fact you haven't even mentioned compatibility at all means it will almost certainly fail, no matter how many little boxes you tick.

>>34395111
>"divorce raped"
Be a good husband and communicate with your woman.
>"b b b but bad women will just divorce anyway!"
Yeah and? Shitty men do the same fucking thing. Virgins have no guarantee of staying with you unless you keep her in your basement, which I'm sure freaks like you fully plan on doing. Get over it.

>>34395104
>who had a successful family
>previously divorced
lol!

>>34395586
at least with a virgin you get a shot at her not being a whore while all non-virgins are whores unless you get a widow or they got divorced for legit reasons like adultery...

>>34395140
Having frequent sexual encounters isn't "better" than porn, they're equal acts displaying degeneracy and a lack of self control. If you cannot control yourself and choose to watch porn (cuckholdry btw LOL) instead of just waiting for a decent woman to come along, you're a degenerate and you're not gonna be that guy for a virgin.

>>34395598
nta
>all non-virgins are whores
>If a woman has had sex outside of marriage even once, she's no different from a prostitute or an OF thot
Wow, I can't imagine why you're struggling with finding a good woman. What a catch.

>>34395001
It's not even a double standard. Women are more attracted to men twice their age who have been around, sexually and otherwise, and the reverse is also true.

>>34395609
originally whore was a gender-neutral term for anyone who is sexually immoral not just for pay. I would rather be with a former prostitute who got forced into sexual slavery against her will than a whore who has sex outside of marriage.

>>34395620
>originally whore was a gender-neutral term for anyone who is sexually immoral not just for pay.
That's nice and all, but we don't live in the middle ages, so the definition of that term has changed, so you're still a retard.
>I would rather be with a former prostitute who got forced into sexual slavery against her will than a whore who has sex outside of marriage.
You realize that the former is still the latter, right? I've seen your kind be unsympathetic to women who lost their virginities via rape because they're "too much" baggage. Also you're gonna have to explain to me how a single consensual sexual encounter between two adults outside of marriage is somehow immoral without using the Bible.

>>34395596
yeah married for one year without kids, then remarried a virgin and stayed together to this day after three decades

>>34395633
I have no problem being with rape victims retard.

sex outside of marriage is bad because it devalues sex, relationships, lowers trust between men and women. creates children born without their fathers. makes people abort their children. there are many reasons. sex is not just a bodily function like breathing or taking a shit, it is the most intimate act between two people and I am not compatible with someone who views it differently.

>muh you are retarded medieval ages

Idc this is what i believe and how I use that term, cope about it if you want.

>>34395666
>it devalues sex, relationships
Only if you have a idealistically childish view of sex and relationships
>lowers trust between men and women.
Do you at least have a random study with a random statistic that isn't hidden behind a paywall for me to analyze for this insane claim, or what?
>creates children born without their fathers.
Actually that's due to scumbags abandoning their children, which can happen during marriage btw
>makes people abort their children.
Married women can get abortions if they live in a place that allows it. This argument is absurd.
>Idc this is what i believe and how I use that term, cope about it if you want.
Me calling you a retard isn't cope. If anything you're the one coping.

>>34395679
tldr troll

>>34395680
>criticizing me is trolling!
Oh okay, so you have no real argument and you're wrong. Cool.

>>34395001
>Is it reasonable to want a virgin if I myself am not a virgin?
Unfortunately, yes. I say unfortunately because women themselves prefer non-virgin men, even the virgin women prefer non-virgin men. That's just a fact that you can ask of any girl yourself. The reason why some people say you are not being reasonable is because they think men and women should be equals, and that you should not be a hypocrite. Men and women are not equal, we are different. We are equally valuable but we are valuable for different reasons. People who can't distinguish the finer differences between men and women are usually feminized people, people raised by overbearing women, usually bitch made types.

So no that's not the unreasonable part of your post. The unreasonable part is expecting her to be a stay at home mother while you focus on work. Women enjoy stay at home mother roles. But what you miss is the fact they can't do it alone, they need help from hubby to raise the kid, especially when they're babies. That means you need to stay at home with her for a time, at least for the first few months. And if all you know is engineering and academics and you don't understand how to raise a human from nothing, you're gonna be shit out of luck, virgin wife or not

Ok. convinced this is an Israeli thread now. People 8x more retarded than usual. shalom

>>34395001
>Is it reasonable to want a virgin if I myself am not a virgin?
Reasonable is a weird word. I dunno. That's up to the girl. Does it make sense to me? Absolutely not that's retarded. I don't know why any self-respecting woman would agree to such a thing. Then again, it doesn't sound like you want a self-respecting woman. You want a baby machine maid nanny. In that case whatever both of you agree to in the context of your relationship is reasonable in a sense. Plenty of women agree to stupid shit. Just find one that does I guess.

>>34395026
what a larp, lmao. engineers make decent money, but not more money than a regular ass dual-income household.

>>34395026
>What will the girl provide? Nothing financially. She didn't go through the engineering degree I did, didn't work full time for years on end saving a ton of money etc
how do you know this and why would they want that?

>>34396127
>self-respecting woman
can you define this? I would think a virgin is already self respecting to a greater extent than average.
>>34396145
I save more than half my income. I wfh in a low cost area.
>>34396173
I'm saying I don't care if the girl works. I prefer she doesn't. I will pay the bills and let her just focus on being a mom and enjoying life as a non-wagie. In all honesty if I were a girl I'd love this. I hate working.

>>34396222
>I'm saying I don't care if the girl works. I prefer she doesn't. I will pay the bills and let her just focus on being a mom and enjoying life as a non-wagie. In all honesty if I were a girl I'd love this. I hate working.
>In all honesty if I were a girl I'd love this. I hate working.
Out of curiosity, would you be ok with dating a woman that makes enough money that you didn't have to work?

>>34395001
Thats what rich men do. Who around young, then marry a trad wife. Best of both worlds. They are allowed to do it cause money, and the poors get their leftovers.

>>34395046
tell me how empowering sharing your wife is.

>>34396356
>Autists obsessing over virginity are retarded
>YOU'RE A KEK MALE FEMINIST
Truly someone who can handle criticism.

>>34395001
>I just want to maximize the chances it's a successful family without worrying about fucked pair bonding
Unless she's fucked hundreds of men more than the rest of her age group, body count doesn't have much relation to this
>or feeling the ick that guys used her etc
This is a more justifiable reason.

Yes. Let virgins take other virgins.

>>34396222
>can you define this?
A woman who understands her boundaries, has a well reasoned set of ethical standards and stands up for them. A woman with a sense of self i.e. a source of esteem that is derived from within and not from those around her. I absolutely think you can hold the position that you want your partner to be a virgin but by not being one yourself you essentially are asking the person you're with to meet a moral standard that you yourself don't meet. I'm just venturing a guess but I'm not aware of any confident, self-assured and ethical person who is willing to entertain a mutual relationship with a person who requires more of them than they do of themselves. Would you take a job where your manager says stealing isn't allowed but routinely takes product without paying? Its the same concept. Inconsistent moral standards isn't something that most well adjusted people accept in stride.

>I would think a virgin is already self respecting to a greater extent than average.
You can think that, absolutely, but then by your own logic not being a virgin would mean that you're asking your partner to hold themselves to a moral level of self-respect that you don't hold yourself.

>>34396328
yes, I'd be cool with that. I used to know one guy that met some old money girl and never had to work a day after they married. I know another that is a stay at home dad and he plays video games all day. I see his account popup on Steam practically 24/7.
>>34396393
in all honesty I feel the ick terribly.
>>34396403
Idk. I think there is a double standard between men and women. I guess ideally we all want to get the best deal we can. It's market and demand end of the day.

>>34396523
>I think there is a double standard between men and women.
Yeah of course but a decently self-sufficient and confident woman won't put up with being held to some moral standard you refuse to hold yourself to. You'll likely have to aim more for a demure, submissive type.

>I guess ideally we all want to get the best deal we can. It's market and demand end of the day.
Just my personal opinion but I think your brain is already fucked if you're thinking of forming a meaningful relationships in terms of "getting a good deal in the market". It sounds like you don't want a partner in life you just want a high quality product that's going to produce outcomes for you. That is definitely possible but its just depressing as fuck and your relationship will feel more like a business deal than an enhancement to your life and experiences.

>>34396622
>enhancement to your life and experiences
I do accept that I might be looking at things in a suboptimal way.
I enjoy the company of an attractive girl with a pleasant personality for sure though. It's just a given.

>>34396629
I mean, do what you want bro, it makes no difference to me either way. I'm just saying any woman who would agree to your terms likely doesn't have much respect for her own autonomy or sense of self but then again it sounds like that's not what you're looking for. Live your life just don't delude yourself, you know? You're asking someone to make what is ostensibly an unreasonable moral concession and to actively accept hypocrisy as a cornerstone of their life with you so expect that the quality of your relationship will reflect that.

>>34395001
IM NOT IN DEBT
but ok.
*inhale*
when theyre done fucking their fathers maybe ill get a slice

>well paying job
Spend enough money and you can get pretty much anything.
>maximize the chances it's a successful family without worrying
Except that. Success not guaranteed. You can go complain to the manager about her seal not being broken when you brought her.

>>34395026
No decree and no amount of money will fix your face. Women want chad, they will give their virginity to chad for free and be always faithful to him if he wants them. Women may sell their virginity to you but they will not love you and you have no guarantee that they will be faithful or commited. Women are not as materialistic as you want them to be, your money and decree ranks pretty low on the value scale. You are an entitled moron with no real value to offer.

>>34395026
You nigger no matter how much you provide a woman will leave and cheat if she wants to. The only hope is to get an extremely loyal woman, but that too would have it's downsides.

>>34397172
I already have a great face, body, and height. I've fucked a few virgins already in the past, but back then I was broke and didn't care to build a family
>>34397266
>extremely loyal woman, but that too would have it's downsides.
what's the downside?

Bible says an adulterer will end up with another adulterer. So if you had sex with someone your only real option is to be with someone that has also had sex before.

>>34397788
>what's the downside?
Getting her is its own downside

>>34395040
My guess is a mixture of third worlders and red pill types. Also, 4chan naturally attracts a more neurotic and socially maladjusted crowd in general

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As a teehee used up slut female teehee, realistically logically it's not that attractive to anyone to be desired due to their virginity. Because after having sex this creates an unpleasant situation if the relationship falls apart because then the person who had internalised being valued for their virginity either if they were the one broken up with will chase the other person not to leave them or if they want to break up they will feel self hatred


I know no point for me to effort post but hey

>>34395046
This