This is not meant to be an incel thread. I've had plenty of girlfriends. The problem is that after the initial honeymoon phase, I really start to hate them. And I feel like as I get older, women have become even dumber and harder to tolerate. I wonder if this is just my neurodivergence at play or if there is some societal issue where women are becoming very stupid and obnoxious.
>>34403367Theyre horrible
do you have friends who are women? or do you only interact with women in the capacity of a romantic/sexual relationship? can you stand to be around women non-romantically/sexually or do they also bother you?
>>34403367Usually feminine (neurotic) males hate women the most, just accept yourself I suppose.
>>34403367Women are generally coddled and experience zero hardship due to the women are wonderful effect giving them every possible advantage in the social sphere. This leads to a state of arrested development the same way that trust fund babbies are forever immature.
>>34403380Hm, no not really. Anytime I've made a female friend I try to turn it into more than that for better or worse. Though in theory I wouldn't mind having some female friends I guess.
>>34403384Maybe. I usually try to see women for what they are, in the masculine sense of appreciating them. This is easy to do when I'm single or in a hook up situation. But when it comes to relationships I really have a hard time maintaining that for very long.
>>34403367Welcome to life. That's what life is. If you don't get the girl pregnant, you can actually end the relationship easily and cleanly.
>>34403399Sounds like you just need to find an autistic woman, they are more rare but exist as well. Or maybe just accept some men are happier single/as eternal bachelors?
>>34403393i think it might be helpful to explore this idea further. it may not be women which are the issue but the context of the relationships you are having with them. perhaps if you were into men you would find it just as difficult: relationships that require deep personal and emotional connections and cedependencies like these are much different from and more demanding than those you would encounter with your friends.it could also be that the women you are entering relationships with are too neurotypical for you; have any of them ever been neurodivergent? while i am albeit only mildly neurodivergent, i find it extremely easy to love my wife, who is very autistic.
>>34403367You need to find a woman you can be friends with first and lovers second, that alleviates most issues.You either need to take the mentality of "we agreed to start a life together and will overcome obstacles together" right off the bat, or make a bond with a woman where that feeling comes naturally.You have to decide and maintain the decision to love someone forever, and it'll only work of they do the same. That choice is MUCH easier if you actually enjoy eachother as people and not just as your partner.
>>34403367>I wonder if this is just my neurodivergence at play or if there is some societal issue where women are becoming very stupid and obnoxious.Neither. The problem is that you use the wrong criteria when you're choosing who to get involved with. Perhaps you choose women on the basis of physical attractiveness, or because you have a crush on them? However it is that you're choosing them, your strategy is clearly bbackfiring. You need to think really carefully about what kind of woman you *would* get on with in the long term, and deliberately look for someone like that, rather than continuing to do what you've been doing.
>>34403367It is possible. but most likely they also have to be neurodivergent too. i cant relate to most women at all which is why ive had a hard time finding a girlfriend. ironically a lot of women are attracted to me because im attractive (i put a lot of effort into my looks because im insecure), i have high empathy (from being treated like shit all my life) and im really funny. theyre attracted to me because of my atypical behavior until i say something weird and then realize theres actually something wrong with me so ive learned to keep a lid on my behavior (which is apparently called masking). it was easier to fall in love as a child for some reason. but as an adult ive only ever allowed myself to fall in love with 2 women in the past 5 years who im almost positively sure were ND in some way because they were weird
>>34403367>"This is not meant to be an incel thread.">Enter in the biggest incel thread I've seen in a whileAnyways, yes. Women are annoying but you can love things that are annoying. Love them from a distance or up-close, whatever you can tolerate.
>>34404182>ive learned to keep a lid on my behavior (which is apparently called masking)As someone that relates to what you're saying, I highly recommend getting control of this as early as you can. It's not fun to wake up one day and realize you have no idea who you are because you've been burying every part of your actual personality to seem "normal". Having lived both lives, it's infinitely better to be yourself and be alone or have only a few people around you than to have many fake relationships that rely on you constantly masking or else they get the ick. The latter WILL destroy your soul and will for living.
>>34403367I feel like men and women are equal in the sense that the vast majority of them are just awful.The reason you recognize it in women is because you're attracted to them, if you were a homo you'd notice it in guys but genuinely think about the guys in your life, coworkers, people at the local grocery store, or other stores, your gym, friends perhaps and really consider, are these quality people? Now perhaps on average guys will be more interesting but by and large, most have no aspirations other than getting laid and are rather worthless, it's the same with women but their goal is vapid attention seeking.I could be wrong but I'd like to think there's a small percentage of women out there who are decent, probably home bodies or go to less social places like libraries, but maybe I'm also delusional and am coping.Anyways, you probably just go to bars and look for a decent foid and once you get bored of looking at her (i don't care how pretty a woman is you will get tired of seeing her) aka past the "honeymoon" phase as you put it, you realize you like nothing about her.Try looking at them as "people" which means you will not even get to a honeymoon phase and will not get laid for a long time. But hopefully you will meet an actual person aside from a narcissistic foid.
>>34404394thats something i had to learn later in life. my entire 20s has been me essentially learning to be myself which has taken a surprisingly huge amount of consistent effort to do. it also helped that one of the girls I mentioned earlier was blatantly ND but unlike me she grew up loved so never had to hide herself. she gave me a ride home and her car was literally covered in trash and she did not give a single shit that i could see or smell it. she openly likes racist memes on social media because she thinks its funny. walks around with a tshirt of biggie cheese and makes really accurate voice impressions. talks to herself in front of people. i was in awe. this girl genuinely did not care how people saw her. i both admired and was jealous of her.
>>34403367Am I neuro? Whenever ri make out with a girl I kind of get bored of it in like 10 seconds
>>34404392If this is the biggest incel thread you've seen in a while, you guys are in pretty good shape
>>34403506There are lots of good responses ITT but I think this is the crux of it.
>>34403367its like saying you hate cats or dogs because they are dumb. they point of them isnt to have an intelligent conversation
>>34404182>fall in love with 2 women in the past 5 yearsThe term 'in love' has lost all meaning
>>34405055real>>34404855yeah im /fit/. what about it?
>>34405055nta but i think that everybody experiences love differently. i met a girl less than three months ago and my heart aches for her. she is already my favorite person and i want to spend my entire life with her; i question often whether this feeling is valid but never whether it is real or has true meaning. i would become one with her.also, though, i think that "love" is an extremely broad feeling, which a lot of people misinterpret (i did this for a long time). the kind of love that makes you want to melt yourself into homogenous goo with another person comprises but is probably not comprised by the kind of love whose upper boundary is caring deeply and wanting the best for someone because they are special or important to you. but we use the same word for both, with no semantic distinction.
>>34403415i was going to say, im mildly autistic and my mildly autistic (hes def better at social stuff than me but way nerdier) bf obviously likes me. weve been together for 6 years, and yeah i know its me saying he loves me, but im deeply insecure and feel unlovable all the time, he still managed to convince me he loves me. i dont nag much and im pretty open to chudology, dont use makeup, love spending time alone etc but im definitely still a woman, feelings can get overwhelming and irrational. so idk, i think your best bet is a somewhat neurodivergent girl. or you just dont like girls thats fine too, my bf likes other girls too, he always had female friends so idk
Bro you just love being alone and it's not a bad thing. You love yourself and know what you want that you can't tolerate other things that go on. Just have a girlfriend that you don't move in with and just date. You are not a bad person for being the way you are. They way you are is your happiness and you found it. Be happy.
>>34403367>Can you ever truly love a woman as a neurodivergentI'm "Neurodivergent" myself, they diagnosed me with "ADHD". And I think defining oneself as either label is bullshit. Yes these pathologies and "divergences" exist. But to define yourself with them on a personal level is as absurd as identifying as a "flu-thinker" for having influenza. It's fucking stupid parlor table pageantry, identity games that mean nothing. >This is not meant to be an incel threadAppreciated but it'll attract them anyway. One mention of holes and vaginas and they swarm to whine about it.>The problem is that after the initial honeymoon phase, I really start to hate them.That's not a problem exclusive to adhd spazzes or autistic speds. That's typical erroneous human behaviour that occurs when two immature people try to play house and "love" each other. Here is what happens:>Retard guy meets retard girl>Both are retarded>Both have retarded insecurities or retarded flaws>Both pretend to not be retarded when they first meet to impress the other >Both are performing in "good behaviour">Both retards mask as "good normies" for the first 6 - 18 months, 2 years at most.>Both retards gets exhausted, one or both masks slip off>Both retards emotionally chimp out and feel deceived by the other or given up on by the other.>Both retards begin to resent the other and one or both "falls out" of """love""">Break up>Both retards meet someone else and continue the retard cycle, again and again.This is everyone, everyone has done this with the 0.1% exception of those who married in their first turn and stayed married till death.The reason everyone had this retard phase is because one of the milestones of maturation is letting go for that retard cycle, to become genuine and honest, that means not bothering with gay retard pageantry and being upfront and authentic at the start. Then you find your actual match.I have never met single normie or divergent who hasn't done this cycle
>>34406926>>34403367>Continued So no it's not neurodivergence at play. The only thing neurodivergence does is give the individual a retarded stunted level of awareness of the dynamic, or a retarded take of their own dynamic. Which means their maturation runs slower than normies. Despite all the rumination and brain chatter that goes on in a Neurodivergent's head, no matter their IQ or intellect, they can still be as immature as a 13 year old in an adult's body if their retarded ass had a stagnating upbringing. Emotional maturity is something that neurodivergence gets in the way of. Autists have childish meltdowns where they regress into a state of a blubbering or seething child. Adhds have these fucking petulant tantrums where they build up into a rage that can last hours. Now imagine a relationship dynamic where that's suppressed and masked and hidden. Eventually something has to give, something breaks or buckles and the LARP at love starts to go bitter. Unless that neurodivergent person stops relying on that dumbass label "neurodivergent" and takes proper accountability over their own emotional regulation. Then they can enjoy relationships, to the end.
>>34403367>after the initial honeymoon phaseDuring the initial honeymoon phase, the two of you are supposed to be bonding through shared experiences and getting to know each other on a deeper level.Many people instead just coast through life surfing superficially on the good feels of initial infatuation and when that fades and there's nothing else, the relationship falls apart. This continues until the person has very options left and settles for what little they can get.It's not a neurodivergent thing. It's just that it can make connecting somewhat more difficult if you don't understand each other.
