My brother is an extrovert with schizophrenia and arthritis He had a falling out with his friends due to developing schizophrenia after highschool, possibly from partying and doing drugs though I have my doubts. He was always an asshole to me, same as my dad, because they are both extroverted and I am introverted and they didn't like that. I never even grew up playing games with my brother so we like different games, mostly though that is because of the difference between multiplayer games(extroverted) and single player games(introverted) being mostly incompatible besides stuff like Elden Ring, which we played and beat together because he relies on me for all his social interaction which I can no longer afford to do in my adult life wherein I run a business and take care of two dogs and am trying to get my company off the ground so I can afford a wife. He has come to expect me not only to game with him, but actually enjoy it. He wanted me to install League of Legends which I did, then flaked out cause of whatever reason. This guy needs friends and to leave me alone. How?
Just say you're busy? He can make friends whilst playing those games himself. This isn't an extrovert or introvert thing, false dichotomy. Nothing suggests he is, other than spending time with you, which is just that, he enjoys spending time with you. Tf? Stop labelling things in retarded ways
>>34407526He literally spirals without me gaming with him and goes to the mental hospital and acts better if I do. It really fucking sucks
>>34407526Nah, I genuinely am fully introverted and my energy is drained "spending time with people" he gains energy by doing so. It's legitimately determined by genetics.
>>34407526No, he doesn't seem to genuinely enjoy spending time with me nor has he ever. When I went to Japan he went straight to the mental hospital, signalling that my success makes him feel worse somehow. He's to drag me into shit like WoW or Diablo to waste my life with him so he doesn't "get sick" and think people are poisoning him. Someone else needs to deal with this shit now, a fellow extrovert.
>>34407548It's really not and if that's the case you can forget about finding a wife because your wife is a person that you're going to have to "spend time" with. Have you considered maybe you just don't want to waste time playing games with some unemployed loser guy that is your brother, and that it's not a matter of "genetics" deciding you were "introvert" or "extrovert" but simply the fact that playing video games with some mentally unstable loser is just not meant to be a particular fulfilling activity, regardless of whether you're an "introvert" or an "extrovert"?In terms of your brother, rather than "diagnosing" him as an "extrovert" who needs regularly scheduled "attention", perhaps he just needs to actually do something with his life, like get a job maybe?
>>34407580Considering he's probably on disability, then get a social worker or someone to support his dead-weight ass? If that's an option in your locale
>>34407580He has a job, he makes more money than me. See he needs a fellow extrovert like you who thinks in terms of success by having a job and social interactions and shit. I need to find an introvert wife.
>>34407591No he does not need me, because I wouldn't waste a single second entertaining his requests on playing useless video games. He needs a doormat like you who will cave in to his every demand and not put firm boundaries and rules up.
>>34407591It actually sounds like HE needs the introvert wife, if all he does is stay inside playing video games and forcing one other person to play with him.
>>34407580It's a matter of genetics, this is scientifically proven. If I am to do anything fulfilling it's to be done alone. This is why I didn't join an orchestra to make music, I am the composer. That's the difference in lamens terms.Introverts are scientifically recorded to have higher levels of grey matter, which explains why Scandinavia and Japan are such successful countries with severe social problems.The NWO is designed by extroverted Americans pushing their lifestyle on everyone, that's why you think you can explain the situation from your own lens when scientifically, reality says otherwise.
>>34407610He needs a fellow extrovert his age. >>34407613He bikes or whatever and goes to coffee shops daily to code, he just enjoys being around people. An introvert wife does not. He spent a lot of time hanging around my dad until realizing how much of a narcissist being an extrovert with no social issues made him.
>>34407614So the only "scientific" evidence you have is that there are higher levels of grey matter in the brain. Consider that it may be reverse causality. Perhaps behaving and living in an introverted matter "produces" higher levels of grey matter, and not the other way around, where having higher levels of grey matter "causes" one to be "introverted".If it's reverse causality, that is, living an "introverted" way caused the brain to mould that way, then one could "undo" this by living in the opposite way, forcing a shift in their own brain matter.The reality is likely in the middle - perhaps one was born with a particular amount of grey matter, perhaps this caused them to be more "introverted", and then they never trained the "muscles" of "extroversion" and hence they remained introverted or more and more so, instead of adapting to a wider variety of situations. So their brain stayed the same, or even changed to be more intense in that direction.Consider that the brain is actually way more flexible than you believe it to be.
>>34407640No...you don't just produce more grey matter. You're a reddit spacing idiot. Fuck off.
>>34407651>N-no!1!! It just doesn't, okay?!! Just, n-no!!1! Go back to pleddit!!1!!Nice response
>>34407621Oh god now he's a narcissist. Cool beansIf you hate him so much, why do you spend time with him? Just tell him to fuck off and do what you actually want to do. See how you're the one who can't seem to just say no and be done with it. If he goes schizo then good, he can learn to deal with it, not your problem. Instead of calling others narcissist or whatever labels you want to slap onto them to make yourself sound like the biggest victim there is, learn to just say "no". It's that easy
>>34407673My dad's the narcissist. Idiot.>>34407660Because neuroscience.Idiot.https://novelhr.ca/the-neuroscience-behind-introversion-and-what-it-means-for-you-in-conflict/
>>34407691Doesn't change my point.And no I'm not clicking the link because it won't actually address my point about reverse causality.
>>34407694Facts don't care about your opinion. You're wrong as fuck.
>>34407702Skimmed it anyway, and no it didn't address my point about reverse causality. Correlation does not equal causation. The "facts" are correlations, but they do not guarantee a causal relationship.
>>34407712Yes it does. Cope.
>>34407720Point to where, thanks. Seethe and dilate.
>>34407741Reality. The fact that these archetypes even exist and can be explained with science. Fuckwit troon.
>>34407745Oh now I'm a troon, huh. I didn't negate the archetypes existing. I pointed out the potential of reverse causality. "Science" again points to the archetypes existing but does not explain the cause. Stay on topic you faggot
>>34407752You don't fundamentally flip your baseline temperament. I will always get tired around people, nothing will change that.
>>34407778Never claimed it would be an "instant" "flip". Just claimed that it was a possibility to change your "baseline temperament" even if it's slower than a "flip". And again, would you get tired around your wife? Maybe you need to change that if you're gonna be living with someone. And plenty of things can change that - biggest thing being the actual person in front of you. If the person is interesting, will you get tired of them? No. Unless you've been talking to them for 10 hours but then even an "extrovert" would get tired too.
>>34407814No, it's an impossibility to change your baseline temperament whether it's a flip or not, just like it's impossible to change skin or hair or eye color.
>>34407814No I would fuck her, maybe chat with her a bit, then go back to my study while she goes back to her hobbies. It's not rocket science.
>>34407843And that's where I disagree with you. External events and triggers can mould/change your baseline temperament. That is to say, there is only temperament, there is no "baseline" one. External factors don't influence skin or hair or eye colour, sure (well they can if you're unhealthy/diseased), but they do influence temperament. Because the brain is neuroplastic, unlike those other bodily organs.
>>34407860And fucking her and chatting a bit is still spending time with her, and you're claiming that that would be draining for you.
>>34407873It would be talking for maybe 30 minutes, not 2+ hours of gaming shitty games which I hate. He needs friends. End of.
>>34407865You're wrong and science proves that you're wrong. There are distinct biological factors that determine temperament. Cope.
>>34407877So the premise then is that you want to help your brother and not just leave him to deal with his own mental issues. Perhaps he needs to learn how to deal with them himself and not have you hand-hold him enabling his ability to manage himself stay underdeveloped.If you simply want to find a gaming buddy for him, it's easy. Go on the game and get some random to join and he can keep playing with that person, repeat with other randoms. Hell he can even stream on twitch for ez randoms to comment and join>>34407900Distinct biological factors that correlate with this "syndrome" of "introversion". That doesn't imply the causality and neither does it imply permanence, because biological factors can change, just like your muscles can grow larger or atrophy.
>34407814>namefag>talking complete nonsensemany such cases
>>34408056Explain how it's complete nonsense or fuck off ad hominemtard
>>34407999Your race can't change, neither can your temperament>twitchWe aren't zoomers so that's not gonna work>get some random to joinWhat does that even mean.Have you even played a single video game in your entire life?
>>34408279Race is not the same as temperamentI was talking about multiplayer games. You know you can play them by yourself (physically). The game matches you with people online for you, you don't have to find people to play with you
>>34408307Race is a biological factor, same as temperament. Cope..So just reaching out trying to friend everyone in a game? Going to try Civ II and see if that works. Most FPS are pozzed with trannies, most MMOs aren't my thing and are very cliquey. It's not as easy as you say, would prefer something more personal like going so far as to hire someone to be his friend or something. Fuck.
>>34408333So is muscle, and muscle can grow and atrophy as mentioned before. Sure there may be limits, but they are still malleable to a degree and not entirely fixed like you are suggestingAnd yes pretty much. Plenty of people find friends in that way (online gaming)
>>34408349No, your temperament is merely something given to you at birth. Even as an infant I preferred being alone. I'm not saying it's impossible to find friends online but given the challenges stated it would be a lot easier to do so with proper advice and not something I already fucking knew before making this thread. Hopefully someone who's not a namefag responds. This conversation/argument is over.
>>34408362I didn't say you aren't given one configuration at birth. I said it's malleable AFTER birth.>The reality is likely in the middle - perhaps one was born with a particular amount of grey matter, perhaps this caused them to be more "introverted", and then they never trained the "muscles" of "extroversion" and hence they remained introverted or more and more so, instead of adapting to a wider variety of situations. So their brain stayed the same, or even changed to be more intense in that direction.Good luck on receiving your "proper advice" when you haven't even bothered trying or mentioning what you "already fucking knew before making this thread". A bit rich to assume I'm supposed to fucking mind-read and know everything that was in your head before making this thread
>>34407565>play WoW>find a "fun" clan for raiding>try to hit it off with the guys that play the most>if he doesnt get along start over in a new clan>if he gets along with some of them start flaking off>bit by bit wean him off your tit into the clans players titsit has to be a game with big community for bigger chance of finding people right for him, it has to have a hook component (for ex: have to do wow raids in clan to get better gear, cant miss them so if you flake he has to get on anyways)maybe just straight up limit your presence, tell him you can get on 3 nights a week, enough time for him not to go psycho and force him to fill up his free time with something or someone else, nudge him into group activities/hobbies
>>34408446I literally just can't play WoW. I tried and it's awful.
>>34408442>malleable after birthWhich I and science have explained is impossible. Go get a fucking degree then argue with neuroscientists.
>>34408446Also I think he said he played WoW then stopped cause he got addicted and he had a clan or whatever. That shit isn't healthy. He needs IRL friends I think.
>>34408537No explanation other than "because science said so". I probably would rather argue with neuroscientists if there are any in this thread that would like to speak up
>>34408632My personal anecdote matching up with science is a pretty damn good explanation. I'll throw in a historical reference. Ever heard of Isaac Newton?Introvert. Higher levels of grey matter. Biological. Measurably so.
>>34408659I didn't negate the existence of the "introverted' configuration. I challenged the "fixedness" of it. And in challenging that, I do indirectly challenge our understanding of what "introversion" is fundamentallyGrey matter thing. Reverse causality again. There's nothing confirming which direction the causality is in. It's simply a correlation.
>>34408764Fixed existence. Just like race. Cope.
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