Hello, I would like to someone to tell me wtf is wrong with me. I have barely any friends and the only ones I do are the ones where I have to initiate everything or they'll never text me. However when I do ask if they want to (f.e.) play, then we do. I've been told that this is just them enjoying me be the leader but I don't see it, the only form of communication we have (where both sides initiate) are instagram reels.>the people I came across (normies)Normies have been very unclear with what they want from me. I had this weird sense of belief that if I help people = they will like me more. Wrong, they just come back to you and use you to the fullest, because if you help someone then they learn where to go back to for more. I had very few people who actually help back and see the worth in my help, those people I value but would not consider to be my deep friends, more like colleagues but I like them and respect them.I've had full opinion made up on me due to my resting bitch face (despite not talking to anybody) which led me to not being accepted in certain groups. I'm kind of a loner.I am also not willing to be ridiculed or disrespected for the sake of fitting in, I despise friend groups where there's a hierarchy of people. In my eyes everyone should be joked about equally and nobody should be on the higher pedestal, just kind of an unrealistic standard novadays.I have a long history of abandonment without understanding why. I don't doubt that it was me who fucked up most of the time, but honestly, my friendships would "bleed out". Sporadically talking less and less, comments such as "I don't have time"/"I don't want to".Please do ask me questions about anything and I'd try to answer without justifying myself as the victim.
>>34419891>I have a long history of abandonment without understanding why. I don't doubt that it was me who fucked up most of the time, but honestly, my friendships would "bleed out". Sporadically talking less and less, comments such as "I don't have time"/"I don't want to".That's just life, it's the same way for everyone, unless you reach out to them, they won't do it for you, and honestly? If to keep a relationship alive, you have to be the one always doing all the work, it's kind of pointless.
>>34419973I just don't understand it because I'd meet very few online friends that would actually reach out to me first. IRL if I would not initiate things or apologize first then people would not like to stay.
>>34419891>I have barely any friends and the only ones I do are the ones where I have to initiate everything or they'll never text me Ah yes, classic one-sided dynamic. Have you tried bringing up your concerns? >Instagram reels Why are you on social media?>I had this weird sense of belief that if I help people = they will like me more. Wrong, they just come back to you and use you to the fullest, because if you help someone then they learn where to go back to for more This is people-pleasing anon, it is a very unhealthy behavior. STOP DOING IT. I was guilty of it too, you'll only feel miserable at the end.>I had very few people who actually help back and see the worth in my help, those people I value but would not consider to be my deep friends, more like colleagues but I like them and respect them. Acquaintances are surface-level, they respect you on the surface. While it is fine to have acquaintances, just realize they aren't your friends.>I've had full opinion made up on me due to my resting bitch face (despite not talking to anybody) which led me to not being accepted in certain groups. Why?>I'm kind of a loner I'm a loner/outcast.>I am also not willing to be ridiculed or disrespected for the sake of fitting in, I despise friend groups where there's a hierarchy of people. In my eyes everyone should be joked about equally and nobody should be on the higher pedestal. I despise the idea of having a friend group as well, you're probably the type that excels in individual friendships. Same with me with your experiencesDon't listen to >>34419973He is just dismissing it as "just life" & to passively accept it instead of making a differenceYou aren't alone there is someone else with similar problems as you >>>34419187
>>34421416>Have you tried bringing up your concerns?Right now I'm just waiting for my friend to hit me up or do anything, giving him a week. I don't ghost him but I'm not pursuing either, just reacting to whatever he does. And no I did not try.>Why are you on social media?my shitty attempt at "fitting in" I have around 30 followers but don't post anything, I just send reels to my friend>This is people-pleasing anonlearned the hard way already, my main problem is not seeing where the line between people pleasing and being genuinely cool is being crossed, it's so easy to be taken as an asshole if you stand up for yourself or say "no">just realize they aren't your friends.obviously but at least I don't have to look over my shoulder, it's rather calming to have people like this around even if they aren't my friends>Why?Because I didn't interact with people at first because I was shy, I am an outcast too and one girl told me she "could see I'm weird just from looking at me" and then she got obsessed with me. I've let go of her eventually because she was crazy.There's this thing I've learned that if there isn't much known about you then people make shit up and the shit that's being made up about you is most likely much worse than the actual you.>I despise the idea of having a friend group as wellto me, ridiculing someone or having that clown in your group is high school level. I cannot really comprehend it now. Individual friendships are great but there isn't really anyone for me. I've had internet friendships and they were great, same interests and shit.
>>34422659>Right now I'm just waiting for my friend to hit me up or do anything, giving him a week. I don't ghost him but I'm not pursuing either, just reacting to whatever he does. And no I did not try. Waiting for someone to message you & not doing anything with yourself must be boring. At least you aren't chasing people. You should try bringing up your concerns though.>my shitty attempt at "fitting in" I have around 30 followers but don't post anything, I just send reels to my friend Delete it.>learned the hard way already, my main problem is not seeing where the line between people pleasing and being genuinely cool is being crossed, it's so easy to be taken as an asshole if you stand up for yourself or say "no" That's good. You should learn not to be afraid to say "no" even if it makes you an asshole.>obviously but at least I don't have to look over my shoulder, it's rather calming to have people like this around even if they aren't my friends I suppose.>Because I didn't interact with people at first because I was shy, I am an outcast too and one girl told me she "could see I'm weird just from looking at me" and then she got obsessed with me. I've let go of her eventually because she was crazy.There's this thing I've learned that if there isn't much known about you then people make shit up and the shit that's being made up about you is most likely much worse than the actual you. Well familiar with that tactic. The shit people accused me of was ridiculous & almost caused me legal troubles.>to me, ridiculing someone or having that clown in your group is high school level. I cannot really comprehend it now. Individual friendships are great but there isn't really anyone for me. I've had internet friendships and they were great, same interests and shit. Agree, some people don't mature past adolescence. Why do you think there isn't anyone for you? Had internet friendships before years prior, eventually those become unfulfilling. How old are you?
>>34423603>At least you aren't chasing people. You should try bringing up your concerns though.I doubt he'd give a shit honestly>Delete it.what else am I supposed to do at uni lmao>That's good. You should learn not to be afraid to say "no" even if it makes you an asshole.yeah I sacrificed potential """friendships""" for the sake of preserving my dignity>The shit people accused me of was ridiculous & almost caused me legal troubles.Accused without any evidence so all they did was bring down your image, you're good.>Why do you think there isn't anyone for you?probably because I had a friend I got along with great during childhood and it sort of raised my standards, I would not be friends with him now because looking back I see that he was a complete prick. It's hard finding similar language with people and majority of them really don't share my interests, everything is surface level so my best bet at finding someone "like myself" is by looking for a girlfriend (which was successful before) but I am taking a break from women right now. I'm too tired to pursue any form of relationships at this point because of the amount of times I had to keep a lookout on when I'm being wrongedI'm 22
>>34424243>>34424243also>Waiting for someone to message you & not doing anything with yourself must be boring.Not really I've picked up on drawing and doing shit I enjoy. Will take myself to study later because people are so fucking tiresome to deal with. Let alone even think about them.I just realize that there isn't anyone fit for me and I'm trying to accept it, one worthy friend that would at least check up on me every once in a while and share interests would be enough but the people I deal with can't even do that. I don't mind having someone who's just there to share memes and play games together but I cannot physically consider them to be my best friend or anybody like that.
>>34424243>>34424243>I doubt he'd give a shit honestly Then just leave.>what else am I supposed to do at uni lmao Invest in a hobby? Workout?>yeah I sacrificed potential """friendships""" for the sake of preserving my dignity That is good.>Accused without any evidence so all they did was bring down your image, you're good. Made me self-conscious about myself.>Im 22 Im 19.
>>34424243>>34424251>probably because I had a friend I got along with great during childhood and it sort of raised my standards, I would not be friends with him now because looking back I see that he was a complete prick. Mhm>It's hard finding similar language with people and majority of them really don't share my interests, everything is surface level so my best bet at finding someone "like myself" is by looking for a girlfriend (which was successful before) but I am taking a break from women right now. I'm too tired to pursue any form of relationships at this point because of the amount of times I had to keep a lookout on when I'm being wronged Understandable. You're being guarded because of people causing you problems.>Not really I've picked up on drawing and doing shit I enjoy. That is great to hear Anon.>Will take myself to study later because people are so fucking tiresome to deal with. Let alone even think about them. Yeah.>I just realize that there isn't anyone fit for me and I'm trying to accept it, one worthy friend that would at least check up on me every once in a while and share interests would be enough but the people I deal with can't even do that Similar situation as you are with being an outcast, I'd wish there was that 1 friend I could relate with on the deepest level. Thought I might have been a homosexual because I desired such a relationship like you described(I could possibly be a homosexual still though since there may be signs I exhibit)
>>34419891Stop being a needy bitch.
Idk op. I wish I was in your shoes because I initiate all the time and get nothing. I wish people would do what I asked or come to what I invite them too.
>>34424426>I could possibly be a homosexual still though since there may be signs I exhibitJust ask yourself if you'd actually touch somebody's penis and what effect would that have on you. If you find that disgusting then you are most likely straight.>being an outcastWord of advice from me, don't let yourself be fooled by "castouts", read about what they are as I have fallen victim to one of them and had to cut them off. You will probably meet someone who you would take as "true to themselves" or just fun to talk to but eventually they will use you.>>34424520Trust me if I wanted to join a normie group where I'm on the lowest point in their weird hierarchy I would have done so already.>>34424530>I initiate all the time and get nothing.Yeah except I sometimes have to literally beg for people to find time, it's so clear that I am nobody's number one it's insane. It was either keep on doing that or realize my worth and stop engaging.The easiest way to check if anyone genuinely gives a shit is pick a friend that you usually spend time with and tell yourself "if that person would like to spend time with me then they'd hit me up, they know I'm down for hanging out most of the time". You can even write them that if they want to do something then they can hit you up. The brutal truth is that nobody really likes me nor do they really care all that much about me, that's alright because majority of people that say they have "friends" are in groups where they are not respected at all. Physical appearance takes a big tool on where you end up. I've had one dumbass tall guy in my field have 4 girls orbit him just because he "was their type".
>>34424781I have experienced both physical & emotional attraction to men. And sexual/romantic fantasies. I'd touch a dick if it were clean shaven.What is difference between an outcast & castout?
Normal people don't have these problems OP. You have a vibrational energy problem. Human beings are like instruments, and those that use their muscles to express themselves interestingly or who get other people to harmonize and play along are the popular and chosen. If you do not know how to use your muscles as vibrational instruments, if you do it badly, or you do not even attempt to engage with other human beings, then you have a low vibrational energy. A lifetime of this and your entire emotional core is irreversibly damaged and your body will be programmed to be an anxious loser. Your social/charisma muscles may be withered and decayed at this point, and this process only accelerates as you get older and your body deteriorates and rots with age. You missed your chance to develop your social muscles properly, so therefore you will never get to use the ncessary tools to commicate with human beings around you, and that inability to share and express yourself has created a permanently deformed internal sense of self. Everyone else around you can tell too, there is no hiding it and its the vibrational equivalent of smelling bad. You have bad juju OP. There is no hope, there is no escape, this is not a problem human beings are equipped to solve. Historically boys were sent off to war which would have culled the weak degenerates like you. You were supposed to die with honor at like 15 trying to rape the other tribe's farm pig
>>34419891You are a mid male, it's very common, so you are invisible to most women and men. Unless they can benefit from you somehow (your looks, your status, your money, your energy, your skills, etc.) this will continue like this until you die. If you are young don't expect anybody to hang out with you unless you bring women. If you want "friends" you better befriend women and invite them to hang out with you and your "friends".
>>34427052This is how every normie maggot thinks btw OP, last thing you should want in this life is to "befriend" these vile beasts.
>>34426710>What is difference between an outcast & castout?Outcast (you and me) is a sperg that does not fit into the society, has his weird little interests and dictates his way of life. Is an "Outcast" due to the fact that he literally does not fit anywhere.Meanwhile Castouts are usually psychotic bpd bitches who were casted out of the society for their behavior and way of living. They will seem true to you and "like yourself" but eventually will show their bad side, they go as far as physical abuse.>>34427078>You are a mid maleOnly by height, I have a good face card. I talk to women on my field and they sometimes overtalk like find reasons to talk with me more and stuff like that.But yeah you're right about benefiting from the other person thing.>>34427052Define "normal people" for me please.You just sound like someone who tries to sound like a FOMO faggot.>then you have a low vibrational energy. A lifetime of this and your entire emotional core is irreversibly damagedOH NYOOOO :((((((>created a permanently deformed internal sense of self.OH MA GAHHH STAWPPPP :CCCCCCC I CRI NOW>There is no hope, there is no escapeokay this made me laugh out loud>Historically boys were sent off to warsays the fucking guy who has to solve a puzzle on an anime website in order to post>>34427080That's.... what I've been saying the whole thread
>>34424781I think touching a penis or a vagina would be pretty disgusting, to be honest.That's not how attraction works for me.
>>34419891Ever since the covid hoax I stopped interacting with the goyim cattle. I just look through them and pretend they don't exist. I don't even greet them or acknowledge their presence. I'm not staring either, I'm just looking straight through them as if they weren't there.My life has significantly improved. I am at peace
>>34427334>Outcast (you and me) is a sperg that does not fit into the society, has his weird little interests and dictates his way of life. Is an "Outcast" due to the fact that he literally does not fit anywhere. When trying to fit in, the other people find reasons to not like the outcast. Even if the outcast can manage to get a group to tolerate them, it usually wouldn't last & they find themselves rejected or rejecting. Would you agree on that?>Meanwhile Castouts are usually psychotic bpd bitches who were casted out of the society for their behavior and way of living. They will seem true to you and "like yourself" but eventually will show their bad side, they go as far as physical abuse. So basically they're the type of people that abuse you physically & psychologically?>>34427452Agree, when it comes to physical attraction i'm attracted to face, muscles. Long hair is attractive.
>>34427510>Would you agree on that?Yes. And before you notice you're given "the look" by them, so normies can just detect you're weird without doing anything wrong. It's a cruel world but it is what it is. They cannot comprehend the fact that you're different and not even in a bad way, I just feel like you won't blatantly agree to whatever they say, and it's a problem because they crave control over you and everyone else. Agreement without making it "weird". Need I remind you those groups are mostly or 50% women which is the epitome of what is "correct" and the dudebros there don't want to "scare the huzz". In their (women's) eyes men are always wrong no matter what and being someone with your own opinion or your way of living is tremendously bad for them, even if you don't hurt them. Like seriously what is considered "normal" is gossiping about other people and complaining non. fucking. stop. They have no interests and their personality is purely tiktok and being immature. I wish I was joking.
>>34427614I've learned the hard way since I take care of myself and no matter how much at peak I was with my appearance and how friendly I'd try to be it just didn't matter. I suppose I was too much to handle and it's easier to just paint someone as "weird" because you aren't like them. Those kinds of people are the worst kinds you'd find, I still remember how one of them had shown me a picture of how their friend parked shitty and said "she's not on the group and we don't really like her but she's our friend", that might as well be you, those people just wait for you to fuck up.I just want you to realize that you have your own worth and you should not chase those people, I know that in elementary you probably wanted to be a part of the "cool kids" but once you realize how shallow they are, they seriously are of no worth.>So basically they're the type of people that abuse you physically & psychologically?first they gain your trust and make you believe that they are just like you and eventually use you, yes.>>34427457Nice, how do you cope with lacking social interactions? Genuinely curious.
>>34427616This is from a recent thread about a guy who has met a psycho bitch, this guy perfectly describes what a "cast out" is. Puts it better than I ever could. You might want to hold onto this advice.
>>34427616>>34427614>>34427631>Nice, how do you cope with lacking social interactions? Genuinely curious. That guy is just a copy-paster, he does this frequently.>Yes It is scary there are people like that, they're even aware of what they do. They are willing to cause harm, what are some examples of behaviors they do?
>>34427686>They are willing to cause harm, what are some examples of behaviors they do?Well they aren't really showing it at first but they gossip a ton about you and bring down your image, typical pussy shit that you should not care about, it's inevitable to happen and you should absolutely not react with screaming.If you dare to criticize or stand up for yourself against their messiah then you will be secretly hated, you will tell from their body language and eventually it will turn into quiet ridicule, they'll begin to drop some comments and see how far they can push it but they really are just a bunch of pussies.
>>34427614>And before you notice you're given "the look" by them, so normies can just detect you're weird without doing anything wrong. It's a cruel world but it is what it is. I think I know what you're referring to. Also don't use "it is what it is" crap, you're basically passively accepting defeat in the face of adversity. It is basically admitting you're giving up, a fatalistic mindset.>Like seriously what is considered "normal" is gossiping about other people and complaining non. fucking. stop. They have no interests and their personality is purely tiktok and being immature. I wish I was joking. Maybe they'll grow up.>I still remember how one of them had shown me a picture of how their friend parked shitty and said "she's not on the group and we don't really like her but she's our friend", that might as well be you, those people just wait for you to fuck up. Yikes>I've learned the hard way since I take care of myself and no matter how much at peak I was with my appearance and how friendly I'd try to be it just didn't matter. I suppose I was too much to handle and it's easier to just paint someone as "weird" because you aren't like them. It is easier to dismiss someone that is different from the rest instead of accepting their differences.
>>34427693>It is basically admitting you're giving upYes you are right, I don't have enough willpower to care about what normies think about me, why would I try to compromise their shit behaviors and have another attempt at befriending them.>Maybe they'll grow up.Unlikely, best to stay away>It is easier to dismiss someone that is different from the rest instead of accepting their differences.yeah exactly
>>34427687I've had my worst with people my age.People accusing me of being a sex offender(rapist, molester) because I had a disheveled appearance due to being functionally depressed. Those particular people went as far to start a smear campaign of me online, trying to find where I lived & threatening my life.People accusing me of being a drug addict because of my eccentric behavior.People calling me a cannibal.I could go on with how much I had dealt with.
>>34427697>Yes you are right, I don't have enough willpower to care about what normies think about me, why would I try to compromise their shit behaviors and have another attempt at befriending them. You don't have to befriend them, however you should at least stand up for yourself. Although i'll acknowledge that sometimes giving them silence is what is most powerful.>Unlikely, best to stay away Agree
