I don't wish to have bastardized children. I don't want my children to be known as that of a mommy who was ran through by some other man before and of a cuckold daddy who'd gladly accepted the non-virgin woman as a wife & mother of my would-be children. In essence I want a virgin woman as a wife. Is it too much to ask ? I thought this was basic decency.t.26 year old dude in the East Coast
>>34422243i am currently with my first and we plan to get married, so i am le virgin wife.yes it is indeed better, but just be careful of that language. virgin women (especially if you are one as an adult, which is common unlike what incels like to think lol) tend to be scared away by redpill/manosphere talk like this, and male obsession about virgins. don't be too intense at the start or make her feel awkward by telling her how she's good and all other women are bad, avoid stuff like that and just treat her as a person.it's not too much to ask op. it's just a preference, it just often comes with this loser-y obsessive hate towards other women sadly.
>>34422314>it just often comes with this loser-y obsessive hate towards other women sadly.I understand but when the avg woman is promiscuous as hell and had been in relationship & slept with atleast 1 or 2 other dudes(casual flings excluded from the bodycount list cuz idk modern women logic I guess), it becomes very very difficult to maintain a straight face for a man with bare basic standards encounters them. It's suicidally depressing to say the least as my increasingly viable options now are either having to accept a ran though woman and destroy the honour of my parents, myself and that I shall pass on to my children or die single. Btw how old are you and your would-be husband?
>>34422243Fellow east coaster here, I'm planning on moving elsewhere in the country for better chances since the place I've grown up in is very liberal. You might have better luck if you move too, I don't think you're going to find an adult virgin woman on west or east coast states.
>>34422243Well, first fallacy here: Virgin doesn't guarantee good marriage. Non-virgin doesn't guarantee bad marriage. I grew up in an community where wait until marriage is the norm, and while the divorce rates are probably lower, it's not a foolproof method of preventing divorce, and a number of couples stay together in undesirable marriages just for religious/cultural reasons. If you're deadset on virgin and serious about it, you will eventually find what you are looking for. Yes, you can find attractive and virgin who is in her early to mid 20s. Most guys aren't serious about it though and only want to whine and complain.
>>34422243>Is it too much to ask ?Yes.
>>34422243then marry a young woman dingus. the stats in your pic are the result of women generally marrying later, nothing more
>>34422243>is this too much to ask?depends. are you a virgin? if so, no. if not, yes. go be with someone who is as whoreish as you are.
>>34422963I expect loyalty till last breath though and I am someone who will punish infidelity or cheating, divorce, etc., by death, even if it gets me hanged or electrocuted in prison. I'm also ready to lose my life if I'm unfaithful. However I do fear that given the current nature of things, this is what is going to happen anyways where I end up killing my infidel wife, her partner and then myself.
>>34423014holy based
>>34423014this isnt expectint loyalty this is expecting perfectionism. you should unironically never get married. be a monk. it will be better for everyone.
>>34423050>Expecting a wife to not cheat on her hsuband is seeking perfection Insane narcissistic foid
>>34423050>expecting something as basic as this, inspite of never having mentioned superficial preferences that the avg man has such as preferences for big tits, ass, 8+/10 pretty face and shiett is expecting perfectionismhmmmm... I thought women wanted to be judged for their personality and character and not for their superficialities.
>>34422243>26>East coastGood luck with that lol
>>34422243Just wait until marriage. It's implied that you expect the same, and if you aren't a spastic about it (i.e. you don't rant at women or make it seem like your entire personality/the only thing you care about), some women you date, even if they're not what you're looking for, might be inclined to make an introduction later on if they know of a woman who is also waiting. The more they like you as a person, the likelier it is that they'd want to play matchmaker.>>34422766>Virgin doesn't guarantee good marriage. True.>Non-virgin doesn't guarantee bad marriageNot necessarily true. It depends on what a good marriage is defined as. Happiness is just one dimension, not the sole one. Exclusivity is another, and by that measure, a non-virgin is incapable of being truly monogamous (by the original definition: one partner for life).
>>34423798I actually do want to befriend women of that type, you know, the types eager in trying match up good charactered men & women who wish to be loyal till the end and want the best for them. This will sound crude, but I think it's good for society by and large, and certainly so for the future genepool as I think narcs have been outbreeding these types of people for quite some time and have managed to alter the demographics of society itself and managed to make it more "selfish"(?). Anyways, who am I to judge?
>>34422243Past a certain age (I'd guess early 20s) a woman or man with no sexual experience would be more psychologically suspect than one who had 2 or 3 loving relationships that included sex.
>>34424163>hedonist cope
>>34422243By your own chart, 50% of women have 3 or fewer partners before marriage. Assuming that one is the man they eventually marry, and noting that the average age for first marriage is 30, that means going through their pre-marriage twenties with only 2 or fewer partners. Would you be happy with having only 2 sex partners before you're 30?
>>34422243The average little old lady goes to her grave having had 6 sex partners in her 90+ years, at least two of them husbands.
>>34424169nah. I don't want to be a cuck and dishonour my children. I think the avg man would think in the same way, but is rather too scared to say it out loud for the fear of being called as an incel, a virgin loser or a hypocritical faggot. I could care less what people call me, but I just don't want a ran through woman, get known as a cuckold and ruin my children's future. I'll say this once again: I would be tainting the legacy of my parents, mine and that of the children by marrying a ran through woman & having children with her.I'm a virgin btw.
>>34423080thats not what i said and you should really think about why you interpreted me that way
>>34424169Most of the guys here are virgins or low body count themselves
>>34424187>I'm a virgin btw.Things you didn't have to tell us.
>>34424493I had to as I risk being accused as a hypocrite
>>34424568You cannot really win in the virgin position. They will either call you a hypocrite or a sad incel.
>>34424583>They will either call you a hypocriteHow can they when I'm not someone who has had sex>incelyeah they will, but doesn't that mean even le tall, handsome gigachad would be a spineless cuckold loser who still has to wife up a ran through stacey and churn out literal bastard children? Think about it from the child's perspective. Heck just think about it from le genetically superior stacey's perspective for that matter as to what she thinks of le genetically superior chad who was ready to be a good little spineless cuckold. I'm beginning to think that being called an incel would be a compliment as I was atleast not a spineless cuckold desperate enough to wife up a ran through slut.
>>34424635What counts as "ran through" to you? Any woman who's ever had sex outside of marriage? A woman who's only had sex in committed long term relationship? A woman who's had a single one night stand outside of a relationship? Where do you draw the line?
>>34424685>Where do you draw the line?A woman who has had sex with another man who was not her mate her for life. That's it. Simple as. I wish to have only 1 partner for life and I expect the same from her. Why are you trying to complicate it when virginity has been stressed here long enough? I get to take the virginity of my wife and she gets to take mine and both of us remain exclusive to each other till our last breaths i.e. monogamy for life and not some crazy shit like "serial monogamy" which is fancier way of saying polygamy over an extended time frame.
>>34424707>>34424685A small addendum:A woman is also ran through when she's exclusive to only 1 man for life, but since she is exclusive to that one man, she ain't a hoe/slut.
>>34424707So you're going to wait until marriage?
>>34424732even better:A non virgin woman is literally a ran through woman. It's only problem if she isn't mate for life with only 1 man. Same goes for men, but I think you could care less about it.
>>34424746>Same goes for men, but I think you could care less about it.Why the double standard? Elaborate
>>34424742yeah and if that means I'm going to die childless as there are no virgin woman, then so be it. Better to die a childless celibate than be a spineless cuckold. I don't know about women but I get a feeling that even ran through women feel a teeny tiny sense of unconscious shame & disgust of men ready to accept them. Like c'mon, how pathetic & hypogonadic do you have to be as a man to ruin your past, present and future honour ffs? Your chldren will always be known as that of a slut mother and cuckoldry loving father
>>34424754I don't have the double standard though. It's just that women place a high value on a man who is sexually experienced and already vetted by other women. Pre-selection effect. Mathew principle. You get the picture.
>>34424754Not the op, but the double standard exists because men value chastity in women while vice versa isn’t typically true.
>>34424755Did your mom sleep around on your dad or something? This kind of hate doesn't come from nowhere.>but I think you could care less about it.That is textbook double standard. How is the below statement any different than what you had said?>It's just that men place a high value on a woman who is sexually experienced and already vetted by other men. Pre-selection effect. Mathew principle. You get the picture.
>>34424774Nope.Both of them were exclusive to each other and they were introduced to each other by our relatives, an arranged marriage of sorts if you will. Bot of my parents came from very conservative backgrounds, so it was expected of them to not be degenerates. Both of them have never drunk, smoke, nor have even consumed freaking lindt chocolate of rum flavour. Lol. They may not be ultra orthodox religious, but they're very much socially conservative. >double standardI don't have that though, atleast to my knowledge. Women and perhaps other andrew tate types do. Do they call it unidirectional monogamy where the woman is monogamous but the man isn't?
>>34424791>>34424774and forgive for my typos
>>34424791I've noticed most people I know in arranged marriages are pretty happy honestly, I'm glad it worked out for them>Both of them have never drunk, smoke, nor have even consumed freaking lindt chocolate of rum flavourRum flavoured stuff is my kryptonite, that's the only thing I can confidently say they're missing out on.Butterscotch isn't far off though lol>Do they call it unidirectional monogamy where the woman is monogamous but the man isn't?Pretty sure that's just cuckoldry, same as the inverse. Those agreements are usually consensual agreements within an established relationship.From what I can determine about the above you believe that any man who's been with a woman who isn't a virgin is a cuck, how does that work with female preselection bias selecting experienced men?
>>34422243god damn i hate women so god damn much
>>34422314also married with my first and only! i 100% second this. lots of men are too pushy and weird about it, or are only into virgins for their pedo fantasies, and they expect the virgin to fulfill their sexual fantasies as well. it is quite upsetting. be normal and you can have a virgin wife!
>>34424815>how does that work with female preselection bias selecting experienced men?women & men don't think that hard when it comes to casual hookups or situationships, and it was in that context that I'd stated the pre-selection effect. They might think about it even if he was a "Chad", both from a disrespectful sense(how can he accept a ran through woman like me without a spine?) & fearful sense(won't my children inherit the traits associated with promiscuity, infidelity, etc. and be miserable?) if they consider him for marriage, but I don't know to be honest. I don't even know what % of promiscuous people are happily married for more than 50+ years, but I think it's quite low.>>34424851>also married with my first and only!congrats>pedo fantasiesquite the opposite as those who value virginity value family, honour, stability, loyalty and I guess even altruism in a sense. I wouldn't be suprised if pedos had more in common with promiscuous folks who treat others as pieces of meat to be used, abused and disposed later>pushy and weirdsome just do it to humiliate the avg woman out there and still fuck these very same women for fun(again think of andrew tate) but other folks who may've a similar worldview as myself, but do not express things in a subtle way, do it out of self-respect and dignity that often comes off as comical. >>34424823I don't think your grandma or great grandma was like this. Sure there have been a good load of ladies who took their nasty secrets to their graves, but there have also been plenty(more than 60% I would say) who weren't degenerates.Anyways folks, I don't want to reply to any of your posts for the next 20 hours as I've some serious work to do. If this thread is still up after that, say till Sunday night, then I might chime in. I shall try to bump this thread every couple of hours, but I won't be able to interact with you. thank you for your time, suggestions & lamentations and please do have a happy weekend.
>>34424987>20 hours20 or certainly more hours *
>>34424987>>pedo fantasies>quite the opposite as those who value virginity value family, honour, stability, loyalty and I guess even altruism in a sense. ...Your personal beliefs are not the generally held opinion of those men who are obsessive over virgins. Virgin-obsessed men are often looking for a young and subservient target to project abuse (not just physical, I'm talking all kinds) onto. Their idea is that a young woman is easier to manipulate and use to their advantage, commonly as a hybrid maid and sex toy. While I appreciate your wholesome view of the virgin, you are not the average man who boldly and loudly proclaims that "virgins are better".
>>34422243Same problem here. I don’t want to settle for a wife like that.Two years ago, I escaped a nearly identical situation. She revealed her past relationships to me—all six of them, and each lasted only one to four weeks.I knew right then and there that this generation of women is hopeless. I was so happy four months into the relationship. I wish I had never known about it.That wasn’t the only reason it didn't work. She started talking to some guy all day, and I ended it right then for a week; it was all semi-flirty texts. She begged me to let her hang out with him at a club with his friends late into the night.Though I don’t feel this specific incident is enough to say, "Once a whore [promiscuous person], always a whore [promiscuous person]," I have to generalize and say that these days the saying is true after seeing how women act now.Too much freedom has caused this; however, I am not entirely against it. It just really sucks for people like you because, at your age, finding a virgin is like finding gold under your basement floor.No amount of convincing is going to change my mind about girls not holding tight to the feelings of "first instances," like the first kiss, first time having sex, and everything else that is a first. Knowing this and not finding a virgin is just tough for sensitive guys.Try being a little more open. Maybe go for girls with one or two solid relationships that didn't work out due to reasons beyond their control—like moving to another country, a partner passing away, or any genuine reason you consider acceptable.
>>34422243Don't bother asking women about body count, they'll just lie and everyone knows they will lieAsk them for the dude's names instead, and last namesTheir response would be far more telling
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>>34425163Source?
>>34422243ah, you're afraid of disappointing a woman sexually so you're going after a woman who hasn't had sex before. Smart.
>>34424169i only want 1 person for life. men and women who want to sleep around are whores and should not get married or have children imo.
>>34426405I want a virgin wife. I dont think I have ever really felt what you are describing but if I did it would be completely justified and fair not wanting to compete with someones former lovers.
>>34425239he can just date younger women.
>>34422243I don't think you have to worry about any of these things, OP. Honestly, I think you'll be okay. You'd have to be desirable to women for any of these things to be an issue.
>>34426587>it would be completely justified and fair not wanting to compete with someones former loversAsk me how I know you've never touched a woman before
>>34424163This is just not true. Virginity is completely normal.
>>34425239>Maybe go for girls with one or two solid relationships that didn't work out due to reasons beyond their controlThe only legitimate excuse is a woman who waited until marriage but then justifiably divorced when the guy turned out to be a cheater or abusive. While it's not a moral stain on a woman if she was widowed, she's still not able to be exclusive with anyone else. The fact that she'd even try to replace the relationship devalues what she had with her late husband. Everything else is a direct result of her own choices--if she gets intimate without commitment, and then the relationship fizzles out for one reason or another, the fact of her past was the risk she willingly assumed. It's not something anyone should get a free pass on, lest that behavior be encouraged.
Blog post: I am a somewhat selfisolating sperg lanklet. I have declined sex with women around 4 times and a couple more edge cases where it is hard to determine intentions. Dumped gf. Rejecting 2 girls asking me out. All because of my view of intimacy and wanting someone like me. I was even sad I gave away my first kiss to my ex-gf on some level. I don't want to sleep around and I am proud of waiting and would have it no other way.When I found out that most women don't actually hold that sort of romantic idea of relationships and family to the extent I was crushed.It isn't really about valuing virginity per se since I am very ok with widows etc. But consensual sex while not married/engaged seems completely retarded to me. I just do things to fill the void like train and martial arts, mess with computers. But the fact is that deep down I want to kill myself over it. No one will love me like I love them.Also I am way too well-read on the history the sexual revolution and its intellectual basis which i reject outright so there is 0 chance of me submitting to normie dogma or reddit advice.https://youtu.be/acdJteG572w?is=HZUbVui6fI85Y9kg
>>34426746>gave away my first kiss>I am way too well-read on the history the sexual revolution and its intellectual basisHoly fucking autistic batman
>>34426679Have you seen the average divorcee?
>>34425735Memories of a dude's name?None at all
>>34426782He's still based.>>34426812Yeah, but I'm not referring to the average. I specifically qualified it by saying ONLY a woman who waited until marriage. That's not your typical divorcee. Even controlling for religion (and controlling for the small but significant portion of retards who marry within a couple months of meeting so they can have "legitimate" sex), those who wait are both more likely to have a happy marriage and less likely to divorce. So among the few people who wait, they're also less likely to have problems in their relationships. If they're 5% of marriages, they're maybe 2% of divorces, if that.
