What happens if I just cold approach anyone starting with
>Hey, do you have a boyfriend? >Yes- Bye!
>No - Sorry for the intrustion, I thought you look cute, I'm anon, I would like to hang out with you some time.
If they comment something, I'd keep the ball rolling. If they don't, I'd text them and get ignored. Is this a good approach?

As a matter of fact, I have nothing in common with nobody, so I have nothing to make conversation of. I have shit observation skills. I only have humor if I feel good and I feel bad almost all the time. I get embarrassed of people talking about me so lingering would work against me. Women almost always have a boyfriend at all times so I'm getting rejected anyway. The spaces I go to (university, japanese classes) are all men, and invading women spaces like dance is creepy and they would look down on me, they're also expensive and don't contribute to my career.

So, I can't play the game. Is this fine?

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i dont have any confidence due to my lack of human experiences (not necessarily with women)

Can i somehow get chicks if i lean into my complete lack of manhood? should I start sykkuno-maxxing, i have a similar energy to him.

>>34432920
You can play the game. You just have to learn about yourself. Find peace being alone first before interacting with people. After that is done, learn to be patient when things don't go your way. I know a lot of people are gonna call me delusional for this, and it is a bit, but remember in RPG games dialogue options have a chance of success if you pass or fail? That is reality with communication, even with me now I don't know if what I said passed to where you thought I made sense or failed to where you pressumed I was some deranged lunatic on the internet like most people would think of me. Communication is always chance, anon. You should never beat yourself over chance. If you don't beat yourself up for when you get a scratch ticket at a gas station and all the areas you scratched off left you empty-handed you shouldn't do the same for communication, even if it is life or death. Animals have to hunt to survive everyday and they don't worry about chance so neither should you. Still hoping for that roll where you thought I made sense.

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You're too much of an awkward pussy who can't handle tension or conflict to ever be charismatic around women

I yawn at catposting troons

I regret downloading hinge. You guys were right, attractive women don’t need dating apps. Time to learn how to approach irl

>>34432991
Yeah well, life moves on and I wonder if I get the same with the next woman. You aren't God so you can't say every woman thinks the same about me. Even then I'd rather be human than right.

GUYS. I'm sorry. Please ignore my last post. You're actually totally going to make it. Let me give you a breakdown of why:
>your emotional reactivity in conversation is HOT - you MUST always say "just kidding haha" any time you say anything that isn't a statement or question of fact in case she gets the wrong idea. Ambiguity and tension = PUSSY DRY!!!!!!
>you beating around the bush about asking for her number makes her SQUIRT
>the fact that you take everything she says super seriously and spend 5 minutes ironing out the logistical details of every little idea she pukes out at you is simply spine-tingling for her
>letting the conditioning induced by your BPD single mom oversocialized nightmare childhood lead you to compulsively assure her and take on a very feminine lilting tone of voice and generally converse like her gay BFF is PRIMING her to get FUCKED HARD by YOU!!!
In short, just keep doing what you're doing king. Especially >>34433001. If this is the sort of thing that runs through your head, you're literally 5 minutes from PUSSYTOWN YOU-ESS-AYE!

>>34432920
Instant rejection unless you're Brad Pitt. A cold approach requires at least some conversation prior to popping the question. If you can't bring yourself to make five minutes of small talk, you're going to crash and burn on a first date anyway.

I already made a thread about it here >>34411405, but tell me if there was even a small opening or something.
>customer comes to pick up two books she ordered in late February
>she's missing a missing a book, so I tell her that I can get the company to print out a second book
>she leaves her number for us to call her when it's ready
>she comes to pick up the second book
>she smiles and waves when she sees me
>she apologies because she thought she sounded rude when I called her to tell her it's ready because she was at work
>I let her know that it's fine and I understand
>she calls about 20 minutes later because her book wasn't printed properly
>I hear her out, let her know that it can be redone again or she can get a refund, but if there's another mistake, then we'll just proceed with the reimbursement
>she says she appreciates the fact that I'm trying to rectify the problem and asked me for my schedule because she wants to take a look at the order with me
>two week later I left her a message telling that she can pick up her books
>she shows up two days later
>same wave and smile, and says "remember me"
>I gave her her books(the production center printed 2 of each just in case)
>she opens it in front of me
>we chat for a bit about how odd the situation was
>she tells me to take one of the books
>I took one of the ones she didn't like
>we wave goodbye and she says happy Easter

She was kind throughout the whole situation, but it probably doesn't mean much. I was told that if a woman is being kind instead of businesslike, then there's a chance that she may have been attracted to you. I somewhat doubt that because many women have complained about men mistaking their kindness for flirting. I want to hear what some of you have to say about this. I thought about being more casual, but I just didn't want to weird her out or get in trouble.

>>34432955
Thinking of success rates like that all the time has contributed to feeling pressured and have my mind go blank all these years. I think what you say works for most, but trust that I'm an outlier as you can't imagine. Imagine that I'm a feral child who was taught to study and nothing more. Can't make a better metaphor, you get the savage fear, social cluelessness and domestication through threats.

>>34433007
I have no idea what you're talking about. What you say feels like a back-handed compliment. Why not go with the flow? Not everything has to be about status anon. I believe this is why people like you keep calling me a faggot, because it is embarassingly low status and you want high status like a king right? How about you be your own king instead of fitting everyone's definition of it. I am my own king, so I don't give a fuck if I show up to a party and people think I look like a faggot or some shit like that. Calling me pussy, you are a pussy because you're too worried about looking like a pussy. People who aren't pussies just go with the flow not give a shit about looking like a pussy. What are you 14 in a house party of teenagers?

>>34433018
You have to take a risk anon. Take risks not if it looks right to your family or friends or the world, but for you. I know the fear of fucking up bothers you. However, as long as you have purpose in what you say or do, there is nothing to worry about.

>>34433008
I definitely can't small talk. That's not me. What now then? I go to the therapist and he doesn't teach me to small talk, he tells me to "be myself" and "expose".

>>34433059
You know what, focus on getting rid of your fear of taking risks not saying the right thing that catches people's attention.

>>34433059
You have to be willing to be humiliated anon. Instead of looking at this humiliation as leading to a god awful consequence, look at yourself as a survivor for putting yourself out there and going through it.

>>34433009
Meh, too friendly, I don't think so personally.

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Just landed my first real relationship, and with an absolute stunner to boot. I have advice for people with Autism and/or Anxiety, especially if you're a student: Go to extracurricular clubs. Not just any clubs tho: Ones that represent your special interests. All that time obsessing over your hobbies will turn you into one of the biggest experts there, and as long as you're not domineering, that knowledge is sexy. Admittedly I'm also 6ft 3 and am told I have a good face so I realize I have some privilege, though I am slightly overweight. I do think as long as you present yourself well tho it should be no issue. I struggled a lot with the transactional nature of online dating and ghosting, and I don't think that's uncommon.

Just know that if you're insecure about your mental conditions, it's not insurmountable. The hardest part really is asking her/him/them out. Godspeed, people.

>>34434365
What if your special interests are all solitary?

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This is going to seem a bit weird but I don't want to start a new thread.

There's a girl who hates me at work, she eventually became a manager and moved to another store, her best friend started working with me, and at first was acting very weird and was obviously nervous, she acted as if she knew who I was before I even introduced myself, which was highly evident with how social and open she was with everyone else except for me, so clearly the girl who hates me told her friend all about me. Anyways, every now and then her friend will steal glances at me, laugh at my jokes, join in on conversations, but when it comes to just us two? She'll just stay quiet and act distant. One day in particular I was reading in front of the grill and she came up to put a bag on the clothesline, and once she hung up the bag, she turned to look at me and stared for 3 seconds and then walked away, her face was neutral and her body language indicated she was shy. Does she like me? Does she want me to talk to her first? Is she shit testing me? Is she fishing for a reaction so she can tell her friend about me? Help me socially awkward autists.

None of the 18 year olds in my town are white… I think the white genocide thing is real. And I’m only attracted to white women..

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>>34432869
I find it so annoying how feminists exploit lonely men. I don't even buy le red pill or whatever but when I see them trying to "fix" incels it's super fucking obvious they're just trying to suppress an ideology that goes against theirs. If these men tomorrow were just as or even lonelier but had their ways of organizing support groups cut off, these feminists wouldn't give a fuck. Because it isn't about actually helping young men, it's shutting them up so you can keep being a stronk independant womeeen.
You can even tell because these women will be against porn, but not against OnlyFans exploitation or anti-men posts on the internet or communities built around leeching off of men. And then they'll claim they're oppressed by the magical patriarchy that somehow doesn't benefit men at all.

>>34434852
Society benefits females in every way and males are blamed. But white males specifically are the scapegoat and the face for all men, even though statistically there’s more rape, murder, pedophilia from other races. Being a white male in 2026 is demoralizing, best you can hope for is a decent paying job to pay for distractions.

Boys I am just losing my fucking mind because I can't do what I want to do

>be me
>relatively poor
>just want to go out drinking and meeting girls at bars
>incapable of doing this sober
>got a DUI before so I can't drive myself to the bar or I will actually have to go jail for a second DUI
>it costs like 60 dollars to UBER from my house to the bars and back
>a hotel room close to the bars costs even more
>i rode my bike to the bars once and it took me forever to stop being sweaty and then I puked when I was riding my bike home drunk and it was terrible
>I have a few friends who I could get rides from but they have busy lives and relying on them for this probably won't last long
>I also could drive myself, keep a detailed record of how many drinks I have had on my phone and try calculating when I am good to drive home. Go out for 4 hours and drink 4 beers or whatever. But that will give me a lot of anxiety on that drive home I REALLY don't want to get another DUI

I think the solution is to make friends with fags at the bar and get some regular drinking buddies who wouldn't have a problem ferrying me but easier said than done. I actually have a lot harder time making male friends than picking up girls because I have such a reversion to coming across as a faggot to other guys or something.

Im recently single after 1.5 years of going through a toxic relationship that I should've ended long ago

I dont feel like getting on the apps this time around. Im approaching mid-30s, and live in a populated city. Are my best best bars and social groups?

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I can't tell if this is supposed to be ironic, but I have a feeling she's just retarded.

>doin sport
>cute girl that also does it comes up to me after
>omg its always so fun to watch you, you're so cool, what's your name
>anon, what's yours?
>anonnette
>c-cool, nice to meet you, hope to see you around again
>you too!
AAAAAAAAAAAAAA
did i fuck up? this is the only place in town to go for my sport so i'm really hesitant on trying anything with anyone and ruining my place there.
but i feel like i just blew a shot.

I'll be taking her out on a date where I plan to move things to the next level, have her be my girlfriend. Should I go for the kiss or tell her I want to be in a relationship first?

>>34435265
Definitely a fumble but to be fair I would have done the same. You might have a chance still if you see her around again.

I really want to see if there is any tutorials on how to kiss anywhere on Youtube. And I also kind of want to research all those cold approach videos with guys having seductive small talk with girls.

Despite never having a girlfriend, I have been dancing a lot with some girls at the bar and getting their socials. Nothing more happens after that and I want to see if I could maybe get a little more small talk and making out with them while dancing in order to actually get laid.

>>34435367
I think if I see her soon, I might just say hi and try and pass her my number in case she needs "advice" since I'm a bit better than she is. And if we get talking and things are going smooth after then maybe I'll make a move.

But at least for now I want a place for my hobby more than I'd want to date any of the girls there. Although they are really attractive.

>>34435374
Yes, there are tutorials for kissing, but if you really don't know how, try going slowly and let her guide you. Some girls like the fact that it's the man's first time doing everything (I'm telling you this from my friends' experiences). Good luck!

I had an abusive family and cptsd from it, I spent my life getting screamed at for dumb shit and then blamed for it, therapy didn't help, I just don't understand flirting, dating etc.

Someone above said something about being comfortable being alone, but i don't have a family and im so horny and lonely it hurts, you can't just decide to stop being in pain.

I have no idea how to even start getting better.

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>>34434622
If she really hated you, she would go out of her way to never look at you again
One of my friends met his future wife because some other girls were spreading the rumor that he was a potential school shooter, and that made her curious rather than driving her away
>he's not dangerous at all btw, he's just autistic

You give off 'potential school shooter' vibes to your co-worker, in a good way

>>34435797
I'm talking about the girls friend, she's acting that way, not her, the girl who hates me works at another store now, and in fact ruined a friendship I had with another girl I met at work.

>>34435932
We're talking about the same person, your current co-worker
She does like you because if she didn't she would never choose to speak to you
Her friend must have made you about to be a really interesting asshole, somehow
Just talk to her more and ask her out

Curious about what girl's friend, one who is a manger is so upset about

>In similar situation but both girls still work in same building as me
>One I'm banned from speaking to, the other I can talk to but she has a boyfriend

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Does it really make a difference if you talk to a girl IRL or online? Some chick I met once years ago goes to some event every week and I was thinking of showing up and flirting with her. Is there any point or should I just follow her on Instagram and DM her? Will it actually make a difference as to whether or not I fuck her?

>>34436013
My bad I kind of just glanced at your post in a hurry. Anyways, she doesn't speak to me, she laughs at my jokes and some of my comments but apart from that doesn't really interact much. Sometimes after I have a long conversation with other people with her in the room, she'll keep stealing glances at me from time to time but when it comes to us two in the same room, she acts distant and doesn't say anything.

As for the other girl, it's a really long story, but basically when I first started working here she tried talking to me, I ignored her, she got mad and started being bitchy. Here's mostly everything in green text
>hit me near the groin but did it in a way to leave enough plausible deniability so I couldn't report her
>dropped salad containers on my head but this time a girl saw her do it and asked her why she was hurting me and she said "it was an accident!" which clearly no one bought
>blocked me from interacting with another girl while her back was turned by standing in front me essentially cock blocking me
>ruined my friendship with another female coworker by spreading some lie to get her to block me on everything (recent)
>every now and then she would act like she's annoyed by my presence passive aggressively (moving to the far end of the room to avoid me, moving her head to the side when we make eye contact, doing exaggerated moves to make it seem like she's annoyed)
>told all of her friends outside of work about me
>would sometimes talk shit about me while i wasn't there
etc.
Once I was standing outside waiting for my shift to start, she shows up with her friend to pick up her check, right as she's about to pass me, she puts her foot on the fountain near us and just stands there until her friend comes up and pushes her forward by the shoulders to force her to walk past me and as they're both leaving, the other girl asks her "is that [my name]" but she just stays quiet and walks away. She's flirted with me sometimes though so idk.

>>34436095
IRL always has better odds of success than online.

>>34435444
Are they really going to be guiding me slowly if they are college girls around my same age?

Like I would think that they want to talk to someone that knows how to kiss and other shit like that.

How does someone lead off asking questions into getting into her pants? I never got how people to get from point A to point B relatively fast.

>>34432869
she looks hot tho

>>34436300
My go to is playing with her hair. If she doesn't object, go for a kiss. After that, it's smooth sailing

>>34436482
I'm talking more about in text form. Because I don't want to get friend zoned by being TOO friendly.

>>34433007
kek

You know what? What if you are so weak that you are defenseless to a group of hot women suddenly having sex with you? Think of that instead of beating yourself up for being weak.

Can someone post that pic of the Chad with the Asian wife and 2 kids?

Niggers, why is she chasing me now that i stopped having a crush on her and have a text exchange with her only once a week if she doesn't initiate?

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Just realized I'm a complete social retard who can't read subtle social cues at all.

Is a woman choosing to use a threadmill near me mean anything? Or is it one of those "choosing signals" that women shoot at you with only mild interest behind it.

What can I say without sounding like a creep or retard in this situation?

>>34437283
I'm sorry man but it means nothing.
In your neurodivergent brain you probably would pick a distant treadmill away from people by instinct but normies don't think that way, they just pick one

>>34437291
Unless he was actively disgusting, I guess the small victory here is women don't mind being in close proximity with him, which is a decent step 1 for the lost

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>>34437291
Thanks anon, that really solves the puzzle for me. My autistic ass only recognizes women staring daggers at me.

>>34437283
Yes, women signal interest by putting themselves in front of you usually. You just have to be reactive enough to initiate communication with her.

>>34437283
Looking for subtle ques like this will only put you in your head and put you in an analytical headspace which is pussy repellant in itself.

Chad just assumes women like him. And if it turns out he is wrong he just assumes she is stressed out from work, has a beta provider husband, is a retarded bitch, or whatever and it has nothing to do with him.

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I'm so far fucking behind on this shit even if I do pull a girl I don't know how to make out, I'm fuckin cooked man

>>34436865
What?

>>34437461
eh its not that hard and there is no established best principles as far as I as I know. Just dont start licking her face or whatever.

>>34437461
>i'm so far fucking behind on this shit
More and more guys are in your situation while more and more girls are getting ran through by the time they graduate high school. This isn’t sustainable, society is about to reset

Fuck this noise. I'll just binge a bunch of Instagram pick up artist bros to see how to usually flirt with a girl

>>34434897
Gaming other guys into being willing to be your designated driver is fundamentally no different from gaming women into being your flesh light. Apply yourself and you will reap rewards. Being a leader of men is top tier alpha shit

Guys I don't fucking get it. By all incel, r9k and general perception I should be a fucking Chad. Tell me where the fuck I am going wrong because I don't get these bitches.
I am 6,8 (2,03m) tall, lean, dress well, white, blue/green eyes, 29. I can dance and have a social circle.
Tonight I went to the club with some friends. Without sounding even more arrogant I got some looks from the girls. I asked three/four to dance with me. All of them rejected me. I didn't want to grind up on them but really dance.
What the fuck am I doing wrong?

Cringe time :3

>did a basic bitch intro with a girl
>she stopped after my 3rd message
>next day
>wake up from a nap
>message her "pretty boring intro huh, I should just invite you over to bake cookies together cus its raining all week"
>get unmatched

I'm really good at coming up with awkward faggy shit... a little too good

>>34436962
prob because you stopped dumping and being more alouf/distant

>>34438309
Asking for permission is cringe.
Dancing is cringe (it's 2026 and you're 29yo).
Gotta be more fluid/naturale (I don't know how to do this)

>>34438309
really hard to say without seeing you. I almost always tell guys to go out and approach but you are an exception. You are 6 fucking 8. You just need to get on an app. There you will find some absolutely gorgeous 6'3 amazon woman who cant find a man because she is too tall for almost all of us.

You might need to ask friends or people you know personally why others might find out offputting. There is certainly something off about you but we cant diagnose on 4chan

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Don’t think, just react.

>>34438324
yeah I feel like meeting any girl of quality is out of the question at clubs. I just like to dance personally and get lost in the music.
the asking part is true I should just take their hand and lead.
I am not a turbo autist (not anymore) but yeah I'd say I was/am a mentalcel more than anything.
any advice on being smoother/more natural?
>>34438325
Hinge banned me. that app worked really well. Tinder fucking sucks and I haven't tried anything else. I did not get many matches even with my height :( Maybe I need better pictures a better bio
My personality maybe idk like I said, mental blocks. And I am not escalating enough. I still respect women too much and actually ask for their name before groping them haha Chad just does it.

>>34438342
>I still respect women too much and actually ask for their name before groping them haha Chad just does it.

yeah even from this comment I can tell you are socially uncalibrated and weird. Get a burner phone and get back on hinge. Find yourself a super tall girl thats pretty and can handle your autism.

>>34437482
Can it reset fucking faster? I don't care if things go back to normal when I'm 40.

>>34436135
So you think there's a chance that she would go out with me IRL whereas she wouldn't if I DMed her on Insta?

>>34438309
6'8'' is around the "ok, stop growing faggot" range. The cap is around 6'3'' before you start becoming *too* tall for most girls

>>34436618
By asking her out. You don't want to text too long and when you're texting, keep it humorous

>>34434298
I thought so too. Some people are just little kinder than others, so it doesn't mean much.

You got to bring up buttfucking with the first 5 minutes. Minutes 4 to 5 are best

I feel better now knowing my aching feeling of
>tfw no gf
Stems from coping about how I dont actually love myself and I just wanted to insert that feeling onto somebody else.
>>34437461
Eh who isnt. Its nothing to get upset over as long as you try to improve yourself a bit each day and learn to like yourself.
>>34438309
Sure women like tall dudes but it is vastly overstated how much success it brings you. Im tall but only around 6'3 and I have piss poor luck with dating apps and meeting women in general. Being of normal height but socially outgoing/entertaining or being a cute twink is much more effective than being tall and autistic. But honestly who doesnt think they are missing something?

>>34439342
The height thing IS an advantage. All anyone can do is put themselves out there, though, so it isn't anyone (here)'s fault

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Not exactly a KHV but I might as well be. I've been to these threads on and off for a few years, and I've seen all kinds of turbo autists who have anxiety over simply talking to girls, who need hand-holding and a whole script for every step in asking a girl out, texting her, and going on a date. But what confuses me is that I don't think I've ever seen anyone here talk about sex or even just kissing. There's such a thing as a good kisser and being good in bed, but no one talks about it or gives any advice or asks about it. And yeah, few here make it that far, but some anons get matches or dates and then come back with a story and ask why everything went wrong. I have never seen that for sex or kissing. No story about a girl getting annoyed in bed, or looking bored, or even changing her mind halfway through and leaving. But more than that, I'd expect to see way more stories of anons with performance anxiety, failing to get hard or being so overwhelmed they end up backing out of sex. Or even just stories of disappointment about mediocre and boring sex. Hell, I've seen plenty of anons who've had sex multiple times in the past yet still need help fucking talking to girls and getting dates. It seems backwards to me. I mention it because I heard your first time is going to be embarrassing no matter what, and it's better to do it with someone you're comfortable with, which makes sense. But that was many years ago, and things are different now. Many here will tell you you need to fuck by date three or four, and to never let the woman know if you're a virgin. That seems like a tall order to me. I know sex is something that comes naturally and you're not supposed to think about it, but so is fucking talking and anons can't even do that. So what's the idea? What am I missing? Any anons who made it want to talk about what their first time was like, or tell some embarrassing sex stories?

>>34438316
Honestly not that cringe.
Girls are either into you or they're not, if they're not bothering being interesting at the start they probably were never going to be.

So best to just ask them out and get it over with quickly rather than get lead on with a bunch of 1 word blunt responses.

>>34438318
I wasn't dumping, but i was very rapey and pushy

>>34439683
fucking autocorrect I meant simping of course

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>got tomboy fwb in oct/nov
>chilling for a while
>caught feelings but didnt do anything because dates were going kinda good imo and we even planned a trip, but still accidentally acting like a shithead and not being responsive or showing high interest
>think she'll ask to date any day now
>get sick need surgery in january, cancel trip, she doesnt seem to care much
>horrifying weight of surgery that could fail shuts me down, become zombie and play games after work to numb
>grandma has stroke 2 days before surgery
>we start seeing each other again first week of feb, set back in new grad school semester, spend valentines weekend studying
>at her place next weekend, says she got drunk and fucked a dude without a condom, when her iud was expired, but he was tested
>show concern, says she doesnt want a relationship and it was reckless but implies its ok because we arent dating
>frozen on couch uncomfortable knowing i did this by not taking initiative
>leave after a bit
>cant sit with it, text 2 weeks later try very chill
>she was open but not willing to be exclusive but would hear me out
>realize i wanted to date her but settle for
>clarify and said
>says no, wants freedom to pursue a ltr with others, no long term desire with me, bye
>unsolicited follow up next day explaining her insecurity and lack of perceived interest during the relationship
>clarify that interest was there, but communication and emotional expression were lacking
Bros what do i do, its been a month. The advice ive gotten has been overwhelmingly move on but I'm not able to. My last relationship was very secure, i thought i was past all this. Im athletic, make 6 figs, actually handsome, nice car, so good at sex i made her tear her blanket she was gripping the sheets so hard

>>34439781
Forgot to fix this part
>cant sit with it, text 2 weeks later try and reach out very chill
>she was open to seeing me but not willing to be exclusive
>tell her i like spending time and wanna see her again
>says she will hear what exclusivity with me looks like
>realize i wanted to date her but settle for proposing being fwbs because i dont think she will date me
>says no, wants freedom to pursue a ltr with others, she doesnt think she sees me as a compatible person for a ltr
>confused, clarify i wanna date too
>unsolicited follow up next day explaining her insecurity and lack of perceived interest during the relationship and so she pulled awat
>clarify that interest was there, but communication and emotional expression were lacking, i was just following the thing i assumed she wanted
said we should meet up to talk over dinner, but if it was a no, theres no need to reply
Fuck. I know ill only have a tiny chance and thats if i can get over this but the pressure to do so is making me stuck. Theres no way out huh bros? I started going to therapy because of this shit. She didnt really know what i was going through, only surgery, but not really how serious it was. She didnt seem to care, even when i joked i had lost 15lbs due to stress once.

Work with this girl and we’re good friends yet of course I’m interested in something more. Drink too much and one time we were out told her I had feelings for her. Said she had considered it but because of working together etc it wouldn’t work out.
Fair and I was moving on. Still very close and I sort of fluctuate from being certain she’s in to me and certain she’s not into me. Very handsy when we’re hanging out, if I was less autistic I could determine if it was flirting.
Basically this whole situation is driving me crazy as I am decidedly too into her. Don’t know how to move things towards a romantic relationship or just move on. Would prefer the former obviously but I am not going to be suicidal if things don’t work out. The seeming limbo is what drives me crazy.

>>34439414
I had, and still do have, erectile dysfunction from prone-fucking my mattress while flaccid from the age of 8 to the age of 30. And then sleeping 5 hours a night for 5 years. The first time I tried to have sex I couldn't get hard. She stayed with me anyway, we got by on me fingerfucking her and sucking her tits which I enjoyed even if it wasn't direct sexual pleasure. Finally got some viagra from GoodRX and plapped her in a hotel room. I couldn't cum though. Viagra got less effective. Finally I started sleeping better after I got laid off and finally quit prone masturbation. I was never able to cum from normal masturbation. Now I can although it's a struggle and at least my dick gets fully hard when I climax but it's a struggle to maintain a boner even while masturbating. Feel a lot of tension in my perineum. Went to PT for pelvic floor dysfunction and did the exercises but improvement is slow. At least it's something. I still need Viagra to fuck though.

>>34439970
I did this too, just had surgery for a urethral stricture. If you have trouble pissing go to the doc, but its not gonna be fun. I get hard, but its a little flimsy at the base, and doesnt stand straight its like 45 degrees down. It does the job well and i dont lose erections. Were both 30, my doc also said that yea, you arent 15 anymore, so grown men dont usually get random erections or actually keep boners unless youre stimulated. I dont get morning wood or a boner unless im with a woman, which is kinda normal at our age, though there might be some slight effects. Get your testosterone checked too. If you go to the doc he will probably have you do that. I need to do kegel shit too, i really fucking hope it doesnt get worse when km older but for now i seem to be relatively normal.

>>34439889
Your approach is wrong, you have feelings for a woman you've never dated, working together isn't quite the same. Ask her out for a coffee after work, if she declines, move on.

Step Zero:
Have a perfectly regulated nervous system and be capable of staring at a wall for hours even if a beautiful woman enters you peripheral.

If you cannot look away from a woman strategically, you are fucked. If you don't even understand that the mere act of looking has immense weight and strategic subtlety involved, you are too low level mentally to even be in this thread.

>>34440401
Achieved this years ago, it's all I know how to do now...

>>34435367
What should he have said? I would've done the same and fumbled as well. How do you respond properly?

>>34440645
Nta, wpuldve fumbled as well, but just talk to her like you would a guy into the same hobby for a bit first, then say we should get coffee and talk more, and aso for her number? Idk

Have you guys ever had girls who are already in relationships be the only ones that initiate conversation with you?
Here's my situation: in social environments, I only get compliments and talked to by the girls that have bfs.
The single ones don't even look at me and only say one or two words if we happen to talk.

Why's this? I'd rather have none of the girls talk to me over this.

>>34440401
>Have a perfectly regulated nervous system and be capable of staring at a wall for hours even if a beautiful woman enters you peripheral.
>
>If you cannot look away from a woman strategically, you are fucked. If you don't even understand that the mere act of looking has immense weight and strategic subtlety involved, you are too low level mentally to even be in this thread.
worrying or even being conscious of small things like that is more harmful

the only thing that really matters, is how little you care about attracting girls, and how many girls you can meet

>meet new girl at work
>we hit it off great, chemistry is insane
>she constantly asks about my life, flirts constantly, brings me food to try, I even give her a small gift
>I notice that she always lingers around me and stands very close to me when alone together
>she's always so excited to talk and laughs so much with me
>ask her for a way to keep in contact outside work, she gives me her number
>anytime I text her she never responds to me or gives cold 1 word response, despite acting different irl
>she always finds me in person to talk about texts that I send
>I ask her out on a date but she's busy
>she actually gets even more affectionate after I asked her, so I try a couple more times
>ask her out a third time over text, get a response the next day
>she wants to be honest and tells me that she's seeing someone and apologizes for everything
>I had ZERO idea, she never mentioned or hinted at this a single time and we talked daily for 3 months
>don't mention anything about it to her, act natural when I see her and try to move on
>she still laughs with me when I talk with her but I can sense slight tension and awkwardness from her sometimes
I didn't think this would be so hard, what the fuck do I even do now?

>>34442068
You stop giving a fuck and move on

Signed up for hinge 3 hours ago, even pad for premium, no likes yet

>>34440907
They have more confidence.
If you want to get a woman you have to be the one to show attraction organically. Single girls are just waiting for a guy that can do this, if it’s not you then it’ll be someone else.
>>34442068
Thats why you always want to ask if they have a bf early on
>>34440401
You’re being sarcastic but having a well-regulated nervous system actually does help, people can tell after talking to you for a short amount of time if you have blockages

>>34440928
>the only thing that really matters, is how little you care about attracting girls
Good point I forgot about this part.

Seems pointless to even use apps

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>>34439414
Yeah exactly, THAT is where all my fears are, just talking is easy as shit, it's all the romantic shit that debilitates me.

I have zero romantic experience, didn't go to college, rejected all of middle and highschool, and my parents have one of the worst relationships I've ever seen, so I couldn't even glean anything from them either. Once covid hit I decided to use that time to seriously start working on myself, and around now I'm starting to truly start seeing the results. I get checked out consistently when I go out, and that's well and good, but deep down I have no idea what to do with it.

What's worse is people assume I have some elite skill (I've been asked for stories from multiple people in different environments) and the conversational dodging I have to do is exhausting as shit because I'm also scared they'll learn I'm a 0 experience retard this late into the game

I just feel fucked a bit, and not in the good way. And yes, I'm aware this is largely all in my head, but it's not easy undoing 32 years of programming

I'm in the ICU and a girl here very clearly wants to have sex. Her husband is in a coma and she's been here waiting for weeks. She's 20 with enormous tits and highly emotionally vulnerable. Should I do this?

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>Get girl's number last weekend after daring to ask if I can sit with her
>Calls me this morning asking if I want to go back to karaoke tonight
>Calls again one hour before leaving to clarify that we are not to sit at the same table because I'm not her boyfriend
>mfw
What? Am I supposed to make the same miracle happen with someone else instead?

>>34442068
Same exact thing happened to me. It hurts like fuck. Its been 3 months. I stopped talking to her entirely because I am not sure if she just liked the attention or actually saw me as a friend. It kind of bums me out.

I have a weird, somewhat flirty relationship with a coworker (who's single) :

> She put a picture of her on my door and then told me jokingly "I put it because it's love, you dig me"
> She often calls me "my dear". Now we call each others" my dear".
> Sometimes we make heart shapes with our hands to each others.
> She has a paper plane hanged on her board with heart shaped magnets, on which I drew a heart and wrote "to my dear (her name)".
> She gave me a heart shaped post-it with her name written on it (and sprayed her perfume on it). She did that because I asked her.
> When I told her "you don't love me", she replied "Get that out of your head, because it isn't true".
> She teases me all the time, basically everyday, pranks me, jokingly tells me that she doesn't trust me and such.
> She showed me pictures of her as a kid and as baby out of nowhere as well as pictures of her family.


The thing is that all of this leads to absolutely nowhere. And she's going to leave in a few months.
She is a very unserious girl, and I feel like she dislikes serious talk. Sometimes her interest seems to be kind of low.

For instance she once told me out of nowhere that she wanted her future husband to own a BMW. And when I told her "What if I buy a BMW ?" she just replied "no". So I Don't know what the fuck to think.

I'm thinking of confessing to her. I just wan't to know what she really feels, so that I can move on. I really Don't care at this point since she will be leaving soon.
Have any of you experienced this kind of situation ? Am I dumb ?

>>34432948
You will regret it as much as he is right now.

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>>34442625
>a girl here very clearly wants to have sex
With her husband

So where do you meet girls?

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>>34442826
Literally this meme
Less than 50% chance that you can have her as a gf, but still worth pursuing that

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>>34442786
>Blogpost central
Scheduling ended up being super wonky and the decided time was actually before the bar opened and she went home.
I'm at some other karaoke bar which depopulated within the hour. I'll sing and see what happens later in the night

>>34437482
>society is about to reset
Reset into what exactly do you think. Ive been using the Internet as a substitution for socializing and as a way to cope with interacting with society as little as possible, and i only see that getting worse. I doubt society could offer me anything better than what i can get on the internet. And it's not like you can instantly just start participating easily. After a while the barrier to entry seems insurmountable.

How is it that women immediately fold when they see me irl but I can’t get a single match on hinge?

>>34439093
Absolutely. Is this even a question? How old are you?
DMing is safe and easy. In person takes balls, you have presence when you do it, and have more control over the situation.

I'm in Montreal for the weekend but can't speak French. Inadvertently had my heart crushed yesterday by the girl I was interested in telling me she has a date she's looking forward to. She doesn't even know it's my birthday, and I did try shooting my shot with her a couple months ago to which I wasn't her type (figured), but I didn't need to hear that for this birthday trip.

I've never tried a ONS, and I feel like it won't fix what's broken either, but I want to feel like there's SOME sort of intimacy in my life. I refuse to pay for sex though, I would hate myself. I just want to be with some other person who makes a heat of the moment decision, just to be with someone with real feelings who chose to bare herself to me. I just don't even know how to go about things. I think about the places I'd like, and I don't think anyone there would be up for something like that. But it's the only way I can talk and make a real connection I think.

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>>34432869
Give me looks maxxing advice

>>34443639
Cut until your jaw line sharpens up. Smile with teeth. If your teeth are fucked get them fixed. Being black your style options are limited. I suggest medium length dreads and a short beard if you can grow it. Look up Beauty of Joseon Ginseng + Retinal under eye patches to fix those bags. Drink at least a gallon of water a day you look dry as hell.

>>34442800
She had so many chances to tell me but never said anything and kept leading me on.
One time a co-worker even asked us about our love lives and she dodged the question and wanted me to answer instead.
woman moment

How do I let a girl down gently? I just got back from a date and it was awful. She clearly has not picked up that there is not a second date coming and I have no interest in her. She really forced herself to give me cheek kisses. I'm not even sure if I should have said no to them or not but I definitely do not want to see her again. I really don't want to be an asshole and just ghost her but holy shit I have no idea how to do it.

>>34432869
1. Get a job
2. Come up and talk wyman
Whats the point of these endless threads?

>>34443392
It's also easier to reject or ignore online, meaning I'll get a clear answer more quickly.
But yeah, I will try approaching her in person.

>>34440233
I have 550 ng/dL testosterone yeah. I get morning wood but it's hard to get hard to fuck without viagra. OR even to masturbate. I'll try it again.

How do I get my girl (long distance) to be open to stuff like sexting and whatnot? We’ve been an official couple for months and I haven’t had any “sexy times” with her. She’s very religious and I feel she’d be shocked/appalled at the idea.

>>34432869
How much have you lowered your standard in the past?

I was quite desperate with no other options a few years ago and spent 5 months with a 4/10 asian girl. Protruding ears, wide face, a little chubby. She was quiet and didn't talk much, mostly from a lack of english familiarity. She was never insolent like a lot of (white) women. I was always on edge when we'd go into public because of appearances - it was obvious what was going on.

Sometimes I would pick her up and she'd be dressed in fishnets for me. It was awesome, except she'd want to go for walks downtown before heading to my place to fuck. It was embarrassing, but she didn't seem to care. The cooms were amazing. She took birth control pills and I'd creampie her all the time.

I don't get attention from decent white women, so this is a situation I find myself in quite often. Better than nothing, but it's sad I can't mate with my own race

If she acts pathetically patronizing towards your autism and treats you as unreliable, she isn't the right one.

>>34444318
You made me laugh. Disgusting, but funny.

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I want to use some ai service to generate realistic looking pics of me for tinder. my current pics are so bad, selfies, etc. and I'm competing against moggers and neurotypicals in europe. When I was 20 I got 50 likes / day, now nearly 30 and getting 1 or 2 per day, and I believe it's because I don't have the picture taking skills of younger zoomers

does anyone have a recommendation, like trushot or datingshoot, I have no idea what to use, don't want to use a jeet service.

it goes without saying I wouldn't use any pic that looks a bit off / weird / better than me / not like me.

>>34444318
LOL I see dudes like you with Asian girls out in public all the time in my city.
I observe that the majority of young white women are either walking alone with their pilot headphones on, 'resting bitch face' and all, or in their girl groups going from tourist trap to tourist trap all day.

I'm in the same situation, only the Asians want me on the dating apps, but sadly God designed me to like white girls exclusively. I plan to leave the west and move back home primarily for this reason. There I have no problem attracting them.

God damn it im so lonely.

I'm quite the mogger ngl but it doesn't even matter. Went out to eat alone and the waiter seemed shocked im such a loser based on my appearance.

Matched with some fat hoe with a 7/10 face living one mile away and when I said "hey" she immediately goes "I expected more from you" wtf???

Immediate unmatch. Walked past her fat ass the other day and pretended not to recognize her

>>34444318
I look like a male model and my last gf was a legit 2/10 asian girl who I thought was cute because she'd copy me like a little robot NPC and would do whatever I wanted. Then I realize she was severe BPD and not cute behavior after all

>>34444318
I don't really have standards. It probably sounds like a pretentious teenager but I do what I want and try my best not to have shame. I know that what I'm doing isn't wrong and the only real shame I care about is from myself and not from others. My standards are my own, not anyone elses.

>>34445448
This happens to me as well, I vividly remember these two women who's jaws literally unhinged and fell on the floor when I said I have no friends and have never had a relationship.

One of them said afterwards to the other: "it's a woman's world"

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Just bee yourself

Guys.... always remember the number 1 rule of using dating apps, and this applies to both men and women: If they don't have any full body shots of themselves, don't like their profile or engage with them.

>>34445471
I've had many past relationships but indeed no friends and no good way to meet women. I plan to geomax and find someone in a second world country I know the language too.

But work keeps me so busy I can't travel or enjoy anything. Make me seethe with rage that unemployed family members got to solo travel the world while I have to slave away working 60 hour weeks on salary not getting paid overtime

Just slept with a girl who kept calling me daddy and begged me to choke and slap her the whole time while calling her names.

How bad did I done fuck up? I felt like one of the guys on facial abuse, and like honestly it was fun but still.

>>34445473
Eh, I'm a guy and I don't have full body shots (selfies only) and I get dates. Though I guess my face makes it clear that I'm not fat.

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>>34432869
Where can I find girls who look like this? I live in Texas and I'm not attracted to fat Latinxs, so I'd like to move somewhere else where there are lots of freckled brunette girls.

>>34445660
>I live in Texas
well jokes about fatties aside, because I feel you
there's a lot of tiny latinas too, and some look really similar to her.

but with anything in Texas, the answer is always Austin or maybe Houston.

>>34445435
>I plan to leave the west and move back home primarily for this reason. There I have no problem attracting them.
Where is home? Eastern Europe?

>>34445471
Never give fatties attention. They are fat because they have mental issues - likely eating to cope rather than facing hard truths.

>>34445448
The only friends I've been able to make after uni have been gay. I hung out with them a bit, but eventually cut all ties. I've been alone wfh for 6 months now, but I did have a decent vacation working from Taiwan for 1.5 months through December. I went on a date with a few women. Only one was high quality.

No clue where to make friends, or if I even want to be friends with people irl. No idea what I'd even do with them. I'm not a sportsfag

I have a ton of girl friends, but god I hate talking to them about dating because they have literally no idea what it's like for a guy.

Every single one of them is convinced I'm handsome and interesting, and that if I "just made a dating profile" I'd instantly have a girlfriend in a week because THEY were all able to find amazing boyfriends out of their league in a few weeks tops. And maybe it's just because my profile sucks and if I just let them make me one then surely all the girls would be interested.

It used to be fun to take them up on their offer and then laugh when they literally never get any likes. But it's just annoying now.

>>34445709
>there's a lot of tiny latinas too, and some look really similar to her.
I'll keep looking then.
>but with anything in Texas, the answer is always Austin or maybe Houston.
I grew up in Houston and it's kinda shit. Austin is actually nice but in my time there I haven't seen many girls like picrel except on the UT campus.

>see woman on hinge
>first thought is punching her square in the face

Girl I'm talking to graduates next month AND I FORGOT WHAT MAJOR she's graduating in!!!! I wanted to say Congratulations to the newly (lawyer) or something like that. Fuckkkkk

>>34444022
Not him, but I have a gap between my two front teeth. The rest of my teeth are fine and I've had two dentists tell me there's no need to close the gap, however, they are somewhat yellow. I still don't know what to do with my hair and I've been growing it out since January of last year.

still no likes on hinge after 1 day

Im tired of normie recommendations

how do I get 2+ women to match with me on dating apps on a constant basis? also with the chance to actually chose

>>34445506
I want a girlfriend like that

I am looking for a wingman to join me on a trip to China.

>>34446212
Be your own pussy destroyer. Added stop fucking making jackass claims that nerds like me will fuck up your game.

You have to be responsible enough to know that when trying to date women, it is going to at times be painful and you need to step up to it facing it. Knowing it'll never be enough, but you keep going.

I feel like a lot of people in this thread shouldn't even be here, including me. I don't even meet women as it is, so if I'm not, then thinking about this is only gonna piss me off.

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Why are tinder/hinge chicks so much hotter and more fun than bumble chicks? (And also younger)

>>34446658
What's the problem chief?

>>34446669
That's the extent of the problem. If I'm not even at the point where I'm meeting women, then reading about how after you have to be direct in a conversation or take up space comfortably without feeling like you're overstepping is the quickest way to make yourself give up entirely.

>>34446676
There is no failsafe method okay. If anything what I type is to get you to be more human than perfect. Let me tell you something about conflict. Conflict is what makes life wonderful. It is what gets the deer outside your window chasing ferns, leaves, and grass despite how they face the fear of being hunted everyday and that constant need to survive is what gives meaning. Had the deer had just stayed and faced nothing it wouldn't have any meaning to its life and just wither away from death. You got to realize that life is not gonna be nice to you and women may not be nice to you either. To be honest it is better you had the opportunity to have a woman throw water at you on a date because you accidentally brought up you like Andrew Tate, because at least you got on a date.

>>34446714
Well where's your exciting human life that you lead everyday at? You're in every thread

>>34446751
Anon, I'm more imperfect than you. I try to talk to women everyday but keep failing. I get rejected a lot. I think I found the right one and it turns out it wasn't the case. I pissed off groups of friends. I burnt bridges and had people turn their backs on me. I'm human like you. But what I try to do here is help people learn from my mistakes so that they don't make the same mistakes I have made.

>>34446758
Okay

>>34445866
Please help

>>34446800
Help with what? we don't know what her major is. Either ask or just congratulate her in general

>>34446824
Sorry for the reply lol I was just talking to myself.

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Is this a red flag?
Not like I’m gonna get any matches anyway so

>>34445448
>"hey" she immediately goes "I expected more from you"
lmao!!!!

I can't believe I might start up a fuckin cashier episode, super market near me, has a pretty cute girl that twice now has had the cutest smile while handing me my stuff, didn't see her doing that to the person before or after me.

It's beyond obvious where I'm going with this, what's a good way to go about this

>>34445735
I love seeing a fat wanting me to meet her eye contact and looking right past her like she doesn't exist

>>34447107
they get asked out constantly, just don't be overbearing and don't make it weird. just be quick and up front about it
>hey i think you're cute, heres my number, text me sometime if you want to go out for dinner
and then never mention it again if you don't get a text, because nothing means no.

>>34447123
I would ask for her number instead, texting first puts a lot of pressure on the girl

>>34447123
She seems like a nerd cause she seemed to recognize some of my weebshit so I was gonna go with "You have a really cute smile, got discord?"

>>34447136
Sure but it also puts them on the spot in the moment while they're working.
Giving them your number takes that pressure off, and you're already essentially sending the first "text" in person by asking them out to dinner.

For something like a cashier, you can safely assume she's not interested in being asked out at work again, so it's best to make the entire interaction as low pressure as possible for her. If she's actually low key flirting, then she'll get the courage to text him.

>>34447146
Good point

>>34436121
someone answer me

>>34447721
Bro you could get any answer in the book to handle this situation, and in the end you just got to wing it okay? What's going on is you are afraid of failure and want the perfect way to not screw this up. If I were you, I'd just try to be friends with them first. If you notice them treating you as reliable as time goes on you stand a good chance of getting a date. If it is jist mixed signals and then you are cut off, not worth it to me. I don't give a fuck if some hoodlum is able to get love at first sight, you need to be careful with women. Women you have to be observant and you pick up the signals from knowing her over time.

Let me tell you a skill I learned as being the retard who fucks everything up all the time.

Try to have a cool-head when you do things and accept you are human.

Okay?

I know not the answer you wanted, but like me who deals with issues all the time you're gonna face the same thing again and again over and over.

You may one day have a hot girl tell you she is into yaoi and then she asks what porn you like, and then you get slapped because you said you like big ass and titty porn which she says is unartistic and objectifies women. Or you'll get a situation where she'll claim she loves the south but then you say you like Trump since you thought she'd like it and get called a racist asshole.

Point is a lot of this shit happens. If you think women get away with things you're an idiot because there are a shit ton of rich men getting away with raping women in the Epstein files.

Again, be human and keep a cool-head.

>>34446667
I have the opposite experience, Bumble has higher quality women

>>34447123
>heres my number,
>text me sometime
>if you want to go out for dinner
You ask for a number and then text her first

I'm this poster >>>34448114

how should I go about making a better profile so this doesnt happen anymore.

>>34447940
What country?
I feel like tinder only has extremes, either ugly and dysgenic or goddesses, while bumble is mids

Have any of you moved cities once you reach the end of hinge profiles?

What's everyone's opinion on boo? Thinking about redownloading that again.

>>34449241
Brutal

>>34449288
elaborate

>>34444318
I've advised guys to lower their standards. Attractive women are actually rare, and there are too many men competing for their attention. We can't all be dating super models, and IG baddies, there are not anywhere near enough of them. Nothing wrong with getting an average or ever so slightly below average girl if you are actually attracted to her and you have things in common. For instance, I like tall and thin women and would prefer a woman who is a little bit of a homebody, those things are more important to me than a pretty face on a party girl of average height. People worry about impressing other people far too much and it does nothing but ruin your life. Just be sure of what you are doing and don't be a shit head and try to monkey branch when you think an "upgrade" is available. Nobody is perfect (including yourself). There's no guarantee that the hotter woman will be a good match for you, and then you just end up single and bitter.

>>34432920
Here is the top stack for autists to get into flirting.

Step 1: exploit the lacanian graph of desire. Understand the relationship between healthy desire surplus enjoyment and more (a type of obsession)

Step 2: flirting is about maintaining tension without resolution.

Step 3: learn to meditate and apply the meditation technique of watching your breath to watching rejection. By watching the rejection and listening to it you will learn how to navigate it. If u can learn to navigate rejection in a real way you won't have any issues.

>>34449263
Sausage fest. They show you gay men iirc

>>34449564
Fucking really?

>>34449263
Same as the other apps, mostly the same women.
If anything slightly worse because their filters are shit.

>>34444112
>How do I let a girl down gently?
>She really forced herself to give me cheek kisses.
Was she extremely shy but indicating that she liked you?
I'm trying to reconcile why you think she had to force herself to kiss your cheek but you also think she wants to see you again.

Rejecting someone is hard but it helps provide perspective when asking a girl out.

>>34443243
>it's not like you can instantly just start participating easily
Nta but my recommendation in general is to pursue difficult but rewarding tasks.
If you wait for life to provide you with only easy challenges, you won't learn from failures and you'll spend most of your life waiting on the sidelines hoping for good luck.

Start participating with great difficulty, fail, learn, try again, fail better.

>>34449263
Garbage. All if fucking shows me are turbo uggos or girls from indonesia

Last week I got really drunk and hooked up with this girl. When we woke up in my bed the next day she said she didn't remember if we had sex that night or not (although to any idiot it's clear that a man and woman waking up naked next to each other had sex).

I basically faked like I didn't remember either since we were both drunk and dropped her off at home. She texted me the following day asking if we had sex again. I facetimed her in response and we had a brief chat where I basically reiterated I don't really remember but maybe we did. She seemed kinda confused but decided to just go with it.
After that I texted her a few days later to check in, she said "heyy" then I asked if she was doing anything the next day and got ghosted. I haven't texted her since then because I'm allergic to double-texting.

Basically I want to hookup with this girl again for 2 reasons.

1. I want to fuck her

2. I'm paranoid she could flip on me and say I raped her or some bullshit, but if I fuck her multiple times it would give me more insurance.

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can somebody ban this idiot already

>>34450337
Explain to me what the problem is?

>>34433059
>I definitely can't small talk. That's not me.
When you were a baby you couldn't wipe your own ass. That wasn't you. Then you learned, practiced, and now you presumedly can.

>What now then?
Practice. Talk to people. Start with people you don't want to date. Chat with elderly people in the grocery store about produce. It doesn't matter. Practice. Get good at something you're not good at.

>>34437283
Women generally don't invite. They invite you to invite. So it could have been an opportunity.

There really isn't a difference between "mild interest" or "meaning something".
She isn't in love.
She *might* be open to you talking to her.

Generally, you open with an easy observation, pleasant comment, or simple joke.
Nothing forward or suggestive. You're not positioning yourself to ask her out. You're gauging if she's interested in talking at all.
If she responds with eye contact and engages, that's a maybe. If she doesn't really look at you or seems focused elsewhere, you leave it be and let it go.

As for what to say, it's usually situation dependent. I've never done it at the gym outside of talking about the weather by the door.
It's just mundane observation or a little joke. Sometimes sharing a little about what you're doing. You don't generally start off with a compliment on her appearance but if she's got good form or runs at a decent pace, you could praise that. But I stick to passive observation, comment on the music. Be pleasant.

You can never control whether someone else thinks you're a creep or a retard. You can only control how you respond. Always respond relaxed and easy going because none of it matters. It's nothing serious.

>>34432869
Women ferociously hate me, but not ALL women. Only SOME women. Other women treat me pretty nicely but firmly as a colleague while others are super ferocious against me

With this second type of woman I cant work with, ONLY work jobs where this type of woman isn’t around. That’s the only reason I currently am employed

And i am not allowed into clubs BTW, bouncers dont let me in ever

How come some women are very nice to me while others hate me? Why no ignoring?

>>34450663
>They invite you to invite.
This.
They'll literally just stare at you, that's your cue to make your move. This old adage of men making the first move is slightly bogus, it's usually the women who give the guy the go ahead, and the relationship can't go any further without the woman agreeing to it in the first place.

Well shit, I've hit the point where I can no longer hide behind the shield of learning, every video, every post, is all shit I've heard and know already, all that's left is to actually do

I don't get it though, where does this nigh debilitative fear come from, I've approached before, and while it hasn't worked once, the interaction is always super friendly, so why does my brain go back into absolute failure mode

>>34450870
Your fear comes from letting shit get to you.

>>34450936
Is there a way to supress that?

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How do people get fwb?

>>34447002
What's tbi

>>34450939
No. You're either born numb to the pain or you have to numb yourself to it. That's why a lot of extroverted people see no problem with failing in social situations, they literally don't remember the pain like we do

>>34450015
Id also be concerned about the rape accusations. "Idk" is a good answer.

but yjk when a woman goes radio silent for a bit it's because she's talking to some other dude(s)

fucking slut kek

>>34450939
Try to learn how to be cool-headed. This is something I worked on since I was 14 and am now 31. Like for starters why are you letting shit that was in middle school get to you as an adult? Why are you letting what he said she said get to you when you should be focused on yourself? It is those things anon. It takes time though. If you get a therapist it goes quicker though.

>>34450959
>why are you letting shit that was in middle school get to you as an adult?
That just unlocked something in my brain, why the fuck should I care about a kids opinion, they're fucking retarded

I went to a house party after a friend's concert. There was a girl stumbling around drunk, she came up to me and was touching me, would get really close to me and tried to kiss me, but I didn't kiss her back because I wasn't sure if she had just got done kissing someone else. She would nibble at my neck and I'd touch her or hold her hand here and there, we talked and her friend told me she had a boyfriend. At one point she asked me to give her my instagram, I tried but she wasn't connected to internet. When she left, I had thought I should follow her out but didn't want to lose face chasing after a drunk girl, so I just sat stoic and went on my instagram and messaged her.
The next day she followed me, said she was sorry for how drunk she was, and I asked if she remembered our convo, but she didn't and it didn't really go anywhere. She was answering immediately every time I texted her and I tried to aim it toward a meetup, but realized she was hungover so decided to wait. Anyway, I've been left on seen for the past 2 days.
I'm not sure how to proceed. I dont know if she did that because she was attracted to me or was just blind drunk. I'm considering just asking her out. She obviously remembers me and probably remembers more than she's letting on, but yeah... If she did go out with me I'd just treat her casually, maybe fuck her and not really follow up

Any advice on what to text? I feel like I could be bold but she's friends with everyone and I don't want to get blocked, which it seems like it's easy for me to do.

>>34451089
too late. you have to IMMEDIATELY reassure her you don't think she's a drunk slut next time

I met a girl in her early 20's who works in the same building as me, different business. I kissed her on our first date and right up until we had sex on the 2nd date, I found out that that was our first kiss, which explains why she said she was going to tell her parents about me AND that I would be taking her virginity AND that she is on antidepressants. I hesitated for a moment and then just said fuck it and took her virignity.
She didn't bleed, and I'm sure it got broken some other way, but I'm still questioning if she's telling the truth. She does fuck like it's her first time, but her eyes are just strange to me. It's crazy to think that no guy has ever tried to kiss her, I guess she literally talked to other guys but it never went anywhere. I have weird vibes from her, but at the same time, I believe her.

Anyway, I don't really like her enough to seek a relationship with her, but I'm using her to keep me satisfied as I look for a girl I'd rather be with. How do I operate properly? I don't text her every day, only when I want to set up a date.

>>34451100
that was HER first kiss***

>>34451095
fuck it just sent a date ask which is also a double text for TOMORROW. that will be fun

>>34450689
>This old adage of men making the first move is slightly bogus, it's usually the women who give the guy the go ahead, and the relationship can't go any further without the woman agreeing to it in the first place.
Yep.
There's a comedian who pointed out that guys in bars who spot a hot chick in a bar who doesn't seem to notice them already spotted the guys 20 minutes earlier.

>>34450870
>where does this nigh debilitative fear come from
Every single time you listen to your fear and obey it, you survive, and then your brain is trained that the fear saved your life. And so the fear gets stronger.
Never obey fear.
If fear is telling you to do something you think is the right decision, slow down. Don't act emotionally. Ignore the fear. Avoid danger because it is your rational decision, not out of fear.

Ignoring fear weakens it. Slowly over time it trains your brain that the fear isn't saving your life.

>>34450939
>Is there a way to supress that?
Public speaking taught me how to ignore the fear. There's probably training and tips for it.
I regarded my fear like a huge chained dog barking and snarling. It's unnerving and makes you think you're in danger. But you rationally know you're not. It's chained. You can just walk by and it's fine.
It's not really suppressing and more ignoring. Like if you're talking on the phone and a cat on your lap starts gently kneading you with your claws. You're not suppressing the pain. You're continuing forward as if it wasn't there. You can feel it but you're ignoring the feeling.

>>34450959
That's genetic. Can't cure neuroticism unless you hide from stimuli like a hermit.

>>34449494
Lowering your standards just increase standards for ugly foids.

>>34451429
don't go for "ugly foids"
>Nothing wrong with getting an average or ever so slightly below average girl if you are actually attracted to her
The trick is to not compare people.

I went out today to try and find a woman to talk to, but could not find one. Times running out. AAAAAAAAAAAAA!

>>34450948
You can never label your fwb as a fwb. If you straight up tell a girl you want to be friends with benefits the vast majority will say no, even if you could totally get them into this arrangement. Truth is you have to always give them a glimmer of hope that they might get some commitment from you down the line.

My brother forced me to cold approach women at the bar the other day and it made me feel autistic as fuck. I only wanna approach a woman who has been looking at me. Trying to get a woman's attention who is standing around with friends makes me feel like a rapist. Fuck man i just wanna go to the bar to feel good not have my cortisol get spiked as shit.

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>>34434365
>Admittedly I'm also 6ft 3

>>34451826
You have to change how you are looking at this shit. Approaching a group is a lot lest rapist behavior than only approaching a woman by herself. And beauty always has company you will never find an 8+ by herself fucking anywhere.

But yeah its also not always good to "power through". You can develop a phobia if you just keep forcing yourself into painful anxiety inducing experiences.

Approach mixed sets with only the goal of spreading humor and good cheer. See if you can learn to enjoy that and then only make it about getting girls later on when its not so scary

>>34450870
This is perfect I'll explain the exact mechanism
It's obvious but what u are experiencing is that you did all this research and shit because ultimately you see yourself as the guy who gets girls. Now that fantasy will have to be taken into reality. Now the fantasy is in danger. When you ruminate over it and avoid it and circle it and try to optimize for it lacan calls this surplus enjoyment a painful enjoyment that seems to enjoy and protect the feeling of u being good at picking up girls. How to get past this? Recognize it for what it is and move forward anyways. Recognize that it's just a fantasy that you are protecting.

>>34451840
Yeah ur right I need to be more relaxed when talking to girls. Ive gotten much better at talking to people through working the past couple years cuz I've been forced to talk to angry customers and have to explain shit to powerful people above me, idk why I dont have the same confidence when talking to women my age. My friend was being an absolute dick to me the other day for never approaching women at the bar but ive never seen him cold approach he just gets approached sometimes and snubs them lol.

>>34449869
I met up with a literal fupa goblin child who very clearly did not understand any basic social norms and would shut down over any discussions that weren't the conversation equivalent of jangling keys. I just told her something polite and blocked her. I can still feel her pasty fucking kisses on my cheek. I can't believe I fucking let myself regress in to this people pleaser bullshit. I should have just walked out.

in my lust and loneliness I got a fat girl to fall in love with me big time. Now I feel bad cause I don't want anything to do with her but I also have nothing else going for me in my miserable fucking life so I should probably just put her on ozempic and see how she does in 6 months or something

>>34452481
Haha retard

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The best thing you can do if you tell a girl you are 40 and unemployed and living with your parents is be laid back. If you show to her you are a laid back guy who is relaxed, you show to her how living a good life can bring good people. If you however show up beating yourself up for the miseries of your computer life, you bring the image to this woman who is from a rough working class life, that everything sucks and nothing can be done. Dude I know your father is trying to get you to have a decent job, and you should, but positivity is what brings you to your dreams, not negativity.

woah I did surprisingly well on my date today considering I haven't spoken to people irl in months... holy shit

>>34453439
That sounds great! Glad to see you did good on your date. Hopefully you can contact her again.

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>>34453456
I went in for a kiss at my place while we sat on my couch. Mixed signals told me she was down, but she didn't reciprocate too much and said it's a little much for a first date. Oh well. I didn't have much to say after that and just stared off into space.

I held her pretty, soft hands and just smiled. I was quite happy. Selfishly ignoring her and enjoying the moment. Probably a little bit like pic rel except holding hands with a woman and I'm happy while saying nothing lol Looked at her after a while and she was amused

Thanks Zach. How are you doing? What's going on with you

>>34453471
>a kiss
>it's a little much for a first date
do you feel the betabux shackles being put on or does her hand holding feel good enough to make up for it

>>34453471
My dating luck with women is still bad, but I'm hanging in there at my best even though the world is yelling at me to give up.

>>34453485
I don't understand the betabucks analogy. I have plenty of cash, so that's not a limitation. I'm a faggot, and always will be so that's not a concern

She playfully kissed me back a little after I zoned out, all is well

>>34453496
If you want to elaborate on your bad luck, I'll read your stuff and perhaps respond better than any LLM can

>>34453507
What I've learned from it is to keep a cool-head and stop letting things hold me back.

>>34453507
As for the stories. I don't feel comfortable talking about them as I hurt the women I tried to be with pretty badly, but life moves on and God gave me a chance to try again.

>>34453533
I know how it can be
peace be with you
goodnight bro

if a woman can't understand the suffering you endured from years of rejection, being alone, working alone, taking care of yourself and family, being sick alone, and being happy alone, etc. do you think you could bond and be happy with her?

or does she need to have scars too?

>5'11"
>pretty handsome
>athletic but could weigh more, proportional aesthetic physique regardless
>110k salary in finance, senior level job interview tomorrow
>getting masters degree to make more $
>my own place
>musician, build guns, snowboard, hike, lots of hobbies
>kinda shit social life, but a few friends I hang with
>have a top of the line 4runner
So, is it the social ability that's killing me? I feel like I should be killing it with women, but I guess I am kinda autistic. I got good pictures of myself taken last weekend just waiting for them to be edited. Like what advice do I take because I did all the external stuff, and am in therapy to fix the other shit.

>>34453755
the secret is to stop being a 4channer

>>34453755
What are you passionate about?
Are you confident and self assured?
Are you kind?
Are you useful or helpful?
Can you make people laugh?
Can you speak at length about certain subjects?
You've gone through the check boxes of "success" now it's time to develop a personality.

>>34453689
They don't need scars. They need empathy and compassion. If they don't have those then don't bother with them.

Unironically since the middle of last year after my mom moved across country to be with me, it seems my dating and hookups have drastically dropped. Let me preface that I'm 33, agreed to have my mom move across the country to be with me after a death in the family, I pay for 2/3 of the bill and I actually don't mind living with my mom. However, it seems that I am subconsciously judged by women thinking that because I live with my mom, I must obviously be struggling, etc.

Here is a list of situations after living w/ mom.

Viet Girl 37 Traveler:
>drink date
>invite to my place
>asked if I lived alone 5 mins from home
>told her I lived with my mom
>she said, "we can't go to your place"
>goes anyways
>5m into sex said she couldn't do this and left

Japanese 21 Local:
>boba date
>invite to my place
>said we should go X instead
>arrive
>asks if I want to kiss
>we kiss
>suggests we go to my place but "just to kiss more"
>kiss for hours, tried to push further, rejected every time
>next day got told that I wasn't what she was looking for

>Black 25 Local:
>boba date
>invited to my place
>arrive
>said she didn't want to hook up
>"ok"
>leaves 15 mins later
>ghosted

Korean 25 Local:
>hooked up with a few times earlier that year
>hooked up 4 times
>haven't seen each other since
>cba to hook up w/ her desu

Taiwanese 27 Traveler:
>invited her over
>took like 40 mins to get her going cause room wasn't "Dark enough"
>have sex
>dropped her off at hotel.

Chinese 29 Local:
>saw each other for a few months early last year
>it was annoying dating her and the sex was mid
>we parted ways
>last month we reconnected
>hooked up twice at my place
>remembered why I don't like her
>agreed we shouldn't see each other again

Filipino 35 Local:
>boba date
>invite to my place
>arrive, goes to bathroom
>comes to my room
>immediately says, "I'm not down to hook up, I'm tired and on period"
>"ok"
>we chat for like 45 then tell her I got work to do
>next day "I didn't feel a connection"

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Finally found someone pretty cool and really pretty, but they've seemingly got a very high body count which has somewhat put me off
Im into intimate sex so the idea that she's fucked tons of other men makes our intimate moments feel not as special or sacred
any other bros deal with this??

>>34454987
If you're into anything interesting sexually, make sure to do it all with her

>>34454992
Damn Im autistic and vanilla as shit so there's not much I'd wanna try haha
I'd happily date the girl and make it serious if she hadn't gone down the "went to an all-girls school then to a university while single and popular" path

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I can't take it anymore bros. My spirit is shattered. Purchased 60 dollar subscription to hinge nearly 3 weeks ago(have a month). No matches, sent maybe 100 tailored messages across those 3 weeks. I am fried. WHY DOES NOTHING WORK!? EVEN WITH PRIORITY MESSAGES. I am fucked. Real life doesn't work either because I likely will have to do extreme shit like ask out women I work with which I hear is a bad idea. I am fucked. There is some sort of secret RNG factor I am missing. THERE IS NO BAD LUCK PROTECTION. Online dating has shattered my soul.

>>34453689
You don't both have to be broken in the same way. You just need to be able to fit each other's broken pieces together.

>>34454987
Hey, AT LEAST none of them were THAT special.

>>34454947
I think youight have a small cock, a disgusting mole, bad breath, or a smelly ass house

Why are they always freaked out once they go to your place?

>>34455070
That's what i thought. I wouldn't be whining about it otherwise.

I have been using an app called Tantan for about a year, off and on now.

Most girls' profiles are not verified, and some get angry when I ask for proof like a picture of them touching their chin with their finger. Does them getting angry mean they are some dude pretending to be a woman? It actually gets to me, how upset or mad they act when I want them to prove they are real and not some guy using women's pictures.

>>34455293
Idk I once had a girl on tinder do this to me and I ghosted her because I’m not trying to get involved with someone who has such a hard time trusting. It’s a very poverty third world or trailer park mentality to think everyone is trying to get one over on you. As long as they are not asking for money or nudes I’m not worried about it myself.

>>34454947
Getting rejected mid sex is insane lol I think that’s the one and only situation where I am absolutely going to “rape”. Yes means yes bitch too late to change your mind.

>>34455325
You might be surprised at the number of jeets and nigerians who do this. If you get their number and it starts in 234, that is Nigeria. Some of them will refuse to talk on an app that necessitates a phone number, in order to hide this.

>>34455293
more than anything, I think it's a mark of them being crude women.

this resonates a lot with my observations:

>they expect the same simp treatment from every guy
>you question them and they feel insulted because they're crude
>you go against the wave of other simps making life "difficult" and make her self question her profile every so slightly

If I'm right, these women (girl) deserve boot camp.

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>>34432869
How do I stop freezing when I get the chance to speak to a girl?
Maybe I'm delusional but I feel like all I need is to be quicker at finding something to speak of when I'm near a girl in order to start a conversation, but I always take forever to come up with something to say even if it's something obvious.
Also, part of me feel like I'll creep her out or disappoint her when I drop the ball. I have no clue how people deal with small talk, but I recall building rapport when I was yonger despite being as much of a hermit as I am now. Worse, I had actual chuunibyou until I was 19.

>>34455249
Actually I keep myself groomed, I always get complimented on smell and if I plan to have a woman over, I always make sure my room is cleaned and smelling good.

She stopped mid make-out session because she was uncomfortable due to my mom being in the same apartment. Which I understand. Can you really get loud and dirty when the guy's mom is literally across the living room in her own room? Probably for a lot of women, no. She seemed like the type to get loud and she can't get loud with the thought of my mom being in close proximity.

That was the only time I've been stopped mid "sex" and it was due to my mom living under the same roof as me.

>>34455331
I am absolutely not forcing anyone to have sex with me, ever.

I've had women in my bed, practically naked with them saying we aren't having sex. If a little extra push isn't going to change their mind, I'm done. I'm not gonna hard push and risk a case over some probably mid pussy.

I like women who are enthusiastic to have sex with me, not playing coy games.

how do you guys put on a condom? its hard for me because it hurts when i roll it down since it catches my foreskin

>>34455568
A good tip is for plan B to always be to lightly chuckle at yourself when you flub up or say something stupid. Own it without being apologetic or too self depreciating.
Everyone fucks up. Seeing someone else fuck up a little humanizes them and makes them relatable. Seeing them take it in stride makes them seem chill.

BEING FUNNY CAN GET YOU LAID?!

How many years have I fucking wasted, I make women, well anyone really laugh easy as shit, I didn't know it could be used to get fucked

>>34454947
The fuck was the point of listing their races, outside of the "subtle flex" I mean

>>34455709
>risk a case
Is actual rape and rape cases even that correlated? Maybe they are, but actual rapes rarely get reported and false rape accusations happen too a lot.

After having banged a handful of them and observing them in my friend's and family's relationships, I can say I really deeply dislike women

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>>34455979
Thanks.

Not necessarily at you, but wit is a matter of practice, right?
I've been out of the game for a while, over a decade, really, so my brain doesn't seem to trust me with trying to be playful or approaching women at the same time it still processes the situation as it should but in slow motion.

Last chance I got, I was snooping at a section at a stationery store where they had a bunch of random cheap trinkets, like stress toys or bags of toys to put on pinhatas and such, after a failed search for an specific type of notepad, when a girl came onto the exact same section. We exchanged looks, she smiled lightly, maybe out of politeness, and took a certain distance but not so much as to seem offput by me, about one foot approximately. Naturally, since I'm writing this, I stayed quiet and fiddled with some of the shit there for a bit before quietly leaving the store.
15 minutes later, I got the idea of asking her what the toys were for. 5 hours later, I got the idea of squeezing the toy I had in hand a little, be a little playful, and start from there. No idea if those would've worked but it's a start.

>>34456091
Maybe you should straight up say that you want to fuck them. Go there right after making them laugh.

>>34455568
>I had an actual chuunibyou until I was 19.
I unironically want to hear more about this. Please talk about it if you feel like doing so.

>>34453790
No it's being human.

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>>34456313
Right, haha.

It was a mess, but fortunately, or unfortunately, my class were either extremely chill, extremely nice, or other brands of freaks, so I don't have many anecdotes.
It started with me getting really into Beyblade to then getting into anime to then starting to adopt whatever shit I thought was cool into my then simultaneously precarious and set identity. The silliest I got was holding a Master Dranzer, a comically bad beyblade, in my hand and musing that maybe I was meant to be the one fated to carry the name of this beyblade in my rivalry with my friend who used a Master Draciel with a Wide Defense weight disc, an actually decent combo (Thank God I was alone. Damn.). I would also paint the stupid Kurapika chains on my hand with ballpoint pen, call myself a thing or a blob (basically my way of naming non-binary way before the term even existed), cycle between different hairstyles including dreadlocks, trying out Tae Kwon Do and Capoeira because I thought Envy from FMA was the coolest character ever, imagining myself as this hidden esper while running errands, and so on; my memory is a bit fuzzy. Second, or maybe first, other most embarrassing thing I did at the time was believing The Rasmus was punk; I winced just writing that.

Even like this, I finished school in a situationship with a girl I stole from a med student, so either I was naturally charming and I have no idea how to capitalize on it, or there's something wrong with the women in my country/city.

>>34456353
I found this endearing even though you find it cringeworthy. Do you still partake in any of the activities today? What are you like now and how old are you?

Y'know, the more I get to know these women, the more I don't care for them

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>>34456379
>Do you still partake in any of the activities today?
Only in being a music tourist and playing Beyblade X when I can. I kind of cut all of them overnight at some point but I can't quite recall why at the moment.

>What are you like now and how old are you?
A bum, to be honest. At 30+ I wonder if I'll ever take off yet I have the chutzpah to consider dating.
I likely had a different brand of chuunibyou after all that because I tried to be a musician for a bit, then tried to study psychology but lost all motivation after learning about the history of the profession, then, where I'm kind of currently at kind of, tried to become a writer for comics, my own comics, but I keep putting things off forever.
I tell myself that all I have for now is being a good son and that many don't even do that, but I could always be a good son AND have a profession. I'm giving it one last try to it all this year.
I believe that I have a hard time building up perspective. Like in my earlier example, I could have tried to do some small talk and let it go if it failed; hell, I could have tried again from a different approach if I stumbled upon her again, like an apology or a joke over my flub. I live like three blocks away from a vet school and I wanted to be a veterinarian since I was a kid but my bad grades in chemistry in high school and the failed musician detour made me abandon that, and I didn't stop to think that even if becoming a decent artist would take me a couple of years I could always invest those years anyway until I figure something else.
There are things I could have done much better but didn't because I didn't stop to think clearly and meditate on my next step in life.

>>34456428
Interesting. You can always try community college -> 4 year college and pick something stable or try and get a remote job if you want to pursue your passions. I noticed that you did not mention continuing anime but still post anime reaction images, is that just on par for people on this site? Anyways, I think you should try small goals instead of larger, grandiose things. If you don't believe in yourself, just know that I do. Good luck!

>>34456387
Welcome to life, 90% of the people you meet are trash regardless of gender. It gets worse as you age.

Fuck it. Putting minimum age to 18 lets gooooooo

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>>34456428
My lust died the second I wrote the average feminine nature on paper and stratified it according to its moral nature. I am now convinced that the only thing you are supposed to do as a soul, as a man is to wrestle your own flesh into submission, find God and develop a prosperous and altruistic relationship with our creator in order to escape this prison. 99% of women are half humans with no souls, everything they strive for and enjoy is ultimately evil in its nature. The very core of femininity is absolute evil that seeks to devour good men with the same glee and joy you'd get from stomping out some dorky kids sand castle.

Once I realized why women are the way they are, it's like I've finally been enlightened as to why hermit monks become hermits in the first place. It's all a lie, its all a joke. This planet is a prison, women are archons who genuinely don't give a fuck about anything but they have to pretend to have interests beyond themselves just so men don't become suspicious and notice the huge disparity in the nature of each gender. It's not a complimentary nature, it's completely one-sided and parasitic. The entire role of women is to entrap a mans life force and pull another soul onto this false reality incarnation trap. That's all they were designed to do. Satan takes a hold of their hivemind vessels with comedic ease and no resistance. They are all beyond corrupt, they fall apart once a month and endure pain unless they fulfill their ill-natured task. There is nothing in this world worth striving for besides Gods love. There is absolutely NOTHING in this world that is worth your place in heaven.

I've got a second date with a girl this weekend. We made out on the first date, and she seems eager for the second. Assuming everything goes well, I plan to invite her over to my place for the third (note: I live with my parents, but no one will be home next weekend).

What's the best way to approach this? I'm thinking something lowkey would be best, so cooking a meal and watching a movie.

>>34456895
>find God and develop a prosperous and altruistic relationship with our creator in order to escape this prison.
It's going to be very, very hilarious when you die and expect God to grant you a bountiful gift and he replies "...what? I literally just gave it to you. That was it. It's over now. I am truly sorry that you didn't appreciate it."

Life isn't the prison. Your delusions are.
Life is a wonderful gift.
People, including women, can be wonderful. Many are delusional shit heads, but they could be wonderful.

Always look on the bright side of life, mate.

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>when the fat girl says she's looking for a gym partner and is out doorsy.

Why are fat people like this? Do they really think we can't see their waist?

>>34457087
not so fast bro. Going to the gym or being at the gym is the one situation where you cant make fun of fat people. You have been blocked

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How do people actually resolve fights and make up with women?
I have never seen or been shown how couples around me really resolve their conflicts
My only personal experience with women so far has been
>You made a minor mistake so you are now persona non grata, I will never speak to you again and you do not deserve to be told why I hate you

>>34457205
>I have never seen or been shown how couples around me really resolve their conflicts
If you did or said something wrong you apologize.
If she did or said something wrong she should apologize.
You talk it out, express why the behavior or situation upsets either of you or makes you or her uncomfortable.
You change the behavior that caused the issue.
If you can fix, replace, clean, or repair something that you broke you should do it.
You forgive and don't bring it up again if the problem has been resolved.
Silent treatment, ghosting, lying or trying to gas light them into believing things didn't happen, withholding affection, kicking them out of the bedroom, screaming, throwing shit, threatening them are immature actions and means you are not ready for adult relationships.

If a woman rejects you when you ask to meet up/get a drink/hang out, should you reply with a simple reply like Bummer or That sucks, or just not reply at all?

>>34457277
>should you reply with a simple reply like Bummer or That sucks
Genuinely what positive effect do you think this could have

>>34457303
What do you mean? Im asking if any of you leave a girl on read when she says no or if you end the conversation nicely before moving on

>Got super wasted at a concert
>Started approaching girls
>Had a few decent conversations
>End up bar hopping with a group of girls after the show
>Drunkness wears off and I've got one of them by the waist while she's casually holding my crotch
>0 memory of how I got to this point
On the bright side I know it's possible. Unfortunately I have no idea how I did it.

>>34457205
>>You made a minor mistake so you are now persona non grata, I will never speak to you again and you
Was this with any women that have invested any amount of time in you irl?
Because they is not relationship behavior.

There's a whole bunch of strategies for minimizing conflict and maturely handling fights.
One solid, universal tip is this:
When the other person says something that upsets you, pause, and repeat what they said back to you and explain what you took it to mean.
A great many fights either start or escalate from responding with reasonable emotion to a misunderstanding that was never actually said.

I also find it helpful to state out loud what I'm feeling in order to keep calm. Essentially, I describe my feelings and position rather than try to convince them.

>>34457234
>If she did or said something wrong she should apologize.
In my experience, my partner for the longest time didn't apologize unless they acted like a total ass while I was calm, which was rare. Her insecurities made it difficult to admit she was in the wrong. So she'd just dote on me and be incredibly nice afterwards, clearly acting apologetic but never taking "the blame". She's been blamed for a lot she didn't do in life so she is compulsively defensive.
Once you understand *why* she's acting irrational, it's a lot easier to handle and respond to.

>>34457205
Let me help you understand women. Most of these arguments are not about the thing you are fighting about. They quickly just become power struggles. Whoever bends the knee and apologizes is the weaker party. Thats all there is to it. If you want a good relationship you must ALWAYS WIN. Even when you are in the wrong never apologize.

To clarify its fine to apologize when you mess up. But once something has become a "fight" at that point you can never give ground and never apologize. You must always win and she must always lose. No matter what.