>>34446389
It's normal to dislike the idea of another man fucking your woman. But obsess over it to the point you'd hate her is a bit much. People say it stems from insecurity but I don't think it's that. It's probably from catastrophic thinking typically. Those same doom-pilled thinking patterns probably occur to you in other parts of life and not just thinking about your girl's sexual past. And if you don't have a girlfriend at the moment and all of this is a hypothetical then you for sure as shit suffer from catastrophic thinking because it would prove you have a habit of ruminating about gloomy scenarios that haven't even occurred in reality.

>>34446389
Has it occurred to you that straight men don't spend a lot of time thinking about other men's dicks? But you do?

>>34446409
i don't have one because i don't want them anymore after i find out about their past relationships.
how am i supposed to get a girlfriend?
it's impossible

>>34446417
i think about her getting fucked by some ugly fuck.
it's like buying a new ferrari and then you find out 10 niggers drove the ferrari before you.
not special anymore, no?

>>34446418
What is it about a girl being fucked before that bothers you specifically? Is it a gross out contamination thing about another man's sperm being inside of her that gives you the ick? Or is it the fact she found pleasure from someone that wasn't you? Hypothetically?

>>34446427
hmm, more the second one i guess.
it means i have to share her somewhat with some stranger, she's not only mine.

>>34446436
But if she is no longer in contact with the ex and she deleted all contact and what have you, is it still sharing her with someone if that someone is out of her life?

>>34446451
that doesn't matter, it's enough for me to know she was intimate with someone else that is not me.
it feels like some valueless, used and shitty product.

>>34446524
Haven't you bought anything used on eBay before? You can save some money that way.

>>34446524
Hmm. Lemme ask you this semi-related question. Are you aware that you have hands? And a nose? And you know how you can see out your eyes? You can see the texts in the screen as you read this, right? Are you aware that (you) are reading this? Like yknow how reality in your PoV is like first person? Like in a first person shooting game view? Yknow what I mean?
And yknow how you got thoughts running in your head and shit? Maybe an inner voice or inner monologue inside your head you identify with?

Did you know that the hypothetical girl would have all of that too, same as you? And if you can understand that then is it logical to feel she is a product? Since she'd possess consciousness and shit like you do?

>>34446533
how can you love something where another man put his dick inside?
you ever bought a pair of sneakers from ebay from a gay man that raped them?

You obsess over it because you don't have the social skills to suss out a whore even if you don't know every detail of her sexual past. If you were able to vibe check a woman properly, you could tell exactly how she'd be in a relationship within 5 minutes of meeting her. But you can't, so you lean on the heuristic of her bodycount, which you are rightfully anxious over because she could easily be lying, or still be a crazy bitch even with a low body count, etc

>>34446538
that's fine, but how can i change my own thoughts?
i don't think that view changes anything

>>34446544
Maybe. I wouldn't know.

>>34446548
bro, last girl i went on a date with was 20 shy, nerdy looking, average but cute girl.
how can i know she's a whore, she doesn't even look like she could hold a dick in her hands

>>34446554
The view could open up further thoughts. For example let's say you fuck a girl in a one night stand, and then you later find a girl who really likes you and she is virgin but she gets the "ick" that you had a one night stand. Would it be fair for her to feel disgust at you over something that was in your past & didn't involve her at all? And if you understand that both you and this hypothetical girl are both reality consciousness enjoyers and therefore not products to be judged on mileage, then can you maybe consider the same sort of understanding for a girl who isn't virgin anymore?

Here's an example: A girl is into you, she really likes you, she is kind and giving and good natured. But she had sex before once in a relationship before you. Her relationship lasted 2 years. She intended to be loyal and marry the guy but she had to leave because the guy was cheating on her all the time and it broke her heart and she left. Would it be fair to judge her on her sexual history? Even though she intended to do it right the first time but someone else ruined that for her?

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>>34446389
You're just acting like a spoiled child. Caring so much about the hymen or past relationships is more of a reflection of your own insecurities and lack of maturity than it is a judgement of value on the women, and vaginas, that you're dismissing wholesale. Quite literally the equivalent of a woman fixating on 6'0 and not dating below that (lmao at imperialcels). You're both children, no adult wants to have a relationship with you because you're embarrassing.
>"my ex boyfriend.."
Mentioning your exes is fine to a degree but making comparisons is an issue. You don't have to be virgin obsessed to dislike this.
>am i just fucked or what?
>i can't even find a rational argument why this shouldn't be a dealbreaker
Virginity is worthless as a concept and it doesn't make you or anyone more or less of an adult, more or less pure, more or less human. You care about worthless shit and live like cattle unable to bond over your own self-imposed mind prisons. My nigga in Christ you are not being rational, you have rationalized your own misery as an excuse that you can use to dismiss most women you'll ever meet. A virgin could fall at your feet and you would still find a way to say that she's somehow no good for you. Women aren't born, raised, fed and educated so they can be the first sheath for your cock.
You can either be the conservative pilled equivalent of a porn addict or you could grow the fuck up.
>but other people existing with genitals different from my own that have their own lives in my solipsistic chuddy desert of a mindscape makes me uncomfortable
Just face it. You're running away from your own insecurities rather than attempting to fix them. This has nothing to do with women being virgins or having no relationships, it goes much deeper into your beliefs and views on women. As long as your worldview can't equate women as human you won't cease to be a child with purity issues.

>>34446587
Cmon man were trying to have a nice discussion with the OP. No need to get on your high horse and shame the guy for his thoughts, he hasn't hurt anyone with his opinions. I disagree with OP but I still respect the guy. You aren't as high and mighty as you think you are.

>>34446579
i completely get what you are saying.
the problem is that when i see her i just have this scenario in my head of her getting fucked by another dude.
her particular characteristics don't matter when she gets pounded inside my head kek.
she is just used up in my head and i don't think this because i want to, it's just like a reaction/instinct.

>>34446570
>shy, nerdy looking, average but cute girl.
Often those are the biggest whores
You figure it out by experience. "Experience" doesn't just mean grinding cold approaches and spamming DMs like an indian, it also means observing other people, your friends' and family members' relationships, etc.
The things you'll learn about woman's nature will hopefully reframe how you view them entirely, as well as how you should act, what you should reasonably expect from them, etc
I have a feeling you're under the impression that there's a "good girl" out there, there's some archetype of purity and femininity and devotion in your mind that you're hoping and coping and praying has been incarnated in flesh somewhere and if you just [verb] hard enough and long enough, you'll meet her and wife her and live happily ever after. I'm very sorry to say that that's not how this whole game works at all. They're a lot more mechanical than that.

>>34446601
>she is just used up in my head and i don't think this because i want to, it's just like a reaction/instinct

Interesting. Do those thoughts happen compulsively? Like they're not in your control and they just pop into your head out of nowhere?

>>34446587
idk, virginity was important like till 70 years ago os so.
it's not a product of my insecurities
>>34446603
>impression that there's a "good girl" out there, there's some archetype of purity and femininity and devotion
yes exactly lol
so no chance for that you say?

>>34446611
yes, for example the last girl i saw.
when i think about her, i just see her getting pounded in my head.
but i don't have it randomly like when i do other things or whatever, im not obsessed with her

>>34446635
Ever wondered did you have a touch of OCD?

At this point I'm convinced that "muh virginity" fags are mentally ill. I can't imagine obsessing this much about it.

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>>34446389
What do you think about this?

>>34446637
i don't have any cleaning obsession or similar stuff. i had something like this as a kid but never again since then.
im kinda autistic tho a bit i guess
>>34446640
im happy for you that you are not me

>>34446640
It's not mental illness really, it's just a part of being primal male. It's hard coded into us that we want to be the first man to break into the woman, because it's a 100% guarantee any children are definitely yours. It doesn't make sense now, because contraceptives and paternity tests are available. But for 300,000 years the only way a man could know for absolute certain that any children were his from a woman he fucked was if she was definitely virgin. This is so important and even evolutionary critical that when babies are born, their faces most strongly resemble the father's face every time, and that's because it's to prevent fathers from running away or abandoning the woman and kid (this is true look it up). And then the baby will grow more advanced facial features that resemble both mom and dad features and then it's own unique face features later. That's how primally ingrained this concern is for men of our species, even babies have to wear the man's face day 1 to prove to the man he is the dad so he won't fuck off lol.
That's where the "muh virginity" instinct comes from, we only think of it as stupid today because we take for granted the paternity testing and contraceptives we have to manipulate our own sexual destiny

>>34446646
Caring about things like that is a sign of narcissism.

>>34446389
anon, girls lose their virginity at 14 these days, i did too. you're not going to meet a virgin woman unless you date hardcore religious people.

>>34446646
im unironically characterwise like that but I'm above average looking and cover up my personal misery in my social life.
i get what you mean tho

>>34446626
>so no chance for that you say?
I'll try to distill my mental framework about women as succinctly as possible. I'm trying to expand your thinking beyond this question.
Any woman of any body count, any level of hotness, from any culture, whatever, COULD potentially be a perfect huwheatfield-spinning tradwife for you IF AND ONLY IF your "game" is perfect. Similarly, an ugly autistic virgin woman from the deepest jungles of southeast asia can very easily get sick of you and cuck your goofy ass if you act like a big enough bitch.
Assuming a woman has looked at you and decided she likes your ugly mug and your height and your style and physique and whatever else, your success with her, and her loyalty to you, is entirely up to your own ability to be more rocksteady, "alpha", etc over the course of YOUR ENTIRE RELATIONSHIP. The shit testing never stops, it only gets more subtle and convoluted, and the day you fail is the day she starts shopping for new dick again.
The only way around this is to genuinely not care that much about her, or any woman on earth, or whether your relationship works out, etc. There's a bajillion tiny subtle behavioral things that a truly uninvested man does and the entire point of woman behavior is testing how many of those you check off. And sadly you can't just snap your fingers and decide to be Mr Stonecold Shrigma oj a whim. You'll be on your 10th date with a girl at a bar and she's going to go from grinding on you to twerking on some random jacked dude and you're going to react like a bitch, she's going to start fights on vacations and you're gonna lose your cool, etc. A ton of things have to be beaten out of you so to speak. Then and only then are your odds of having loyal trad waifu decent, because only then will your lack of bitching out ensure she doesn't get sick of you. Note how none of this has to do with her!
1/2

>>34446661
At 14 that's a bit much don't you think? Im a guy who lost mine at 16. But 14? You were just over a year or two from being a child the fuck lol. How old was the guy who took you?

>>34446626
2/2
All of that being said, yes, women with high body counts do suck, because it's proof that they're inordinately hard to impress. They'll throw nuclear shit tests at you forever and wear down even the most shrigma of ligma males. That's why she ended up with such a high bodycount in the first place, even chad got sick of her shit. But chad also can suss these things out quickly because of his own breadth of experience with women. And proper experience will leave you with a sense of "jeez, can i actually deal with her threatening to kill herself every weekend? Probably not," whereas your current state of mind is probably more like "ZOMFG she hasn't hecking responded to me in 4 hours!!!!" In which case you need to stop sweating about her bodycount and start worrying about having the sort of life that makes you not care that much about women in the first place, while also putting yourself out there so you can observe their behavior in one way or another, whether that's doing PUA bullshit or just being a normal person with a decent social life

>>34446661
met one who was 19 and virgin (don't know is she lied) but didn't work out as i talked too much about my political views
>>34446663
jesus bro, i just want love, none of this performative shit

>>34446686
>i just want love
This is because you are a sad bitch and you're looking for women to be your mommy. Hope this helps!

>>34446690
ojjjjjj that hurt

>>34446690
Nta but you're a posturing idiot. You're pretending to be a hard man "hurr if you want love it means you are wanting mommy" fucking grow up. You sound like a kid crying about getting 'cooties'. No one likes cold hearted bastards

>>34446698
Jk lol just be a sweetheart and be urself it'll work out :^)
>>34446701
Cope-a cope-a cope-a cope-a cope-a chameleoooooooooon
You come and cooooooope
You come and cooooooope

>>34446709
>Cope buzzword
Get a personality while you're at it instead did repeating soundbytes, terminally online sperg shit.

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>>34446599
It's far more expedient to beat someone with the flat of your sword repeatedly until they either see sense or die than to duel them.
>>34446626
Important to whom? Do you have to hide behind the skirts of dead men?
>it's not a product of my insecurities
You're attributing it value and I don't reckon that there's some sort of theological justification for why. On the other hand if you're insecure about how you measure up to other men then women who know other men pose an existential problem. You can't be sure that you're the best partner she has ever had if you're not the only partner she's ever had. Why are you even possessive of someone who has no relationship with you yet? Why should a past that has nothing to do with you dictate the present and future relationship that you could have with a woman? You are not only retroactively cucking yourself but also cucking yourself presently and well into the future, rent free too.
And the solution is really quite simple. If one forgoes retarded shit like 'purity' and 'virginity' then most women are potential partners with no immediate disqualifying qualities to them. A partner's qualifications ought to be measured on the worth of who they are, who they say they are and how they are as opposed to bastardized pop-culture dogma that has no bearing on your mutual enjoyment and fulfillment from having that relationship. Look at it this way: If your top priority is an hymen then you're not actually concerned with much more important qualities such as her personality, beliefs, aptitude for raising children, etc. which have actual impact on the relationship if you're not actually a degenerate fixated on sex (or the lack thereof) larping as a tradnigger. It's really a matter of priorities: If you want an hymen you're seeking a fetish not a partner.

>>34446717
>It's far more expedient to beat someone with the flat of your sword repeatedly until they either see sense or die than to duel them.
It's text on a screen nigga this isn't a duel to the death. Man I'm going to sleep, autism is a helluva drug to be around. You spergs need to have a health warning disclaimer: [warning: prolonged exposure to autism may cause brain rot]

Peace out OP. You're gonna get shit on for being a purist by other purists of a different stripe. Such is the way of the autism jungle

>>34446389
>"my ex boyfriend.."
This doesn't equate to her having had sex. Wait until marriage and expect the same.

>>34446675
im a guy retard, and the girl i fucked was also 14. but she was from california so i feel like thats cheating.

>>34446686
unless a girl drops the hard R never discuss politics with her

>>34446389
If she isn't a virgin what's the point. I fully agree.

>>34446717
>If you stop having standards, more people are potential partners
Gee, thanks for the insight, sherlock

>>34446986
nta
Expecting a pure virgin wife when you're past your early 20s is unrealistic standards. Standards should be realistic. Most people stop being virgins after their early 20s male and female, get over it.

>>34446389
Perfectly normal. Don't let these retarded holes and white knight male feminist cucks tell you otherwise.

>>34446389
>woman had sex with someone before she met you
>immediately compare yourself to him and conlude that he was probably superior to you
>give up on her so she can keep fucking other men
isn't this basically just getting cucked by your own imagination?

>>34447060
>Standards should be realistic.
No, they only need to be self-consistent (i.e. if OP simultaneously demands a virgin and expects sex within a couple dates, then he'd be retarded). Obviously, one should realize what they're signing up for, but there isn't anything wrong with holding out for a rarity if one is willing to accept the likely outcome of not finding anyone.

>>34447149
>immediately compare yourself to him and conlude that he was probably superior to you
No idea where this meme comes from. Nobody actually thinks this. The fact that there's a comparison at all is what's disgusting. How you stack up is irrelevant, and most people would probably be even more disgusted if their "competition" is someone utterly beneath them in every way.
It isn't that deep. OP just doesn't want to share his wife.

>>34446389
Thanks for the Snow Princess (picrel), OP.

>>34447390
>It isn't that deep
thought-terminating cliche
>OP just doesn't want to share his wife
i can understand not trusting a promiscuous whore who can't commit to real relationships, but this is stupid. You're "sharing her" with a guy whose involvement ended before you even knew her. Like i said, you're getting cucked by your own imagination. There's a little imaginary bull in your subconscious and he's freeusing your girlfriends before you can even kiss them.

Fair, I won't love a non virgin. Used goods

>>34447537
This mindset will eventually be eradicated through natural selection. Since holding out for a virgin dramatically reduces your chance of reproducing, the men who are willing to fuck more experienced women will have way more children.

>>34447564
Modern (((liberated))) men and women don't have children because they'd rather spend their time and money on other things lol, what "natural selection" is favoring now is being part of a hyper religious community that separates itself from the mainstream modern culture and still enforces the old rules about fornication.

>>34447612
So go join one of those.

>>34447537
>thought-terminating cliche
That would be the meme that you baselessly put out, assuming what someone tells you actually has some hidden meaning you can then ridicule. How about you take it at face value instead?
>You're "sharing her" with a guy whose involvement ended before you even knew her.
Uh, yeah. You are the sum of your actions. Why wouldn't the past matter? Her having sex outside of marriage is proof positive that she doesn't value commitment or exclusivity as I do. Again, this has nothing whatsoever to do with whether I "measure up". I can't speak for OP, but I would be even more disgusted, not less, if she gave herself to some ogre than a conventionally attractive dude.

>>34446389
Evidence that this is an unnatural and unhealthy obsession lies in the imability to distinguish between "had a boyfriend" and "ten niggers fucking her"

Honestly, you just have to become a passport bro and try to find a wife in a very conservativ country or just try to find a very religious girl if it's something your open to.

I personally don't care if she's not a virgin but I hate the idea of being part of the hookup cultur like wdym you don't give any value to the concept of physical intimacy ?

>>34446986
>>34447060
>>34447390
It's a vicious cycle.
>wants virgin
>doesn't find virgin because it's around 1/10th to 1/20th of women and the statistics get worse with age
>"all women are whores"
Very clear pipeline here. And for what? Most people do not actually accept the odds because they aren't fully cognizant of them, hence why there are cases like OP.
Also it's not about not having standards, it's about not being delusional. You can't claim to have sane standards when you exclude >90% of women as a non-starter.

>>34446389
Yes, women will always compare you to their exs

>>34446646
I miss her

Geomaxx fresh pussies based on your racial preference.

>>34446389
serious question, would you rather be with a normie woman with a bodycount of 5 or an autistic woman who is a virgin but regularly fantisizes about her coworker when she is having sex with you?

>>34446389
Whatever. I'm texting this one girl, quite boring. Clueless on sex topics.

Just to inject the occasional fact into this mass of ignorance and prejudice, the average age for loss of virginity in the US is 18.5, with most other countries higher.

well, women who have premarital sex partners have higher divorce rates, so I guess it does matters

>>34448519
You realize that statistic comes from studies that only measure marriage success based on whether they stayed together and never measure happiness and satisfaction in marriage, right? You're aware that there are plenty of marriages that are miserable but the people don't divorce for a multitude of reasons, right?

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>>34448584
cope harder, you and your feminine urge to reply to a statistical generalization with cherrypicked counter examples

>>34448621
This is the most retarded statistic, since inexperienced 20 year olds who have been married for 1 year will report higher satisfaction rates than 30-year olds who have been married for 5-10 years and/or remarried. The only difference is that they got older and got more life experience.

>>34448621
How am I using cherrypicked counter examples? I was stating that none of those studies ever actually analyzed happiness in marriage which is way more important to the success of a marriage then if no divorce occurs.

>>34448632
>*you feel the weight of the cocks you've taken crawling up your soul* *they are deprivating you of what could have been a more pleasant life*
*you are a cumslut*

>>34448641
According to your chart, a woman who had 4 partners is the same as a woman who had 21+ partners. Seems true and real guiz

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>>34448653
imagine sacrificing the chance of happiness in exchange for drowning in semen lmao ishygddt

>>34448692
So a virgin wife raises chances of satisfaction from 9% to 20%? Basically indicating that 80% of virgin couples aren't satisfied. That isn't even that good.
You are sacrificing 95% of your chances with women for a 10% increase in possible satisfaction.

>>34448705
>what do you mean I can't stuff my face with cocks??? NOOOOOOOOOOOO
https://ifstudies.org/blog/number-6-in-2023-the-myth-of-sexual-experience

>>34448716
I already responded to that when you posted the picture. To me, it seems like you aren't capable of addressing the numbers.

>>34448719
you aren't capable of addressing the numbers of the cocks you've taken
how many? 100? 200? 500? how many miles of cocks have asphalted you?

>>34448728
Ask your mom.

>is it normal
No.

>>34448716
Seems like the only thing you can think of is other men's cocks and cum. I wonder why.

>>34447700
>"Not that deep"
>How about you take it at face value instead?
The internet cooked your brain and now you don't even like to think anymore

>>34446675
my gf said all her friends lost it in middle school. They even tried to set her up to lose it but she chickened out and lost it at 17 instead

>>34449219
>my gf said all her friends lost it in middle school. They even tried to set her up to lose it but she chickened out and lost it at 17 instead
Jesus. What shit hole do you both live in where that's normalized?

>>34449280
I'm in southwest USA

>>34449386
Yeah that tracks. No disrespect to you, but American women are fucking insane. There's a reason why the rest of the other continents don't go to America to chase wife material. D

>>34449401
Yeah, for sure. I just fuck chicks no commitments here. Not into asians, so guess I'll stay single rest of my days.

>>34446640
It’s a zoomer thing

>yeah virginity doesn't matter bruh
>it actually does, here's the proo-
>LALALALLALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU, IT DOESN'T COUNT
lol

>>34449471
>STOP CRITICIZING MUH PRECIOUS STUDIES
Do you have any actual responses to the criticisms of the studies, or are you just gonna call everybody a cuck or slut?

>>34449476
nah, it would be wasted time
if I do, you'll just clutch at straws again and again and say I'm wrong no matter what
if I don't, you'll just say I'm wrong
don't you know that internet arguments work this way? why should you or me or anybody put any modicum of effort in something where all parties are entrenched in their positions? I'll say, enjoy what you believe in, and pray your husband/butchwife won't smash your skull on the wall out of jealousy or rage

i swear, whenever i ask for advice here, i get good caring advice first but then it spirals into a full shitshow without any value.
hate to see it.

>>34449522
you don't actually want advice, you want reassurance, they should make a /rssr/board

>>34449529
/rssr/ would just be full of e-girls, trannies and autists with OCD.

Wake me up when we have /encg/ - encouragement board, the board for men with testicles.

>>34449533
why not? maybe a /si/ self improvement board as well

>>34446389
Maybe you have OCD like me, I don't know. That kind of idea also disgusts me, but then again, all people are filthy sacks of vomit, piss, and shit. To me, neither man nor woman is inherently pure to begin with. I suggest you to be more casual to people instead of devoting yourself to one, don't give anyone your whole heart and you won't give much shit about their shortcomings.
You never own this kind of car, you always just rent it for a time, a lifetime or less.

>>34446389
>i can't imagine myself to ever be together with a girl that someone else has put his dick inside of her.
You do this because you are self conscious of being compared to other men. Any other reasoning is a cope.

>>34446389
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1090513803000163
1. Our mushroom-like dickheads are most likely designed to scoop out other men's semen from vaginas, also
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5726892/
2. Without STDs and pregnancy, they are practically clean after half a month anyway, no traces of semen, the acidic environment and constant shedding make sure of that

>>34448957
>I could listen to you, but instead I'll invent motivations for you despite being explicitly told they're incorrect and then argue against those
>I am smart