Why would you want to stop. having an attractive mother is something you are very very lucky to have. the bond is stronger when you want to fuck your mom.

>>34451086
By understanding why you're attracted to her. I have this issue on and off. I'm attracted to blondes. Unsure if its because my mom's blonde. I got into incest porn via a chain of /b/ cousin stories to sister stories to aunt stories to mom stories. I was grossed out by the mom stuff at first. Xev Bellringer's chicken tendie video also fucked me up & I watched more from other mommy POV performers since. I think another part of it is because I'm not close to any other woman. I didn't used to look at my mom's breasts, but now I catch myself looking sometimes. The porn fucked me up. I know for sure is I don't want to fuck her. She has a horrible personality. I don't know how it would affect our good relationship. I co-own our home with her and we live together. It feels like we're married at times because we talk bills and household stuff and have daily TV time together and hugs. She's even said about how "I'm not her husband." Outside of her being a nag because she's my mom who nags, everything is pretty good.

My mom also got handsy with me at times. I've had to swat her hand away from touching my butt on multiple occasions. It got so bad once I had to yell at her a few times to stop. Same thing with her kissing the back of my neck before dinner. We used to cuddle a lot. I pulled away because I knew its weird, but there was a time where I pinned her down on her bed and looked at her. The way she looked away from me was like she thought I was going kiss her and she was ashamed. We have had quick kisses on the lips before but that moment on her bed where I didn't kiss her was different. I try to only kiss her forehead now because cheek sometimes becomes lips by mistake on a bad head turn. I keep myself and her in check by not allowing myself to be too touchy. For me hugs and forehead kisses are my limit and if she starts touching my butt again, I'll swat her hand. Set your own boundaries so it doesn't get out of hand.

>>34451110
It is easier for me because I've decided on my own that kisses, lewd touches, and especially sex is off the table with my mom. We've never discussed any of this outside of how she doesn't have a say in what I do because I'm not her husband, (her words) and how I've told her to stop kissing my neck because I don't like it. I kind of do like it, but I don't want to like it. It's sensitive and I snap away in a manner where I might accidentally headbutt her with the back of my head because the alternative is leaning into it.

Oh, and when I said I look at her breasts, I mean clothed. I don't peak at her. She has left her door open while changing clothes before and the bathroom door open. I've told her how she should close the doors but she's said how I'm not going to look. She does close the bathroom door now, but sometimes changes with her door open still. I always shut doors and I've never peaked. Again, myself enforcing boundaries.

That being said, maybe OPs relationship with their mom is different and it wouldn't be terrible if things happened. I just think it wouldn't be good in my case. I've had trust issues with my mom on a couple of occasions.

>>34451124
shes grooming you becareful

ew

>>34451364
I'm over 30. This has all been after high school. I never saw her in any way until after porn fucked with my head. Like I said, I have also set hard boundaries for myself and do not want anything to happen.

>>34451124
>>34451736
you're so damn lucky, anon. i'm assuming you're white and your mom is a MILF. basically living in some anime fantasy.

>>34451736
Porn never made me attracted to real women because hentai is 1000x better. Porn acting ruins everything.

>>34451758
Watch porn in other languages. the language barrier means you don't notice the bad acting. for me, it's JAV. if i can't understand what their saying, it's a lot better.

>>34451752
You assume right although she is closer to GILF age now, but I'm not going to make her a grandmother. I don't want kids. My "friends" used to make those sort of comments about her. I didn't see it at the time, but it did make me not want them over when she was home. Which was good because she hates having people over anyway. I'd feel more lucky if her attitude wasn't terrible. She yells about small stuff a lot, but I know things good be worse. I miss the cuddles from when I was younger and it was appropriate, but we still hug. She also dresses conservatively so it's not like I'm able to really see anything, and like I said before, I don't peep on her. Her attitude makes me listen to mommy ASMR because sweet nothings and praise are nice, and that's one thing she almost never does. She usually a negative sort of person. Another thing that fucked me up was how a lot of POV MILF porn was incest themed before the PH purge. They even allowed non-step stuff. I was originally in it for big boobs and POV and then it was mommy themed and I now have this fetish. The one thing I do know is, I'll indulge the fetish privately, but I don't want my own mother specifically. You can call it a wasted chance or whatever, grass is greener blah blah blah, but I'm not going to mess anything up. Life is comfy now for the first time in a while, I'm not crossing lines.

>>34451758
There is some pretty good POV incest stuff out there. It's why Xev Bellringer ruined me. Hentai acting is also pretty bad if you watch dubbed. This anon gets it. >>34451769

>>34451769
I think JAV is a lot better anyway. They put more soul into it. There are a few production companies like PureTaboo and Vivid who actually put effort in and have good acting.

>>34453075
>good be worse
Think I was trying to say "things are good" and "could be worse".

>>34451110
>I co-own our home with her and we live together.
I guess all these problems come form this. Differently than you, I don't lust after my mom at all, but I still watch hentai and read incest mangas... I don't have a father around (they divorced) and I pay the mortgage and other bills around home, on top of all that, I also don't have any women around. That's not natural, it can't be.

>>34451110
>My mom also got handsy with me at times. I've had to swat her hand away from touching my butt on multiple occasions
WTF, your mom wants to fuck you dude. WTF

>>34451110
>I pinned her down on her bed and looked at her.
WTF dude, she wants you to fuck her and you want to fuck her WTF

>>34451110
>We have had quick kisses on the lips before
WTF dude, WTF, like WTF

>>34451758
>Porn never made me attracted to real women because hentai is 1000x better. Porn acting ruins everything.
True, I stoped watching porn, got into hentai, then got into manga, then got into AI porn. One is better than the other, and after you start the next one, you can't go back to the other media, it's impossible. You can still jerk off to that, but it's not the same, I guess I won't ever be able to have sex anymore.

>>34453127
No. The co-owning the home is recent. I was added onto the deed after I paid off the rest of the mortgage. We also now live alone together but that wasn't the case before. All of this other stuff was happening before we were living alone together. I dialed it back hard because I realized what was happening even if she didn't. On my end, it's because we used to cuddle a lot when I was a kid and boys when boys find out they are stronger than their mom, it's fun to show that power. However, the thoughts on my end only happened after I was an adult and only after I got exposed to incest porn. So it is not the co-owning the home, or even the living alone. Those can contribute, but it's really the porn that fucked with my head. I never looked at her like this before the porn. I am aware it's the porn, and I'm aware it isn't natural at all.

>>34453131
>ovulating
This stuff happened on and off. She might be post-menopause now. I haven't seen blood on her sheets in a while, but I also don't spend as much time in her room as I used to. Last time I noticed blood I was still a minor and now I'm over 30.

>>34453141
>and you want to fuck her
I want to fuck. I'm a wizard with no women in my life. I do not want to fuck her though. That was a moment though, but I was really just looking and I wasn't thinking about a kiss at all until after she turned her head away abruptly. I wasn't feeling any sexual tension until after she looked away. I haven't gotten that close to her since of my own accord because I know I shouldn't be pinning her down.

>kisses on the lips
That's actually quite normal in some families. I've never made out with her or anything like that. Just pecks. And I have since stopped the lip kisses.

>>34453198
Do you want to stop with the incest porn stuff? Like, I don't watch real porn at all, just AI stuff, and I read manga, but you might be right, paying the bills and these other stuff may not have anything to do with it and it may be all porn's fault and loneliness. I don't know if I should stop, it's all I have, I am close to mid 20s and I'm also a wizard, lol

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>>34453224
I don't know if I want to stop the incest porn. It's a really good nut every time. It's not the only porn I watch, and I get other good nuts from that too. I actually spend almost as much time organizing my porn as watching it. (I'm a hoarder who watches real porn, western, JAV, POV, hentai, audio only porn, VR porn. Incest is only a small selection of what i watch.) I could game more if I quit porn or do more project stuff, but I don't think I want to quit. Not at least while I'm single. I'm an introvert who lives in nowhere suburbia and is scared of dating apps. Covid didn't help. Last woman I was friends with was the first one since high school and Covid ended that. I didn't want to date her because she had 2 kids already.

I know I can disassociate my mom enough away from the incest porn. I used to watch it without her in mind at all, and I still don't think about her when I do watch it (most of the time). My latest thing is chatbot AI and that shit is like crack when it comes to roleplaying stuff. I lose hours to it. It opened up some creative writing outlets for me though. I'm not really a writer.

I'm more off the deep end into porn than you are by A LOT. Some suggest that porn can negatively affect your confidence and drive to go out and date. You're getting your physical needs met by it, so why find a woman? Dating is a whole nother can of worms, but finding a woman might help you move on from your mom. Even if it's just a hook-up. I personally don't believe in hook-ups, but I also missed that chance for the high school sweetheart. (I was asked out, and said no because I was stupid.)

>mid-20s
>wizard
Wizard is defined by being over 30 and a virgin. You're just a virgin still, not a wizard.

>>34453266
>I'm more off the deep end into porn than you are by A LOT
Yeah, the only stuff I consume is incest manga and normal AI porn. I wouldn't advice anyone on watching normal AI porn, it fucked my brain beyond return, they have such a perfect body that it's impossible to exist in real life.

>I'm an introvert who lives in nowhere suburbia
Don't you want to move out? I want to move out so badly, but I can't afford since I help my mom with the bills. It sucks that at this age my siblings were already married.

>I also missed that chance for the high school sweetheart. (I was asked out, and said no because I was stupid.)
Same, both in middle school and high school, a girl from my class asked me out, but graduation was approaching, and I decided not to pursue her, I went to university soon after. She got married two or three years later to an older man while I was still studying.

>Wizard is defined by being over 30 and a virgin. You're just a virgin still, not a wizard.
You're right, yeah, I'm not one, but I'm getting there in a couple of years.

in shock

>>34453310
>Move out?
Yes, and no. I have over $100k in savings and am NEETing at the moment. Mom pays all the bills with social security. I don't feel like I'm leeching because I helped save her from paying the bank interest by dipping into my savings to finish off the mortgage and sometimes I find things for her that help with tax breaks. I also do yard work for her. Mom also cooks for me and I like that. Sometimes it even helps keep me going. I don't eat right without her. If I lived alone, I think I could focus more and get more things that I need done finished, but I'm the only family member really in her life. I'd feel like I'd be abandoning her if I moved away. I also have a lot of stuff I'd need to sell before moving and I'm trying to start a business right now. Won't go into details about that here. I also hate cities, which are the only places where dating options open up it seems.
Why do you want to move out? Is it just your attraction to your mom or something else?

You don't have to become a wizard if you make yourself date or even try for a hook-up. Hook-ups aren't for me, but they may be for you. My problem was that when I was 25 I thought I'd finally give dating a try, then Covid hit and other stuff happened. This year is my first year I really feel like I can start putting my life back together. Paying off the house helped a lot. Sometimes I feel like I don't date because I don't want my mom to try to start dating again. Not because I'd get jealous, I just don't want the unpredictability of a random dude in her her life. Last time she tried dating she got scammed out of $10k and wouldn't listen to me when I warned her. The other part about not dating for me is I have other fears about that. Moving out would help because I'd feel weird about bringing someone back to my mom's and I just can't see myself having sex here. My mom is also a sex after marriage judgy Christian and don't want to get married for financial risk reasons.

>>34451110
My mom said I have a huge cock (her exact words btw, I didn’t know the word cock was even in her vocabulary) when she first saw it hard and has mentioned it a few times since. It escalated to her sometimes grabbing it while I had pants on, and she even grabbed it in front of my grandparents one time when we were at their house, but I don’t think they saw her do it because I was standing behind her. I remember cuddling up in bed with her one time while we were away on a trip and just pressing my throbbing cock into her crotch area with only her underwear, I wish she would’ve slipped my cock inside of her that time

>>34453313
This sort of thing is far more common than you think. I bet Covid really kicked things off for incest relationships. You just don't hear about it because not many would risk their freedom by telling people about it? Seems like OP and myself aren't actually doing anything with our moms, (I know I'm not) but a decent amount of stories on /b/ are probably real.

>>34453380
Sounds like you are much further along than OP and myself. I've put the brakes on it early. Do you ever want to stop? Or do purposefully put yourself in situations where she grabs it more? How did she see your cock hard? Have you ever verbally acknowledged her touching of it?

I had to stop cuddling in bed with her because I didn't want to get a boner. We slept in the same bed in a hotel one time and she seemed concerned about making me uncomfortable, but I was just like no big deal, because I knew I wasn't going to let anything happen, and I stayed way over on my side of the bed.

>>34453403
She walked in on me while I was watching porn. It’s been a while since she has last grabbed it since I’ve moved out of the house to live with my girlfriend, but she still finds reasons to bring it up in conversation sometimes. I wish I could make her grab it, but it seemed to be her way of teasing me and I had no control over that. I did try to put myself in those situations by walking around with a throbbing bulge in my pants or by just letting myself get caught masturbating. I think my stepdad was getting jealous of me at some point and was even telling my mom that I want to fuck her lol. I did somewhat verbally acknowledge it, but more so explaining my shock, I prefer to get a nice handful of her giant ass instead. I still love to grope her big ass, I like to grab it or slap it, especially while giving her a hug, even nowadays.

>>34453426
How does your mom bring it up in conversation?
Do you love your girlfriend?
Would you cheat on her with your mom?
How did you find out your stepdad told her that you want to fuck her, did she tell you or did you overhear?
How does he get around you?
Were you grabbing her ass before or after she grabbed your cock?
When did it escalate to her grabbing it?

My mom has said that she likes that my underwear isn't tighty-whities. I've had my pajama pants low when walking around her a few times and she's touched my waist to point it out. I think she enjoys it, but I'm not doing it on purpose. I just forget to tie them sometimes or don't on the way to the bathroom. I think I caught her looking at my crotch one time. She's anti-porn and has suspected me of porn a couple times but never outright caught me in the act. She almost caught me once, and one time she caught my fly open when I was layingo on my bed one time and asked why it was open. The truth was that I probably didn't zip it up correctly all the way.

>>34453444
Well last time she was lecturing me about getting my shit together she said something along the lines of “just because you have a big dick, do you think that’s all it takes to be a man?” Other times it would be like discussing a crazy ex of mine that I dated when I was a teen, and my mom would say oh she was so cute and this and that and then out of nowhere she said say something like “I can’t believe you made that innocent little girl take that big thing”.

I do love my girlfriend very much, but I would definitely cheat on her to fuck my mo

My stepdad would openly complain about how I was hugging her from the back and shit like that and saying that it was going too far. If she didn’t mention seeing my dick to him before, one time she opened the door to say goodnight and they both saw it, so I’m pretty sure he is jealous of my size.

>>how does he get around you?
I’m not sure what you mean, I moved out and our relationship has improved as a result

I definitely started grabbing her ass after she started grabbing my cock, I’m pretty sure I gave her ass a nice squeeze when she groped my cock in front of my grandparents. She also does her fair share of grabbing my ass. Nowadays I’ll just do it completely unprompted, I slapped her ass really hard like two or three weeks ago and she complained and said she doesn’t know how my girlfriend deals with butt smacks like those.

I don’t really remember when it escalated to grabbing my cock, but she definitely started with grabbing my ass. I fondly remember her pouncing on me one time when I was in bed to wake me up and felling my hard morning word pressed up against her through the blanket.


I think most moms are curious about how their boys are developing, even if they don’t want to admit it :)

>>34453481
>How does stepdad get around you?
I meant like his attitude. If he gets threatening jealous, or gives you the evil eye, or if he just tries to avoid you. I guess I can change "gets" to "got" now that you've moved out.

Are you jealous that your stepdad fucks your mom? Or does he not to your knowledge?
Has your mom ever grabbed your cock directly or just through clothes?
What about you with her ass? Her with yours?
How long are the cock grabs?
Would you still cheat with your mom if you knew your girlfriend would find out about it and dump you?
How big is your dick? No homo, just curious if your mom might consider me big as well because I wonder if my mom would think I'm big, but she's never seen it or if she has she has never commented on it.


My mom has walked in my room when I was hard under the blanket a few times because I either had morning wood or she was interrupting a porn jerk off session. (I jerk it in my underwear under the blanket sometimes when she is home because I don't want her catching me because I don't think it would go over well if she did.) I don't know if she knew I was hard. Whenever I need to go to the bathroom with an erection, I put my hands in my pockets and hold my pants up that way so it doesn't show as much. I had to do that the other day when I woke up with a boner and had to take a shit immediately. I was in pain and really hard, and absolutely not horny.

>>34453521
Oh, well when I lived with them, my stepdad and I hardly got along. I thought he hated me, and I definitely hated him at times. He is a bit bigger than me in terms of his build so he used to try to physically intimidate me, but i started lifting religiously and training in Muay Thai, and that pretty much stopped.

I’ll admit that I’m a little jealous that he gets to fuck her. I’m sure they do fuck, but surprisingly I’ve never heard them, and you can hear literally every single drop of sound in that house and our rooms shared a wall. I can’t really even recall seeing them kiss.

She’s never grabbed it bare, but she did grab it when I was only wearing underwear. I regret never just whipping it out after she grabbed it to see what she might do.

I have been grabbing her ass while she has been wearing pants, usually yoga pants or jeans, I haven’t seen her without pants on in a minute since we don’t live together anymore. She would definitely grab my ass in just underwear, pants, and even just a bathrobe.

If I knew that my girlfriend would find out about it and dump me, it makes things a little complicated because then she might out me as a motherfucker to the whole world, and that wouldn’t be ideal. Given the chance though, I’m not sure if I’d be able to resist thoroughly fucking her in the moment.

My dick is 8 inches long and 5.25 inches of girth, and uncircumcised. It is maybe 5.5 inches of girth at the base, but I don’t really count it because I can’t go balls deep in most positions with most girls anyway. How about you? What would happen if she caught you watching porn? Would she be disappointed that you were watching porn and try to lecture you? Do you think she would say something if she caught you walking around with a boner?

I personally always jerked off with the covers off and my legs spread apart in bed, since my bed faces the door to my room.

>>34453607
>How about you?
7 in cut. Never measured girth probably around 4 to 5 in. I'm a grower not a shower so measuring girth is hard.

There have only been 2 times ever where porn has been discussed. The first time she opened her laptop (I didn't have one yet.) and I had last used a webm of noname55 Samus Aran getting fucked doggystyle POV. Normally I'm private in Firefox, but I didn't realize the webm opened in a normal window and Firefox's automatic session restore opened my saved filed. She saw the filepath with my name (it was in my folder on the PC hidden away) but she didn't know how to find my folder. She confronted me and I got silent and eventually just said that's not me, I'm not like that. I told her we banned some guy on Discord later on and she dropped it. The 2nd time, I forget why she confronted me but she straight up asked if I watch porn. I lied again, and she said if I did, she'd pray for me and she dropped the topic. She probably found something else that 2nd time or snooped on my PC, but I was still hiding things in hidden folders and she isn't that good with computers. She is a yeller and a lecturer usually and before I got on the deed I was scared I'd be kicked out. Our power dynamic is different now. I help her more and I have money in case something goes wrong. Before I was driving a shitbox barely making it. If she caught me, she'd probably yell or walk away silently. I don't know. She'd also probably say "I knew it!" now.

She says something about my pants being low often, and may not right away though so she can look for a moment. If she caught me with a boner walking around I don't think she would say anything. Mainly because it's only ever from my room to the bathroom which is 3 strides from my room and I always wait for it to calm down unless I need to go bad. I think she's seen the outline in my pajama pants a few times but not fully hard. I try to make my pockets and pants longer than my hard dick so it doesn't show if I am hard.

>>34453607
More comments. I ran out of characters.
>On jerking off.
Yeah, the difference between us is I have to hide it and you could get away with showing off because you get dick grabs. I really don't think it would work out well if I tried to seduce my mom at all. Nor do I really want to. The fantasy is hot, but it's not usually specifically her i think about. Just the close relationship and the taboo for me.

Now that you're moved out, are you still going to try to make moves on your mom? Try not to let the horny speak for you on this one. I know you want to do it, but will you? If you can get away with it do you think it is a good idea? Do you think it could possibly have a negative impact on your relationship with her? If so, why?

Going to bed after this one. Will check the thread tomorrow night if it's still up. Thanks for the joint therapy session. You can't really take this shit anywhere else.

>>34451086
found some really hot anecodotes from a Chinese dude on Twitter...

"Seeing this. It really gives me that déjà vu from the son's perspective in those incest novels. My parents are rural folks, and when I was little, they had no concept of avoidance, so I grew up looking at my mom's naked body, and I've always wanted to truly fuck her. When I was in middle school and finally rubbed against her pussy, she realized I had sexual awareness, so she started avoiding me. If you guys can accept incest, then your son is very fortunate—he can fuck his own mom.

If my mom had the same mindset as your wife, I reckon I probably wouldn't get married. I'd keep having sex with my mom forever. It's a pity that now she's on guard against me; she knows I want to fuck her, so she won't stay alone with me at home anymore."

https://x.com/0791MOJITO/status/2038804901355270200

wild.

>>34453607
Oh yeah. Couple of the horny variety questions too.
When she grabs your dick, how long does she grab it for?
Does she ever rub, squeeze or stroke it?
How roughly do you squeeze her ass? How does she react to it?

I'm pretty sure my mom hasn't had sex since my parents separated when I was 3. So about 30 years no sex. I'm the same though except I'm a wizard. Never bothered trying to date in my 20s. Didn't think I wanted or needed it and had other hang-ups. My dad was her high school sweetheart. She has tried dating a couple of times but it doesn't work out. She seems really clueless about what men want and has asked me questions. Only this past year has she commented that she just realized that men seem to be visually oriented. I don't look at women in public because I used to just think it was disrespectful and also I didn't want anyone catching me. I've always had a fear of getting caught being bad because of Christian upbringing which I have since mostly rejected. I think it was more that I didn't want my mom catching me being "bad" though because I didn't want to get yelled at. I passed on sex ed because I thought she would think it was of the devil. People have suggested to find out what happens if we get drunk but we don't drink because she has said alcohol is of the devil. As such I wasn't comfortable around it at all. I now don't drink not because of her or religion but because I value my cognitiveness and I've seen some bad things about too much alcohol and I don't want to experiment with it at all.

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>>34453748
too good

>>34453659
7 inches is pretty big, I’m sure your mother would agree.

That sounds like a difficult situation though, beating your meat should be time to fully relax, not stressing about your mom potentially screaming at you or even getting kicked out of those house. Did she ever explicitly threaten to kick you out of the house over porn? Is she religious, by any chance?

Why do you feel the need to hide it from her when you are wearing pants? Do you worry that she would call you out for being inappropriate? I definitely personally felt that way at some point and would try my best to hide it, but it transformed into me wanting to show off, like when I would let her catch me stroking, so I would purposely get erections in front of her too sometimes before approaching her.

I remember when I was in high school I had some gray shorts that were a similar material to sweatpants, maybe cotton. Anyways, my mom kept commenting that I shouldn’t wear that in public, and one time, her best friend was there and agreed with my mom, and then she asked me if I pulled the shorts up high or something, so I pulled up my shirt and she saw the shorts were properly at my waist. It occurred to me a while after that they thought that the outline of my bulge was too big and revealing in those shorts.

Even now, I’m not certain that it would work out well, despite the history of groping. I’ve fantasized about just taking her by force, but I would never act on that, it would have to be consensual.

Now that I’ve moved out, I’m not actively making any moves on her, unless you count squeezing and slapping her big milf mommy butt. If I saw her more often, maybe things would be different. When I had a serious fight with my girlfriend, I stayed in my old room for a night, and let my mom catch me playing with my cock when she checked on me before leaving for work in the morning for old times sake.

>>34453682
Continued

So I’m not going to escalate things, I’m just going to keep things as they are, and I doubt anything will happen as a result of them, thought I guess it’s not impossible. I don’t want to fuck up my life at this point in time and potentially ruin my relationship with my girlfriend and my entire family, especially not mom. Even if I could get away with it, I’m not sure that it is a good idea for the very reason that it could possibly have a negative impact on our relationship. You could never possibly know what is going on in another person’s head, I can’t help but worry that she might develop feelings of shame, guilt, regrets, or something along those lines that could possibly create a rift between us forever. I know that she loves me more than anything and anyone, so the last thing I want to do is to hurt her. All things considered, I would not hesitate to fuck her if she asked me to (not that I think that would happen). Realistically, I don’t think I would risk trying to seduce her, but I would let her seduce me for sure. I don’t think there is anything wrong with fucking her if we get away with it completely as long as there are no bad feelings between us.

Likewise, I wouldn’t even dare tell my therapist these things when I spoke with one.

>>34453778
Couldn't sleep.

I jerk off at night, and fully jerk off when I know she'll be gone for hours. I'm not stressed about it because I've just about perfected being quiet. I also have locks on my door now, but I was doing it for years without the locks. I do lock my door in case she comes home early. She has not threatened to kick me out over porn but has in the past for other thing. Her mother, when she was alive actually did kick me out once and she flip flopped back and forth on backing her up or back me up. Now that we are alone and I am also on the deed to the house, I no longer fear being kicked out because she legally cannot anymore. My anxiety being reduced probably reduces her stress levels about other things as well and helps us get along better in a normal mom/son sense. She is religious.

I hide my boner because i know it shouldn't be seen and I don't want anything to happen for the sake of unknown negative consequences. I don't know if she would say anything or not. I guess it is similar to how I we don't walk around the house in just our underwear or naked. Would be interesting if she reacted like your mom did, but I'm not chancing that. If she made a really aggressive grab my dick move on me though, I think I'd let her. I just can't be the one to do it. Not like I leave opportunity. There is also a bit of shame like "I can't get anyone other than my mom? Really?" Of course I don't make opportunity for myself to get a girlfriend either because I'm super introverted with social issues and trust issues.

I have also had rape fantasy and combined with incest sometimes, but only in a porn sense and not while thinking about her. I also only like rape if the woman eventually likes it stockholm syndrome like. I also would never rape. I do care about her and also naturally I'd be afraid of her turning me into the police.

>>34453833
Yeah, that's my feelings on it as well. I don't escalate anything and I actually actively deescalate now. I'd let her make whatever move if it's super obvious, but I am discouraging by swatting her hand and stopping her neck kisses as I always have. I think it suspicious if I change my behavior. I don't think anything ever will happen between me and mom and I think that's just fine. If she made a move where it was super clear, I'd allow it. If we had progressed to cock grabbing, I'd be able to keep that going I think. If I got a girlfriend, I'd stop it, but I don't think I'd look for one if I had my mom grabbing my cock.

My main fear would be her thinking it's sinful and incest isn't allowed in the Bible under Moses' Laws despite there being incest in his family tree. Just because your family breaks the law that you wrote (in this case God wrote for Moses) doesn't make it legal is the lesson I suppose. I'd be afraid of her feeling guilty or hatred toward herself or me for it.

I think if you keep showing your mom your dick she may make a move sometime. I also think distance will make things less likely. While that's technically not escalation because you've shown her it before it's not deescalation either, and I'd say every time you purposefully show her is a seduction attempt on your part.

When she has caught you masturbating do you stop and put it away or pretend not to notice her?
How long does she look?
Has she ever said anything in the moment or is it just the comments afterward?

>>34453730
Continued

She would grab it for a short period of time, just to tease me, something like 2 seconds each time. She would definitely get a nice big handful and squeeze, and maybe rub it a little back and forth before pulling her hand back away and laughing. I usually also like to get a nice big handful of ass from her, and I’ve been squeezing kinda hard, but not hard enough for her to complain that I’m being rough. I did slap her ass pretty hard recently, and she said it hurt and that she felt for my girlfriend if she gets the same kind of spanking. She doesn’t usually react, but sometimes she likes to act shocked when I do it, for some reason she is not confident with her body even though she is insanely sexy with a perfectly shaped ass and nice big boobs that I’ve seen before, and a pretty face. There has been a time where she asked why I squeezed her ass, maybe disapprovingly, but she didn’t press it any further after I told her it’s not fault she has a squeezable ass.

I can relate to the whole not wanting to look at women, I used to be the same way for a while, and I still feel traces of that mentality sticking around and fucking with me here and there. Similarly, getting caught and getting in trouble would terrify me, but I started to gain some more confidence and push my boundaries a little as I grew into myself and explored. As you have suggested, alcohol is probably one of the best ways to get things going, but I’ve seen my mother truly drunk only two or three times in my entire life, so I’m doubtful that it’s going to be the big breakthrough for my situation either. I respect your decision to not engage in drinking though, I’m personally trying to quit both drinking and smoking weed because they do nothing but make me lazy and waste time.

>>34453481
I'm curious what you both look like. Dont seem like fatties

this is all reminding my of some stuff
there was a phase of maybe 2 years growing up where my mom would grab at my crotch, and I'm not attracted to her so it was very outraging. It's a hard thing to defend against. She did this as some low IQ sorta lf game after an old grandma family friend *apparently* told her to do that to make kids listen or some shit. She never got a hold of me and that felt very violating.

then my bloody sister inherited this behavior and tried doing that to me once. I ran and fell prone on the floor and she tried grabbing from both sides. I hit her and she started crying. "you don't hit girls reee" my mom said as she comforted my sister. I explained myself but I'm not sure if anyone understood the outrage

>>34451124
You mean PEEK, not PEAK

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wtf is wrong with yall... holy fuckin shit... bro

>>34451086
>How can I stop being attracted to my mom?
Stop hating your dad. What's happened is your mother played "build-a-boyfriend" mentally and emotionally with you in what was probably a stint of emotional incest. Emotional incest is non-romantic and non-sexual so don't get excited. It's when a mother overly depends on her own son, using him as a comforter, nagging to him or trauma dumping in him or confiding adult sized emotional problems in him. Basically using the son as her emotional tampon because father (whether he fucked off or not) wasn't tending to his wife. So she then emotionally devours the son to soothe herself.

And what this does is it programs the son to develop sexual attraction for his own mother when he develops into puberty. Because his mind was conditioned to associate adult emotional bonds with his own mother or women who reminds him of his own mother. Because his own mother treated him like an adult when he was just a child.

The mothers most likely to do this unironically have borderline personality disorder or are in that spectrum of borderline tendency.

>>34454316
>>34451086
>Cont
And we are going to see more cases of emotional incest spike, they already have, but it's going to get much worse in the future. Because of economic factors (father and mother now have to both work to make ends meet, it's been like this already but it's becoming more impossible) so that means husband and wife don't connect anymore. And so..

Women are going to look to their own sons to emotionally soothe themselves. It's fine to soothe yourself as a parent if you hug your kid or enjoy time with your kid. But functional parents always stay in the parental character role, they never allow their own adult sized worries about feeling insecure or stable or whatever leak into their children's head. Because children need to enjoy innocence and childhood before then. They also need to believe mom and dad are stable sturdy protectors so they feel safe.
But if mommy is nagging and whimpering about her adult sized emotional issues to her own child, the child loses the innocence. They are mentally forced to become adults mentally before their time. They then feel peers their own age are not longer relatable, and they lose the childhood. The mother "devours" her own boy psychologically.

And the reason this is getting more prevalent isn't just for economic reasons. But for the stupid idea humanity fell for that men & women are "equal". The idea that women are just as independent and capable as men. Absolutely not. Maybe compared to a mental wreck of a man, an infantile immature man sure. But a grown disciplined adult man? Not a chance. The truth is, women have the emotional constitution of children themselves and always have. They cry 60+ times a year, they are child like in their whims and deep down they know and they want to feel "cute". Because she wants a man to protect her and care for her.

And society has forgot this truth about women & men never notice & are told never to lead them. And so we end up with sons wanting to fuck their moms now.

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>>34454335
This describes my experience to a T. Some of my first memories are of mom crying to me at night about how no man will ever love her and how she's not good enough for anyone. I slept in the same bed as her until I was like 12 so this was a near nightly occurrence, at least when she was in-between boyfriends. Ever since I could talk I was her therapist. I think it completely fucked my perception of the world entirely.

When she was in a relationship, though, she'd get more distant and secretive which would confuse the hell out of me. I wouldn't know shit about the guy until they broke up, at which point she'd tell me everything about him and how the relationship went wrong.

>>34454415
How detailed was she?

I can't even imagine talking to a toddler about my dating life lmao

Also why were you confused? Did you want her to continue talking about her life with you?

>>34453149
I got into manga than stayed for the ones that have actual plot. I don't like 90% of AI porn but I won't deny some of it is the highest quality for certain fetishes.

>>34454415
Yeah that's common pattern for this to occurs during or after divorce, or in between consequent partners or stepdads. The dark and ugly truth to it all is all women would do this under the right (or in this case wrong) conditions :

No husband
No boyfriend
Just her and her child
And if she has no friends, and/or has a bad relationship to her childhood family she won't want to trust her child with them. She will try to do it all alone and girlboss it. And she will eventually emotionally devour her own son. Because women have always needed security and support, always, since the day man crawled out of the dirt. That isn't an insult or a negative criticism just a truth we've always known. Men want women. But women, women don't just want a man, she absolutely needs one as if her life depended on it. That's because for 300,000 years or maybe more it did. A woman with no man was a dead one.

So if the woman has no competent or secure husband, and no solid family relatives backing her up, she will become so insecure and neurotic and afraid in herself she will devour her own son's mind and even his heart until there's not much left except a boy who is stuck like that. Never develops his own individuality or independence or self respect or competence or confidence in his manhood, doesn't have a pack of guys to roam with, no physical labour skills, nothing to make him feel like a man and very little to non existence confidence to try.

Good news is it can be reversed and growth continued. But the fucked thing is, there's nothing to avenge and no satisfying accountability from the women (mothers) who do this. Because they genuinely do this unconsciously and out of instinct. There's no wicked witch of the east to hunt, no evil queen mother, just a scared girl in the body of a woman. It's kinda sad actually.

>>34454432
All I can really remember is that what she would say was extremely negative and overblown. She'd see a guy for 4 months and after breaking up with him (SHE was always the one to initiate the breakup), it would be all I'd hear for the next year or so, typically until she found another boyfriend. Just crying and crying about how doomed she was and how unfair life was to her. Like I said, variations of "Why am I unlovable?", "What am I doing wrong?", and "I'm going to die alone."

I remember feeling so anxious and sick about her sadness that I'd often cry myself. I dreaded when she'd date because I knew what was coming next.

It was weird for me because I went from having to be emotionally available to her 24/7 and her pouring her soul out to me every night to absolutely nothing. Like, she wasn't even home most of the time when she'd date so, I just felt super alone. It felt like she was ditching me for some other dude so there was also some sense of betrayal going on there I think. It was like this until I was around 15.

I'm a fucked up person, in a myriad of ways. I think I've had it in my mind that romance was not worth pursuing since I was like 7. It was only recently that I realized that the way she raised me probably had a lot to do with it.

>>34454489
you're a very good writer by the way

>It felt like she was ditching me for some other dude so there was also some sense of betrayal going on
that's quite common, my sister's and I felt this when my mom would date men. They were quite shitty men. Always greasers, big guts, smokers, moustaches, evil. When she finally started a fling with a cop I stopped caring because could tell his soul was intact.

>>34451086
go out more
the summer I spent only with family members I started to feel attracted to cousins and stuff
"but I went out a couple days and it's not gotten better"
I mean go out more as a habit but also talk to people when you go outside, of course if you go outside to stand in a corner and not socialize you're going to go back to your home to feel like the right place for you and the safe choice and reinforce your idea of the members living there being the best choice

>>34454489
Nta but don't go giving up on yourself or your shot at functional healthy relationships with women. You can get to a point where you can have that. And it's gonna feel weird and uncomfortable at first since it's unfamiliar and doesn't match what you had been conditioned with, but once it becomes your new normal you're out of the cycle bro. You start to prefer the new way of relating to women over the old. And the new way is to lead them as a man, you lead they follow. Not in a domineering abusive way not in a woman hating way, but out of care for them and leading them to prosperity and stability and security. Instead of appeasing or placating or emotionally submitting or being servant to the woman you stabilise, strengthen and lead the woman. Not through words or pampering, but through decisive actions and power of will. That's what masculinity, husbandry and fatherhood is all about.

Make sure to collect as many male role models as you can and embody them, mimick them, internalize them and become them. Make sure they're good role models, wise and strong ones.

>>34454460
>Good news is it can be reversed and growth continued. But the fucked thing is, there's nothing to avenge and no satisfying accountability from the women (mothers) who do this. Because they genuinely do this unconsciously and out of instinct. There's no wicked witch of the east to hunt, no evil queen mother, just a scared girl in the body of a woman. It's kinda sad actually.

Yeah, that's the thing. How mad at her can I really be? When I first realized how detrimental that was to my upbringing, I was fucking pissed. I wanted to make her realize how much she fucked me up. "Maybe the reason I can't handle life is you." But if I really told her all of this, she'd probably actually kill herself. I know that it wasn't her goal to damage me. The only logical place to look for relief is within. Remains to be seen whether or not it's possible for me.

I've got to say, being on the receiving end of this dynamic shows you first hand how important a healthy family system is. Mom and dad.

>you're a very good writer by the way

I really don't feel like I am, but thanks. made my day.

>>34454556
>I wanted to make her realize how much she fucked me up. "Maybe the reason I can't handle life is you." But if I really told her all of this, she'd probably actually kill herself

Good thing you didn't, yeah. Cuz she probably never intended to become the mother she became. Time probably was when she was pregnant with you and your dad was by her side, she probably swore oath to any deity in the sky that she was going to be a good mom and to not repeat whatever she grew up with. Her worst fear is probably to hear the words: "You are a failure of a mother". Would it send her to suicide? Maybe maybe not but it would psychologically have the same effect probably.

>The only logical place to look for relief is within. Remains to be seen whether or not it's possible for me.
That's the first place I tried to look myself. It was a dead end. Because truth was that's where I'd always dwelled anyway to cope with life growing up, in my own head non stop. Trying to do more of the same just kept me stuck. And also it was just a feminine goal I learned from being mothered too much. Not that it's a bad thing for a man to go within (after all, every man is 50% his mom and 50% his dad). But going within is the mom-method of problem solving. A man should know how to do it, but there's a missing skill only a father can teach: "Go without". It's father who cuts the umbilical coord to make sure the baby goes without the coord tying it to mom. It's fathers who deliberately cut away the codependent bond to separate son from mom as he matures to make sure he becomes his own individual man, and also to prevent mom from emotionally devouring him. The man can do both go within & go without (men need to do the mom strat of going within to assist nurturing a baby, also comforting a hormonal mom). But he must go without too. That means going outside his own mind, and into reality. Aka using his body more. Fishing hunting smithing climbing adventuring building etc That's what fixed me

>>34454509
>And it's gonna feel weird and uncomfortable at first since it's unfamiliar and doesn't match what you had been conditioned with, but once it becomes your new normal you're out of the cycle bro

This is a key point for me. I feel like I'm setup to either get fucked over and used or I'll just fumble because I'm weird. I've literally never seen a healthy relationship in real life, so to a degree it would have to come through trial and error. I know I need to say fuck it and do something, though.

>Make sure to collect as many male role models as you can and embody them, mimick them, internalize them and become them. Make sure they're good role models, wise and strong ones.

This makes sense to me. They'd have to come from some stupid places though, like TV and books and shit, because that's really all I've got.

It's funny, but I'm just now realizing that most of my favorite stories are about finding love, in one way or another. I don't know why I never thought this was strange when I've always considered myself to be romantically dead.

>>34454607
Going into reality is tough for me. Unfortunately I've got pretty bad OCD which means rumination is usually envelop everything else at any given moment. I know you're probably right, though. I'd say my subconscious is how I primarily interact with reality and my thinking mind is constantly occupied with what's internal. Clearly not working

I like the psychoanalystic (?) symbolism that you've been using, I haven't thought about this stuff like that before. Ty for the advice bros, I do think it helped.

>>34454678
Hell yeah it's tough. It's brutal especially if you had no father figure at the helm to show you how it's done. Male role models can fill the gap. And you just play it smart, go into reality bits at a time. Retreat into your mind when you need to rest. Rinse and repeat until slowly you start thinking less with mind, more with instinct. You won't go dumber or lose intellect. It's just a matter of accepting there's a time and a place to think. OCD will of course make that harder, but the treatment for it anyway in therapy is to allow the thoughts and then discard them as merely that - thoughts.
It's hard as fuck I won't lie to you there's no sugar coating it. You have to face regret shame guilt disgrace pain suffering and emptiness all at once like you're surrounded by enemies. So you just kill em one at a time. Go into reality, get busy with your instinct and body, then go back to rest. Bit by bit like building a muscle. You got this man, you will get there. Everything is process, the processes that bring us low is evidence it can be traversed backwards, process is a door with two sides. Never tell yourself you are stuck and it will be so, you won't be stuck

>>34454316
>stop hating your dad
I'm not OP, but I am one of the guys who has been posting in this thread who has this problem. I love my dad.

>>34454085
I'm white over 6 feet and skinny. Although I don't see any of the behaviors indicating not being a fatty. I think fat people could have this behavior in their family as well. We just associate sexy stories with sexy people.

>>34454296
We don't have enough outside interaction and we have naughty mommies.

>>34455516
do you find this hot?
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>>34455521
Not really but I think it's part because the translation is rough.

>>34455543
right the prose are poor, but the story is about a mom consistently exposing her body to her son. The dad takes all the pics in public and at home. There is even a few pics of the mom sleeping naked in front of the boy

I think this boy will grow and and realize what was going on. Unless his mom is really good at acting like a retarded farmer

>>34451086
>How can I stop being attracted to my mom?
Root chakra blockage. Spiritual healing can help you become more aware of the exact source od your blockages. My advice is to cut out all drugs and alcohol, including caffeine, and meditate. Listen to some root chakra frequencies. I was obsessed with my sister forever (still am) and it fucked up my whole life. Healing your lower chakras can open up so much inner energy and completely changes the way you experience the world.

>>34455858
>still am
Sounds like this chakra stuff doesn't work.

>>34451086
You're not attracted to your mother. The human body has a mechanism specifically to prevent that.
You're just a gooner that gets off on breaking sexual taboos. The solution is just to stop gooning. To stop gooning simply stop using any social media and tell your parents whenever you goon. I have started confessing to my parents whenever I goon and it has helped me cut down on it a lot.