How does one become attracted to older women? I am nearly 30 and still find 18-21 year old girls very attractive, issue is, especially today, i cant date or sleep with any of them. Not only that it just feels gross to me going for someone who is nearly if not 10 years younger than me. But the taboo of it turns me on a lot. Problem is, the 25+ age group, which would be more possible and appropriate for me, i dont find attractive and furthermore have tried everything already. By that age, a woman has done everyone. Shes had all her firsts, she knows the ins and outs of every relationship, i havent date much, at all, and i know the average woman at that age absolutely has. The ability to love has been crushed under toxic relationships, single motherhood, situationships, and one night stands and now i am left with the recovery. I would like to avoid that but i also would like to not have to go after younger girls because it makes me feel gross and i would have a significantly lower success rate with them than i would with older women. I dont want to be single for the rest of my life but it just feels like its a lose-lose situation. I go for younger girls, i lose, i go for older, i lose. I stay alone, i lose.
>>34451907it never goes away, stupid. You'll be jerking it to tweens when you're 80.Healthy men are wired that way, othwewise you're a faggot or a sex pest creep
>>34451907>I am nearly 30 and still find 18-21 year old girls very attractiveSo does every man with a pulse OP, what's your point?It doesn't mean we all act on it, and it definitely doesn't mean we obsess over it.The rest of your post is just the usual rambling "but muh pair bonding" incel shit and not worth responding to.
>>34451916>tweensnah, teens, like legal teens to young adults. Its just a problem to me because i am attracted to basically what i cant get and have no business demanding either. The older i get the stronger the urge is to sleep with and date a girl that age. Maybe when im older the age will move but i fear even when these girls are 25 and im 40 they still will find some way to suck even more than the 25 year olds today. I just want to look at a woman i can get the same way i look at girls that age.
>>34451925>The rest of your post is just the usual rambling "but muh pair bonding" incel shit and not worth responding to.less muh pair bonding and more that when ive tried dating older women it really does feel like im cleaning up for her exs bullshit from when she was younger or being asked to take on responsibilities for shit she did
>>34451925>So does every man with a pulse OP, what's your point?My point also is that i have fantasies and attractions to them that i can never fulfill, it will always exist as a fantasy and that bothers me a lot. But there is factors outside of my control that prevent me from being able to achieve those fantasies. If i could change the fantasy, i could live a more fulfilled life for everyone involved
usually they trick you with feminine wilesit's harder to be immediately attracted from across the street but women after 25 have usually learned the vampire gaze and a bag of tricks/flatteries and if one decides she likes you she can probably make you lose your inhibitions
>>34451960I find hags pretty attractive, but that's because they are moms. Moms are more attractive than childless women but you have to get them to be a mom first and that means you're running out of time.
>>34451933Sounds like you need to date better quality women then. And it's not an age thing. You really think there aren't a lot of younger women who are equally bossy/demanding/damaged?
>>34451966>omen after 25 have usually learned the vampire gaze and a bag of tricks/flatteries and if one decides she likes you she can probably make you lose your inhibitionsI hope so, usually i just feel like most see me as a loser or someone to fix them at best. It also feels like, even for me, that as far as relationships go unless i want kids the fun times are already written and the whole dynamic is significantly more serious >>34451990>You really think there aren't a lot of younger women who are equally bossy/demanding/damaged?Oh no, there are, in fact i think the younger generation is worse with that than basically any generation of women so far. The issue is i am physically attracted to younger women, i see myself having more of a future with them(despite their terrible attitudes), and am turned on by the taboo nature of fucking someone who is younger than me, even though i said i find it gross, it is kinda hot. I just also know they are not the same as we were at their age, and with tiktok and everything they are far more man hating and squirmy about age ranges or anything that can be an "ick" or redflag.
>>34451980Any woman i meet at my age is either going to be a mom(which i dont want to do for various reasons) or childless and childless for a very good reason. A fantasy ive had for a while is getting a younger woman pregnant and raising a family with her, just having a bunch of kids with her. But in todays day and age this isnt possible and it annoys me.
>>34451907Despite what the Internet tells you, a vast majority of women are nothing special, whether they're 18 or 27.
>>34452066Oh i know, its just younger women to me are more attractive at this point in my life. I also have a fantasy about a girl having her firsts with me. Its an incel fantasy, despite the fact im not a virgin, but my first time wasnt good, and it caused me to really fantasize about being a girls first, making her time good, doing to her what i wish was done to me, and eventually falling in love with her, if we werent already by the time we had sex. I hate being compared to anyone, and i hate having to re-convince a woman to try something just because it went bad for her once. I want things to be fun, full of emotion, not just some chore she feels she needs to do to keep me around. I have been devalued a lot in life, i want to be seen as valuable for once, with a girl im attracted to. Issue is what i am attracted to isnt accept and im going to get massive social pushback for it. I am told i have to just accept it will never happen, and that i will forever be a number.
>>34452015I can relate with everything because I'm also turning 30 with a mid-life crisis. I just find older women more attractive. Older women or younger women finding a mentally stable one is just as delusional regardless so age isn't as relevant as you think.
>>34452097Fair, at this point though i know what i want physically, and its a teen. I stutter over my words when i speak to them, i can feel the arousal towards them just from speaking to them, but their personalities are terrible, and like you said trying to find a mentally stable one regardless of age is extremely difficult. Older women are better on the maturity side for the most part, they beat younger women on that but the attraction i have over a young woman makes me wish i could be with one. Thing is, as another poster said, if an older woman found me attractive i would probably fold for her about as hard just because ive never had that
>>34451907You're making the same mistakes that got you into this situation. You need to get out of your head, and spend more time in the real world. You make all these generalizations but they are just you hamster wheeling in your mind. You don't even know how old people are. These days there are 20 year olds that look 35 and vice versa. You don't know what it's like to be relationships with various kinds of women, you are just assuming. You're not going to learn by thinking and reading. You have to go outside and experience. Women are much more attractive when they are physically in front of you and especially if they are flirting with you. Even women you'd never find attractive even if you got to know them are nice practice or a self-esteem boost. Just feeling that estrogen-laced affection, listening to their feminine voice paying attention to you, in real time makes your body react and gives you a more practical and expanded perspective. Just go outside and let nature takes it's course.
>>34452155I get what you are saying and it would be accurate if this was a post I made at 21 but at 29 it's not. I put myself out there, I worked in numerous bars and clubs, I went to similar, I went to various social gatherings and tried everything to network myself out. I met many women, some I became friends with, but clearly none wanted to be with me. The perspective I have is from lived experience. It's not from the internet it just happens that the internet seemed to be right about women in general.>Just feeling that estrogen-laced affection, listening to their feminine voice paying attention to you, in real time makes your body react and gives you a more practical and expanded perspectiveAffection? You think we are getting affection here? Or attraction? To me I have to use every trick in the book to make that work. The only perspective I got from talking to women is make sure there's a power imbalance, make sure she doesn't really have anyone to compare you to, and find girls with less options(as in younger women because most guys are afraid to go after them due to pedo accusations)>Just go outside and let nature takes it's course.The only nature that took course in my decade of going outside and putting myself out there is natural selection in the most brutal sense
>>34451907>How does one become attracted to older women? I am nearly 30 and still find 18-21 year old girls very attractive, issue is, especially today, i cant date or sleep with any of them. Not only that it just feels gross to me going for someone who is nearly if not 10 years younger than me. But the taboo of it turns me on a lot. Problem is, the 25+ age group, which would be more possible and appropriate for me, i dont find attractive and furthermore have tried everything already. By that age, a woman has done everyone. Shes had all her firsts, she knows the ins and outs of every relationship, i havent date much, at all, and i know the average woman at that age absolutely has. The ability to love has been crushed under toxic relationships, single motherhood, situationships, and one night stands and now i am left with the recovery.if you dont look like an old man literally just date younger girls, theres nothing wrong with it>By that age, a woman has done everyone. Shes had all her firsts, she knows the ins and outs of every relationship, i havent date much, at all, and i know the average woman at that age absolutely has.very relateable feeling, imo just do as you want, nobody can forbid it to you, you are shaming yourself. you shame older girls as whores but you are also not wanting to be shamed yourself, you should maybe start taking some responsibility on your own for once
>>34452221>if you dont look like an old man literally just date younger girls, theres nothing wrong with itCompared to these girls i absolutely do look like an old man. Thats what grosses me out about it but also turns me on. It feels very taboo, when it shouldnt be, and the more society made it taboo the more it makes me want to really value a woman that age. I get to sleep with what others dont. I get a woman before her enthusiasm burns up and im left with someone who views sex as a chore at best >very relateable feeling, imo just do as you want, nobody can forbid it to you, you are shaming yourself. you shame older girls as whores but you are also not wanting to be shamed yourself, you should maybe start taking some responsibility on your own for onceI can do what i want but i will get rejected a whole bunch. Im not really shaming myself as much as i am understanding the dynamic and the things going against me. Theres a lot going against me actually. And i feel like holding on to these loser fantasies does more harm than good. Im not going to have some beautiful relationship like ive wanted since i was a kid, or even a good one night stand. Its tough accepting that and knowing the lack of control you have over it. I havent tried dating since i was 25 and i swear it never gets easier.
>>34452257>I can do what i want but i will get rejected a whole bunchyou will get rejected from older girls too lolno you are clearly shaming the idea or dynamic whatever you want to call it. so either you stop or might aswell not even try>Its tough accepting that and knowing the lack of control you have over it. I havent tried dating since i was 25 and i swear it never gets easier.sounds more like you shame yourself as a cope to not try bc as you already say you think you wont be able to do it bc you are an incel, which can be absolutely the case, but it has nothing to do with the idea that its impossible, maybe it is for (you) but certainly not for good ol chad
What are you doing to make you yourself appealing? nothing? If women your own age don't like you what make you think a younger woman will?
>>34452313>you will get rejected from older girls too looAgreed but i will get rejected in a way where im not being seen as a creep or a pedo, its different and i should have phrased it better >no you are clearly shaming the idea or dynamic whatever you want to call it. so either you stop or might aswell not even tryI guess i am, i just see it out of my control. If i stopped giving a fuck though im sure my chances of getting what i want would go up funny enough. Im creepy because i make it creepy. >>34452333>What are you doing to make you yourself appealing? nothing? If women your own age don't like you what make you think a younger woman will?Im not trying to make myself appealing, im trying to get rid of annoying fantasies that lower my standard of living. I am trying to get rid of expectations that cant be reached by me, but giving up is hard. In nearly five years of giving up i havent fully been able to do it because on paper i shouldnt be that bad but i am, and i cant change that, so i should learn to live alone.
>>34451907Watch feminist media continuously and hit your nuts with a hammer as you do
>>34452366Do you have some debilitating disease or something? I highly doubt anything more than losing weight will do the trick for you. Even being extremely skinny isn't that bad unless you don't shower.
>>34452380Fuck if i know man, all i know is i put myself out there from 16-25, got basically no where(closest i came to a relationship was one that lasted 2 weeks in high school). I have some theories but eventually it got to the point where now im too far gone, ive dehumanized myself to the point of very difficult return. Now i just have to get rid of the fantasies which leave me depressed.
When they open their mouths and you realize a 18-21 yr old is somehow more stupid than whatever you imagined. Brain's not developed till 25.>The ability to love has been crushed under toxic relationships, single motherhood, situationships, and one night stands and now i am left with the recovery.You'll be the one getting the younger woman to being that horrible for the next guy.
>>34452411kys retard
>>34452411I'm purely attracted to their looks and to the prospect of being firsts for them and possibly higher loyalty because of that. I agree personality wise they are some of the angriest and anti social generation of women so far.
