>>34454933
That's just women. The thing you gained is valuable experience.

>>34454933
What were her cliche reasons? And what arguments if any did you two have months before the breakup?

>>34454933
>Boohoo I chose the wrong partner because I'm a dumbass, I couldn't even figure what she wanted out of me, now it's all over even though I already know how to get my dick wet, better kms
You can't fix shit.

>>34454935
I dont think so. If I were to have a relationship today I dont know what Im supposed to do differently as to avoid the same result. I have a job, I earn above average, Im in really good shape (my gf complimented me constantly), I do sports, Im fairly smart and hold a BS in Engineering. I've seen men with less having 8+ years relationships with no issues.
My self confidence is kind of pulverized. I think im just boring and thats something I dont know how to change. And even so, how is being a bit boring so bad youre willing to end a loving relationship? Things cannot be exciting 24/7, are women really like this?
>>34454937
We literally never argued, not in any serious capacity anyways. At the end of our relationship she was acting colder than usual, I was understanding and gave her space and still treated her with all my love without insisting too much.
The reasons were things like she needs her own space for a while, I did nothing wrong, she didnt feel comfortable anymore, im an amazing man but she just doesn't feel the same, etc.
Im beyond frustrated.

>>34454952
>I couldn't even figure what she wanted out of me,
Do women really? If I was in her position and I thought she was lacking something/doing something so wrong I was considering ending the relationship, I'd have told her in the spot as to fix things because I love her a lot, and I understand things need to be communicated.

>>34454958
Clearly you didn't communicate enough to ask her what she wanted out of you. Why would she ask? She can have any man she sets her eyes on, so long that she's not 30. You thought women are looking for CVs? a cabin in the woods? owning a yacht? Women want none of that.

>>34454965
>Women want none of that.
What do they want

>>34454954
>We literally never argued, not in any serious capacity anyways
Ah. That might have been a contributing factor. But remember it's not 100% your fault, it's 50% hers and 50% yours.
I've got a lot of exp with women under my belt I am older married dude. But shit how do I say this.

Women love to argue. It's true, they do. If you as a man refuse to argue with her, if you don't put your foot down and bite back, the woman is not only bored, she feels like the man doesn't have feelings for her. Because she understands if a man is angry because of her it means it's because he cares about her. Think about it: A calm and serene man is a man who doesn't particularly feel bothered by anything. And if he isn't feeling bothered by the relationship or her (or at least refuses to show her that he is) then she is going to assume the guy doesn't care.

I know that sounds backwards like it's the opposite of "good" but to a woman it is good. But the problem a lot of guys have us they assume the woman wants abuse, or wants beat, or wants something resembling toxicity. It's not that either. (Though some mentally ill BPD types want that).

What women want is whenever she has a complaint or an argument, the man needs to tell her "No." "That's final." "I'll take your concern on board, but we're doing this my way." The woman starts an argument but the man should finish them. Show a bit of assertiveness but without abuse. "No way in Hell are we doing that. I don't care what you read online, dear, over my dead body are we going to do (dumb woman moment idea)."

That sort of thing. Also a loving side is needed, so a time to apologise to one a other and a time to find a solution together or a compromise if things go bad. Listening to one another. She should respect the man and listen to what he thinks. And the man should care for his woman and listen to how she feels.

This isnt 100% your fault. She was probably immature and couldn't communicate and expected you to be psychic.

>>34454965
>Clearly you didn't communicate enough to ask her what she wanted out of you.

Never do this. Never ever fucking do this. Women hate if you ask, and they hate having to ask. "Ask" is the pussy drier to a woman and a heart killer and a mind number. Women despise it if a man has to ask what she wants because to her that says "He never bothered to notice what I want. He isn't paying attention. He doesn't care to notice without needing to ask."

>>34454997
This is child tier thinking. What the fuck.

>>34454989
>Women love to argue. It's true, they do
This thread is turning me into a misogynist. I feel for OP

>>34455009
>This is child tier thinking. What the fuck.
Because it is. Welcome to women, man. You have to forgive them for it. But they are child tier in their thinking. Very much so. Did you think it was a coincidence that all women obsess over being tiny and "cute"? Women have more in common with children than they do with adults. And the reason for that is because they have to be, because that way they are very good at anticipating the needs of a child if she can think like one. It makes for good motherhood.

How a woman thinks is juvenile. How they feel though, their emotional depths, that's a different story. That's where a woman "lives". Yknow how us men when we think, we identify as the thinker? We have a sense that we live inside our own thoughts? Yeah women don't do that. What they do is they identify as their own feelings instead. So whatever woman thinks is irrelevant and the woman doesn't even want you focusing on her thoughts. She knows her thoughts are just farts. She wants the man to focus on her feelings.

I broke up with my girlfriend because I was tired of the constant bullshit drama should would invent to bully the younger cat. I also hated how loud she was and didn't like how she cheated on her homework using AI. I told her constantly to stop and to improve herself. I lost control and grabbed by her hair in a mean way. At times I would imagine beating her. I knew that she had no clue the breakup was coming. I even tried to encourage her to start saving money, for emergencies, because I was going to stop supporting her soon. I kept thinking how can I pre-breakup with her so she can be prepared.

>>34455016
>This thread is turning me into a misogynist. I feel for OP
Lol. I feel you but it's actually liberating once you figure out how women are. You stop being angry for what they think, you stop shitting yourself over whatever fleeting thought they have, you stop taking it seriously and you don't have to worry about your ego taking hits. You just stop fearing what women think about you and when a woman detects that you stopped doing that, their panties very much become drenched. And they turn into H20 panties the minute they can see that the man is not only finally understanding the "assignment" (prioritising taking her feels seriously not her thoughts) but if he also keeps his own ambitions and willpower #1 priority and keeps her as #2, her ovaries explode. And the best part of it all is, a man does not need to be a rizz master or a macho man to do this. He just needs to focus on his goals and reassure her that she is part of those goals, but she is not the main goal. Women when they're young want to be the main goal, when they're teens and immature. But they quickly realise they hate that, because the weight of the man's expectations starts to crush her self esteem if he becomes overly dependent on her.

>>34454933
there is probably a reason she doesn't love you anymore, it's never at random and it's never without some warning signs
you just weren't aware.
also you were probably dumb or poor or toxic to a point she felt you would never change. you're not mentioning those at random, I'm pretty sure

>>34455117
>or poor
When a woman says this, men read it as "Gold digger". And men hate those. Unless you mean driven/ambitious, then yeah women don't like men who don't try to make something of himself professionally.

>>34455173
>Adding onto my post for guys reading
For anyone who wants it filter out gold diggers frame 1, always make sure you choose a cheap non expensive locale for the first date. Like a walk in the park, or sight seeing a free exhibition or natural landmark. At the very most a coffee and a cheap sandwich. Always tell her that's where you're going before the date is set. Gauge how she reacts and if she puts up attitude, drop her.

>>34455173
I wouldn't consider a girl that has tasted what is living in a middle class household or better even for a while as a gold digger for not accepting living in squalor
And some dudes will never get over their poverty no matter how driven or ambitious they are
I wouldn't accept it either. And I've never considered myself money driven but there is a baseline.

>>34455211
You wouldn't accept it because you're a man and you are ambitious and driven, the woman is not. Women want security, financial security is important to a woman but it's not as important as the other top signifiers of security. What good is a middle class or upper class husband if all he does is get pickled and drunk? What good is he if he just fucks prostitutes behind her back? Or spends hours with porn? Or if he has a very childish temper and likes to throw his fists around? A woman's thinking is this: "Will I be safe with him?" and if she isn't drugged up with SSRIs and birth control "Will our children be safe with him?"

I know this is fact because I'm lower class, working class. I've dated out of my class league, middle class, and two upper classes, one who lived in a mansion the other a daughter of a famous international business. Neither of them took issue with my financial status and in fact my low financial/class standing was what drew them in. Some Aladdin complex shit. Women bored with their rich and comfy lifestyles curious to see how the other side of the fence looked. Mansion girl I dumped, she was genuinely not right in the head. Business girl it couldn't go anywhere, she had to move countries.

>>34454954
>We literally never argued
>I was understanding and gave her space
she was bored. if you argued daily she would have stayed. only alternative is to have a child with her to keep her busy

>>34455245
you're portraying a worst case scenario middle class husband to defend living with an average well behaved poor dude bro, get a grip
all things being equal, you know who you would choose, you know who would they choose

>>34454933
You need to read people better. You need to have woman who is obsessed with not getting dumped herself and wouldn't even considered dumping you.

>>34455245
now that's the thing, americans go to africa and southeast asia to see how the super poor live because it's interesting, and fun. but they know they can go back to their comfy lifestyles afterwards.
trap one there. tell them they can no longer go back to america and see how they change their tune immediately
I've dated richer girls and I've dated girls from richer countries and everything was right until I asked them to move with me
they always assumed I was going to be the one to move with them and take care of the sinking ship that was his father store chain, I wasn't, my family wealth is more discrete but more secure and steadily growing
anyways, you can entice a rich girl into being with a poor dude for the novelty of it for a while but marrying her is another matter entirely
are there exceptions? of course, but they don't make the rule
for poor girls it's even easier, you pamper one a couple months and even if you dump her back into her favela you know she's coming back to you, once she sees what is it like living without a single debt you don't go back

>>34455272
>you're portraying a worst case scenario middle class husband to defend living with an average well behaved poor dude bro, get a grip
No what I am saying is security in money is not the type of security that can help a woman in the relationship. Benjamin Franklin cannot defend her against an abusive man nor keep her kids protected against a home invader. I portrayed worst case scenarios in the middle class husband to show you that the worst case can happen anywhere. In the lower classes, in the middle and in the upper. The woman focuses on the man's temperament, and that means she will only want to know if he has ambition or drive. The only type of woman who cares for the bank balance over the temperament is the woman who doesn't love you, she only loves your money. Those types of women are to be avoided, money cannot buy you a happy marriage.

>All things being equal
And that's the wrong assumption, they're not. Because men and women are not equal, not in physicality, not in hormones, not equal in psychology, and we're not equal in our respective priorities. Moral equals in a altruist goody goody sense? Sure. But as far as reality is concerned we're speaking a different wavelength to women. Because men are men and women are women.

>>34455284
>trap one there. tell them they can no longer go back to america and see how they change their tune immediately
Oh, now that's a good point. I'll chew on that thought for a bit.

>I've dated richer girls and I've dated girls from richer countries and everything was right until I asked them to move with me
Geographical distance might be the deciding factor here and not wealth disparity. I've seen cross-country relationships/marriages play out. From what I can tell, the woman will be thinking:
>Whose family can I rely on if or when I am vulnerable (pregnant)?
If the woman knows she hates her own family, she's going to the guy. If she knows the guy's family is dysfunctional, she's gonna try to pluck him away and take him to her country.

>>34455290
all things being equal between male suitors bro, not between male and female
two decent well behaved and socially well adjusted dudes, one poor and the other middle class
you know who they'd choose.

>>34455321
This is the equivalent of that one hypothetical guys ask:
>Bro your GF has a clone. Both the same body same face same personality everything. Your GF has a B cup. The doppelganger clone? DDs. You know who you'd choose.

Lol okay I'll earnestly answer it but in adding in my own factor to the mix. The woman's class status.

If the middle class girl is choosing between poor class or middle class. She's picking the poor class guy every single time.
If it's the poor class girl, she's picking middle class guy every single day.

Middle class girl has a middle class father. She has an ATM in her dad already. Couple that with novelty seeking and attraction towards what she would feel is her "other half" (opposite), she's picking poor class guy.

And the poor class girl is picking the middle class guy. Her father is broke, and her childhood one of shabby dresses and plain scuffed heels, she's going for middle class guy.

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>>34455016
>This thread is turning me into a misogynist.
Anon, you are lurking on a board filled with men and boys here to argue about ANYTHING and EVERYTHING.

>>34455332
>If the middle class girl is choosing between poor class or middle class. She's picking the poor class guy every single time.
do you read yourself before posting bro.
a single glance at statistics will tell you this is wishful thinking

>>34455332
>>34455321
Oh and lastly about class status i'm not sure how the classes are in your neck of the woods but in mine, the working classes hate the middle class. And the upper classes hate the middle class too. And the middle class hate/love both. They are disgusted by working class but love using them to virtue signal. And they are envious of upper class yet kiss their ass and lick their heels.

The middle class women are always the ones who are screaming for mass migration for a reason

>>34455346
>Statistics
You don't actually shape your worldview on those do you?

>>34455353
statistics always reflect what I see when I go out and talk to people, something people rarely do here, so they deny statistics freely because their worldview is shaped by naysayers and contrarians here.

>>34455350
you gotta be from the UK, it's the only place where I've seen the agenda of rich people making middle and lower class enemies being such a success.

>>34454933
Probably cheated on you? Was just using you. Im sorry op.

>>34455367
I deny statistics because I'm aware that they scope of reality cannot be captured in a number %. Statistics can only show you what happened/is happening, they can never show you why it happens. I only care for the "why" of matters, not so much the "what". Because if you miss out on why these things happen, you won't actually know how to apply foresight. If I know why something is the way it is, I can accurately predict what's happening next. And that's how I managed to stay out of bullshit most my life. Also, statistics can be bought and sold. It never occurred to you that staticians are hungry people too who also like money? And special interests can rig them easily and you'd be none the wiser?

>>34455369
It's not only UK it's numerous western nations. The reason is simple. Working class want to move up the ladder, they can't because middle class' fat ass is in the way. And upper classes want to retain the wealth, but the middle class keep nipping at their heels. And the working class would very much like to just work under the upper classes for direct labour. But the middle class keep inventing bullshit vocations and jobs and playing middle man and blocking the way forward for the working classes below, while slowing down profiteering for the upper classes above.

>>34455380
>>34455369
What I'm saying is the middle class is basically HR department of classes. And everyone hates em bro. I don't make the rules just telling you how it is.

The only girl Ive ever dated pulled similar shit and broke up with me because I had suicide ideation. Ive learned my lesson and now im better off alone.
>>34455369
Yeah its really weird hearing brits talk about class. Im from a well off family in the US but I've gotten along with rich wasps and white trash just fine.

>>34455380
>It's not only UK it's numerous western nations. The reason is simple. Working class want to move up the ladder, they can't because middle class' fat ass is in the way. And upper classes want to retain the wealth, but the middle class keep nipping at their heels. And the working class would very much like to just work under the upper classes for direct labour. But the middle class keep inventing bullshit vocations and jobs and playing middle man and blocking the way forward for the working classes below, while slowing down profiteering for the upper classes above.
this was a funny read. May I ask how old are you?
>I only care for the "why" of matters, not so much the "what".
that's all well and good but that didn't deny my point. the "a middle class girl will go for a poor dude every single time" sound like an exaggeration even for hustle life scammers who try to sell you that you can bang a millionaire heiress if you pay for their course, you gotta be kidding if you actually believe that
I'm starting to believe that you're making this all up and you don't actually leave your room. Do girls from a middle class backgrounds go for poor dudes from time to time? sure. the same way I bang poor girls from time to time, if the person is nice why not
does it happen all the time and do they reject middle class guys every single time if a poor dude is there? not even close, not even close enough to say "every single time" was a literary license.
Again, go out more, see for yourself, this just doesn't happen at all.

>>34455387
worst part is they think everyone should adhere to their weird idea of class and their fantasies about poor people working directly for rich people fixing things up and stuff, it's all very childish

>>34455388
>"a middle class girl will go for a poor dude every single time" sound like an exaggeration even for hustle life scammers who try to sell you that you can bang a millionaire heiress if you pay for their course, you gotta be kidding if you actually believe that

I believe it because I've lived it and seen it happen so many times throughout my life. Remember I'm not a statistic thinker, I only rely on my lived experiences to inform me.

>I'm starting to believe that you're making this all up and you don't actually leave your room.
Would you prefer if we compare dicks and size up our portfolios of how many women we've been with respectively? Or would you refuse that in favour of number crunching and statistics data?

>does it happen all the time and do they reject middle class guys every single time if a poor dude is there? not even close, not even close enough to say "every single time" was a literary license.
What does it matter if I used literary licence? Did you forget you posed to me a hypothetical involving a woman choosing between two suitors who both had the exact same personality and/temperament? And you're ruffled because I didn't treat your unrealistic hypothetical realistically in my response?

>>34455390
>worst part is they think everyone should adhere to their weird idea of class and their fantasies about poor people working directly for rich people fixing things up and stuff, it's all very childish
It's the middle classes who deal in class fantasy. Every single cartoonist or satirist or class propagandist is typically some spectacled middle class guy with too much time on his hands. And every time the middle class fantasist assumes the role of a social justice type, saviour of the poor working class morons below him lol

>>34455404
you did not tell me how old are you
all your opinions sound very young and naive
you being a decent poor dude who can get rich girls wet from time to time doesn't deny that that is not a common occurence
it's as if I said "every guy from my country is left handed" because me and a couple of my friends are left handed
that's just stupid, your personal experience is one thing but your personal experience doesn't deny reality, your statement sounded like you tried to extrapolate a single weird outlier experience and make it the common denominator, that doesn't work like that
same about your class opinions, very childish and informed on very little experience.
I'd tell you to read more as most people gain knowledge from reading but you seem to deny reality and only rely on your weird personal life experiences to judge the world
see, this is the kind of bullshit we have to put up all the time when dealing with poor people, do you think someone rich would care to explain this all to you in detail? you'd be fired and replaced in a blink without receiving any payment
it's funny you think rich people would even spoke to you guys, much less hire you directly, you're all so deluded and maybe because you have so little education have your own idiosyncratic ideas about the world, people get paid to deal with that shit.

>>34455512
>I'd tell you to read more as most people gain knowledge from reading but you seem to deny reality and only rely on your weird personal life experiences to judge the world

Books are written by people who actually had a life and lived it. Books are someone else's "weird personal life experiences" on page. If you can't understand that then you need to rethink a few things. Example: A man can read 1,000 books about tree felling or rock climbing. But it won't matter, because unless he has actually done that through experience the man has the knowledge of someone who reads zero books. Experience is the primary font of knowledge. If this were not true, you'd have no books to read. Because those who lived an experience had lived it and then wrote their books. Not the other way around.

>do you think someone rich would care to explain this all to you in detail? you'd be fired and replaced in a blink without receiving any payment
The rich person wouldn't be a smug one pretentious to begin with. We'd just get on with life. Working classes have a reason to get up out of bed, to avoid poverty. Upper classes have a reason, to maintain their financial empires. Middle classes? Who fucking knows. Probably to read books all day

>>34455512
>>34456474
And if you walk away thinking middle classes aren't the ones obsessed with class, hit ctrl + f to search the thread. Search the word "class". Then tell me who brought up class in the first place.

Anyway thread got derailed, the point I am trying to convey is a woman is a woman is a woman. Class doesn't change 300+ thousand years worth of sex psychology out of the female just because humans formed a middling class in the past 3 centuries.