>>34456753
>One scenario is that she grows up and "just" become a slut
I've had this worry about having a daughter

>>34456758
>I've had this worry about having a daughter

It is not even that bad of a scenario. What if she became addicted to drugs and sold herself to support her habit?

>>34456753
Blah blah blah you are all too weak to be fathers. Spare the next generation plz. Don't breed.

>>34456753
You didn't need to shoehorn a random video game into your autistic gibberish but I guess it does somehow make it even more autsitic in an almost transcendental way. You could be the next lolcow at this rate.

>>34456753
You won't be fighting intergalactic space aliens, no. What the fuck are you talking about?

>>34456753
The only people who feel that the idea that fathers can be protective and loving and caring for their own children are those who have daddy issues. They had a shit time with their own dad, and they project that onto everyone else and they assume "all fathers are thus" or "all men cannot be so"

I have sympathy for those who had bad childhoods, I do, I had one too. But holy fucking shit they need to stop projecting their gay little trauma onto the rest of the world. Not every man loves alcohol over his own children. I'm a father myself and when I was told me and my wife were having a daughter during the screening, my heart wanted to jump out of my chest I was so happy and proud and I still am. Because I never had a very good childhood myself and I healed and grew and matured and stopped identifying as a victim and now I am excited to give to my kid a fun and memorable childhood, an innocent one.

These retards who see the shadow of their own childhood woes in an innocent videogame are delusional as shit. And that's okay because everyone can fall for delusion in life. What isn't okay is choosing for remain in delusion.

>>34457112
>That fathers can't be protective*

>>34456753
>Is fatherhood really that great that this new game makes it out to be?
I haven't played the game, but based on your description - no. Most people I know who have had children will admit, at least occasionally, that they wish they hadn't. It's *brutal*. Your life will never be your own again. You have no privacy, no sleep, no money, no time, no energy. Children are mind-control parasites: you have no choice but to love them and service them, but you often wish you didn't have to.

>>34457134
>Most people I know who have had children will admit, at least occasionally, that they wish they hadn't.
Not all of them will admit it, some don't take their own feelings seriously because they know it's just a stressful day. I wouldn't say I wished I hadn't had my child though. I think parents who say this don't actually mean that either. Once they get a good night's sleep and a full meal they're back to idolising their kid lol.

Are kids stressful as shit? Absolutely, no doubt about it. It's the hardest responsibility I've ever taken on as a man and I suspect there will be none more difficult than this. But I know for a fact my kid is worth the effort, even if they grow up to be difficult or annoying, I'll still not regret them. Because that core memory of seeing their face as a newborn and watching them open their eyes for the very first time is sticking with me until the grave. I felt like I was watching the entire world wrapped in a blood soaked blanket.

>>34457146
>>34457134
One thing I observed too. The good parents admit it's stressful as fuck and are honest about it. The ones who end up being abusive or neglectful are the ones who pretend it's all sunshine and rainbows whenever people ask about it.

Time to post FatherMaxxing videos
https://youtu.be/xJJsoquu70o?si=RFkAUaS-bqhpS4kI

>>34457146
I enjoyed this post anon. Can you share more of your experience of childbirth? Also how did your wife react when she saw/heard your newborn for the first time?

>>34457134
I think the people you are talking to just don't want (You) to have children

It's just angry feminazis and trannies seething about that game. Everyone else knows fatherhood is wonderful.

>>34457208
>Can you share more of your experience of childbirth? Also how did your wife react when she saw/heard your newborn for the first time?
Sure. It was absolutely terrifying, every single day leading up to it as a man you are on hypervigilant mode, anticipating and waiting for worst case scenarios that may or may not happen, and then simulating in your head how you can protect or problem solve everything, how to push back the hands of hell if they ever come reaching for your woman or your child. Panic, panic, panic. But also steel resolve to do everything you can to protect your woman's sanity and her wellbeing as well as the baby when it arrives. Childbirth is a whirlwind of worrying and constantly biting your tongue and bit showing a single sign of worry or anxiety in your eyes, turning into a stone-man for wife to rely on both mentally and emotionally because any single sign of anxiety from you will cause her to panic and cry and worry that something is wrong.

Both you and her are waiting for the baby to show itself in between pushing, and waiting and there's lots of screaming yeah but it's from wife. And your hand is getting gripped by her a she holds you for comfort, and up until that day, the wives grip strength was weak because she was a weak woman. Because women's grip strength is feeble compared to a man's.
But on that day, she will damn near break your hand with how intense her grip is and it shocks you because she's in that much pain. She's in pain and worrying the worst if baby is dead or alive. You're panicked and vigilant and forcing stoic shit to be her 'rock'. And you are both waiting for that scream from the baby. Baby comes out, attached by umbilical. Baby isn't moving or breathing or making noise. Your hearts sink together in fear and then suddenly a gasp and baby starts crying it's eyes out. And the relief dude the fucking relief and feelings when that cry drops is unreal. Wife was crying hard for joy

>>34457228
>>34457208
And the babies cry, fuck man you instantly bond mentally with the sound of it's cry. Instantly in a single instant that vocal cry isn't just any cry it's your child's cry, (your) child's cry. The voice of the one who you had spent 9 entire months thinking about when you knew you had become a dad. Every night for nine months before bed flicking through thoughts and ruminations and trying to predict who they are who will they become what type of person will they be what will they look, how will they sound.. and when you finally hear how your son or daughter sounds for the first time, it hits deep in places you didn't know existed.

Even after only hearing your kid's cry for the first time, if you were to put your child in a room of other babies, you can instantly tell which cry is your baby's among it all. And that scenario does play out (you're in a hospital full of newborn's).

>>34457112
I don’t mean to shit on you or your choices Anon, but I feel like you’re being a bit disingenuous and disrespectful when you make these sort of remarks. I do agree, we should strive to be the best version of ourselves. That being said, healing from trauma rooted in childhood is very difficult process that requires intensive intervention (from therapy, support groups, and techniques), and telling someone “Just grow the fuck up” is not very helpful (or applicable) advice. Starting a family does not necessarily heal trauma either, in fact, it could act as a trigger for survivors of abuse. Some parents end up abusing their own children out of jealously, while some become helicopter parents that treat their sons and daughters as dress-up dolls. Projecting your own childhood desires is not the only way to rectify the past nor is it the best. True fulfillment comes not only from accepting what happened, but recognizing such events as temporary and shedding our ego. Essentially, we tend to revolve our own identity (and even existence) on truths that are informed by the past. Once we deconstruct these truths and adapt new ones that elevate us, we develop a sense of clarity that allows us to perceive the world as a non-oppressive force. We recognize in ourselves the potential to try out new experiences, and in turn, develop and even pursue new goals. Most importantly, we learn to have compassion towards our our inner-child, which we have neglected for so long.

>>34456753
>Is fatherhood really that great that this new game makes it out to be?
I havent played or seen anything from this game but I have a son and daughter who are both little. Yes having kids is a huge life adjustment with a lot of sacrifice but to me its so worth it. playing dolls and having tea time with my daughter is far more fulfilling than anything else I could be doing in my life at this point.

>>34457785
Yeah and I been through all of that. And yes I understand it's a process, and during that process the traumatized individual will say and do traumatizing shit to others along the way. But it's not disingenuous for me to say what I said, and I'll tell you for why: Because even though I had a nightmare childhood, even though I may have turned down wrong paths and even hurt others as I hurt, never in a million years would I have spit on motherhood or fatherhood. It never occurred to me as a good idea or a desirable one to look at an entire gender and see the face of my mother or father in them. I understood perfectly that only my family were the freaks of the neighbourhood who had police visits more often than from what few childhood friends I had. But to spit on fatherhood or motherhood as a whole and project bad faith onto the role and publicly shame others for wanting to be good father material or mother material? That's just so delusional I can't wrap my head around it and that surprises even me seeing as I was the one who picked up more mental pathologies than Pokémon cards as a kid. Yeah the trauma healing and inner child stuff is important I went through the motions. But that doesn't make survivors of trauma special exceptions who should be protected from criticism. No one should enable that type of broken vanity, because it will only make them worse off.

>>34456753
not so subtle demotivational thread

>>34457800
>>34457785
>Continued
And also I must disagree with this part:
>True fulfillment comes not only from accepting what happened, but recognizing such events as temporary and shedding our ego. Essentially, we tend to revolve our own identity (and even existence) on truths that are informed by the past. Once we deconstruct these truths and adapt new ones that elevate us, we develop a sense of clarity that allows us to perceive the world as a non-oppressive force.

I can't say what one man's acceptance should be Vs. the other. That is not, in my humble opinion, acceptance. That sounds like a "trampoline". You heard of those? The story of the child whose father jumped from the twin towers, and he saw it on TV. The boy coped by inventing a myth, a story. When he was asked what happened, he drew a doodle of his father falling from the tower. But he drew a trampoline at the bottom, that saved him and he then goes to heaven safely.
The boy invented a myth to tell himself a beautiful lie, to blot out the ugly truth. That's what the mind does on trauma and who could blame the kid? If the kid didn't do that he'd have gone insane.

This idea of shedding ego, rejecting the past, and finding some pseudo-enlightenment happy ever after or "true fulfillment". That's a trampoline, brother. And as sweet as they are they don't exist. But that's okay because they don't need to exist because survival means you survived. The fucked up past is important because from it we can learn what to do different, and we also can use it as a marker to know how far we've come how far we have grown. It means accepting a bittersweet life, one with as much pain as there is joy. But at least that's an honest life, and if the detractors of the video game who hate fathers had an ounce of honesty, they'd not be attacking men for the 'crime' of wanting to become better men.

>>34457800
I get it, especially with the whole antinatalism movement lately. However, a lot of victims of childhood trauma, especially those from a poor socio-economic background, are constantly stigmatized by people who idealize parenthood and broader society. You have to understand that those reactions are a trauma response to both the abuse and rejection. Rather than villainize them for that behavior, we should try to understand why they react the way they do. It's called having empathy towards others. I don't think anyone is inherently evil no matter how nihilistic or malignant they may seem, and portraying someone as a monster only further isolates them.

>>34457846
I never posed it as a rejection of the past. What I'm saying is that we should accept it for how it is (using neutral language) rather than impose morality onto it. I'd even argue that determining whether our past is objectively good or bad is an impossible task because there's no way we could ever view is holistically. We cannot recall every single positive and negative interaction, every instance of pleasure and pain. Our past in itself is only a few memories stitched together into a narrative. We must accept things for how they are, not how they felt to us. That's the only way we can move on our lives. I do believe in the power of humanity. I think life is too short to give up on experiences because of what we believe to be true in the moment. We can still learn from failure or pain without having to add labels, and having "survived" is not some sort of grand achievement. That's just a part of life.

Otherwise, I agree. Although, I haven't seen much criticism towards the game for including fatherhood as a theme. It could just be me though.

>>34457856
>Rather than villainize them for that behavior, we should try to understand why they react the way they do. It's called having empathy towards others.

I know why they do it, it's hatred plain and simple. You can try to understand the lion that has a thorn in its paw, it still wants to maul you even if you want to feed it empathy. Empathy does not work, and I can tell you that from first hand experience. It has never worked because the idea that you can 'save' people or help them or assist them with your empathy has a faulty premise: It implies the abuse survivor understands empathy. And they don't, because it was never instilled into them, they got the opposite. Which means when an outsider tries to give them that, they won't recognise it. Same as trying to show a blind person a colourful picture, they will see the lines and shapes but none of the color. When I was at my worst, do you know how I saw other people's empathy? I saw it as a threat, I regarded it as condescending false platitudes that precipitated a possible social or even physical threat. If someone was empathetic towards me I saw them as an enemy instantly on autopilot. They are not evil people inherently, but they practice evil, I practiced it too. The only thing that helps, truly helps, is to point at the vial of poison they carry and tell them "This is the reason why you're killing yourself. You speak poison, you drink it, you recreate it. You didn't cause your suffering but you are the one choosing it again and again."

That's what snaps them out of it. Because their obsession is control and if you tell them they have lost control they will want to reclaim it, even if that means letting go of control and letting go of the poison they keep drinking. Empathy does nothing to get them out of it, it only helps after they come to their senses but not before.

>>34457896
You're just giving up on them. Would you call your wife's affection empathy? I don't think you would ever dream of that. You're right in the sense that some (not all) victims may attempt to harm those who show them empathy or kindness. However, making the assumption that they can't "recognize" empathy is just plain incorrect. They do. Their circumstances prevented them from learning how to return affection, so they mimic behaviors they were exposed to by their abusers instead. I can speak firsthand from my own experiences. Before I found healing, I was desperate for salvation despite having constantly engaged in self-destructive behaviors. I honestly don't think I would've gotten out of that mindset if it weren't for my boyfriend, who refused to give up on me after all the pain I caused him. That's why I think it's so important for anyone with trauma to have a role model in their life. Someone who will embrace them regardless of how what they are or have done/said leading to that point and guide them towards healthier lifestyles require they take the initiative.

>>34457957
It's not giving up on them, it's telling them they have given up on themselves and they are too blind to see it. That's the double-bind of trauma and abuse and what modern psych calls 'personality disorders' or childhood cptsd. The abused child is powerless and seeks control over that which is uncontrollable. The child, having realized their body is too small and their parents' chaos too engulfing, retreats into its own mind. And what happens is that child dies inside, the child-self perishes. In it's place a new identity is formed, a personality formed to adapt to and withstand the pressures to survive, a malignant personality, more or less. And they take many forms, some go the borderline route, others the narcissist route, others the antisocial way, others go avoidant, some get funky and become schizoids. Mine was the antisocial route. In any case, each one of these post-innocence egos all different but they all share the same goal: Control. And the false ego will convince itself it's in control and always had been and always will be, but the truth is it's not and never was, because the individual didn't choose to have a broken spirit and a subsequent malignant personality, it chose the child. There was no control. Because the child gave up on itself first. That's why accepting that and realising the whole trauma cycle personality shenanigans was a betrayal to the child self, and when that's accepted, the inner child resurrects from the dead and can take control back by letting it go.

Yeah I agree though it's important to have support but it has to be the right kind. And it's a very specific and rare right kind. I was lucky to find my wife.

>>34457985
>>34457957
I should add for clarification, everyone path I suppose is different. If not being given up on was what eased your wounding, it means it's true. That's because everyone took a different wound to different parts of the psyche in different ways.

For me, being given up on was healing. I wanted people to give up on me, because my antisocial tendency was whenever the police showed up at the door, or social workers, or concerned 'empathic' people.. it was always a Trojan horse. It wasn't just empathy they carried, they had a dagger behind their back. The police would be all nice and reassuring, the goal was to take my father or brother away. Social workers? They were so sweet and nurturing. But in their notepads they devised ways to take my mother from me and send her to an asylum.
And every time, after they delivered their 'empathy' and took one of my family away for a time, they left a void. They did not return to close that void, there was no further visits, no check ups or follow ups. They just signed off on it and got their paychecks, which proved to me as a child at the time, that they didn't actually care as much as they tried to fool me into believing. And as a kid, that's why antisocial tendency was logical. If even societies 'protectors' and 'healers' can stab you in the back, who can you trust? That's what I told myself. I was a kid, didn't understand it.

>>34457985
I think we're just repeating each other while simultaneously adding explanations that we both agree with. We both identified ego death as a central point in the healing process, so I don't see why we should continue. There's nothing that I really disagree with in this response.

Honestly, I also feel extremely lucky to have met my boyfriend. We've even discussed marriage and living together, so I'm hoping our relationship leads to that someday. I do think he was the person that really kick started my ego death journey. I like to imagine that he we was assigned to me by the universe.

It was really nice talking to you, Anon. You're a good person and I hope you and your family stay safe.

>>34458040
I suppose we are lol. Ego death is what I chased too, I'm glad you also clocked on to that. I suppose it's just the inner revolution to dethrone the malignant ego and retire it and grow out of it. I'm happy you were able to do that, it's not an easy feat. The only hair I split on is I still keep the antisocial mask around. I don't wear it, not after it wore me against my senses. But it's in my mental back pocket, because it does have it's uses after all, it did help me fight for a better tomorrow. And if there's a day I need to call upon it again if anyone tries to harm those I love, I can slip it back on and do what's necessary in a kill or be killed situation self defense etc. And that's just because I'm a dude. That's our whole role after all.

>We've even discussed marriage and living together, so I'm hoping our relationship leads to that someday.
That's sweet, I am certain it will anon. You don't need to hope, you and him simply need to choose that outcome and it will be so.

>I like to imagine that he we was assigned to me by the universe.
Well I'm a god-abiding man now these days. So I think you are correct, because what the man and woman do for each other, it's to help each other get to heaven. He helps you, you help him. That's how it's understood in religion anyway.

>It was really nice talking to you, Anon. You're a good person and I hope you and your family stay safe.
Thanks, and I am trying to be good so I appreciate that. I wish you and your boyfriend the best too and I am rooting for you, have a blessed future

>>34456753
the whole concept is uncomfortable to me, I see it as a marketing move, because my first exposure to the game was opening my steam to check the store see what's new today, and then the store opened, and first thing I saw is a little blond girl that looks kinda hot but also way too young in a giant banner. And then I clicked it, read the description quickly, saw a couple pics and understood - It's death stranding while tugging on your heartstrings. not with a baby, but with a lolita.
naaahhhhhhhhhhhhhh no thank you. Not only do they use a lolita, they are tugging on your heart strings with this whole human relationship bullshit.
if you play video games, you don't need parental relationships on display. you're most likely in a stage of your life when you don't think about having kids. the retards on twitter and online are the loud minority who are like zooooooomgg its sooooooo whoole sommeee okogmgomgomogmgom i want to have kids now zoomgggg!!!!!
like shuuuuuuuuuuuut the fuck up biiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiitch
shuuuut the fuck up
that's so fucking gay
kill yourself

normal people don't care about this slop, this is for the same subhumans who thought "Dear Esther" the walking simulator was an amazing game - boring, cucked, employed middle aged plus males who still play video games and 'provide'. no thank you.

>>34456758
>I've had this worry about having a daughter
>>34456778
>It is not even that bad of a scenario. What if she became addicted to drugs and sold herself to support her habit?

These sorts of things do not happen at random. When you have a child, you are what you teach. If a child watches mom and dad fight, the kid knows it's okay to fight with their future partner. If the child never had a father who told them that they loved them and were proud of them, and showed that to them through bonding, the child will not respect themselves and they will instead believe anyone who comes along and says the words father never did. And if a daughter had no love from father she will believe any man who says the three words she never heard. Even if that man has plans to harm her or exploit her, she will believe it. And because she wasn't shown what self respect looks like, she won't know how to have that herself, she will allow her mind and body to go through whatever degradation is possible just for those three words "I love you."

You won't need to worry about your would-be daughters enduring that fate so long as you make a vow to love them and mean it, not just with words but actions, taking them to parks, involving yourself in their interests, giving them a place to feel safe and a shoulder to cry on. Sitting with her through her cheesy movies and eating ice cream together. And also loving and cherishing your wife, showing the daughter how a man should treat a woman: With kindness, care, and tender leadership. Then the daughter will have the blueprint on how those words "I love you" should look like. She will know those words need to mean something. And if someone tells her those words with no meaning, just emptiness and a sinister ulterior motive behind it, she won't fall for it.

I'm 28 and white and since I was 25 my dad has been constantly pestering me to get a girlfriend and to fuck a prostitute. I like anime/manga and japanese games and he started saying I should get an asian girlfriend.

He is paying the remaining mortgage off the house and will sign it over to me eventually.

I live in the Republic of Ireland and I looked into rights fathers have and it turns out only mothers are legally the guardian and parent of the child in the Republic of Ireland. Fathers can only gey legal guardianship over their kids if they marry the mother or live with her for 12 months. Also, if a man owns a house and his girlfriend lives with him for 5 years (or 2 years if they have kids), she can legally take the house.

This pretty much solidified why I will never have kids or date/get married

>>34456753
yes there are good fathers and good men. yes there are bad fathers and bad men. if bad things happen it does not mean good thing do not exist. getting older i want a family and regret not pursuing those opportunities. some men become good because of fatherhood just as some father become bad while others stay the same.
do your best.

>>34456753
You're posting on an anonymous board for advice on how to handle purely hypothetical consequences of purely hypothetical circumstances. What the fuck is the point of this thread? "Hey guys, I've heard that there can be good consequences from pursuing certain things, but is it sometimes bad too?"

You don't have real problems.